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Syllabus from Salt Lake Conference
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rmjb@...
How does one order a copy of the Syllabus >from the Salt Lake City Conference?
David Blank Jerusalem MODERATOR NOTE: Please contact Howard Margol, President of IAJGS, at HOMargol@...
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Syllabus from Salt Lake Conference
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rmjb@...
How does one order a copy of the Syllabus >from the Salt Lake City Conference?
David Blank Jerusalem MODERATOR NOTE: Please contact Howard Margol, President of IAJGS, at HOMargol@...
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SUSSKIND-STUTTGART
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martin susskind <susskind@...>
I am new at this.
My father Hans SUSSKIND was born in Stuttgart on 02/04/1905. His father Alfred SUSSKIND was born in Stuttgart on 06/08/1875 and he married my gm Martha LEUBUSCHER who was born on the 10/04/1876- they married in Oppeln on 29/01/1900. My ggf was born in Schlesien? on 18/07/1842 hes name was Jacob SUSSKIND and he married Mathilde STRAUSS. His father I think was Philip Susskind who was married to Herietta EPSTEIN?? My father fled Germany to Cape Town,S/Africa in 1936 and lived there until he passed away in 1993. His father Alfred also left for Cape Town in 1939 and died a few days after arriving there. My dad had 2 sisters Gretl SUSSKIND who lived in London and Lisl SECKEL who lived in Bulawayo,Rhodesia. I live in Melbourne,Australia,and would be very pleased if anyone could help me trace any further info on my family.Other possible family names connected are SOLINGER,BYTINSKY,BAER SACHS,GOLDSMIDT,CASSIERER,SCENIDER and GOLDSTEIN. My details are-Martin SUSSKIND-susskind@... Melbourne,Australia. MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) is a searchable database which connects people who are searching the same ancestral towns and surnames. It is found at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ Have you entered all your surnames for others to find? Another way to go about this is to start with our homepage at http://www.jewishgen.org and scroll down unitl you find the JGFF. Along the way take advantage of the many other things that JewishGen has to offer in the way of researching our ancestors.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SUSSKIND-STUTTGART
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martin susskind <susskind@...>
I am new at this.
My father Hans SUSSKIND was born in Stuttgart on 02/04/1905. His father Alfred SUSSKIND was born in Stuttgart on 06/08/1875 and he married my gm Martha LEUBUSCHER who was born on the 10/04/1876- they married in Oppeln on 29/01/1900. My ggf was born in Schlesien? on 18/07/1842 hes name was Jacob SUSSKIND and he married Mathilde STRAUSS. His father I think was Philip Susskind who was married to Herietta EPSTEIN?? My father fled Germany to Cape Town,S/Africa in 1936 and lived there until he passed away in 1993. His father Alfred also left for Cape Town in 1939 and died a few days after arriving there. My dad had 2 sisters Gretl SUSSKIND who lived in London and Lisl SECKEL who lived in Bulawayo,Rhodesia. I live in Melbourne,Australia,and would be very pleased if anyone could help me trace any further info on my family.Other possible family names connected are SOLINGER,BYTINSKY,BAER SACHS,GOLDSMIDT,CASSIERER,SCENIDER and GOLDSTEIN. My details are-Martin SUSSKIND-susskind@... Melbourne,Australia. MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) is a searchable database which connects people who are searching the same ancestral towns and surnames. It is found at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ Have you entered all your surnames for others to find? Another way to go about this is to start with our homepage at http://www.jewishgen.org and scroll down unitl you find the JGFF. Along the way take advantage of the many other things that JewishGen has to offer in the way of researching our ancestors.
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Uncle Moses / Rosie
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Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
So I'm trying to figure out how I might ascertain which is which, andRosie is Aaron Melnik's wife, Masha's mother. There's a description of her in the first chapter of the novel. I hope that helps. -- Alan Shuchat ashuchat@... Newton, Mass. Researching: SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Tavrig) VINOKUR (Talnoye) KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev) SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets) BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski) KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)
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Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Uncle Moses / Rosie
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Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
So I'm trying to figure out how I might ascertain which is which, andRosie is Aaron Melnik's wife, Masha's mother. There's a description of her in the first chapter of the novel. I hope that helps. -- Alan Shuchat ashuchat@... Newton, Mass. Researching: SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Tavrig) VINOKUR (Talnoye) KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev) SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets) BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski) KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)
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Pinkas HaKehillot
#galicia
Joyce Field <jfield@...>
In response to the offer by Connie Shertz to share a translation >from
the Pinkas HaKehillot, I want to inform everyone that those books have a closely held copyright by Yad Vashem, which will not give permission to publish translations as they are planning to publish their own translations with New York University Press in abridged volumes. Therefore, Connie's translations cannot appear anywhere on the JewishGen web site as this would constitute copyright infringement. Joyce Field jfield@... -- Joyce Field jfield@... jfield@...
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Pinkas HaKehillot
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Joyce Field <jfield@...>
In response to the offer by Connie Shertz to share a translation >from
the Pinkas HaKehillot, I want to inform everyone that those books have a closely held copyright by Yad Vashem, which will not give permission to publish translations as they are planning to publish their own translations with New York University Press in abridged volumes. Therefore, Connie's translations cannot appear anywhere on the JewishGen web site as this would constitute copyright infringement. Joyce Field jfield@... -- Joyce Field jfield@... jfield@...
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Re: administrative districts
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Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
Hi,
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I am trying to catch with the summer mail, and Suzan Wynne letter caught my attention, since I have been also involved with the subject of classifying Galicia shtetls. Frankly, I do not understand copyright issue mentioned in Suzan letter. I have in front of me list of all Polish towns gathered during 1928. This is supplement to 1929 Poland 1929 Business Directory. All towns are listed alphabetically, and the districts and Provinces names are listed alongside the town names. In addition, page number where detailed information about town and its business folks can be found is also referenced. Another detailed listing is also provided by the individual Provinces pages, all towns are again listed alphabetically Other deatiled town - district lists like Poland Post Office, are also available. What Austrian publication have messed up initially, has been rectified by the later Polish publications. Alexander Sharon mailto: a.sharon@...
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From: "Suzan Wynne" <srwynne@...> To: "Gesher Galicia SIG" <galicia@...> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: administrative districts A very final word on the subject of administrative districts from
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: administrative districts
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Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
Hi,
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I am trying to catch with the summer mail, and Suzan Wynne letter caught my attention, since I have been also involved with the subject of classifying Galicia shtetls. Frankly, I do not understand copyright issue mentioned in Suzan letter. I have in front of me list of all Polish towns gathered during 1928. This is supplement to 1929 Poland 1929 Business Directory. All towns are listed alphabetically, and the districts and Provinces names are listed alongside the town names. In addition, page number where detailed information about town and its business folks can be found is also referenced. Another detailed listing is also provided by the individual Provinces pages, all towns are again listed alphabetically Other deatiled town - district lists like Poland Post Office, are also available. What Austrian publication have messed up initially, has been rectified by the later Polish publications. Alexander Sharon mailto: a.sharon@...
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From: "Suzan Wynne" <srwynne@...> To: "Gesher Galicia SIG" <galicia@...> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: administrative districts A very final word on the subject of administrative districts from
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Re: Sejm voter registration
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Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
Israel,
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Polish constitution of 1919 had no restrictions for Poland citizens over age 18 to became a voters. Persons whose names do not appear on the voters list could reside somewhere else during the election period (or when voting lits have been compiled), or people refused to be registered in the first place. Alexander Sharon mailto: a.sharon@...
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From: "IsraelP" <zach4v6@...> To: "Gesher Galicia SIG" <galicia@...> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: Sejm voter registration The 1934 Sejm voter registration list for Lwow does
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Sejm voter registration
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Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
Israel,
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Polish constitution of 1919 had no restrictions for Poland citizens over age 18 to became a voters. Persons whose names do not appear on the voters list could reside somewhere else during the election period (or when voting lits have been compiled), or people refused to be registered in the first place. Alexander Sharon mailto: a.sharon@...
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From: "IsraelP" <zach4v6@...> To: "Gesher Galicia SIG" <galicia@...> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: Sejm voter registration The 1934 Sejm voter registration list for Lwow does
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watcher...thank you
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Russell Johnson and Sherry Landa <russell.johnson1@...>
Just to say thank you publicly to all those who answered my watcher query
and that you can stop sending me messages about it now! For those who don't know the watcher sits with the body so that it is not unattended until it is buried. Sherry Landa (Salford Lancs)
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N.Y. Death Certificate
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Hymar2@...
Dear Genners,
I want to thank all the Genners who wrote regarding death certificate for Jacob Margolis. Information was very useful and I appreciate your help. Hy Margolis hymar2@...
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen watcher...thank you
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Russell Johnson and Sherry Landa <russell.johnson1@...>
Just to say thank you publicly to all those who answered my watcher query
and that you can stop sending me messages about it now! For those who don't know the watcher sits with the body so that it is not unattended until it is buried. Sherry Landa (Salford Lancs)
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen N.Y. Death Certificate
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Hymar2@...
Dear Genners,
I want to thank all the Genners who wrote regarding death certificate for Jacob Margolis. Information was very useful and I appreciate your help. Hy Margolis hymar2@...
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NY City death certificate
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Gloria Bailey <auletta1@...>
For death certificates in New York, don't forget the Family History Library
(the Mormons). I just looked up your certificate and it can be found on film number 2132430. It says "Vault", but I presume you can still borrow it from your local Family History Library. It might be faster than mailing toNew York City which I understand often takes 6 months or more Cert. no. 21710-23370, 2-26 Nov 1939 VAULT US/CAN Film 2132430 Good Luck. Gloria Auletta Bailey Searching OSHEROWITZ, GINSBERG/GINSBURG and others >from Romanovo or Slutzk and SCHILDKRAUT >from Pagost Subject: Re: N.Y. Death Certificate From: "Diane Jacobs" <kingart@...> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:07:22 -0400 X-Message-Number: 34 Write to the Municipal Archives , 31 Chambers St. , New York, NY (zipcode unknown). I believe it costs $5.00 if you know the certificate number. In any case send them all the information. You may want to check the info files on Jewishgen to get the latest information. Diane jacobs New York My uncle, MARGOLIS, Jacob age 61 died 15 Nov.1939 Kings County, New York----- Original Message ----- From: JewishGen Discussion Group digest <jewishgen@...> To: jewishgen digest recipients <jewishgen@...> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: jewishgen digest: July 28, 2000
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NY City death certificate
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Gloria Bailey <auletta1@...>
For death certificates in New York, don't forget the Family History Library
(the Mormons). I just looked up your certificate and it can be found on film number 2132430. It says "Vault", but I presume you can still borrow it from your local Family History Library. It might be faster than mailing toNew York City which I understand often takes 6 months or more Cert. no. 21710-23370, 2-26 Nov 1939 VAULT US/CAN Film 2132430 Good Luck. Gloria Auletta Bailey Searching OSHEROWITZ, GINSBERG/GINSBURG and others >from Romanovo or Slutzk and SCHILDKRAUT >from Pagost Subject: Re: N.Y. Death Certificate From: "Diane Jacobs" <kingart@...> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:07:22 -0400 X-Message-Number: 34 Write to the Municipal Archives , 31 Chambers St. , New York, NY (zipcode unknown). I believe it costs $5.00 if you know the certificate number. In any case send them all the information. You may want to check the info files on Jewishgen to get the latest information. Diane jacobs New York My uncle, MARGOLIS, Jacob age 61 died 15 Nov.1939 Kings County, New York----- Original Message ----- From: JewishGen Discussion Group digest <jewishgen@...> To: jewishgen digest recipients <jewishgen@...> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: jewishgen digest: July 28, 2000
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Re: On the Ethics and Morals of Genealogy
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Genealicej@...
In a message dated 29/7/00 12:10:21 am, cweinstein@... writes:
<< I guess the best observation I can add to what was already covered in my post (which, in turn, came directly >from the National Genealogical Society web site) is follow the golden rule. "Don't do unto others that which is hateful to you." Amusing stories and anecdotes about dear old tante Feige are one thing; the fact that Uncle Max spent ten years at Leavenworth for embezzling is quite another. If you are going to put up a web page or publish a book with your family history, unless it is truly necessary to the story, derogatory information is not in keeping with Jewish morality and ethics. >> There is a group of people in the UK who claim Richard III, the notorious hunchback King to whom the murder of his two nephews in the Tower of London is attributed, was innocent - a maligned and defamed name. How do we know anything is true, whatever has gone down in the annals of history and the legal verdict? Who know what is history and what is politics equally in "history" and in families? And what is genealogy about? I have made a previous point about the professional issues surrounding broadcast and published biographies where it is known families object to the portrayals. This becomes more muddled when "star" actors are identified with the parts they play and these assumptions have been incorporated into biographies. We read and see personal details of famous people often still living on TV, in books and now on the web all the time. This all creates employment for PR specialists worldwide! When individuals who have not sought fame become involved in the media spotlight for the first time, they often start objecting to newspaper reporters and reports for the first time - even though they have read and enjoyed media reports in the past. I am not judging or criticising them for it. They are trying to protect themselves, as anyone would. But such publication is a fact of life. Chuck WEINSTEIN wisely puts in the words, "unless it is truly necessary to the story". Putting on my hat as a family researcher, I am using genealogy for a specific purpose - to discover new relatives and their descendants, not to circulate gossip which may or may not be "true" or accurate. Ancestors may have criminal convictions. I do not know whether they were guilty or innocent. Ancestors may have been placed in mental institutions. I do not know whether they were mentally ill or whether they were put there for other reasons. But I already know these "stories" and want to find out fresh information. "Onkel Max's" criminal conviction at least is established in the public domain - that's the most one can say - and we know "he spent ten years at Leavenworth for embezzling' while judgements on the laughter value of "amusing anecdotes" about his wife Tante Feige are in the eye and ear of the man - and woman - beholding and listening to them. Sure, we have to make personal decisions about whether to publish (and the key word is publish) on the web and what will be the repercussions on individual lives. But these issues are coming up because the line between personal and public is increasingly blurred. At one time in Britain at least, there was never any talk about "privacy" and the press. The only criteria was whether something was accurate or inaccurate. Now so many people have tools of a trade. A camera, a computer without being professionals. Anyone can take a photo of a celebrity and sell it to the media. Anybody can publish a website. Whether we like it or not, tabloid newspapers, book publishers, professional documentary makers and little 'ol amateur genealogists are facing the same issues, whether or not money is involved. I have posted this e-mail for publication by Jewishgen, as well as sending it privately to Chuck WEINSTEIN. I have a couple of family histories written by a distant relative (not Jewish) who, in my opinion, has struck the happiest medium possible in writing about the family. The histories are jam-packed with information and written in a sentimental, slightly flowery, but fairly bland fashion. I do not know whether this is all a deliberate stylistic ploy but it effectively distances both the reader and writer >from the work. Every so often he inserts words to the effect, "Who are we to judge people's lives, whether their actions were right or wrong, who are we to know the full circumstances, motivations. We only know what is recorded". For "amateurs" publishing personal histories, it is not only about the facts themselves but, as for professional writers, the art of narration, the narrative voice. As an Irish professional comic Frank CARSON says, "It's the way you tell 'em". To quote >from another Irishman Oscar WILDE "The Truth is never pure and never simple". Of course when I quote this anecdote attributed to WILDE, I am aware of another anecdote. WILDE telling the American painter James WHISTLER in alleged admiration and envy, "I wish I had said that" and receiving the reply, "You will, Oscar, you will ...". Of course history may not have recorded whether it was actually "WHISTLER's Mother" who made the original quip ... These are all issues which will run and run. Ironically it does become an intensely personal decision with public repercussions whether to publish and or not to publish and how to frame a narrative. And an intensely personal decision whether or not to be offended. Alice Josephs Loughton Essex UK
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: On the Ethics and Morals of Genealogy
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Genealicej@...
In a message dated 29/7/00 12:10:21 am, cweinstein@... writes:
<< I guess the best observation I can add to what was already covered in my post (which, in turn, came directly >from the National Genealogical Society web site) is follow the golden rule. "Don't do unto others that which is hateful to you." Amusing stories and anecdotes about dear old tante Feige are one thing; the fact that Uncle Max spent ten years at Leavenworth for embezzling is quite another. If you are going to put up a web page or publish a book with your family history, unless it is truly necessary to the story, derogatory information is not in keeping with Jewish morality and ethics. >> There is a group of people in the UK who claim Richard III, the notorious hunchback King to whom the murder of his two nephews in the Tower of London is attributed, was innocent - a maligned and defamed name. How do we know anything is true, whatever has gone down in the annals of history and the legal verdict? Who know what is history and what is politics equally in "history" and in families? And what is genealogy about? I have made a previous point about the professional issues surrounding broadcast and published biographies where it is known families object to the portrayals. This becomes more muddled when "star" actors are identified with the parts they play and these assumptions have been incorporated into biographies. We read and see personal details of famous people often still living on TV, in books and now on the web all the time. This all creates employment for PR specialists worldwide! When individuals who have not sought fame become involved in the media spotlight for the first time, they often start objecting to newspaper reporters and reports for the first time - even though they have read and enjoyed media reports in the past. I am not judging or criticising them for it. They are trying to protect themselves, as anyone would. But such publication is a fact of life. Chuck WEINSTEIN wisely puts in the words, "unless it is truly necessary to the story". Putting on my hat as a family researcher, I am using genealogy for a specific purpose - to discover new relatives and their descendants, not to circulate gossip which may or may not be "true" or accurate. Ancestors may have criminal convictions. I do not know whether they were guilty or innocent. Ancestors may have been placed in mental institutions. I do not know whether they were mentally ill or whether they were put there for other reasons. But I already know these "stories" and want to find out fresh information. "Onkel Max's" criminal conviction at least is established in the public domain - that's the most one can say - and we know "he spent ten years at Leavenworth for embezzling' while judgements on the laughter value of "amusing anecdotes" about his wife Tante Feige are in the eye and ear of the man - and woman - beholding and listening to them. Sure, we have to make personal decisions about whether to publish (and the key word is publish) on the web and what will be the repercussions on individual lives. But these issues are coming up because the line between personal and public is increasingly blurred. At one time in Britain at least, there was never any talk about "privacy" and the press. The only criteria was whether something was accurate or inaccurate. Now so many people have tools of a trade. A camera, a computer without being professionals. Anyone can take a photo of a celebrity and sell it to the media. Anybody can publish a website. Whether we like it or not, tabloid newspapers, book publishers, professional documentary makers and little 'ol amateur genealogists are facing the same issues, whether or not money is involved. I have posted this e-mail for publication by Jewishgen, as well as sending it privately to Chuck WEINSTEIN. I have a couple of family histories written by a distant relative (not Jewish) who, in my opinion, has struck the happiest medium possible in writing about the family. The histories are jam-packed with information and written in a sentimental, slightly flowery, but fairly bland fashion. I do not know whether this is all a deliberate stylistic ploy but it effectively distances both the reader and writer >from the work. Every so often he inserts words to the effect, "Who are we to judge people's lives, whether their actions were right or wrong, who are we to know the full circumstances, motivations. We only know what is recorded". For "amateurs" publishing personal histories, it is not only about the facts themselves but, as for professional writers, the art of narration, the narrative voice. As an Irish professional comic Frank CARSON says, "It's the way you tell 'em". To quote >from another Irishman Oscar WILDE "The Truth is never pure and never simple". Of course when I quote this anecdote attributed to WILDE, I am aware of another anecdote. WILDE telling the American painter James WHISTLER in alleged admiration and envy, "I wish I had said that" and receiving the reply, "You will, Oscar, you will ...". Of course history may not have recorded whether it was actually "WHISTLER's Mother" who made the original quip ... These are all issues which will run and run. Ironically it does become an intensely personal decision with public repercussions whether to publish and or not to publish and how to frame a narrative. And an intensely personal decision whether or not to be offended. Alice Josephs Loughton Essex UK
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