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Syllabus from Salt Lake Conference #general

rmjb@...
 

How does one order a copy of the Syllabus >from the Salt Lake City Conference?

David Blank
Jerusalem

MODERATOR NOTE: Please contact Howard Margol, President of IAJGS, at
HOMargol@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Syllabus from Salt Lake Conference #general

rmjb@...
 

How does one order a copy of the Syllabus >from the Salt Lake City Conference?

David Blank
Jerusalem

MODERATOR NOTE: Please contact Howard Margol, President of IAJGS, at
HOMargol@...


SUSSKIND-STUTTGART #general

martin susskind <susskind@...>
 

I am new at this.
My father Hans SUSSKIND was born in Stuttgart on 02/04/1905.

His father Alfred SUSSKIND was born in Stuttgart on 06/08/1875
and he married my gm Martha LEUBUSCHER who was born on the 10/04/1876-
they married in Oppeln on 29/01/1900.

My ggf was born in Schlesien? on 18/07/1842 hes name was Jacob SUSSKIND
and he married Mathilde STRAUSS.

His father I think was Philip Susskind who was married to Herietta EPSTEIN??

My father fled Germany to Cape Town,S/Africa in 1936 and lived there
until he passed away in 1993. His father Alfred also left for Cape
Town in 1939 and died a few days after arriving there.

My dad had 2 sisters Gretl SUSSKIND who lived in London and Lisl SECKEL
who lived in Bulawayo,Rhodesia.

I live in Melbourne,Australia,and would be very pleased if anyone
could help me trace any further info on my family.Other possible
family names connected are SOLINGER,BYTINSKY,BAER SACHS,GOLDSMIDT,CASSIERER,SCENIDER
and GOLDSTEIN.

My details are-Martin SUSSKIND-susskind@...
Melbourne,Australia.

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) is a searchable
database which connects people who are searching the same ancestral
towns and surnames. It is found at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/
Have you entered all your surnames for others to find?
Another way to go about this is to start with our homepage at
http://www.jewishgen.org and scroll down unitl you find the JGFF.
Along the way take advantage of the many other things that JewishGen
has to offer in the way of researching our ancestors.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SUSSKIND-STUTTGART #general

martin susskind <susskind@...>
 

I am new at this.
My father Hans SUSSKIND was born in Stuttgart on 02/04/1905.

His father Alfred SUSSKIND was born in Stuttgart on 06/08/1875
and he married my gm Martha LEUBUSCHER who was born on the 10/04/1876-
they married in Oppeln on 29/01/1900.

My ggf was born in Schlesien? on 18/07/1842 hes name was Jacob SUSSKIND
and he married Mathilde STRAUSS.

His father I think was Philip Susskind who was married to Herietta EPSTEIN??

My father fled Germany to Cape Town,S/Africa in 1936 and lived there
until he passed away in 1993. His father Alfred also left for Cape
Town in 1939 and died a few days after arriving there.

My dad had 2 sisters Gretl SUSSKIND who lived in London and Lisl SECKEL
who lived in Bulawayo,Rhodesia.

I live in Melbourne,Australia,and would be very pleased if anyone
could help me trace any further info on my family.Other possible
family names connected are SOLINGER,BYTINSKY,BAER SACHS,GOLDSMIDT,CASSIERER,SCENIDER
and GOLDSTEIN.

My details are-Martin SUSSKIND-susskind@...
Melbourne,Australia.

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) is a searchable
database which connects people who are searching the same ancestral
towns and surnames. It is found at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/
Have you entered all your surnames for others to find?
Another way to go about this is to start with our homepage at
http://www.jewishgen.org and scroll down unitl you find the JGFF.
Along the way take advantage of the many other things that JewishGen
has to offer in the way of researching our ancestors.


Uncle Moses / Rosie #yiddish

Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
 

So I'm trying to figure out how I might ascertain which is which, and
this is what I've come up with so far: The film is based on a 1918
Sholom Asch novel (also entitled _Uncle Moses_) , and that
might/should/surely would identify the characters by name -
wouldn't it? (Please!) So I thought I'd ask whether any of you good
Gentlepeople have access to this novel, and the time to check to
see which character Rosie is. I'd be wonderfully grateful.
Rosie is Aaron Melnik's wife, Masha's mother. There's a description
of her in the first chapter of the novel. I hope that helps.

--
Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@...
Newton, Mass.

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Tavrig)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Uncle Moses / Rosie #yiddish

Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
 

So I'm trying to figure out how I might ascertain which is which, and
this is what I've come up with so far: The film is based on a 1918
Sholom Asch novel (also entitled _Uncle Moses_) , and that
might/should/surely would identify the characters by name -
wouldn't it? (Please!) So I thought I'd ask whether any of you good
Gentlepeople have access to this novel, and the time to check to
see which character Rosie is. I'd be wonderfully grateful.
Rosie is Aaron Melnik's wife, Masha's mother. There's a description
of her in the first chapter of the novel. I hope that helps.

--
Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@...
Newton, Mass.

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Tavrig)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Pinkas HaKehillot #galicia

Joyce Field <jfield@...>
 

In response to the offer by Connie Shertz to share a translation >from
the Pinkas HaKehillot, I want to inform everyone that those books
have a closely held copyright by Yad Vashem, which will not give
permission to publish translations as they are planning to publish
their own translations with New York University Press in abridged
volumes.

Therefore, Connie's translations cannot appear anywhere on the
JewishGen web site as this would constitute copyright infringement.

Joyce Field
jfield@...

--
Joyce Field
jfield@...
jfield@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Pinkas HaKehillot #galicia

Joyce Field <jfield@...>
 

In response to the offer by Connie Shertz to share a translation >from
the Pinkas HaKehillot, I want to inform everyone that those books
have a closely held copyright by Yad Vashem, which will not give
permission to publish translations as they are planning to publish
their own translations with New York University Press in abridged
volumes.

Therefore, Connie's translations cannot appear anywhere on the
JewishGen web site as this would constitute copyright infringement.

Joyce Field
jfield@...

--
Joyce Field
jfield@...
jfield@...


Re: administrative districts #galicia

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Hi,

I am trying to catch with the summer mail, and Suzan Wynne letter caught my
attention, since I have been also involved with the subject of classifying
Galicia shtetls.
Frankly, I do not understand copyright issue mentioned in Suzan letter.

I have in front of me list of all Polish towns gathered during 1928. This is
supplement to 1929 Poland 1929 Business Directory. All towns are listed
alphabetically, and the districts and Provinces names are listed alongside
the town names. In addition, page number where detailed information about
town and its business folks can be found is also referenced.

Another detailed listing is also provided by the individual Provinces pages,
all towns are again listed alphabetically
Other deatiled town - district lists like Poland Post Office, are also
available. What Austrian publication have messed up initially, has been
rectified by the later Polish publications.


Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Suzan Wynne" <srwynne@...>
To: "Gesher Galicia SIG" <galicia@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 7:23 AM
Subject: administrative districts


A very final word on the subject of administrative districts from
me....I promise that I will stop beating this poor dead horse in a
minute. Robert Strumwasser points out correctly that information is not
copyrighted. However, he missed the point that I was making which was
that the Austrian government published information about the
administrative districts by listing the main districts alphabetically,
with the subdistricts within each district, also listed alphabetically.
Within each subdistrict they listed the towns that belonged in the
subdistrict in a very rough alphabetical format.

It was extremely frustrating to genealogists to try to use this format
since if you wanted to know what administrative district/subdistrict
your town was in, you had to comb the entire list of about 30,000
towns. I spent a couple of years (on an occasional basis) computering
the list so that I could provide information to the people who were
writing to me (this was years before the Internet was available to the
general public) to ask about their towns. Then, Gary Mokotoff wanted to
put the list on his mainframe and so he paid for data entry clerks to
reenter the list again....twice, as is the procedure for doing this sort
of thing. He then generated a microfiche that Avotaynu sells. When I
decided to compile a book to help Jews research their Galician
ancestors, he and I decided to include the computerized listing in the
book. Since the microfiche version had errors, I reentered all of the
towns again! This is the list that is copyrighted by me.

What I have offered to do is to help the leaders of the individual
town/regional groups with the ORIGINAL list, which is not copyrighted.
It would be useful for these leaders to know which towns were in each of
the subdistricts/main districts so that there would not be overlap. The
list exists only in my house and in the microfilm that the Mormons have
of the little volume published by the Austrians. The print is extremely
hard to read. Some of the towns have endings: "ce" and some have
endings "ec" and you must have an alternative source of information to
know which is correct because the print style does not permit easy
discrimination.

It would probably be helpful for the listing in this form to be
reproduced. I do not have time to do this task, but would be happy to
provide a copy of what I have to someone who wants to undertake it.
Judging on how long it took me to create the final list that is in the
book, it would probably take about two full weeks of data entry.

Again, please keep in mind that Brian Lenius, who had a similar listing
by the Austrian government for Catholic parishes, and all the other
lists that are currently available have published non-Jewish lists. The
Jewish list sometimes overlaps but there are striking differences in
some cases. The reason for this was religious politics since the people
who maintained the registers were rabbis who were hired by the Austrian
government. You can imagine....

Suzan Wynne
Kensington, MD


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: administrative districts #galicia

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Hi,

I am trying to catch with the summer mail, and Suzan Wynne letter caught my
attention, since I have been also involved with the subject of classifying
Galicia shtetls.
Frankly, I do not understand copyright issue mentioned in Suzan letter.

I have in front of me list of all Polish towns gathered during 1928. This is
supplement to 1929 Poland 1929 Business Directory. All towns are listed
alphabetically, and the districts and Provinces names are listed alongside
the town names. In addition, page number where detailed information about
town and its business folks can be found is also referenced.

Another detailed listing is also provided by the individual Provinces pages,
all towns are again listed alphabetically
Other deatiled town - district lists like Poland Post Office, are also
available. What Austrian publication have messed up initially, has been
rectified by the later Polish publications.


Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Suzan Wynne" <srwynne@...>
To: "Gesher Galicia SIG" <galicia@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 7:23 AM
Subject: administrative districts


A very final word on the subject of administrative districts from
me....I promise that I will stop beating this poor dead horse in a
minute. Robert Strumwasser points out correctly that information is not
copyrighted. However, he missed the point that I was making which was
that the Austrian government published information about the
administrative districts by listing the main districts alphabetically,
with the subdistricts within each district, also listed alphabetically.
Within each subdistrict they listed the towns that belonged in the
subdistrict in a very rough alphabetical format.

It was extremely frustrating to genealogists to try to use this format
since if you wanted to know what administrative district/subdistrict
your town was in, you had to comb the entire list of about 30,000
towns. I spent a couple of years (on an occasional basis) computering
the list so that I could provide information to the people who were
writing to me (this was years before the Internet was available to the
general public) to ask about their towns. Then, Gary Mokotoff wanted to
put the list on his mainframe and so he paid for data entry clerks to
reenter the list again....twice, as is the procedure for doing this sort
of thing. He then generated a microfiche that Avotaynu sells. When I
decided to compile a book to help Jews research their Galician
ancestors, he and I decided to include the computerized listing in the
book. Since the microfiche version had errors, I reentered all of the
towns again! This is the list that is copyrighted by me.

What I have offered to do is to help the leaders of the individual
town/regional groups with the ORIGINAL list, which is not copyrighted.
It would be useful for these leaders to know which towns were in each of
the subdistricts/main districts so that there would not be overlap. The
list exists only in my house and in the microfilm that the Mormons have
of the little volume published by the Austrians. The print is extremely
hard to read. Some of the towns have endings: "ce" and some have
endings "ec" and you must have an alternative source of information to
know which is correct because the print style does not permit easy
discrimination.

It would probably be helpful for the listing in this form to be
reproduced. I do not have time to do this task, but would be happy to
provide a copy of what I have to someone who wants to undertake it.
Judging on how long it took me to create the final list that is in the
book, it would probably take about two full weeks of data entry.

Again, please keep in mind that Brian Lenius, who had a similar listing
by the Austrian government for Catholic parishes, and all the other
lists that are currently available have published non-Jewish lists. The
Jewish list sometimes overlaps but there are striking differences in
some cases. The reason for this was religious politics since the people
who maintained the registers were rabbis who were hired by the Austrian
government. You can imagine....

Suzan Wynne
Kensington, MD


Re: Sejm voter registration #galicia

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Israel,

Polish constitution of 1919 had no restrictions for Poland citizens over
age 18 to became a voters. Persons whose names do not appear on the voters
list could reside somewhere else during the election period (or when voting
lits have been compiled), or people refused to be registered in the first
place.

Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "IsraelP" <zach4v6@...>
To: "Gesher Galicia SIG" <galicia@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 11:35 AM
Subject: Sejm voter registration


The 1934 Sejm voter registration list for Lwow does
not include certain adults who we know lived in Lwow
for some years before that but were born elsewhere
in East Galicia (such as Tarnopol). In other words,
they should definitely have been eligible to vote,
but would they have been registered someplace they
hadn't lived for years?

Israel Pickholtz
Elazar
Gush Etzion


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Sejm voter registration #galicia

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Israel,

Polish constitution of 1919 had no restrictions for Poland citizens over
age 18 to became a voters. Persons whose names do not appear on the voters
list could reside somewhere else during the election period (or when voting
lits have been compiled), or people refused to be registered in the first
place.

Alexander Sharon
mailto: a.sharon@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "IsraelP" <zach4v6@...>
To: "Gesher Galicia SIG" <galicia@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 11:35 AM
Subject: Sejm voter registration


The 1934 Sejm voter registration list for Lwow does
not include certain adults who we know lived in Lwow
for some years before that but were born elsewhere
in East Galicia (such as Tarnopol). In other words,
they should definitely have been eligible to vote,
but would they have been registered someplace they
hadn't lived for years?

Israel Pickholtz
Elazar
Gush Etzion


watcher...thank you #general

Russell Johnson and Sherry Landa <russell.johnson1@...>
 

Just to say thank you publicly to all those who answered my watcher query
and that you can stop sending me messages about it now!

For those who don't know the watcher sits with the body so that it is not
unattended until it is buried.

Sherry Landa (Salford Lancs)


N.Y. Death Certificate #general

Hymar2@...
 

Dear Genners,
I want to thank all the Genners who wrote regarding death certificate for
Jacob Margolis. Information was very useful and I appreciate your help.
Hy Margolis
hymar2@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen watcher...thank you #general

Russell Johnson and Sherry Landa <russell.johnson1@...>
 

Just to say thank you publicly to all those who answered my watcher query
and that you can stop sending me messages about it now!

For those who don't know the watcher sits with the body so that it is not
unattended until it is buried.

Sherry Landa (Salford Lancs)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen N.Y. Death Certificate #general

Hymar2@...
 

Dear Genners,
I want to thank all the Genners who wrote regarding death certificate for
Jacob Margolis. Information was very useful and I appreciate your help.
Hy Margolis
hymar2@...


NY City death certificate #general

Gloria Bailey <auletta1@...>
 

For death certificates in New York, don't forget the Family History Library
(the Mormons). I just looked up your certificate and it can be found on
film number 2132430. It says "Vault", but I presume you can still borrow it
from your local Family History Library. It might be faster than mailing to
New York City which I understand often takes 6 months or more

Cert. no. 21710-23370, 2-26 Nov 1939 VAULT US/CAN Film 2132430

Good Luck.

Gloria Auletta Bailey
Searching OSHEROWITZ, GINSBERG/GINSBURG and others >from Romanovo or Slutzk
and SCHILDKRAUT >from Pagost

Subject: Re: N.Y. Death Certificate
From: "Diane Jacobs" <kingart@...>
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:07:22 -0400
X-Message-Number: 34

Write to the Municipal Archives , 31 Chambers St. , New York, NY
(zipcode unknown). I believe it costs $5.00 if you know the certificate
number. In any case send them all the information. You may want
to check the info files on Jewishgen to get the latest information.

Diane jacobs
New York

My uncle, MARGOLIS, Jacob age 61 died 15 Nov.1939 Kings County, New York
certificate # 22770.
Can someone let me know how and where I can obtain a copy of this
certificate? I hope to find out where he was buried and possibly other
information about other family members.
kindly reply privately to Hy Margolis : hymar2@...
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To: jewishgen digest recipients <jewishgen@...>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 10:00 PM
Subject: jewishgen digest: July 28, 2000


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NY City death certificate #general

Gloria Bailey <auletta1@...>
 

For death certificates in New York, don't forget the Family History Library
(the Mormons). I just looked up your certificate and it can be found on
film number 2132430. It says "Vault", but I presume you can still borrow it
from your local Family History Library. It might be faster than mailing to
New York City which I understand often takes 6 months or more

Cert. no. 21710-23370, 2-26 Nov 1939 VAULT US/CAN Film 2132430

Good Luck.

Gloria Auletta Bailey
Searching OSHEROWITZ, GINSBERG/GINSBURG and others >from Romanovo or Slutzk
and SCHILDKRAUT >from Pagost

Subject: Re: N.Y. Death Certificate
From: "Diane Jacobs" <kingart@...>
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:07:22 -0400
X-Message-Number: 34

Write to the Municipal Archives , 31 Chambers St. , New York, NY
(zipcode unknown). I believe it costs $5.00 if you know the certificate
number. In any case send them all the information. You may want
to check the info files on Jewishgen to get the latest information.

Diane jacobs
New York

My uncle, MARGOLIS, Jacob age 61 died 15 Nov.1939 Kings County, New York
certificate # 22770.
Can someone let me know how and where I can obtain a copy of this
certificate? I hope to find out where he was buried and possibly other
information about other family members.
kindly reply privately to Hy Margolis : hymar2@...
----- Original Message -----
From: JewishGen Discussion Group digest <jewishgen@...>
To: jewishgen digest recipients <jewishgen@...>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 10:00 PM
Subject: jewishgen digest: July 28, 2000


Re: On the Ethics and Morals of Genealogy #general

Genealicej@...
 

In a message dated 29/7/00 12:10:21 am, cweinstein@... writes:

<< I guess the best observation I can add to what was already covered in my
post (which, in turn, came directly >from the National Genealogical
Society web site) is follow the golden rule. "Don't do unto others that
which is hateful to you." Amusing stories and anecdotes about dear old
tante Feige are one thing; the fact that Uncle Max spent ten years at
Leavenworth for embezzling is quite another. If you are going to put up
a web page or publish a book with your family history, unless it is
truly necessary to the story, derogatory information is not in keeping
with Jewish morality and ethics. >>

There is a group of people in the UK who claim Richard III, the notorious
hunchback King to whom the murder of his two nephews in the Tower of
London is attributed, was innocent - a maligned and defamed name.

How do we know anything is true, whatever has gone down in the annals
of history and the legal verdict? Who know what is history and what
is politics equally in "history" and in families? And what is genealogy
about?

I have made a previous point about the professional issues surrounding
broadcast and published biographies where it is known families object to
the portrayals. This becomes more muddled when "star" actors are
identified with the parts they play and these assumptions have been
incorporated into biographies.

We read and see personal details of famous people often still living on
TV, in books and now on the web all the time. This all creates employment
for PR specialists worldwide!

When individuals who have not sought fame become involved in the media
spotlight for the first time, they often start objecting to newspaper
reporters and reports for the first time - even though they have read and
enjoyed media reports in the past. I am not judging or criticising them for
it. They are trying to protect themselves, as anyone would. But such
publication is a fact of life.

Chuck WEINSTEIN wisely puts in the words, "unless it is truly necessary
to the story". Putting on my hat as a family researcher, I am using genealogy
for a specific purpose - to discover new relatives and their descendants,
not to circulate gossip which may or may not be "true" or accurate.

Ancestors may have criminal convictions. I do not know whether they
were guilty or innocent. Ancestors may have been placed in mental
institutions. I do not know whether they were mentally ill or
whether they were put there for other reasons. But I already know
these "stories" and want to find out fresh information.

"Onkel Max's" criminal conviction at least is established in the public domain
- that's the most one can say - and we know "he spent ten years at
Leavenworth
for embezzling' while judgements on the laughter value of "amusing anecdotes"
about his wife Tante Feige are in the eye and ear of the man - and woman -
beholding and listening to them.

Sure, we have to make personal decisions about whether to publish (and the
key word is publish) on the web and what will be the repercussions on
individual lives. But these issues are coming up because the line between
personal and public is increasingly blurred. At one time in Britain
at least, there was never any talk about "privacy" and the press. The only
criteria was whether something was accurate or inaccurate.

Now so many people have tools of a trade. A camera, a computer without
being professionals. Anyone can take a photo of a celebrity and sell it to
the
media. Anybody can publish a website. Whether we like it or not, tabloid
newspapers, book publishers, professional documentary makers and
little 'ol amateur genealogists are facing the same issues, whether or
not money is involved. I have posted this e-mail for publication by
Jewishgen, as well as sending it privately to Chuck WEINSTEIN.

I have a couple of family histories written by a distant relative (not
Jewish) who, in my opinion, has struck the happiest medium possible
in writing about the family. The histories are jam-packed with
information and written in a sentimental, slightly flowery, but fairly
bland fashion. I do not know whether this is all a deliberate stylistic ploy
but it effectively distances both the reader and writer >from the work.

Every so often he inserts words to the effect, "Who are we to
judge people's lives, whether their actions were right or wrong, who
are we to know the full circumstances, motivations. We only know
what is recorded". For "amateurs" publishing personal histories,
it is not only about the facts themselves but, as for professional
writers, the art of narration, the narrative voice. As an Irish
professional comic Frank CARSON says, "It's the way you tell 'em".

To quote >from another Irishman Oscar WILDE "The Truth is never pure
and never simple". Of course when I quote this anecdote attributed to
WILDE, I am aware of another anecdote. WILDE telling the American
painter James WHISTLER in alleged admiration and envy, "I wish
I had said that" and receiving the reply, "You will, Oscar, you will ...".

Of course history may not have recorded whether it
was actually "WHISTLER's Mother" who made the original quip ...

These are all issues which will run and run. Ironically it does
become an intensely personal decision with public repercussions
whether to publish and or not to publish and how to frame a
narrative. And an intensely personal decision whether or not
to be offended.

Alice Josephs
Loughton
Essex
UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: On the Ethics and Morals of Genealogy #general

Genealicej@...
 

In a message dated 29/7/00 12:10:21 am, cweinstein@... writes:

<< I guess the best observation I can add to what was already covered in my
post (which, in turn, came directly >from the National Genealogical
Society web site) is follow the golden rule. "Don't do unto others that
which is hateful to you." Amusing stories and anecdotes about dear old
tante Feige are one thing; the fact that Uncle Max spent ten years at
Leavenworth for embezzling is quite another. If you are going to put up
a web page or publish a book with your family history, unless it is
truly necessary to the story, derogatory information is not in keeping
with Jewish morality and ethics. >>

There is a group of people in the UK who claim Richard III, the notorious
hunchback King to whom the murder of his two nephews in the Tower of
London is attributed, was innocent - a maligned and defamed name.

How do we know anything is true, whatever has gone down in the annals
of history and the legal verdict? Who know what is history and what
is politics equally in "history" and in families? And what is genealogy
about?

I have made a previous point about the professional issues surrounding
broadcast and published biographies where it is known families object to
the portrayals. This becomes more muddled when "star" actors are
identified with the parts they play and these assumptions have been
incorporated into biographies.

We read and see personal details of famous people often still living on
TV, in books and now on the web all the time. This all creates employment
for PR specialists worldwide!

When individuals who have not sought fame become involved in the media
spotlight for the first time, they often start objecting to newspaper
reporters and reports for the first time - even though they have read and
enjoyed media reports in the past. I am not judging or criticising them for
it. They are trying to protect themselves, as anyone would. But such
publication is a fact of life.

Chuck WEINSTEIN wisely puts in the words, "unless it is truly necessary
to the story". Putting on my hat as a family researcher, I am using genealogy
for a specific purpose - to discover new relatives and their descendants,
not to circulate gossip which may or may not be "true" or accurate.

Ancestors may have criminal convictions. I do not know whether they
were guilty or innocent. Ancestors may have been placed in mental
institutions. I do not know whether they were mentally ill or
whether they were put there for other reasons. But I already know
these "stories" and want to find out fresh information.

"Onkel Max's" criminal conviction at least is established in the public domain
- that's the most one can say - and we know "he spent ten years at
Leavenworth
for embezzling' while judgements on the laughter value of "amusing anecdotes"
about his wife Tante Feige are in the eye and ear of the man - and woman -
beholding and listening to them.

Sure, we have to make personal decisions about whether to publish (and the
key word is publish) on the web and what will be the repercussions on
individual lives. But these issues are coming up because the line between
personal and public is increasingly blurred. At one time in Britain
at least, there was never any talk about "privacy" and the press. The only
criteria was whether something was accurate or inaccurate.

Now so many people have tools of a trade. A camera, a computer without
being professionals. Anyone can take a photo of a celebrity and sell it to
the
media. Anybody can publish a website. Whether we like it or not, tabloid
newspapers, book publishers, professional documentary makers and
little 'ol amateur genealogists are facing the same issues, whether or
not money is involved. I have posted this e-mail for publication by
Jewishgen, as well as sending it privately to Chuck WEINSTEIN.

I have a couple of family histories written by a distant relative (not
Jewish) who, in my opinion, has struck the happiest medium possible
in writing about the family. The histories are jam-packed with
information and written in a sentimental, slightly flowery, but fairly
bland fashion. I do not know whether this is all a deliberate stylistic ploy
but it effectively distances both the reader and writer >from the work.

Every so often he inserts words to the effect, "Who are we to
judge people's lives, whether their actions were right or wrong, who
are we to know the full circumstances, motivations. We only know
what is recorded". For "amateurs" publishing personal histories,
it is not only about the facts themselves but, as for professional
writers, the art of narration, the narrative voice. As an Irish
professional comic Frank CARSON says, "It's the way you tell 'em".

To quote >from another Irishman Oscar WILDE "The Truth is never pure
and never simple". Of course when I quote this anecdote attributed to
WILDE, I am aware of another anecdote. WILDE telling the American
painter James WHISTLER in alleged admiration and envy, "I wish
I had said that" and receiving the reply, "You will, Oscar, you will ...".

Of course history may not have recorded whether it
was actually "WHISTLER's Mother" who made the original quip ...

These are all issues which will run and run. Ironically it does
become an intensely personal decision with public repercussions
whether to publish and or not to publish and how to frame a
narrative. And an intensely personal decision whether or not
to be offended.

Alice Josephs
Loughton
Essex
UK