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OPPENHEIMERs of 16-17th century Worms
#germany
David Dubin <davidmdubin@...>
Hi all,
Please help with some stumbling blocks in two families >from which many of us are descended: the OPPENHEIMERs and the BALLINs of Worms, Germany. Please help me understand the following about the OPPENHEIMERs: 1- Ettlinger's Ele Toldot, a fantastic source of information about Frankfurt Jewry of the 12th -18th centuries, has two contemporary listings for Loeb OPPENHEIMER, one (died 1574) who was the son of Majer & Gutlin and who became an apostate named Paulus Renatus, and one (died 1572 or 1573) without parents listed who was married to Sorle. All OPPENHEIMER trees that I have come across seem to conflate the two, making one person, married to Sorle and son of Majer & Gutlin, thereby extending the ancestor tree a few more generations. Where is the source for doing so? 2- In the Gruener buch >from Worms (Rosenthal's transcription), two major figures named (Simon) Wolf OPPENHEIM appear. Both are lauded in the highest terms. One died in 1596, and one was likely born in about that year (his parents Josef Jehuda and Frumet married in the 1590s) and died in 1664. The latter is the grandfather of his namesake of even greater renown, the banker who died in Hanover in 1726. It stands to reason that there was a family connection between the two earlier Simon Wolfs, and it even is likely that the second was named for the first. Yet I see no listing of the earlier Simon Wolf in any OPPENHEIMER tree. Does anyone know where he belongs in the family? Thank you for your help. I will ask about my BALLIN issues in a subsequent post. David Dubin, Teaneck, NJ davidmdubin@gmail.com
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German SIG #Germany OPPENHEIMERs of 16-17th century Worms
#germany
David Dubin <davidmdubin@...>
Hi all,
Please help with some stumbling blocks in two families >from which many of us are descended: the OPPENHEIMERs and the BALLINs of Worms, Germany. Please help me understand the following about the OPPENHEIMERs: 1- Ettlinger's Ele Toldot, a fantastic source of information about Frankfurt Jewry of the 12th -18th centuries, has two contemporary listings for Loeb OPPENHEIMER, one (died 1574) who was the son of Majer & Gutlin and who became an apostate named Paulus Renatus, and one (died 1572 or 1573) without parents listed who was married to Sorle. All OPPENHEIMER trees that I have come across seem to conflate the two, making one person, married to Sorle and son of Majer & Gutlin, thereby extending the ancestor tree a few more generations. Where is the source for doing so? 2- In the Gruener buch >from Worms (Rosenthal's transcription), two major figures named (Simon) Wolf OPPENHEIM appear. Both are lauded in the highest terms. One died in 1596, and one was likely born in about that year (his parents Josef Jehuda and Frumet married in the 1590s) and died in 1664. The latter is the grandfather of his namesake of even greater renown, the banker who died in Hanover in 1726. It stands to reason that there was a family connection between the two earlier Simon Wolfs, and it even is likely that the second was named for the first. Yet I see no listing of the earlier Simon Wolf in any OPPENHEIMER tree. Does anyone know where he belongs in the family? Thank you for your help. I will ask about my BALLIN issues in a subsequent post. David Dubin, Teaneck, NJ davidmdubin@gmail.com
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Re: proving a close relationship
#dna
Michael Goldsmith <michaelg32@...>
Israel Pickholtz shows one unique way that a false positive might occur.
This emphasizes why an approach based on the statistically expected amount of shared DNA can never give a certain answer. I've also been surprised with negative DNA results in cases where lots of circumstantial evidence seems to show a definite relationship. I suspect that a lot of that may be due to orphans gratefully adopting the surnames of the family that took them in. After all, with the wars and epidemics that were prevalent in Europe, there must have been many cases of informal adoption. Michael Goldsmith Michaelg32@comcast.net
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DNA Research #DNA Re:proving a close relationship
#dna
Michael Goldsmith <michaelg32@...>
Israel Pickholtz shows one unique way that a false positive might occur.
This emphasizes why an approach based on the statistically expected amount of shared DNA can never give a certain answer. I've also been surprised with negative DNA results in cases where lots of circumstantial evidence seems to show a definite relationship. I suspect that a lot of that may be due to orphans gratefully adopting the surnames of the family that took them in. After all, with the wars and epidemics that were prevalent in Europe, there must have been many cases of informal adoption. Michael Goldsmith Michaelg32@comcast.net
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BECKER Family Tree
#general
WALTER SPECTOR
Hello Genners,
I am trying to make a connection with Michele whose maiden name is Becker and her husband's name is Scott. She made a contact with my second cousin who is a Becker. His grandfather and my grandmother were brother and sister. Our great grandfather had a brother who was Max or Michael. That might be the link to Michele. I have many brick wall questions about Michael's family. I have posted a message to Michele via Ancestry's message function but have not yet received a response. All assistance is greatly appreciated, Walter Spector Philadelphia
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BECKER Family Tree
#general
WALTER SPECTOR
Hello Genners,
I am trying to make a connection with Michele whose maiden name is Becker and her husband's name is Scott. She made a contact with my second cousin who is a Becker. His grandfather and my grandmother were brother and sister. Our great grandfather had a brother who was Max or Michael. That might be the link to Michele. I have many brick wall questions about Michael's family. I have posted a message to Michele via Ancestry's message function but have not yet received a response. All assistance is greatly appreciated, Walter Spector Philadelphia
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Kehilalinks sites under development
#ukraine
mirnmike@...
I am beginning the process to develop Kehilalinks sites for two towns in the
Ukraine: Shepetivka (which our ancestors knew as Shepetovka), and Bilohirya (which our ancestors knew as Lechovitz). Please contact me if you have any pertinent information. Examples would include photos taken in these towns (including family photos), travelogs, directories, articles, letters or postcards sent >from these towns, and brief family histories. You can reach me at mirkir59@gmail.com. Thanks! Miriam Kirshner San Diego Researching NOVOSELSKY >from Shepetova, CHEICHENITZ >from Lechovitz, GELLMAN from Sudilkov, KIRSHNER >from Kishinev and/or ZHITOMER, and WALZER fromMielnica.
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The September issue of the "Galitzianer"
#ukraine
Gesher Galicia SIG
Gesher Galicia is pleased to release the September 2017 issue of the
"Galitzianer." The featured articles in the current issue are: from the Editor's Desk by Andrew ZalewskiResearch Corner (Vital Records, Holocaust and Jewish Taxpayers Projects) by Tony Kahane Project Updates (Josephine & Franciscan Surveys and Jewish Marriage Permissions 1807) by Andrew Zalewski Brody's Memorial Books by Boerries Kuzmany World War II in the Interview with Julian Bussgang Synagogues of Galicia and Bukovina by Sergey Kravtsov Map Corner by Jay Osborn Gesher Galicia-AGAD Symposium by Tony Kahane 38th Jewish Genealogy Conference by Michal Majewski We hope you will enjoy the new issue of the journal. The "Galitzianer" is a membership benefit of Gesher Galicia. Andrew Zalewski Editor, the Galitzianer The Quarterly Research Journal of Gesher Galicia PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL ADDRESS. Send all inquiries to info@geshergalicia.org
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kehilalinks sites under development
#ukraine
mirnmike@...
I am beginning the process to develop Kehilalinks sites for two towns in the
Ukraine: Shepetivka (which our ancestors knew as Shepetovka), and Bilohirya (which our ancestors knew as Lechovitz). Please contact me if you have any pertinent information. Examples would include photos taken in these towns (including family photos), travelogs, directories, articles, letters or postcards sent >from these towns, and brief family histories. You can reach me at mirkir59@gmail.com. Thanks! Miriam Kirshner San Diego Researching NOVOSELSKY >from Shepetova, CHEICHENITZ >from Lechovitz, GELLMAN from Sudilkov, KIRSHNER >from Kishinev and/or ZHITOMER, and WALZER fromMielnica.
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine The September issue of the "Galitzianer"
#ukraine
Gesher Galicia SIG
Gesher Galicia is pleased to release the September 2017 issue of the
"Galitzianer." The featured articles in the current issue are: from the Editor's Desk by Andrew ZalewskiResearch Corner (Vital Records, Holocaust and Jewish Taxpayers Projects) by Tony Kahane Project Updates (Josephine & Franciscan Surveys and Jewish Marriage Permissions 1807) by Andrew Zalewski Brody's Memorial Books by Boerries Kuzmany World War II in the Interview with Julian Bussgang Synagogues of Galicia and Bukovina by Sergey Kravtsov Map Corner by Jay Osborn Gesher Galicia-AGAD Symposium by Tony Kahane 38th Jewish Genealogy Conference by Michal Majewski We hope you will enjoy the new issue of the journal. The "Galitzianer" is a membership benefit of Gesher Galicia. Andrew Zalewski Editor, the Galitzianer The Quarterly Research Journal of Gesher Galicia PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL ADDRESS. Send all inquiries to info@geshergalicia.org
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Re: BRINKER from Stratyn
#galicia
Richard Cooper
My grateful thanks to everyone who replied to my query.
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You've given me some really useful pointers! Richard Cooper Midhurst, UK (NB: not related to any COOPERs - my grandfather changed his surname
from YAROSHEVSKY!)
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re:BRINKER from Stratyn
#ukraine
Richard Cooper
My grateful thanks to everyone who replied to my query.
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You've given me some really useful pointers! Richard Cooper Midhurst, UK (NB: not related to any COOPERs - my grandfather changed his surname
from YAROSHEVSKY!)
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Sorting out the names: FELDMAN from Tur'i Remety, Hungary and Scranton, Pennsylvania
#hungary
Malka
Perhaps someone here can help me.
I have encountered a confusing situation regarding the names of my maternal great grandparents, Leba FRIEDMAN FELDMAN and Yehudah (Joseph in the USA) FELDMAN originally >from Tur?I Remety, Hungary and >from the late 1880?s, Scranton, Pennsylvania. Part of the problem comes >from the fact that their names and those of their children in Hebrew, Yiddish and English are common in both places. I do know that in Scranton the family lived at 411 Emmett. Many of their children lived in New Orleans and Texas. There were Grossman and perhaps other relatives in Nashville but I am not certain >from which side of the family, maybe >from both. There were FREED/ FREID/FRIED cousins in Galveston, Texas but I have not researched that branch ? yet. My gr-grandmother was Leba FRIEDMAN FEDMAN (parents Benjamin Solomon FRIEDMAN and Rosa JACOBS or more likely JACOBOVITZ). Her Heb/Yid name was Leba. This is known in family history and she has many descendants named Leba. This is the name on her restored matzevah (tombstone) in Scranton,PA. and in all family references such as obituaries of her children. Yet on some official BMD records for her family, census reports, City directories, etc. she is listed as Lena or Lina. Complicating this is that one of her daughters was Lena. They are both listed as Lena on the ship manifest of their USA arrival and some census records (which is not as distressing as those are famous for misinformation). My gr-grandfather was Yehudah FELDMAN which is the name on his restored matzevah and is the family name he was known by and was used for some of his descendants. All of the USA records I have found list him as Joseph. Because of this name confusion I am reluctant to do research in any Hungarian records. Any suggestions would be welcomed, Thank you Malka Lew New Orleans Relevant research: FELDMAN, Scranton, Tur?i Remety
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Sorting out the names: FELDMAN from Tur'i Remety, Hungary and Scranton, Pennsylvania
#hungary
Malka
Perhaps someone here can help me.
I have encountered a confusing situation regarding the names of my maternal great grandparents, Leba FRIEDMAN FELDMAN and Yehudah (Joseph in the USA) FELDMAN originally >from Tur?I Remety, Hungary and >from the late 1880?s, Scranton, Pennsylvania. Part of the problem comes >from the fact that their names and those of their children in Hebrew, Yiddish and English are common in both places. I do know that in Scranton the family lived at 411 Emmett. Many of their children lived in New Orleans and Texas. There were Grossman and perhaps other relatives in Nashville but I am not certain >from which side of the family, maybe >from both. There were FREED/ FREID/FRIED cousins in Galveston, Texas but I have not researched that branch ? yet. My gr-grandmother was Leba FRIEDMAN FEDMAN (parents Benjamin Solomon FRIEDMAN and Rosa JACOBS or more likely JACOBOVITZ). Her Heb/Yid name was Leba. This is known in family history and she has many descendants named Leba. This is the name on her restored matzevah (tombstone) in Scranton,PA. and in all family references such as obituaries of her children. Yet on some official BMD records for her family, census reports, City directories, etc. she is listed as Lena or Lina. Complicating this is that one of her daughters was Lena. They are both listed as Lena on the ship manifest of their USA arrival and some census records (which is not as distressing as those are famous for misinformation). My gr-grandfather was Yehudah FELDMAN which is the name on his restored matzevah and is the family name he was known by and was used for some of his descendants. All of the USA records I have found list him as Joseph. Because of this name confusion I am reluctant to do research in any Hungarian records. Any suggestions would be welcomed, Thank you Malka Lew New Orleans Relevant research: FELDMAN, Scranton, Tur?i Remety
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Re: Help finding graves in Budapest
#hungary
HungarianRoots
Dear Joe,
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1. Oroklet has that problem. I haven't been able to move the pages 2, 3., etc. 2. MACSE database is NOT complete! Budapest, at the time, had 14 districts. different years of deaths are available for different districts. SO that may be the reason you don't find those records. If you know which districts' deaths are available there then you can manually check for the death in the districts that are missing (on family search.org). I have checked for you and 1903 death records have been transcribed by MACSE only for these districts: - Current IV. district (formerly Ujpest, not part of Budapest in 1903). The original district IV. was registered by district V. at the time. - VI. district It means you will have to manually check 1903 deaths for districts I., II., III., V., VII., VIII., IX., X., XI, XII., XIII., XIV. I suggest you start with districts V., VII., VIII., IX, XIII. in Pest, (which were the most Jewish districts or the ones with hospitals.) Wishing you good luck. I hope this helps. Karesz Vandor genealogist/tour guuide/historian www.hungarianroots.com +36-30-546-6950 2017-08-29 19:09 idÅ‘pontban Joseph Lonstein joelonstein@hotmail.com ezt Ãrta:
My gggf Jozsef KLEIN (son of Armin/Herman KLEIN and Regina/Roza
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Help finding graves in Budapest
#hungary
HungarianRoots
Dear Joe,
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1. Oroklet has that problem. I haven't been able to move the pages 2, 3., etc. 2. MACSE database is NOT complete! Budapest, at the time, had 14 districts. different years of deaths are available for different districts. SO that may be the reason you don't find those records. If you know which districts' deaths are available there then you can manually check for the death in the districts that are missing (on family search.org). I have checked for you and 1903 death records have been transcribed by MACSE only for these districts: - Current IV. district (formerly Ujpest, not part of Budapest in 1903). The original district IV. was registered by district V. at the time. - VI. district It means you will have to manually check 1903 deaths for districts I., II., III., V., VII., VIII., IX., X., XI, XII., XIII., XIV. I suggest you start with districts V., VII., VIII., IX, XIII. in Pest, (which were the most Jewish districts or the ones with hospitals.) Wishing you good luck. I hope this helps. Karesz Vandor genealogist/tour guuide/historian www.hungarianroots.com +36-30-546-6950 2017-08-29 19:09 idÅ‘pontban Joseph Lonstein joelonstein@hotmail.com ezt Ãrta:
My gggf Jozsef KLEIN (son of Armin/Herman KLEIN and Regina/Roza
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Berger Family - Csenger Hungary
#hungary
gmuenz1955@...
My first post here.=20
My family is >from Hungary. My mothers family >from Csenger and my Fathers = from Budapest. I am 62 and live in Vancouver Canada,Up until 8 months ago, I knew NOTHING at all about my family. All I knew = was that my mothers maiden name was BERGER, she was >from Hungary (I did = not know >from where) and that she had been to Auschwitz. I never = searched because I assumed I did not have enough data to use.=20 Last year, someone suggested sending what I had to the US Holocaust = Museum in Washington DC, and I received a large volume of information.=20= I discovered my Mother was born in Tyukod, and lived in Csenger when the = Nazis came. I discovered she had also been to Mauthausen. I discovered = her parents names and both had been murdered on the same day in = Auschwitz. Over time, I have collected over 237 names of blood relatives = and in May-June this year, visited Israel and Hungary and met relatives = I did not know existed. I also visited Tuykod and Csenger. I also = discovered that my hotel in Budapest was but one house number >from where = my Father lived!!!! In Israel I attended a yearly memorial to survivors = and their families >from Csenger, and met two survivors, one >from Csenger = and one >from Porcsalma.=20 Over time, I discovered my Mother had a sister Olga who was killed in = Auschwitz with her 3 year old son Peter. I discovered I had an Uncle = Sandor in Australia who had been to Buchenwald. (All have long passed) I discovered that my Grandfather had 4 brothers and sisters, one I just = found online 2 days ago in the FamilkySearch.org microfiche records. I = discovered Great Grandparents and cousins that are still alive, great = grandsons of my Great Aunt.=20 I was also advised that my Mother may have had two additional brothers = who left Hungary before the war. Till today, I did not know their names. = One of them was called Elemir BERGER and he apparently went to Israel. = However, I don't know his Hebrew name.=20 So, I am hoping for help in finding an Elemir BERGER. I was told today = by someone in Israel that knew my family that Elemir had moved to Israel = before the war.=20 Thanks Naftali Muenz Moderator: Please respond off-list unless information is of general interest.
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Berger Family - Csenger Hungary
#hungary
gmuenz1955@...
My first post here.=20
My family is >from Hungary. My mothers family >from Csenger and my Fathers = from Budapest. I am 62 and live in Vancouver Canada,Up until 8 months ago, I knew NOTHING at all about my family. All I knew = was that my mothers maiden name was BERGER, she was >from Hungary (I did = not know >from where) and that she had been to Auschwitz. I never = searched because I assumed I did not have enough data to use.=20 Last year, someone suggested sending what I had to the US Holocaust = Museum in Washington DC, and I received a large volume of information.=20= I discovered my Mother was born in Tyukod, and lived in Csenger when the = Nazis came. I discovered she had also been to Mauthausen. I discovered = her parents names and both had been murdered on the same day in = Auschwitz. Over time, I have collected over 237 names of blood relatives = and in May-June this year, visited Israel and Hungary and met relatives = I did not know existed. I also visited Tuykod and Csenger. I also = discovered that my hotel in Budapest was but one house number >from where = my Father lived!!!! In Israel I attended a yearly memorial to survivors = and their families >from Csenger, and met two survivors, one >from Csenger = and one >from Porcsalma.=20 Over time, I discovered my Mother had a sister Olga who was killed in = Auschwitz with her 3 year old son Peter. I discovered I had an Uncle = Sandor in Australia who had been to Buchenwald. (All have long passed) I discovered that my Grandfather had 4 brothers and sisters, one I just = found online 2 days ago in the FamilkySearch.org microfiche records. I = discovered Great Grandparents and cousins that are still alive, great = grandsons of my Great Aunt.=20 I was also advised that my Mother may have had two additional brothers = who left Hungary before the war. Till today, I did not know their names. = One of them was called Elemir BERGER and he apparently went to Israel. = However, I don't know his Hebrew name.=20 So, I am hoping for help in finding an Elemir BERGER. I was told today = by someone in Israel that knew my family that Elemir had moved to Israel = before the war.=20 Thanks Naftali Muenz Moderator: Please respond off-list unless information is of general interest.
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New Jewish Genealogical Society for the Capital Region of New York
#general
Judy Madnick
Are you are interested in tracing your Jewish roots? If so, the
Capital Region (of New York) Jewish Genealogy Society may be an important resource for you. While there are many national on-line organizations, nothing can replace a network of people who have valuable knowledge of the Capital Region and experience in genealogical research techniques. Whether you are an experienced genealogist or just beginning your journey, you have an opportunity to help create and organize the newly formed Capital Region Jewish Genealogy Society. Please come to the first meeting at 10 a.m. on September 17, 2017, at the Jewish Federation of Northeastern New York, 184 Washington Ave. Extension, Albany, NY 12203. The agenda includes a presentation about the unique skills that facilitate Jewish genealogical research, followed by a discussion. The agenda also includes time to talk about the structure of the organization. Light refreshments will be served. An October meeting is planned featuring speaker Nolan Altman of JewishGen (or Jewishgen.org), a non-profit organization affiliated with the Museum of Jewish Heritage. Please share this information with anyone who might be interested in joining. For further information or to confirm your attendance, please send an email to the Capital Region Jewish Genealogy Society at crjgs1@gmail.com. Judy Madnick
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New Jewish Genealogical Society for the Capital Region of New York
#general
Judy Madnick
Are you are interested in tracing your Jewish roots? If so, the
Capital Region (of New York) Jewish Genealogy Society may be an important resource for you. While there are many national on-line organizations, nothing can replace a network of people who have valuable knowledge of the Capital Region and experience in genealogical research techniques. Whether you are an experienced genealogist or just beginning your journey, you have an opportunity to help create and organize the newly formed Capital Region Jewish Genealogy Society. Please come to the first meeting at 10 a.m. on September 17, 2017, at the Jewish Federation of Northeastern New York, 184 Washington Ave. Extension, Albany, NY 12203. The agenda includes a presentation about the unique skills that facilitate Jewish genealogical research, followed by a discussion. The agenda also includes time to talk about the structure of the organization. Light refreshments will be served. An October meeting is planned featuring speaker Nolan Altman of JewishGen (or Jewishgen.org), a non-profit organization affiliated with the Museum of Jewish Heritage. Please share this information with anyone who might be interested in joining. For further information or to confirm your attendance, please send an email to the Capital Region Jewish Genealogy Society at crjgs1@gmail.com. Judy Madnick
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