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How Using Maps Can Help Your Family Research A New JGSLI Video #general

Nolan Altman
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island (JGSLI), winner of the IAJGS
2015 Outstanding Publication Award for its You Tube Channel, is pleased to
announce its latest video, "How Using Maps Can Help Your Family Research".

Maps can be a great way to make sense of place name information from
documents you find in your research. They can also be useful in providing
clues to where you might find additional information on your family. This
video will provide some ideas on how using maps can help your research.

You can access all 30 of our short instructional videos directly >from our
You Tube Channel at
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUV8xttIn93AwJX2_I0AIAg/feed or >from our
website http://jgsli.org/ If you have any comments or recommendations for
other topics, please let me know at past_pres@jgsli.org

Nolan Altman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How Using Maps Can Help Your Family Research A New JGSLI Video #general

Nolan Altman
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island (JGSLI), winner of the IAJGS
2015 Outstanding Publication Award for its You Tube Channel, is pleased to
announce its latest video, "How Using Maps Can Help Your Family Research".

Maps can be a great way to make sense of place name information from
documents you find in your research. They can also be useful in providing
clues to where you might find additional information on your family. This
video will provide some ideas on how using maps can help your research.

You can access all 30 of our short instructional videos directly >from our
You Tube Channel at
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUV8xttIn93AwJX2_I0AIAg/feed or >from our
website http://jgsli.org/ If you have any comments or recommendations for
other topics, please let me know at past_pres@jgsli.org

Nolan Altman


SKLOWER Family of Breslau #germany

Stephen Falk <sfalkjd@...>
 

I am hoping to find the expert on the genealogy of the rabbinic
SKLOWER family of Breslau. The family came to Breslau in the late
1700s >from Sklow (not surprisingly). R. Marcus (Mordechai) SKLOWER
(ca.1715-1780) was a rabbi in Breslau. He was the father of Hirsch,
Samson and probably Jacob SKLOWER.

The Sklower Schul on the Goldene Rade Gasse in Breslau was a strict
orthodox congregation that parts of my FALK family were associated
with for generations. It was founded by R. Marcus SKLOWER and named
after him.

I am particularly interested in learning more about the descendants of
R. Marcus SKLOWER;s children. I have traced many lines for one or two
or a few generations, but generally I have lost the trails. I am
hoping someone has already explored this family, either because they
are part of it, or just because it is an interesting family.

All the best, Stephen Falk, Point Roberts, WA sfalkjd@gmail.com


German SIG #Germany SKLOWER Family of Breslau #germany

Stephen Falk <sfalkjd@...>
 

I am hoping to find the expert on the genealogy of the rabbinic
SKLOWER family of Breslau. The family came to Breslau in the late
1700s >from Sklow (not surprisingly). R. Marcus (Mordechai) SKLOWER
(ca.1715-1780) was a rabbi in Breslau. He was the father of Hirsch,
Samson and probably Jacob SKLOWER.

The Sklower Schul on the Goldene Rade Gasse in Breslau was a strict
orthodox congregation that parts of my FALK family were associated
with for generations. It was founded by R. Marcus SKLOWER and named
after him.

I am particularly interested in learning more about the descendants of
R. Marcus SKLOWER;s children. I have traced many lines for one or two
or a few generations, but generally I have lost the trails. I am
hoping someone has already explored this family, either because they
are part of it, or just because it is an interesting family.

All the best, Stephen Falk, Point Roberts, WA sfalkjd@gmail.com


Re: Entries in the new NYC (pre 1930) marriage license database, that don't have NYC marriage certificates. #general

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Renee - The unfortunate problem with the message 1967 licenses, has been
noted, on the Reclaim the Records www.nycmarriageindex.com website.

My question, which Allan Jordan gave one answer to, was why marriage
certificate themselves would be missing, >from the pre 1930 era. He
said that it was an honor system, for the officiant to send them in.
Since I had never encountered missing marriages certificates for
marriages that occurred in other states, for that time perioed, I was
surprised to hear that this could have been happening in NYC. I'm
curious if anyone else has discovered a similar issue, with any
marriages that occurred in NYC, pre 1930, and whether they have obtained
the license, to see if the marriage did indeed occur NYC. Thanks.

Mark London
Natick, MA

genmaven@gmail.com wrote:

Mark London <mrl@psfc.mit.edu> wrote about NYC marriage license
applications now indexed on Ancestry for which there are no NYC
corresponding certificates. I've encountered another problem: missing
listings of licenses obtained in NYC. I'm quite sure of one of them
because I was the bride! The license was undoubtedly issued in the
Manhattan Marriage License Bureau in (yikes!) June 1967: I have a
paper copy of the license, obtained last year, not to mention a
50-year-old souvenir pen!


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Entries in the new NYC (pre 1930) marriage license database, that don't have NYC marriage certificates. #general

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Renee - The unfortunate problem with the message 1967 licenses, has been
noted, on the Reclaim the Records www.nycmarriageindex.com website.

My question, which Allan Jordan gave one answer to, was why marriage
certificate themselves would be missing, >from the pre 1930 era. He
said that it was an honor system, for the officiant to send them in.
Since I had never encountered missing marriages certificates for
marriages that occurred in other states, for that time perioed, I was
surprised to hear that this could have been happening in NYC. I'm
curious if anyone else has discovered a similar issue, with any
marriages that occurred in NYC, pre 1930, and whether they have obtained
the license, to see if the marriage did indeed occur NYC. Thanks.

Mark London
Natick, MA

genmaven@gmail.com wrote:

Mark London <mrl@psfc.mit.edu> wrote about NYC marriage license
applications now indexed on Ancestry for which there are no NYC
corresponding certificates. I've encountered another problem: missing
listings of licenses obtained in NYC. I'm quite sure of one of them
because I was the bride! The license was undoubtedly issued in the
Manhattan Marriage License Bureau in (yikes!) June 1967: I have a
paper copy of the license, obtained last year, not to mention a
50-year-old souvenir pen!


Re: Mother and son share a tombstone--is it possible? #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I was at a meeting where the head of cemetery regulations (I don't remember his exact
title) for New York State spoke. Up to 3 people could be buried in the same grave,
he told us - it doesn't matter who they are, as long as the deed-holder gives
permission. So, for New York, at least, it is certainly possible.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Mother and son share a tombstone--is it possible? #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I was at a meeting where the head of cemetery regulations (I don't remember his exact
title) for New York State spoke. Up to 3 people could be buried in the same grave,
he told us - it doesn't matter who they are, as long as the deed-holder gives
permission. So, for New York, at least, it is certainly possible.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Re: ukraine digest: May 31, 2017 #ukraine

Larry Horwitz <larryhorwitz@...>
 

I don't think I've ever used JriNfPost but I also don't know what that is.
I'd hate to lose the opportunity to use it without knowing much about it.
Could you send me something that describes what this is.

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: ukraine digest: May 31, 2017 #ukraine

Larry Horwitz <larryhorwitz@...>
 

I don't think I've ever used JriNfPost but I also don't know what that is.
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Photo identification #france

Abby Menashe
 

This image is of the TOPOROSKY(sp?)family and their descendants and
can be found on viewmate at:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=28200>

They had lived in Paris in the 1930's and may have moved to Israeljust
prior to WWIl. The matriarch's maiden name was ORZHECHOVSKY and she
was >from Zhetel (Zdzeciol or Dyatlovo) in Grodno Gubernia. She would
be my great aunt. We have not had contact with them since the late
1930's. All we have is this photo, we don't have any first names. If
you have any information or suggestions where I should research,
please respond directly on Viewmate or email me directly at:
amenashe@gmail.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please always add your place of residence, and use
capital letters for family names . Thank you.


French SIG #France Photo identification #france

Abby Menashe
 

This image is of the TOPOROSKY(sp?)family and their descendants and
can be found on viewmate at:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=28200>

They had lived in Paris in the 1930's and may have moved to Israeljust
prior to WWIl. The matriarch's maiden name was ORZHECHOVSKY and she
was >from Zhetel (Zdzeciol or Dyatlovo) in Grodno Gubernia. She would
be my great aunt. We have not had contact with them since the late
1930's. All we have is this photo, we don't have any first names. If
you have any information or suggestions where I should research,
please respond directly on Viewmate or email me directly at:
amenashe@gmail.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please always add your place of residence, and use
capital letters for family names . Thank you.


JriNfPost Feedback Request #ukraine

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine JriNfPost Feedback Request #ukraine

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Re: Mother and son share a tombstone--is it possible? #general

Michael Hoffman
 

It is possible to have a mother and son sharing a grave.

In the Miodowa Street Cemetery in Krakow, there is a "Schamroth" Family
grave containing 5 burials, which contains 3 generations of the family.
This is a branch of the Schamroth family which is related to the "Halevi
Horowitz" family.

Michael Hoffman
Borehamwood,
HERTS UK.

tom klein, Toronto wrote,
"Having more than one name on a stone, and presumably more than one person
buried in a plot, is not unheard of. There may have been financial or personal
circumstances that lead to this. (a widow might have had her own plot paid for,
but might not have had the means to buy another plot for her son, etc.)

To clarify the religious aspects, you should probably consult an orthodox
rabbi."


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Mother and son share a tombstone--is it possible? #general

Michael Hoffman
 

It is possible to have a mother and son sharing a grave.

In the Miodowa Street Cemetery in Krakow, there is a "Schamroth" Family
grave containing 5 burials, which contains 3 generations of the family.
This is a branch of the Schamroth family which is related to the "Halevi
Horowitz" family.

Michael Hoffman
Borehamwood,
HERTS UK.

tom klein, Toronto wrote,
"Having more than one name on a stone, and presumably more than one person
buried in a plot, is not unheard of. There may have been financial or personal
circumstances that lead to this. (a widow might have had her own plot paid for,
but might not have had the means to buy another plot for her son, etc.)

To clarify the religious aspects, you should probably consult an orthodox
rabbi."


Re: Entries in the new NYC (pre 1930) marriage license database, that don't have NYC marriage certificates. #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I am not sure I understood Mark London's question(s) entirely but I will post
a few comments/observations >from working with both NYC marriage files.

Some of the answer depends on time frame also.

The licenses were portable so the marriage did not necessarily take place in
the same. Licenses were also not 100% required especially in the earlier years.
A recognized house of worship could (and did) agree to marry a couple without a
license and then only file the Health Department certificate.

I assume it is also possible that Health Department certificates did not get
filed simply out of neglect. It was an honor system for the officiant to send
it in after the service.

If you have the full license file the first page is the application for the
license, the second the license and the third the details of the ceremony. So
that should tell you when and where the ceremony took place.

Of course some of the errors or omissions could also be a function of the
modern indexing. Also remember that the index done by Italian Gen has some
gaps in the brides where years were unavailable (I do not think they were ever
able to fill in the gaps).

Finally we have all seen instances of multiple ceremonies for the same couple.
Sometimes first a city hall wedding with the clerk and then a religious
ceremony -- sometimes separated by months. I have even seen instances of two
religious ceremonies where all I can assume is it was a her family and a his
family situation or one side did not like the other side's rabbi or such.

Some or all of these issues can and will impact what you see in the indexes and
finally remember paperwork is still just paperwork and sometimes it does not
get done correctly or completely.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Entries in the new NYC (pre 1930) marriage license database, that don't have NYC marriage certificates. #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I am not sure I understood Mark London's question(s) entirely but I will post
a few comments/observations >from working with both NYC marriage files.

Some of the answer depends on time frame also.

The licenses were portable so the marriage did not necessarily take place in
the same. Licenses were also not 100% required especially in the earlier years.
A recognized house of worship could (and did) agree to marry a couple without a
license and then only file the Health Department certificate.

I assume it is also possible that Health Department certificates did not get
filed simply out of neglect. It was an honor system for the officiant to send
it in after the service.

If you have the full license file the first page is the application for the
license, the second the license and the third the details of the ceremony. So
that should tell you when and where the ceremony took place.

Of course some of the errors or omissions could also be a function of the
modern indexing. Also remember that the index done by Italian Gen has some
gaps in the brides where years were unavailable (I do not think they were ever
able to fill in the gaps).

Finally we have all seen instances of multiple ceremonies for the same couple.
Sometimes first a city hall wedding with the clerk and then a religious
ceremony -- sometimes separated by months. I have even seen instances of two
religious ceremonies where all I can assume is it was a her family and a his
family situation or one side did not like the other side's rabbi or such.

Some or all of these issues can and will impact what you see in the indexes and
finally remember paperwork is still just paperwork and sometimes it does not
get done correctly or completely.

Allan Jordan


Offer Photos at Mt. Judah, Queens, New York #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I already posted about Mt Zion and I also have a request to do graves at Mt.
Judah in Queens, New York.

Please do not duplicate requests between myself and others on the list -- or
if you do please make sure that everyone knows that you are making the request
multiple times to see who can do it first.

It will be the same process, where I am happy to take photos (and if need be
consult with the office) and I appreciate a few dollars >from each person who
makes a request to help with my expenses.

I am trying to go to one of the cemeteries by the end of this week -- but the
weather in New York is playing havoc with too much rain. Spending a few hours
wondering around a cemetery collection photos in the rain unfortunately is not
my idea of fun. I nice weather it can be an interesting experience ... but
rain delays the process.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Offer Photos at Mt. Judah, Queens, New York #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I already posted about Mt Zion and I also have a request to do graves at Mt.
Judah in Queens, New York.

Please do not duplicate requests between myself and others on the list -- or
if you do please make sure that everyone knows that you are making the request
multiple times to see who can do it first.

It will be the same process, where I am happy to take photos (and if need be
consult with the office) and I appreciate a few dollars >from each person who
makes a request to help with my expenses.

I am trying to go to one of the cemeteries by the end of this week -- but the
weather in New York is playing havoc with too much rain. Spending a few hours
wondering around a cemetery collection photos in the rain unfortunately is not
my idea of fun. I nice weather it can be an interesting experience ... but
rain delays the process.

Allan Jordan

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