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Somogy Megye Holocaust Martyrs #hungary

stephen@...
 

On the Hungarian Cultural Heritage Portal (Hungaricana) you will find a
digital copy of a book by Ferenc Szili, published in 1993, which lists
the military, civil and Jewish martyrs >from Somogy megye (county). The
link below will take you to Page 182, the start of the list of names.
The names are listed according locality Pages 182 - 529. The heading
identifies the following information:

Name
Birth year
Birthplace
Mother's name
Military unit
Rank
Date of death
Cause of death - Hero/Disappeared/Deported
Jewish

The list identifies 3,539 Jews. Statistical analysis starts on Page 531

http://library.hungaricana.hu/en/view/SOMM_sk_somogy_2vilaghab/?pg=181&layout=s

Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia


Hungary SIG #Hungary Somogy Megye Holocaust Martyrs #hungary

stephen@...
 

On the Hungarian Cultural Heritage Portal (Hungaricana) you will find a
digital copy of a book by Ferenc Szili, published in 1993, which lists
the military, civil and Jewish martyrs >from Somogy megye (county). The
link below will take you to Page 182, the start of the list of names.
The names are listed according locality Pages 182 - 529. The heading
identifies the following information:

Name
Birth year
Birthplace
Mother's name
Military unit
Rank
Date of death
Cause of death - Hero/Disappeared/Deported
Jewish

The list identifies 3,539 Jews. Statistical analysis starts on Page 531

http://library.hungaricana.hu/en/view/SOMM_sk_somogy_2vilaghab/?pg=181&layout=s

Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia


More about Meiske Segal #lithuania

Linda Kelley
 

A Holocaust survivor, Meiske Segal, is >from Marijampole, Lithuania. He
is looking for living relatives in Canada, but he doesn't have
specific information...

One of the relatives was also a Holocaust survivor named Diode____,
who is about 77 now.
Diode hoped to live in Israel, but probably lives in Canada. As
recently as 1985, Diode lived in Vilnius. Does this sound familiar to
anyone?

Thank you!
Linda Wolfe Kelley


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Fwd: More about Meiske Segal #lithuania

Linda Kelley
 

A Holocaust survivor, Meiske Segal, is >from Marijampole, Lithuania. He
is looking for living relatives in Canada, but he doesn't have
specific information...

One of the relatives was also a Holocaust survivor named Diode____,
who is about 77 now.
Diode hoped to live in Israel, but probably lives in Canada. As
recently as 1985, Diode lived in Vilnius. Does this sound familiar to
anyone?

Thank you!
Linda Wolfe Kelley


She died in a fire in NYC #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

Hi fellow Genners -
I'm trying to help a friend find her paternal grandmother. She knows that her
first name was Rose and her married last name was MORGANSTERN. The family story
is that while she was cooking a meal for the Jewish holidays, her apron caught
fire. She suffered severe burns and was taken to the hospital (probably
Bellevue) where she died. This occurred most likely on the Lower East Side.

The time period is sometime before 1943. I'm guessing 1930 - 1943. I've looked
in Ancestry, Familysearch, and Jewishgen. I've tried to find her name in death
records and some newspapers. Does anyone have any ideas about what else I can
do next?

Please contact me directly.
Thank you.

Shelley Mitchell


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen She died in a fire in NYC #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

Hi fellow Genners -
I'm trying to help a friend find her paternal grandmother. She knows that her
first name was Rose and her married last name was MORGANSTERN. The family story
is that while she was cooking a meal for the Jewish holidays, her apron caught
fire. She suffered severe burns and was taken to the hospital (probably
Bellevue) where she died. This occurred most likely on the Lower East Side.

The time period is sometime before 1943. I'm guessing 1930 - 1943. I've looked
in Ancestry, Familysearch, and Jewishgen. I've tried to find her name in death
records and some newspapers. Does anyone have any ideas about what else I can
do next?

Please contact me directly.
Thank you.

Shelley Mitchell


Information for Najzdinka LICHTENBERG-FINKELSTEIN #general

Rashi Rosenzweig
 

Dear Genners:

Najzdinka LICHTENBERG-FINKELSTEIN was my great aunt (my paternal
grandmother's younger sister). Born in Odessa to a wealthy family,
she became one of the most profound and well-respected pianists in the
Soviet Union with a PhD in piano and music theory. I believe that she
lectured at the Music Conservatory at the University of Moscow. She
resided both in Moscow and at our family's home in Baku, Azerbaijan.

Neither my father nor I ever met her as she lived and died in the
Soviet Union and never visited the States. She was in touch with our
family in England and I remember during the years of the Iron Curtain,
my great aunt Rose placed a phone call to her in the mid 1970s. My
Dad described it as one of the most dramatic things he had ever
witnessed nor did he ever see his aunt Rose ever react that way before
in his life, as neither sister saw or spoke with one another for over
5 decades at least.

Is there any way I can research her with the information that I have?
Any ideas people?

Thank you all very much and I hope to hear >from somebody soon.

Kind regards,

Rashi Rosenzweig
Ra'anana, ISRAEL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Information for Najzdinka LICHTENBERG-FINKELSTEIN #general

Rashi Rosenzweig
 

Dear Genners:

Najzdinka LICHTENBERG-FINKELSTEIN was my great aunt (my paternal
grandmother's younger sister). Born in Odessa to a wealthy family,
she became one of the most profound and well-respected pianists in the
Soviet Union with a PhD in piano and music theory. I believe that she
lectured at the Music Conservatory at the University of Moscow. She
resided both in Moscow and at our family's home in Baku, Azerbaijan.

Neither my father nor I ever met her as she lived and died in the
Soviet Union and never visited the States. She was in touch with our
family in England and I remember during the years of the Iron Curtain,
my great aunt Rose placed a phone call to her in the mid 1970s. My
Dad described it as one of the most dramatic things he had ever
witnessed nor did he ever see his aunt Rose ever react that way before
in his life, as neither sister saw or spoke with one another for over
5 decades at least.

Is there any way I can research her with the information that I have?
Any ideas people?

Thank you all very much and I hope to hear >from somebody soon.

Kind regards,

Rashi Rosenzweig
Ra'anana, ISRAEL


Re: Search baby from Miskolcz killed in 1944 #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Yad Vashem and other archives have a list of names of 10,775 Jews deported to
the Miskolc ghetto. Very likely that the child is listed with her parents. You
can also search Yad Vashem Central Archives on-line.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
JewishGen Hungarian SIG Coordinator

On Jul 11, 2016, at 11:04 PM, <davidnead@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for the name of the baby, who lived in the town Miskolcz, and
killed about age 2 in 1944.

Is it practical?

Is there a way to get birth records dating back to 1942? There were those
records? They survived? They are protected by privacy?
Is there could be other records (census registration Holocaust victims) of
these years - include babies?

Of course I know her parents' names and other details about the family. I
just do not know her name - I know it was there and was killed.

It has a chance?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Search baby from Miskolcz killed in 1944 #general

Vivian Kahn
 

Yad Vashem and other archives have a list of names of 10,775 Jews deported to
the Miskolc ghetto. Very likely that the child is listed with her parents. You
can also search Yad Vashem Central Archives on-line.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
JewishGen Hungarian SIG Coordinator

On Jul 11, 2016, at 11:04 PM, <davidnead@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for the name of the baby, who lived in the town Miskolcz, and
killed about age 2 in 1944.

Is it practical?

Is there a way to get birth records dating back to 1942? There were those
records? They survived? They are protected by privacy?
Is there could be other records (census registration Holocaust victims) of
these years - include babies?

Of course I know her parents' names and other details about the family. I
just do not know her name - I know it was there and was killed.

It has a chance?


Re: Train travel Lodz-Vilne 1920 #general

Stanley Grossman
 

Paula Baker's interest in the above journey made me first think of the
recent UK TV series of European train journeys taken by former politician
Michael Portillo, using the old George Bradshaw train schedules. I don't
know if that helps but there is also a series of guides by William Harman
Black, (The real Europe pocket guide-book (number 10 of the "Black's blue
books") with 23 simple outline maps of the 33 new countries, and elaborate
index, by William Harman Black 1920).
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007685715
The Universities of California and Minnesota may have copies.

Stanley Grossman. Glasgow, Scotland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Train travel Lodz-Vilne 1920 #general

Stanley Grossman
 

Paula Baker's interest in the above journey made me first think of the
recent UK TV series of European train journeys taken by former politician
Michael Portillo, using the old George Bradshaw train schedules. I don't
know if that helps but there is also a series of guides by William Harman
Black, (The real Europe pocket guide-book (number 10 of the "Black's blue
books") with 23 simple outline maps of the 33 new countries, and elaborate
index, by William Harman Black 1920).
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007685715
The Universities of California and Minnesota may have copies.

Stanley Grossman. Glasgow, Scotland


Re: She died in a fire in NYC #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Shelley Mitchell
...She knows that her first name was Rose and her married last name was
MORGANSTERN. The family story is that while she was cooking a meal for the
Jewish holidays, her apron caught fire. She suffered severe burns and was
taken to the hospital (probably Bellevue) where she died. This occurred most
likely on the Lower East Side.

The time period is sometime before 1943. I'm guessing 1930 - 1943...
Not trying to single anyone out ... but this is a good example of problem
solving and how to make the search a little easier.

Do you know her approximate birth date? Do you know her husband's name?

Use the facts you know and start with the most basic of searches which is the
US Census. Is she in the 1930 Census? What does that tell you about her, ie
address, age, etc.

Is she in the 1940 Census? Can you find her husband in the 1940 Census? In he
is at the same address it is likely you have the address for where this might
have happened. Of course if she is in the 1940 Census that changes you date
window. Always use basic searches to narrow you date window -- or as I say
put a ring around your dates and try to close the range as much as possible.

You might get lucky and search the NY Times -- which is entirely digital --
and find her death notice or because of the odd circumstances even a news story.

Do you know when the husband died and more importantly where he was buried? He
might he buried next to the wife.

Also try using the Morse One Step tool which is the most basic for NYC vital
records. It has the NYC Death Index and I did a quick search on Rose and sounds
line Morganstern in case the spelling was off. (You could also put wild cards
in for all the vowels when you search.) I assumed she was anywhere between age
20 and 100. That search along gave me three possibilities and over 100 total
names.

These steps alone should make this type of searching much easier. There's more
but I wanted to keep this basic on how to tackle this type of search. It is
likely because of the circumstances there could be a medical examiner's
investigation for example but I would reserve that for a later date once the
basics on the death have been established.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: She died in a fire in NYC #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Shelley Mitchell
...She knows that her first name was Rose and her married last name was
MORGANSTERN. The family story is that while she was cooking a meal for the
Jewish holidays, her apron caught fire. She suffered severe burns and was
taken to the hospital (probably Bellevue) where she died. This occurred most
likely on the Lower East Side.

The time period is sometime before 1943. I'm guessing 1930 - 1943...
Not trying to single anyone out ... but this is a good example of problem
solving and how to make the search a little easier.

Do you know her approximate birth date? Do you know her husband's name?

Use the facts you know and start with the most basic of searches which is the
US Census. Is she in the 1930 Census? What does that tell you about her, ie
address, age, etc.

Is she in the 1940 Census? Can you find her husband in the 1940 Census? In he
is at the same address it is likely you have the address for where this might
have happened. Of course if she is in the 1940 Census that changes you date
window. Always use basic searches to narrow you date window -- or as I say
put a ring around your dates and try to close the range as much as possible.

You might get lucky and search the NY Times -- which is entirely digital --
and find her death notice or because of the odd circumstances even a news story.

Do you know when the husband died and more importantly where he was buried? He
might he buried next to the wife.

Also try using the Morse One Step tool which is the most basic for NYC vital
records. It has the NYC Death Index and I did a quick search on Rose and sounds
line Morganstern in case the spelling was off. (You could also put wild cards
in for all the vowels when you search.) I assumed she was anywhere between age
20 and 100. That search along gave me three possibilities and over 100 total
names.

These steps alone should make this type of searching much easier. There's more
but I wanted to keep this basic on how to tackle this type of search. It is
likely because of the circumstances there could be a medical examiner's
investigation for example but I would reserve that for a later date once the
basics on the death have been established.

Allan Jordan


Re: She died in a fire in NYC #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

Thank you for trying to help. I'll give you the steps I've taken and what I've
learned. Maybe that will help someone else.

The only information I have is that Rose was married to Mr. Morganstern and
they had a son named Louis. Little is known about Louis's parents. Our Louis
Morganstern married Pearl Waltzer (b. 1920). I don't know the year but since
their first born (named after Rose) was born in 1945, I concluded that Rose
died before 1944. Neither of Louis's parents were around when he married.
Louis and Pearl met on the Lower East Side where Louis was working. Our
Louis's second born's name begins with a J. I concluded he was named after
Rose's husband.

Our Louis was originally buried at King Solomon in New Jersey but was
reinterred by his widow at Eternal Light in Boynton Beach about 15 years ago
when she moved to Florida. He's in their Mausoleum, as is his widow. I checked
Findagrave and found no information on Louis or his mother Rose. I checked
Ancestry for an obituary but no article appeared. I would have thought that
her story would have hit some periodical since I saw similar articles in
obituaries on Ancestry.

I found 2 censuses for a Joseph and Rose Morgenstern who had a son named Louis.
In 1930, this Louis was 18 (b. 1912) and in 1940 (age 28) he was out of the
house. So these Morgensterns were alive in 1940. Our Louis and Pearl had their
first child in 1945 so Louis would have married by 1944. But I can't find
Louis's marriage record either. For that I checked both Ancestry and
Familysearch. I don't know when Rose died but if she died, per choice c, she
might have been a widow at the time of death. My best guess is that she was
taken to Bellevue. That's where most Lower East Side Jews went for births and
deaths. Our Louis was a Kohanim.

Thanks for trying to help.

Shelley Mitchell

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@comcast.net> wrote:

Shelley asked for direct responses, but her query may be of help to others.

In order for us to help, you have to provide more detail for us.
Can you supply:
1. Her age at time of death?
2. Place of birth?
3. Marital status?
3. Any other details such as parents’ or spouse’s names?

The above info helps us narrow the field and eliminate candidates...
On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Shelley Mitchell shelley.mitchell@att.net wrote:
“ grandmother. …… her first name was Rose and her married name was
MORGANSTERN. The family story is that while she was cooking a meal for the
Jewish holidays, her apron caught fire.
She suffered severe burns and was taken to the hospital (probably Bellevue)
where she died.
This occurred most likely on the Lower East Side.

Time period - sometime before 1943. I'm guessing 1930 - 1943.

I've looked in Ancestry, Familysearch, and Jewishgen.
I've tried to find her name in death records and some newspapers.
Does anyone have any ideas about what else I can do next?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: She died in a fire in NYC #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

Thank you for trying to help. I'll give you the steps I've taken and what I've
learned. Maybe that will help someone else.

The only information I have is that Rose was married to Mr. Morganstern and
they had a son named Louis. Little is known about Louis's parents. Our Louis
Morganstern married Pearl Waltzer (b. 1920). I don't know the year but since
their first born (named after Rose) was born in 1945, I concluded that Rose
died before 1944. Neither of Louis's parents were around when he married.
Louis and Pearl met on the Lower East Side where Louis was working. Our
Louis's second born's name begins with a J. I concluded he was named after
Rose's husband.

Our Louis was originally buried at King Solomon in New Jersey but was
reinterred by his widow at Eternal Light in Boynton Beach about 15 years ago
when she moved to Florida. He's in their Mausoleum, as is his widow. I checked
Findagrave and found no information on Louis or his mother Rose. I checked
Ancestry for an obituary but no article appeared. I would have thought that
her story would have hit some periodical since I saw similar articles in
obituaries on Ancestry.

I found 2 censuses for a Joseph and Rose Morgenstern who had a son named Louis.
In 1930, this Louis was 18 (b. 1912) and in 1940 (age 28) he was out of the
house. So these Morgensterns were alive in 1940. Our Louis and Pearl had their
first child in 1945 so Louis would have married by 1944. But I can't find
Louis's marriage record either. For that I checked both Ancestry and
Familysearch. I don't know when Rose died but if she died, per choice c, she
might have been a widow at the time of death. My best guess is that she was
taken to Bellevue. That's where most Lower East Side Jews went for births and
deaths. Our Louis was a Kohanim.

Thanks for trying to help.

Shelley Mitchell

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@comcast.net> wrote:

Shelley asked for direct responses, but her query may be of help to others.

In order for us to help, you have to provide more detail for us.
Can you supply:
1. Her age at time of death?
2. Place of birth?
3. Marital status?
3. Any other details such as parents’ or spouse’s names?

The above info helps us narrow the field and eliminate candidates...
On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Shelley Mitchell shelley.mitchell@att.net wrote:
“ grandmother. …… her first name was Rose and her married name was
MORGANSTERN. The family story is that while she was cooking a meal for the
Jewish holidays, her apron caught fire.
She suffered severe burns and was taken to the hospital (probably Bellevue)
where she died.
This occurred most likely on the Lower East Side.

Time period - sometime before 1943. I'm guessing 1930 - 1943.

I've looked in Ancestry, Familysearch, and Jewishgen.
I've tried to find her name in death records and some newspapers.
Does anyone have any ideas about what else I can do next?


Re: Russian West Point and Medals?? #general

Ann Rabinowitz
 

I believe that 1917 was the first opportunity that Jews had to become officers
in the Russian military and many rose to the rank of General after that. It was
also the first time that they were allowed entrance into the military academies.

Given that information, perhaps the ancestor mentioned who was a scribe was
working in the military academy and not attending the academy.

Ann Rabinowitz
arabinow@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Russian West Point and Medals?? #general

Ann Rabinowitz
 

I believe that 1917 was the first opportunity that Jews had to become officers
in the Russian military and many rose to the rank of General after that. It was
also the first time that they were allowed entrance into the military academies.

Given that information, perhaps the ancestor mentioned who was a scribe was
working in the military academy and not attending the academy.

Ann Rabinowitz
arabinow@bellsouth.net


Re: Train travel Lodz-Vilne 1920 #general

Judith Singer
 

Hi - I don't know any specific sources to suggest, but wanted to warn
you that schedules might well be irrelevant for this period. This was
during a period of armed conflict between the Reds, Whites and others
for leadership of Russia, between Russia and Poland regarding an
independent Poland and its borders, and between Poland and Lithuania
for control of Vilna and Suwalki provinces. A fictionalized memoir I
just read describeid the trains as running hours behind schedule when
they ran and that sections of track and bridges were sometimes
destroyed by warring factions.

Probably your best bet is to find a memoir by someone who lived in
that area at that time and see if train travel is mentioned.

Judith Singer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Train travel Lodz-Vilne 1920 #general

Judith Singer
 

Hi - I don't know any specific sources to suggest, but wanted to warn
you that schedules might well be irrelevant for this period. This was
during a period of armed conflict between the Reds, Whites and others
for leadership of Russia, between Russia and Poland regarding an
independent Poland and its borders, and between Poland and Lithuania
for control of Vilna and Suwalki provinces. A fictionalized memoir I
just read describeid the trains as running hours behind schedule when
they ran and that sections of track and bridges were sometimes
destroyed by warring factions.

Probably your best bet is to find a memoir by someone who lived in
that area at that time and see if train travel is mentioned.

Judith Singer

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