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Re: WISOTSKY #unitedkingdom

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Roberta,

Wisotsky is quite an interesting name. Only nine occurrences in
FreeBMD >from 1912 to 1950. Plus a couple of Wisotzkys thrown in for
good measure.

I'm sure you must have worked out where all these fit in.

Jeremy

--
Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England
now Folsom, California, USA

Searching for:
FRANKEL/FRENKEL/FRENKIEL: Gombin, Plock, Poland; London, England
GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland; London, England
KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania; London, England; NY, USA
LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland; London, England
PINKUS, Poland; London, England
PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland; London, England; NY, USA


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom re: WISOTSKY #unitedkingdom

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Roberta,

Wisotsky is quite an interesting name. Only nine occurrences in
FreeBMD >from 1912 to 1950. Plus a couple of Wisotzkys thrown in for
good measure.

I'm sure you must have worked out where all these fit in.

Jeremy

--
Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England
now Folsom, California, USA

Searching for:
FRANKEL/FRENKEL/FRENKIEL: Gombin, Plock, Poland; London, England
GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland; London, England
KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania; London, England; NY, USA
LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland; London, England
PINKUS, Poland; London, England
PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland; London, England; NY, USA


Seeking Information on Rabbi Amram b. Yitzchak Yakov BLUM #hungary

Aaron Slotnik
 

Hello,

In the course of researching my BLUM family >from Gebe, Hungary (present day
Nyirkata), I'm seeking to clarify the locations associated with Rabbi Amram b.
Yitzchak Yakov BLUM (1834 - 1907), his siblings and ancestors. I'm hoping that
some of the readers of this posting to Rav-SIG, H-SIG, Rom-SIG and JewishGen (
please forgive the cross-posting) will be able to assist.


The published sources that I've been able to consult--Magyar Zsido Lexicon, as well
as various online family trees--have Rabbi Amram's place of birth as Samson,
Hungary (present day Hajdusamson). His father Yitzchak Yakov is also referred to as
the 'Shamshon Rav' and the Pinkas Hakehillot entry for Hajdusamson
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/pinkas_hungary/hun270.html states that he was a
Rabbi there but doesn't provide specifics. The Zsido Mult website (http://hajdu.zsidomult.hu/index.php/elveszett-koezoessegek/koezponti-jaras/hajdusamson) states that he served there until his death in 1851, but since I don't know Hungarian it's unclear to me when he started; however, the information at this website (http://www.virtualjudaica.com/Item/19407/Responsa_Maharaf) about Rabbi Aharon FRIED states that he served as the rabbi of Hajdusamson >from 1844 - 1860. There is a Karoly Fried listed in Samson in the 1848 Census, but no details fit other than his birth year.


The research that I've been able to conduct in the primary sources indexed in the
JewishGen Hungary database state that Rabbi Amram (secular name Abraham), his brother
Rabbi Moshe (Moricz) and sister Hava (Eva) were all born in Nagykaroly (present day
Carei, Romania)--see the 1869 Hungarian Census entry for Mad, Hungary. Additionally, the Encyclopedia Judaica entry for Amram states that "He studied under his father, who was head of the bet din in Nagykaroly, and later in the seminaries of Nagykaroly [under Rabbi Meir Perles], and of Abraham Samuel Benjamin Sofer, rabbi of Pressburg."


I'm new to rabbinic genealogy, but I'm surprised that there isn't more information readily available about Amram's father if he indeed was ABD of Nagykaroly which was an important town at that time and one of the oldest Jewish communities in Hungary / Transylvania. In addition to the 1869 Census entry, I believe I can substantiate that the family was in Nagykaroly starting in at least the 1820s as I found an entry for Yitzchak Yakov's father Levi BLUM in the 1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census.


According to Yitzchak Yakov's family tree on Geni, his first marriage was to a STERNBERG who I believe was Rabbi Bernard (Dov Ber) STERNBERG's daughter and whose other daughter married Rabbi Shimon SOFER (son of Chatam Sofer). His second marriage was to Miriam ROSENBAUM, daughter of Rabbi Amram Chassida ROSENBAUM. My limited understanding of rabbinical marriages leads me to believe that Yitzchak Yakov must have been a fairly well-known and respected rabbi in his time to have merited matches with other prominent families, and would align with him being ABD Nagykaroly.


Other than the Encyclopedia Judaica entry though, I can find no other mention of Yitzchak Yakov as a rabbi in Nagykaroly. According to the timeline I've been able to piece together >from various sources, Rabbi Moshe Aryeh b. Mayer Yehuda OSTREICHER served >from 1774 to his death in 1820, followed by Rabbi Isaac b. Asher Uri Lippmann FRANKEL >from 1820 to his death in 1834, followed by Rabbi Meir b. Isaac Moses PERLES >from 1834 to his death in 1893. However, the book "Wine and Thorns in the Tokay Valley..." states that Rabbi FRANKEL died on October 10, 1825 which I would tend to believe since it appears to be well-sourced. That discrepancy could align with Rabbi BLUM serving at that time, or perhaps others were considered the chief rabbi while he was ABD?


So, the association with Nagykaroly seems to be well established. What I'm trying to clarify is the association with Hajdusamson, particularly in the late 1700s and early 1800s. The later association (i.e. after 1850) seems to be more clear, either with Yitzchak Yakov dying there and/or Amram serving there in his early career. Amram's son-in-law Rabbi Yosef Zvi SOFER served there as did his son-in-law Rabbi Gavriel (Gabor) ILLIOVICS.


The key seems to be finding more information about Yitzhak Yakov and his father Levi / Lebi. I wonder whether his father was a rabbi, or if not clearly was wealthy enough to have owned property in Nagykaroly. I'm hoping that some subscribers will have access to other sources (e.g. Hakhme Hungaryah and Hakhme Transilvanyah by Yitshak Yosef Kohen, Toledot Geonei Hagar and Shem ha-Gedolim me-Erets Hagar by Schwartz, or Rabbi Blum's own works) that may have more information on them.


I speculate, but hope to more definitively establish, that Yitzchak Yakov was born in Hajdusamson and possibly his father Levi as well. Unfortunately, I've been unable to locate them in the 1848 Hungarian Jewish Census records that have been indexed in the JewishGen Hungary database which could have provided the birthplace. Although there are no fixed surnames, there are likely candidates in the early 1770 census indexes due to the given names and frequency of those names in later BLUM family records.


My apologies for the long note, but I tried to make it as succinct as possible while including all the information I've found.


Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL


WOROSHILSKY - Bialystok area, Poland
GOLDBERG, KATZ - Dabrowa Bialostocka, Poland
ZLOTNIK, RZEZNIK - Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki, Zakroczym, and Nasielsk, Poland
SCHAPIRA - Jagielnica and Horodenka, Ukraine
BLUMENTHAL, KANTOR - Borshchiv, Husiatyn and Horodenka, Ukraine
BLUM, KATZ, MARTON, LIEBERMANN, ELKOVITS, VAISZ, SAMUEL - Salaj, Satu Mare, and Maramures Counties, Romania Hello,

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Hungary SIG #Hungary Seeking Information on Rabbi Amram b. Yitzchak Yakov BLUM #hungary

Aaron Slotnik
 

Hello,

In the course of researching my BLUM family >from Gebe, Hungary (present day
Nyirkata), I'm seeking to clarify the locations associated with Rabbi Amram b.
Yitzchak Yakov BLUM (1834 - 1907), his siblings and ancestors. I'm hoping that
some of the readers of this posting to Rav-SIG, H-SIG, Rom-SIG and JewishGen (
please forgive the cross-posting) will be able to assist.


The published sources that I've been able to consult--Magyar Zsido Lexicon, as well
as various online family trees--have Rabbi Amram's place of birth as Samson,
Hungary (present day Hajdusamson). His father Yitzchak Yakov is also referred to as
the 'Shamshon Rav' and the Pinkas Hakehillot entry for Hajdusamson
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/pinkas_hungary/hun270.html states that he was a
Rabbi there but doesn't provide specifics. The Zsido Mult website (http://hajdu.zsidomult.hu/index.php/elveszett-koezoessegek/koezponti-jaras/hajdusamson) states that he served there until his death in 1851, but since I don't know Hungarian it's unclear to me when he started; however, the information at this website (http://www.virtualjudaica.com/Item/19407/Responsa_Maharaf) about Rabbi Aharon FRIED states that he served as the rabbi of Hajdusamson >from 1844 - 1860. There is a Karoly Fried listed in Samson in the 1848 Census, but no details fit other than his birth year.


The research that I've been able to conduct in the primary sources indexed in the
JewishGen Hungary database state that Rabbi Amram (secular name Abraham), his brother
Rabbi Moshe (Moricz) and sister Hava (Eva) were all born in Nagykaroly (present day
Carei, Romania)--see the 1869 Hungarian Census entry for Mad, Hungary. Additionally, the Encyclopedia Judaica entry for Amram states that "He studied under his father, who was head of the bet din in Nagykaroly, and later in the seminaries of Nagykaroly [under Rabbi Meir Perles], and of Abraham Samuel Benjamin Sofer, rabbi of Pressburg."


I'm new to rabbinic genealogy, but I'm surprised that there isn't more information readily available about Amram's father if he indeed was ABD of Nagykaroly which was an important town at that time and one of the oldest Jewish communities in Hungary / Transylvania. In addition to the 1869 Census entry, I believe I can substantiate that the family was in Nagykaroly starting in at least the 1820s as I found an entry for Yitzchak Yakov's father Levi BLUM in the 1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census.


According to Yitzchak Yakov's family tree on Geni, his first marriage was to a STERNBERG who I believe was Rabbi Bernard (Dov Ber) STERNBERG's daughter and whose other daughter married Rabbi Shimon SOFER (son of Chatam Sofer). His second marriage was to Miriam ROSENBAUM, daughter of Rabbi Amram Chassida ROSENBAUM. My limited understanding of rabbinical marriages leads me to believe that Yitzchak Yakov must have been a fairly well-known and respected rabbi in his time to have merited matches with other prominent families, and would align with him being ABD Nagykaroly.


Other than the Encyclopedia Judaica entry though, I can find no other mention of Yitzchak Yakov as a rabbi in Nagykaroly. According to the timeline I've been able to piece together >from various sources, Rabbi Moshe Aryeh b. Mayer Yehuda OSTREICHER served >from 1774 to his death in 1820, followed by Rabbi Isaac b. Asher Uri Lippmann FRANKEL >from 1820 to his death in 1834, followed by Rabbi Meir b. Isaac Moses PERLES >from 1834 to his death in 1893. However, the book "Wine and Thorns in the Tokay Valley..." states that Rabbi FRANKEL died on October 10, 1825 which I would tend to believe since it appears to be well-sourced. That discrepancy could align with Rabbi BLUM serving at that time, or perhaps others were considered the chief rabbi while he was ABD?


So, the association with Nagykaroly seems to be well established. What I'm trying to clarify is the association with Hajdusamson, particularly in the late 1700s and early 1800s. The later association (i.e. after 1850) seems to be more clear, either with Yitzchak Yakov dying there and/or Amram serving there in his early career. Amram's son-in-law Rabbi Yosef Zvi SOFER served there as did his son-in-law Rabbi Gavriel (Gabor) ILLIOVICS.


The key seems to be finding more information about Yitzhak Yakov and his father Levi / Lebi. I wonder whether his father was a rabbi, or if not clearly was wealthy enough to have owned property in Nagykaroly. I'm hoping that some subscribers will have access to other sources (e.g. Hakhme Hungaryah and Hakhme Transilvanyah by Yitshak Yosef Kohen, Toledot Geonei Hagar and Shem ha-Gedolim me-Erets Hagar by Schwartz, or Rabbi Blum's own works) that may have more information on them.


I speculate, but hope to more definitively establish, that Yitzchak Yakov was born in Hajdusamson and possibly his father Levi as well. Unfortunately, I've been unable to locate them in the 1848 Hungarian Jewish Census records that have been indexed in the JewishGen Hungary database which could have provided the birthplace. Although there are no fixed surnames, there are likely candidates in the early 1770 census indexes due to the given names and frequency of those names in later BLUM family records.


My apologies for the long note, but I tried to make it as succinct as possible while including all the information I've found.


Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL


WOROSHILSKY - Bialystok area, Poland
GOLDBERG, KATZ - Dabrowa Bialostocka, Poland
ZLOTNIK, RZEZNIK - Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki, Zakroczym, and Nasielsk, Poland
SCHAPIRA - Jagielnica and Horodenka, Ukraine
BLUMENTHAL, KANTOR - Borshchiv, Husiatyn and Horodenka, Ukraine
BLUM, KATZ, MARTON, LIEBERMANN, ELKOVITS, VAISZ, SAMUEL - Salaj, Satu Mare, and Maramures Counties, Romania Hello,

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Search baby from Miskolcz killed in 1944 #hungary

דוד נ.א.
 

Hello
I'm looking for the name of the baby, who lived in the town Miskolcz,
and killed about age 2 in 1944.
Is it practical?
Is there a way to get birth records dating back to 1942? There were
those records? They survived? They are protected by privacy?
Is there could be other records (census registration Holocaust
victims) of these years - include babies?
Of course I know her parents' names and other details about the
family. I just do not know her name - I know it was there and was
killed.
It has a chance?
Many thanks in advance
David Nesher
Israel

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Hungary SIG #Hungary Search baby from Miskolcz killed in 1944 #hungary

דוד נ.א.
 

Hello
I'm looking for the name of the baby, who lived in the town Miskolcz,
and killed about age 2 in 1944.
Is it practical?
Is there a way to get birth records dating back to 1942? There were
those records? They survived? They are protected by privacy?
Is there could be other records (census registration Holocaust
victims) of these years - include babies?
Of course I know her parents' names and other details about the
family. I just do not know her name - I know it was there and was
killed.
It has a chance?
Many thanks in advance
David Nesher
Israel

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Somogy Megye Holocaust Martyrs #hungary

stephen@...
 

On the Hungarian Cultural Heritage Portal (Hungaricana) you will find a
digital copy of a book by Ferenc Szili, published in 1993, which lists
the military, civil and Jewish martyrs >from Somogy megye (county). The
link below will take you to Page 182, the start of the list of names.
The names are listed according locality Pages 182 - 529. The heading
identifies the following information:

Name
Birth year
Birthplace
Mother's name
Military unit
Rank
Date of death
Cause of death - Hero/Disappeared/Deported
Jewish

The list identifies 3,539 Jews. Statistical analysis starts on Page 531

http://library.hungaricana.hu/en/view/SOMM_sk_somogy_2vilaghab/?pg=181&layout=s

Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia


Hungary SIG #Hungary Somogy Megye Holocaust Martyrs #hungary

stephen@...
 

On the Hungarian Cultural Heritage Portal (Hungaricana) you will find a
digital copy of a book by Ferenc Szili, published in 1993, which lists
the military, civil and Jewish martyrs >from Somogy megye (county). The
link below will take you to Page 182, the start of the list of names.
The names are listed according locality Pages 182 - 529. The heading
identifies the following information:

Name
Birth year
Birthplace
Mother's name
Military unit
Rank
Date of death
Cause of death - Hero/Disappeared/Deported
Jewish

The list identifies 3,539 Jews. Statistical analysis starts on Page 531

http://library.hungaricana.hu/en/view/SOMM_sk_somogy_2vilaghab/?pg=181&layout=s

Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia


More about Meiske Segal #lithuania

Linda Kelley
 

A Holocaust survivor, Meiske Segal, is >from Marijampole, Lithuania. He
is looking for living relatives in Canada, but he doesn't have
specific information...

One of the relatives was also a Holocaust survivor named Diode____,
who is about 77 now.
Diode hoped to live in Israel, but probably lives in Canada. As
recently as 1985, Diode lived in Vilnius. Does this sound familiar to
anyone?

Thank you!
Linda Wolfe Kelley


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Fwd: More about Meiske Segal #lithuania

Linda Kelley
 

A Holocaust survivor, Meiske Segal, is >from Marijampole, Lithuania. He
is looking for living relatives in Canada, but he doesn't have
specific information...

One of the relatives was also a Holocaust survivor named Diode____,
who is about 77 now.
Diode hoped to live in Israel, but probably lives in Canada. As
recently as 1985, Diode lived in Vilnius. Does this sound familiar to
anyone?

Thank you!
Linda Wolfe Kelley


She died in a fire in NYC #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

Hi fellow Genners -
I'm trying to help a friend find her paternal grandmother. She knows that her
first name was Rose and her married last name was MORGANSTERN. The family story
is that while she was cooking a meal for the Jewish holidays, her apron caught
fire. She suffered severe burns and was taken to the hospital (probably
Bellevue) where she died. This occurred most likely on the Lower East Side.

The time period is sometime before 1943. I'm guessing 1930 - 1943. I've looked
in Ancestry, Familysearch, and Jewishgen. I've tried to find her name in death
records and some newspapers. Does anyone have any ideas about what else I can
do next?

Please contact me directly.
Thank you.

Shelley Mitchell


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen She died in a fire in NYC #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

Hi fellow Genners -
I'm trying to help a friend find her paternal grandmother. She knows that her
first name was Rose and her married last name was MORGANSTERN. The family story
is that while she was cooking a meal for the Jewish holidays, her apron caught
fire. She suffered severe burns and was taken to the hospital (probably
Bellevue) where she died. This occurred most likely on the Lower East Side.

The time period is sometime before 1943. I'm guessing 1930 - 1943. I've looked
in Ancestry, Familysearch, and Jewishgen. I've tried to find her name in death
records and some newspapers. Does anyone have any ideas about what else I can
do next?

Please contact me directly.
Thank you.

Shelley Mitchell


Information for Najzdinka LICHTENBERG-FINKELSTEIN #general

Rashi Rosenzweig
 

Dear Genners:

Najzdinka LICHTENBERG-FINKELSTEIN was my great aunt (my paternal
grandmother's younger sister). Born in Odessa to a wealthy family,
she became one of the most profound and well-respected pianists in the
Soviet Union with a PhD in piano and music theory. I believe that she
lectured at the Music Conservatory at the University of Moscow. She
resided both in Moscow and at our family's home in Baku, Azerbaijan.

Neither my father nor I ever met her as she lived and died in the
Soviet Union and never visited the States. She was in touch with our
family in England and I remember during the years of the Iron Curtain,
my great aunt Rose placed a phone call to her in the mid 1970s. My
Dad described it as one of the most dramatic things he had ever
witnessed nor did he ever see his aunt Rose ever react that way before
in his life, as neither sister saw or spoke with one another for over
5 decades at least.

Is there any way I can research her with the information that I have?
Any ideas people?

Thank you all very much and I hope to hear >from somebody soon.

Kind regards,

Rashi Rosenzweig
Ra'anana, ISRAEL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Information for Najzdinka LICHTENBERG-FINKELSTEIN #general

Rashi Rosenzweig
 

Dear Genners:

Najzdinka LICHTENBERG-FINKELSTEIN was my great aunt (my paternal
grandmother's younger sister). Born in Odessa to a wealthy family,
she became one of the most profound and well-respected pianists in the
Soviet Union with a PhD in piano and music theory. I believe that she
lectured at the Music Conservatory at the University of Moscow. She
resided both in Moscow and at our family's home in Baku, Azerbaijan.

Neither my father nor I ever met her as she lived and died in the
Soviet Union and never visited the States. She was in touch with our
family in England and I remember during the years of the Iron Curtain,
my great aunt Rose placed a phone call to her in the mid 1970s. My
Dad described it as one of the most dramatic things he had ever
witnessed nor did he ever see his aunt Rose ever react that way before
in his life, as neither sister saw or spoke with one another for over
5 decades at least.

Is there any way I can research her with the information that I have?
Any ideas people?

Thank you all very much and I hope to hear >from somebody soon.

Kind regards,

Rashi Rosenzweig
Ra'anana, ISRAEL


Re: Search baby from Miskolcz killed in 1944 #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Yad Vashem and other archives have a list of names of 10,775 Jews deported to
the Miskolc ghetto. Very likely that the child is listed with her parents. You
can also search Yad Vashem Central Archives on-line.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
JewishGen Hungarian SIG Coordinator

On Jul 11, 2016, at 11:04 PM, <davidnead@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for the name of the baby, who lived in the town Miskolcz, and
killed about age 2 in 1944.

Is it practical?

Is there a way to get birth records dating back to 1942? There were those
records? They survived? They are protected by privacy?
Is there could be other records (census registration Holocaust victims) of
these years - include babies?

Of course I know her parents' names and other details about the family. I
just do not know her name - I know it was there and was killed.

It has a chance?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Search baby from Miskolcz killed in 1944 #general

Vivian Kahn
 

Yad Vashem and other archives have a list of names of 10,775 Jews deported to
the Miskolc ghetto. Very likely that the child is listed with her parents. You
can also search Yad Vashem Central Archives on-line.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, California
JewishGen Hungarian SIG Coordinator

On Jul 11, 2016, at 11:04 PM, <davidnead@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for the name of the baby, who lived in the town Miskolcz, and
killed about age 2 in 1944.

Is it practical?

Is there a way to get birth records dating back to 1942? There were those
records? They survived? They are protected by privacy?
Is there could be other records (census registration Holocaust victims) of
these years - include babies?

Of course I know her parents' names and other details about the family. I
just do not know her name - I know it was there and was killed.

It has a chance?


Re: Train travel Lodz-Vilne 1920 #general

Stanley Grossman
 

Paula Baker's interest in the above journey made me first think of the
recent UK TV series of European train journeys taken by former politician
Michael Portillo, using the old George Bradshaw train schedules. I don't
know if that helps but there is also a series of guides by William Harman
Black, (The real Europe pocket guide-book (number 10 of the "Black's blue
books") with 23 simple outline maps of the 33 new countries, and elaborate
index, by William Harman Black 1920).
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007685715
The Universities of California and Minnesota may have copies.

Stanley Grossman. Glasgow, Scotland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Train travel Lodz-Vilne 1920 #general

Stanley Grossman
 

Paula Baker's interest in the above journey made me first think of the
recent UK TV series of European train journeys taken by former politician
Michael Portillo, using the old George Bradshaw train schedules. I don't
know if that helps but there is also a series of guides by William Harman
Black, (The real Europe pocket guide-book (number 10 of the "Black's blue
books") with 23 simple outline maps of the 33 new countries, and elaborate
index, by William Harman Black 1920).
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007685715
The Universities of California and Minnesota may have copies.

Stanley Grossman. Glasgow, Scotland


Re: She died in a fire in NYC #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Shelley Mitchell
...She knows that her first name was Rose and her married last name was
MORGANSTERN. The family story is that while she was cooking a meal for the
Jewish holidays, her apron caught fire. She suffered severe burns and was
taken to the hospital (probably Bellevue) where she died. This occurred most
likely on the Lower East Side.

The time period is sometime before 1943. I'm guessing 1930 - 1943...
Not trying to single anyone out ... but this is a good example of problem
solving and how to make the search a little easier.

Do you know her approximate birth date? Do you know her husband's name?

Use the facts you know and start with the most basic of searches which is the
US Census. Is she in the 1930 Census? What does that tell you about her, ie
address, age, etc.

Is she in the 1940 Census? Can you find her husband in the 1940 Census? In he
is at the same address it is likely you have the address for where this might
have happened. Of course if she is in the 1940 Census that changes you date
window. Always use basic searches to narrow you date window -- or as I say
put a ring around your dates and try to close the range as much as possible.

You might get lucky and search the NY Times -- which is entirely digital --
and find her death notice or because of the odd circumstances even a news story.

Do you know when the husband died and more importantly where he was buried? He
might he buried next to the wife.

Also try using the Morse One Step tool which is the most basic for NYC vital
records. It has the NYC Death Index and I did a quick search on Rose and sounds
line Morganstern in case the spelling was off. (You could also put wild cards
in for all the vowels when you search.) I assumed she was anywhere between age
20 and 100. That search along gave me three possibilities and over 100 total
names.

These steps alone should make this type of searching much easier. There's more
but I wanted to keep this basic on how to tackle this type of search. It is
likely because of the circumstances there could be a medical examiner's
investigation for example but I would reserve that for a later date once the
basics on the death have been established.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: She died in a fire in NYC #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Shelley Mitchell
...She knows that her first name was Rose and her married last name was
MORGANSTERN. The family story is that while she was cooking a meal for the
Jewish holidays, her apron caught fire. She suffered severe burns and was
taken to the hospital (probably Bellevue) where she died. This occurred most
likely on the Lower East Side.

The time period is sometime before 1943. I'm guessing 1930 - 1943...
Not trying to single anyone out ... but this is a good example of problem
solving and how to make the search a little easier.

Do you know her approximate birth date? Do you know her husband's name?

Use the facts you know and start with the most basic of searches which is the
US Census. Is she in the 1930 Census? What does that tell you about her, ie
address, age, etc.

Is she in the 1940 Census? Can you find her husband in the 1940 Census? In he
is at the same address it is likely you have the address for where this might
have happened. Of course if she is in the 1940 Census that changes you date
window. Always use basic searches to narrow you date window -- or as I say
put a ring around your dates and try to close the range as much as possible.

You might get lucky and search the NY Times -- which is entirely digital --
and find her death notice or because of the odd circumstances even a news story.

Do you know when the husband died and more importantly where he was buried? He
might he buried next to the wife.

Also try using the Morse One Step tool which is the most basic for NYC vital
records. It has the NYC Death Index and I did a quick search on Rose and sounds
line Morganstern in case the spelling was off. (You could also put wild cards
in for all the vowels when you search.) I assumed she was anywhere between age
20 and 100. That search along gave me three possibilities and over 100 total
names.

These steps alone should make this type of searching much easier. There's more
but I wanted to keep this basic on how to tackle this type of search. It is
likely because of the circumstances there could be a medical examiner's
investigation for example but I would reserve that for a later date once the
basics on the death have been established.

Allan Jordan

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