Date   

Immigrants #ukraine

GeoestherL@...
 

The only thing I have to add is that bribing the Border Guards at the
Russo-Polish border seems to have been common as both my mother's family and my
in-laws told me about having to do this. My in-laws were helped greatly
by HIAS once they had arrived in Poland, and HIAS helped arrange for their
getting to the port and arranging passage. Another common practice, at least
in my family, seemed to be altering the birth dates of children on their
manifest or on arrival.

George Liss


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Immigrants #ukraine

GeoestherL@...
 

The only thing I have to add is that bribing the Border Guards at the
Russo-Polish border seems to have been common as both my mother's family and my
in-laws told me about having to do this. My in-laws were helped greatly
by HIAS once they had arrived in Poland, and HIAS helped arrange for their
getting to the port and arranging passage. Another common practice, at least
in my family, seemed to be altering the birth dates of children on their
manifest or on arrival.

George Liss


Article about Stanley Diamond in Harvard Business School newsletter #general

Deborah Long <debbietheteacher@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I think you will enjoy this recent article about Stanley Diamond which
appeared in the Harvard Business School alumni newsletter:

www.alumni.hbs.edu/stories/Pages/story-bulletin.aspx?num=5757&cid=alumninews-august2016b.
[MOD. NOTE: shortened URL - http://goo.gl/A6rfnc ]

If your life was influenced by Stanley's contributions to Jewish
genealogy, as was mine, you may want to add your comments at the end of
the article.

I am the North Carolina woman whose life Stanley Diamond changed. With
the records on JRI-Poland, I was able to reconstruct a fractured family
tree I never thought that I would be able to find my ancestors as my
mother had told me that she was the sole survivor of the Holocaust out
of 100s of family members. Not only was I able to discover information
about my grandparents and great-grandparents thanks to the records on
JRI-Poland, I was able to put the pieces together enough that when I
found additional records at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, I
discovered surviving family members in Sweden, Canada and Israel. A
researcher who Stanley recommended took me on an incredible adventure to
see my ancestors' villages, too.

Thank you, Stanley! Thank you, JRI-Poland!

Debbie Long
Chapel Hill, North Carolina
Triangle JGS
Looking for GALAS of Poland and MUNK of Hungary and Slovakia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Article about Stanley Diamond in Harvard Business School newsletter #general

Deborah Long <debbietheteacher@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I think you will enjoy this recent article about Stanley Diamond which
appeared in the Harvard Business School alumni newsletter:

www.alumni.hbs.edu/stories/Pages/story-bulletin.aspx?num=5757&cid=alumninews-august2016b.
[MOD. NOTE: shortened URL - http://goo.gl/A6rfnc ]

If your life was influenced by Stanley's contributions to Jewish
genealogy, as was mine, you may want to add your comments at the end of
the article.

I am the North Carolina woman whose life Stanley Diamond changed. With
the records on JRI-Poland, I was able to reconstruct a fractured family
tree I never thought that I would be able to find my ancestors as my
mother had told me that she was the sole survivor of the Holocaust out
of 100s of family members. Not only was I able to discover information
about my grandparents and great-grandparents thanks to the records on
JRI-Poland, I was able to put the pieces together enough that when I
found additional records at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, I
discovered surviving family members in Sweden, Canada and Israel. A
researcher who Stanley recommended took me on an incredible adventure to
see my ancestors' villages, too.

Thank you, Stanley! Thank you, JRI-Poland!

Debbie Long
Chapel Hill, North Carolina
Triangle JGS
Looking for GALAS of Poland and MUNK of Hungary and Slovakia


New way to support Jewishgen #general

Inna Vayner <innanes@...>
 

Dear JewishGen members,

I just learned that amazon.com initiated a new offering - AmazonSmile,
under which everyone who shops at amazon can chose a charitable
organization and Amazon will donate 0.5% of the price of your eligible
AmazonSmile purchases to this charity. Please consider choosing
JewishGen as a charity of your choice every time you shop at amazon.com.
You will need to login into this website
http://smile.amazon.com/ and chose JewishGen Inc.

Inna Vayner
JewishGen, Tiraspol KehilaLinks website
Bessarabian/Moldavian Jewish Roots Facebook Group Admin
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Bessarabian.Moldavian.Jewishroots/

Researching Vayner/Wainer/Weiner, Studinovskiy, Sheinfeld , Maizler,
Dekhtyar/Dechtyar/Dechter, Sobol >from Tiraspol, Nezavertailvoka,
Kishinev, and Odessa.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New way to support Jewishgen #general

Inna Vayner <innanes@...>
 

Dear JewishGen members,

I just learned that amazon.com initiated a new offering - AmazonSmile,
under which everyone who shops at amazon can chose a charitable
organization and Amazon will donate 0.5% of the price of your eligible
AmazonSmile purchases to this charity. Please consider choosing
JewishGen as a charity of your choice every time you shop at amazon.com.
You will need to login into this website
http://smile.amazon.com/ and chose JewishGen Inc.

Inna Vayner
JewishGen, Tiraspol KehilaLinks website
Bessarabian/Moldavian Jewish Roots Facebook Group Admin
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Bessarabian.Moldavian.Jewishroots/

Researching Vayner/Wainer/Weiner, Studinovskiy, Sheinfeld , Maizler,
Dekhtyar/Dechtyar/Dechter, Sobol >from Tiraspol, Nezavertailvoka,
Kishinev, and Odessa.


Re: (US) Jews in the "Wild West" #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Jan Meisels Allen brought to our attention the article published in AISH
about "Jews in the Wild West". Interesting article.

I thought that readers in this forum would be interested in a book by
Harriet and Fred Rochlin, first published in 1984 by Houghton Mifflin Company
titled "Pioneer Jews - A New Life in the Far West". I believe the latest
addition was published in 2014 with about 20 pages added. The 1984 edition
has some 240 pages.

If the AISH article whet your appetite to learn more about the Jews in the
Early West, and how / why they went there then this book is for you.
There are photos, maps, etc.

I have no connection to the authors or the book other than I have a
paperback copy that I've had for about 30 years.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio

agloger@aol.com

"Jan Meisels Allen" <janmallen@att.net> wrote:
AISH has published an interesting article on "Jews in the Wild West" and
how Jews helped shape the American Frontier. In 1878, a survey by the Union of
American Hebrew Congregations the article states - there were 230,257 Jews
living in the United States, there were only 21,465 in 11 western states
and territories-although there are some who believe the number is understated.
There are stories about Jews in a number of the western territories and
states that may be of interest. To read the article see:
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/Jews-in-the-Wild-West.html?s=mm
MODERATOR NOTE: This will serve as a one-time mention of a commercially available
work.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: (US) Jews in the "Wild West" #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Jan Meisels Allen brought to our attention the article published in AISH
about "Jews in the Wild West". Interesting article.

I thought that readers in this forum would be interested in a book by
Harriet and Fred Rochlin, first published in 1984 by Houghton Mifflin Company
titled "Pioneer Jews - A New Life in the Far West". I believe the latest
addition was published in 2014 with about 20 pages added. The 1984 edition
has some 240 pages.

If the AISH article whet your appetite to learn more about the Jews in the
Early West, and how / why they went there then this book is for you.
There are photos, maps, etc.

I have no connection to the authors or the book other than I have a
paperback copy that I've had for about 30 years.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio

agloger@aol.com

"Jan Meisels Allen" <janmallen@att.net> wrote:
AISH has published an interesting article on "Jews in the Wild West" and
how Jews helped shape the American Frontier. In 1878, a survey by the Union of
American Hebrew Congregations the article states - there were 230,257 Jews
living in the United States, there were only 21,465 in 11 western states
and territories-although there are some who believe the number is understated.
There are stories about Jews in a number of the western territories and
states that may be of interest. To read the article see:
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/Jews-in-the-Wild-West.html?s=mm
MODERATOR NOTE: This will serve as a one-time mention of a commercially available
work.


Mt. Hebron and Mt. Zion Cemeteries, Queens, New York - photo request #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

If anyone is planning a visit to either Mt. Hebron cemetery or Mt. Zion Cemetery,
please let me know. I need a picture of the headstones of two married couples.
One set are right near each other and the other pair aren't that far away >from
each other. I have all the location details. Unfortunately, I am unable to visit
due to health issues.

Please contact me directly so there is no duplication of effort.
Thank you so very much.

Shelley Mitchell


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mt. Hebron and Mt. Zion Cemeteries, Queens, New York - photo request #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

If anyone is planning a visit to either Mt. Hebron cemetery or Mt. Zion Cemetery,
please let me know. I need a picture of the headstones of two married couples.
One set are right near each other and the other pair aren't that far away >from
each other. I have all the location details. Unfortunately, I am unable to visit
due to health issues.

Please contact me directly so there is no duplication of effort.
Thank you so very much.

Shelley Mitchell


ProQuest-USC Shoah Foundation Launch Streaming Version of Visual History Archive #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

As announced last April, ProQuest and USC Shoah Foundation, the Institute
for Visual History and Education, embarked on a landmark partnership where
ProQuest will begin distributing the USC Shoah Foundation's Visual History
Archives to colleges and universities starting during the summer of 2016.
ProQuest will be the exclusive distributor of the archive around the world
except for China. This will dramatically improve access to 53,000 video
testimonies of genocide survivors and witnesses.

The new streaming version will include ProQuest's search capabilities to
locate specific terms and ProQuest Content. More than 112,00 hours of
testimony >from survivors and witnesses of the Holocaust and other genocides
including Armenia, Rwanda and Nanjing encompass the Visual History Archive.
The interviews have been conducted in 63 countries and approximately 40
languages. Each year the Visual History Archive will grow-in 2016 1,000
testimonies >from the Holocaust as well as Cambodian and Guatemalan genocides
will be added. By late 2017, ProQuest will enable the video testimonies to
be fully cross-searched with the ProQuest content including the historical
newspapers, periodicals, magazines, government records and more,

Access to the Visual History Archive is available in libraries/archives/
institutions that subscribe to it through their ProQuest subscriptions. Not
all libraries necessarily subscribe to all of ProQuest's services. For
those libraries that subscribe to ProQuest's Historical Jewish newspapers
or History Vault with its World War ll content, may wish to add this to
their ProQuest collection enhancing the research experience.

To read the press release see:
http://www.proquest.com/about/news/2016/Landmark-Partnership-Improves-Access-to-Eyewitness-Accounts.html
[MOD. NOTE: Shortened URL - http://goo.gl/bxSoEa ]

ProQuest is best known to us for their historical newspaper archives and for
ProQuest Day at the annual IAJGS Conference where they generously provide
access to their entire historical newspaper archives and other databases
including scholarly journals and ebooks.

To help spread the word to research libraries on this new partnership, on 19
August 60 archivists and librarians >from the Association of College &
Research Libraries (ACRL) viewed a webinar about the Visual History Archive.
To read more about this see:
https://sfi.usc.edu/news/2016/08/12089-proquest-sponsors-visual-history-archive-webinar-association-college-research
[MOD. NOTE: shortened URL - https://goo.gl/3h1m3u ]

I have no affiliation with ProQuest nor the USC Shoah Foundation and am
posting this solely for the readers' information.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ProQuest-USC Shoah Foundation Launch Streaming Version of Visual History Archive #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

As announced last April, ProQuest and USC Shoah Foundation, the Institute
for Visual History and Education, embarked on a landmark partnership where
ProQuest will begin distributing the USC Shoah Foundation's Visual History
Archives to colleges and universities starting during the summer of 2016.
ProQuest will be the exclusive distributor of the archive around the world
except for China. This will dramatically improve access to 53,000 video
testimonies of genocide survivors and witnesses.

The new streaming version will include ProQuest's search capabilities to
locate specific terms and ProQuest Content. More than 112,00 hours of
testimony >from survivors and witnesses of the Holocaust and other genocides
including Armenia, Rwanda and Nanjing encompass the Visual History Archive.
The interviews have been conducted in 63 countries and approximately 40
languages. Each year the Visual History Archive will grow-in 2016 1,000
testimonies >from the Holocaust as well as Cambodian and Guatemalan genocides
will be added. By late 2017, ProQuest will enable the video testimonies to
be fully cross-searched with the ProQuest content including the historical
newspapers, periodicals, magazines, government records and more,

Access to the Visual History Archive is available in libraries/archives/
institutions that subscribe to it through their ProQuest subscriptions. Not
all libraries necessarily subscribe to all of ProQuest's services. For
those libraries that subscribe to ProQuest's Historical Jewish newspapers
or History Vault with its World War ll content, may wish to add this to
their ProQuest collection enhancing the research experience.

To read the press release see:
http://www.proquest.com/about/news/2016/Landmark-Partnership-Improves-Access-to-Eyewitness-Accounts.html
[MOD. NOTE: Shortened URL - http://goo.gl/bxSoEa ]

ProQuest is best known to us for their historical newspaper archives and for
ProQuest Day at the annual IAJGS Conference where they generously provide
access to their entire historical newspaper archives and other databases
including scholarly journals and ebooks.

To help spread the word to research libraries on this new partnership, on 19
August 60 archivists and librarians >from the Association of College &
Research Libraries (ACRL) viewed a webinar about the Visual History Archive.
To read more about this see:
https://sfi.usc.edu/news/2016/08/12089-proquest-sponsors-visual-history-archive-webinar-association-college-research
[MOD. NOTE: shortened URL - https://goo.gl/3h1m3u ]

I have no affiliation with ProQuest nor the USC Shoah Foundation and am
posting this solely for the readers' information.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Unusual gravestone inscription #general

Martin Fischer
 

Elayne Shapiro wrote: "Has anyone encountered cases in the U.S. where just the
first initial of the person's first name (rather than the whole first name)
plus surname is used?"

Yes. I was presented with a situation in which a ship arrival manifest for a
son listed his father, with whom he was expected to live, as B. Berman.

I found a B. Berman listed that way on a subscription Jewish burial database
for a grave in Waldheim Cemetery in Forest Park, Illinois.

When I arrived at the cemetery office, their in-house database identified B.
Berman as Barnett Berman; however, when I found his gravestone, it was inscribed
B. Berman.

I don't know whether having just the first initial on the grave marker has any
special significance; however, Barnett was probably an Americanization of Berel
(or of his Hebrew name, Baruch). It also could have saved a bit of money on the
size of the gravestone because B. Berman fit on one line, while Barnett Berman
would have taken two lines to fit on the stone.

Martin Fischer
Oak Park, Illinois


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Unusual gravestone inscription #general

Martin Fischer
 

Elayne Shapiro wrote: "Has anyone encountered cases in the U.S. where just the
first initial of the person's first name (rather than the whole first name)
plus surname is used?"

Yes. I was presented with a situation in which a ship arrival manifest for a
son listed his father, with whom he was expected to live, as B. Berman.

I found a B. Berman listed that way on a subscription Jewish burial database
for a grave in Waldheim Cemetery in Forest Park, Illinois.

When I arrived at the cemetery office, their in-house database identified B.
Berman as Barnett Berman; however, when I found his gravestone, it was inscribed
B. Berman.

I don't know whether having just the first initial on the grave marker has any
special significance; however, Barnett was probably an Americanization of Berel
(or of his Hebrew name, Baruch). It also could have saved a bit of money on the
size of the gravestone because B. Berman fit on one line, while Barnett Berman
would have taken two lines to fit on the stone.

Martin Fischer
Oak Park, Illinois


Subject: Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's #ukraine

Debra Price <dsprice@...>
 

About 1920, when my father was about 10 years old, the family left from
what is now Ukraine and headed for the U.S. Here is an excerpt >from his
autobiography describing the land portion of the trip.

"My father, mother, brother Yosel with his wife Rosie and infant son
Jack, brothers Dave and Benchik, sisters Entzie and Pola, and I loaded hired
wagons and left Proskurov at night, for going through the villages and
fields was dangerous by day. (My brother Charlie was already in the U.S.)
We were headed for a stop-over in Lemberg, Poland. We planned to go via
Romania, which was the longer way, because the Polish border was closed due
to roving bands of bandits. However, when we got to the border we could not
proceed further because the bridges were being guarded by Bolshevik
revolutionaries and they did not permit anyone to leave. We were able to
rent a room for all of us which was to be for only a day or two until the
bridges would be reopened.
The town was soon overflowing with people but the bridges were not
reopened. Illegal border crossing was the only option available. Dave,
Benchik, and Entzie decided to cross the turbulent river in flat boats rowed
by two peasants. At a given signal during the night when the guards walked
off for a short while they made a quick dash for the boats and took off. The
boats were loaded down with as many people as possible, all lying huddled
together, so that the water was practically at the level of the boat. Entzie
said that she did not know where her brothers were until Dave coughed, as he
always did. So as not to give away their location, the peasant buried
Dave's head between his legs and put his hand over his mouth. When they got
to Romania on the other side of the river they had to climb the Carpathian
Mountains on foot. Once over the mountains, they hired horses and buggies
which drove them to their destination-Lemberg.
Those of us who remained stuck on the other side of the river spent six
weeks in filth, misery, hunger, and lice. I was full of lice. At night I
would sit and kill them >from my shirts and underwear. The worst off was
Polia, my younger sister. I would try to clean her head, which was full of
sores and lice. My parents sold some of our belongings to buy food. The
Jewish population was small and poor so they could not help us much.
Eventually we were told that it was at that time impossible to go to Romania
but that the Polish border was accessible at certain spots in the mountains.
We packed and left.
Getting to the Polish border was not difficult but at the border we
found that it was to be an illegal crossing over the mountain and on the
other side wagons would take us to the town. Of course, during the night,
when the moon was not bright. The mountain was steep, covered with ice. We
slid backwards more than we went forward. It was most difficult for my
father because of his deformed leg. My brother Yosel and my mother stayed
in back of him and pushed him forward. It was a horrible crossing, the
guards losing patience with us - quicker, quicker and quiet. With the
rising sun I saw for the first time bombed out houses. In Proskurov it was
robbery and sacking and destruction by hand. In Poland it was
different--cannons and bombs--and villages were in shambles. Eventually we
reached Lemberg and were soon reunited with my brothers.
We lived approximately 6 months in Lemberg, in the poor Jewish section.
Why did we spend so much time in Lemberg? Because we could not get a visa
to enter the U.S. since there was a quota system in effect and the quota was
full. The decision was made to go to Canada (where there was no quota at
the time) and >from there to the U.S. We went by train >from Lemberg to
France. It was my first train ride. I recall the checkpoint at the
Polish-German border. At one of our stops in Germany there was singing and
dancing at the station, all dressed in Bohemian or native costumes. It was
quite a colorful sight, lasting perhaps 10 or 15 minutes. The next place I
recall was Antwerp, Belgium. The streets were very clean, wide and had
trolley cars, which was something new to me. I was also impressed with the
public comfort stations which were in the centers of main streets.
Before crossing the Channel and entering England we had to undergo a
delousing process. We undressed completely and put our clothing in metal
pans for heating in an oven, while we lined up nude, men separate from
women, and were hosed down with what seemed to us to be kerosene."

Debra Price
Wantagh, NY

Researching KFAR, KVAR, KWAR (Proskurov & Lemberg), CHUNOWICZ (Makow
Mazowiecki)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Subject: Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's #ukraine

Debra Price <dsprice@...>
 

About 1920, when my father was about 10 years old, the family left from
what is now Ukraine and headed for the U.S. Here is an excerpt >from his
autobiography describing the land portion of the trip.

"My father, mother, brother Yosel with his wife Rosie and infant son
Jack, brothers Dave and Benchik, sisters Entzie and Pola, and I loaded hired
wagons and left Proskurov at night, for going through the villages and
fields was dangerous by day. (My brother Charlie was already in the U.S.)
We were headed for a stop-over in Lemberg, Poland. We planned to go via
Romania, which was the longer way, because the Polish border was closed due
to roving bands of bandits. However, when we got to the border we could not
proceed further because the bridges were being guarded by Bolshevik
revolutionaries and they did not permit anyone to leave. We were able to
rent a room for all of us which was to be for only a day or two until the
bridges would be reopened.
The town was soon overflowing with people but the bridges were not
reopened. Illegal border crossing was the only option available. Dave,
Benchik, and Entzie decided to cross the turbulent river in flat boats rowed
by two peasants. At a given signal during the night when the guards walked
off for a short while they made a quick dash for the boats and took off. The
boats were loaded down with as many people as possible, all lying huddled
together, so that the water was practically at the level of the boat. Entzie
said that she did not know where her brothers were until Dave coughed, as he
always did. So as not to give away their location, the peasant buried
Dave's head between his legs and put his hand over his mouth. When they got
to Romania on the other side of the river they had to climb the Carpathian
Mountains on foot. Once over the mountains, they hired horses and buggies
which drove them to their destination-Lemberg.
Those of us who remained stuck on the other side of the river spent six
weeks in filth, misery, hunger, and lice. I was full of lice. At night I
would sit and kill them >from my shirts and underwear. The worst off was
Polia, my younger sister. I would try to clean her head, which was full of
sores and lice. My parents sold some of our belongings to buy food. The
Jewish population was small and poor so they could not help us much.
Eventually we were told that it was at that time impossible to go to Romania
but that the Polish border was accessible at certain spots in the mountains.
We packed and left.
Getting to the Polish border was not difficult but at the border we
found that it was to be an illegal crossing over the mountain and on the
other side wagons would take us to the town. Of course, during the night,
when the moon was not bright. The mountain was steep, covered with ice. We
slid backwards more than we went forward. It was most difficult for my
father because of his deformed leg. My brother Yosel and my mother stayed
in back of him and pushed him forward. It was a horrible crossing, the
guards losing patience with us - quicker, quicker and quiet. With the
rising sun I saw for the first time bombed out houses. In Proskurov it was
robbery and sacking and destruction by hand. In Poland it was
different--cannons and bombs--and villages were in shambles. Eventually we
reached Lemberg and were soon reunited with my brothers.
We lived approximately 6 months in Lemberg, in the poor Jewish section.
Why did we spend so much time in Lemberg? Because we could not get a visa
to enter the U.S. since there was a quota system in effect and the quota was
full. The decision was made to go to Canada (where there was no quota at
the time) and >from there to the U.S. We went by train >from Lemberg to
France. It was my first train ride. I recall the checkpoint at the
Polish-German border. At one of our stops in Germany there was singing and
dancing at the station, all dressed in Bohemian or native costumes. It was
quite a colorful sight, lasting perhaps 10 or 15 minutes. The next place I
recall was Antwerp, Belgium. The streets were very clean, wide and had
trolley cars, which was something new to me. I was also impressed with the
public comfort stations which were in the centers of main streets.
Before crossing the Channel and entering England we had to undergo a
delousing process. We undressed completely and put our clothing in metal
pans for heating in an oven, while we lined up nude, men separate from
women, and were hosed down with what seemed to us to be kerosene."

Debra Price
Wantagh, NY

Researching KFAR, KVAR, KWAR (Proskurov & Lemberg), CHUNOWICZ (Makow
Mazowiecki)


Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's #ukraine

Charlie Millman <charlesjmillman@...>
 

Well, offhand I can't point you toward any resources Leslie, but I
recall having read about how a large amount of young Russian Jews
walked across the Ukraine westward -- possibly a reaction to the
pogroms in the early 1900s -- picking up more young people as they
passed by other shtetls and towns. One story I heard growing up about
my ggf, Chaim Millman, is that he walked across Europe to England
(must've hopped a ferry in Calais or Ostende) although details were
sparse. Possibly part of this walking movement.

Charles Millman
Plymouth Meeting PA






----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's
From: Leslie Kelman <les.kelman43@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:07:22 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

How much do we know about the details of how our ancestors traveled
from The Pale to their new destination. I envisage that every trip
involved 2 segments; the sea segment and the land segment, because the
vast majority of those emigrating did not live in port cities or
towns.

Over the years I have found much useful information regarding sea
passenger lists and shipping records. On the other hand I am having
difficulty trying to understand details about the land segment, apart
from the fact that train travel played an important role.
I know that my grandfather and 5 children (including my father)
travelled >from Zhitomir in late 1923. They went to Riga and there they
obtained 3 visas; firstly to travel through Germany, secondly to
travel through Holland, and thirdly to enter the UK. I have some of
the travel documents as well as my father's UK Aliens card all of
which help to firmly establish dates. They left Zhitomir at the
beginning of November, 1923; and they arrived in the UK on December
11, 1923

I have done Google, Bing and Jewish Gen searches but without much
luck. Can anyone help direct me to useful sources and resources about
the land segment of our ancestors travel. I would like to do more
research on this subject.

Thanks
Leslie Kelman, Toronto


Re: Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's #ukraine

Ivy Dennett-Thorpe <ivygar@...>
 

Dear All,


There's a lot of information about travelling to Hamburg and emigrating
to the US and other countries >from Hamburg on the website for the
Ballinstadt Emigration museum in Hamburg(
http://www.ballinstadt.de/?lang=en). It's a wonderful museum and I
understand that they've recently reopened after renovating.


Yours,


Ivy Garlitz Dennett-Thorpe


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's #ukraine

Charlie Millman <charlesjmillman@...>
 

Well, offhand I can't point you toward any resources Leslie, but I
recall having read about how a large amount of young Russian Jews
walked across the Ukraine westward -- possibly a reaction to the
pogroms in the early 1900s -- picking up more young people as they
passed by other shtetls and towns. One story I heard growing up about
my ggf, Chaim Millman, is that he walked across Europe to England
(must've hopped a ferry in Calais or Ostende) although details were
sparse. Possibly part of this walking movement.

Charles Millman
Plymouth Meeting PA






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Subject: Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's
From: Leslie Kelman <les.kelman43@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:07:22 -0400
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How much do we know about the details of how our ancestors traveled
from The Pale to their new destination. I envisage that every trip
involved 2 segments; the sea segment and the land segment, because the
vast majority of those emigrating did not live in port cities or
towns.

Over the years I have found much useful information regarding sea
passenger lists and shipping records. On the other hand I am having
difficulty trying to understand details about the land segment, apart
from the fact that train travel played an important role.
I know that my grandfather and 5 children (including my father)
travelled >from Zhitomir in late 1923. They went to Riga and there they
obtained 3 visas; firstly to travel through Germany, secondly to
travel through Holland, and thirdly to enter the UK. I have some of
the travel documents as well as my father's UK Aliens card all of
which help to firmly establish dates. They left Zhitomir at the
beginning of November, 1923; and they arrived in the UK on December
11, 1923

I have done Google, Bing and Jewish Gen searches but without much
luck. Can anyone help direct me to useful sources and resources about
the land segment of our ancestors travel. I would like to do more
research on this subject.

Thanks
Leslie Kelman, Toronto


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's #ukraine

Ivy Dennett-Thorpe <ivygar@...>
 

Dear All,


There's a lot of information about travelling to Hamburg and emigrating
to the US and other countries >from Hamburg on the website for the
Ballinstadt Emigration museum in Hamburg(
http://www.ballinstadt.de/?lang=en). It's a wonderful museum and I
understand that they've recently reopened after renovating.


Yours,


Ivy Garlitz Dennett-Thorpe

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