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Orthography #austria-czech

pgbakos@...
 

It is not unusual to find variations in orthography of names entered by various clerks.
Think of the variations of names such as Moskovits, Moskovics, Muscovich, ad infinitum.
Podvinecz, Podwinec, etc. Moric, Moricz, Moritz. Sometimes found in the same
registers twice, two different ways.

I do a lot of work with French records. Variances occur there as well. Half the priests
were semi-literate. Even in the 19th century, in a small village the Mayor was also the
clerk and not very consistent in spelling names.

It's part of genealogy.

Peter G. Bakos, St. Crespin, France, PODWINEC (et al), GLOGE, HAUROWITZ,
Jung Bunzlau/Mlada Boleslaw Bohemia/Czech Republic


Photo of grave #austria-czech

Sovtah
 

Hi,

I just found a picture of my paternal grandfather's grave that gives
me the location of the grave. I'm hoping someone in Vienna would take
a picture of the stone and grave site the next time they are at
Zentralfriedhof Cemetery. If the grave site is not well tended, I
would also appreciate information on how to get it cleaned up.

Here is the vital information:
Israel Rosenberg
4.Tor. Gruppe 18A
Reihe 15, Grab Nr. 8

I will be glad to reimburse for any expenses incurred.

Please contact me privately (49tikkunolam@gmail.com) so we don't have
multiple people making the effort.

Thank you so much.

B'Shalom,
Siddy (Rosenberg)
Louisville, KY (USA)

Researching:
DANK, LOWENHEK, ROTH in Galicia
ROSENBERG, SCHNEIDER in Austria-Hungary (now Romania)


SARAH BAUERNFREUND gravestone/death certificate #austria-czech

Daniella Lejtman
 

Hi Fellow JewishGenners,

I am doing family research and am looking for the gravestone and/or
the death certificate for SARAH BAUERNFREUND and to find out where she
might be buried.

She was a resident of Zborov, which is currently in Slovakia (then,
Czechoslovakia). >from my research on the JOWBR cemetery database, the
gravestones that were photographed are mostly >from the 1800s and don't
go past 1915. She died between 1936 and 1938 and most definitely of
natural causes.

Is there any way to get official death certificates >from Slovakian
records? Or would the Czech Republic have the records? Or is there
someone who has been to the Zborov and knows of possibly another
cemetery?

Thank you very much,
Daniella Lejtman
Teneck, New Jersey, USA
Daniella.lejtman@gmail.com


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Orthography #austria-czech

pgbakos@...
 

It is not unusual to find variations in orthography of names entered by various clerks.
Think of the variations of names such as Moskovits, Moskovics, Muscovich, ad infinitum.
Podvinecz, Podwinec, etc. Moric, Moricz, Moritz. Sometimes found in the same
registers twice, two different ways.

I do a lot of work with French records. Variances occur there as well. Half the priests
were semi-literate. Even in the 19th century, in a small village the Mayor was also the
clerk and not very consistent in spelling names.

It's part of genealogy.

Peter G. Bakos, St. Crespin, France, PODWINEC (et al), GLOGE, HAUROWITZ,
Jung Bunzlau/Mlada Boleslaw Bohemia/Czech Republic


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Photo of grave #austria-czech

Sovtah
 

Hi,

I just found a picture of my paternal grandfather's grave that gives
me the location of the grave. I'm hoping someone in Vienna would take
a picture of the stone and grave site the next time they are at
Zentralfriedhof Cemetery. If the grave site is not well tended, I
would also appreciate information on how to get it cleaned up.

Here is the vital information:
Israel Rosenberg
4.Tor. Gruppe 18A
Reihe 15, Grab Nr. 8

I will be glad to reimburse for any expenses incurred.

Please contact me privately (49tikkunolam@gmail.com) so we don't have
multiple people making the effort.

Thank you so much.

B'Shalom,
Siddy (Rosenberg)
Louisville, KY (USA)

Researching:
DANK, LOWENHEK, ROTH in Galicia
ROSENBERG, SCHNEIDER in Austria-Hungary (now Romania)


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech SARAH BAUERNFREUND gravestone/death certificate #austria-czech

Daniella Lejtman
 

Hi Fellow JewishGenners,

I am doing family research and am looking for the gravestone and/or
the death certificate for SARAH BAUERNFREUND and to find out where she
might be buried.

She was a resident of Zborov, which is currently in Slovakia (then,
Czechoslovakia). >from my research on the JOWBR cemetery database, the
gravestones that were photographed are mostly >from the 1800s and don't
go past 1915. She died between 1936 and 1938 and most definitely of
natural causes.

Is there any way to get official death certificates >from Slovakian
records? Or would the Czech Republic have the records? Or is there
someone who has been to the Zborov and knows of possibly another
cemetery?

Thank you very much,
Daniella Lejtman
Teneck, New Jersey, USA
Daniella.lejtman@gmail.com


Re: :spelling of maximilian -- one L or two? (1872-1944) #austria-czech

Eva Lawrence
 

In 1900 a law was enacted in Germany which laid down strict spelling
laws that also included names. Before that there used to be regional
variations. I'm not sure how far
this would have applied in Austria, but the result all over Europe was
that this sort of spelling variation was common. So your grandfather,
like my great-grandmother may have had one spelling of the given name at
birth (Caroline in her case) and another one later in life (Karoline).
In my family, people just used the spelling which seemed appropriate at
the time whether for ideological or practical reasons. (On several
documents, my mother deliberately signed her name differently >from the
official Nazi version, as a sort of protest)

We have two different spellings of our grandfather Epstein from
Roudnice's name. Which do you think is correct and why?
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re::spelling of maximilian -- one L or two? (1872-1944) #austria-czech

Eva Lawrence
 

In 1900 a law was enacted in Germany which laid down strict spelling
laws that also included names. Before that there used to be regional
variations. I'm not sure how far
this would have applied in Austria, but the result all over Europe was
that this sort of spelling variation was common. So your grandfather,
like my great-grandmother may have had one spelling of the given name at
birth (Caroline in her case) and another one later in life (Karoline).
In my family, people just used the spelling which seemed appropriate at
the time whether for ideological or practical reasons. (On several
documents, my mother deliberately signed her name differently >from the
official Nazi version, as a sort of protest)

We have two different spellings of our grandfather Epstein from
Roudnice's name. Which do you think is correct and why?
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Re: 1941 Deportations from Sub-Carpathia #subcarpathia

Stan Dub <stan.dub@...>
 

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1. Re: 1941 Deportations >from Sub-Carpathia

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Subject: Re: 1941 Deportations >from Sub-Carpathia
From: Todd Edelman <edelman@greenidea.eu>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 11:52:35 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1

Hi,

It is my understanding that these 25k or included Jews >from within
pre-1940 Hungary - so also including Kosice, Lucenec etc, or from
pre-1938 "Trianon Hungary" - who didn't have papers. I read that e.g.
Jews who'd moved at the end or right after the end of WWI >from what
became northwest Romania to the west into Trianon Hungary were never
able to get naturalized even though they had lived there >from 1919
onwards...

- T
////////////////

Todd:

I am sure some of the 25,000 were refugees >from other places, but most
were long time residents of Subcarpathia. In many cases they didn't
have "papers" because the area had been part of Czechoslovakia from
1917-1938, and then part of a different transition
Ukranian-ethnic-government, and Hungary did not actually make its
presence known as the local authority until around 1940. When the
requirement for Hungarian papers was announced, any papers that the
Subcarpathian Jews had that referenced their Czech citizenship were
not sufficient. The Yizkor book for my mother's small town (Vonihovo
-- Vajnag in Hungarian, Vonigovo in Ukranian) lists the names of three
Jewish residents of the town in 1877, one of whom was my mother's
grandfather. He died around 1925 and is buried in the town cemetery.
Somehow that did not matter. Thirty of his descendants were included
in the group of about 150 that were deported >from the town.

Stan Dub

///////////////////

On 09/14/2017 07:57 AM, Stanley Dub stan.dub@gmail.com wrote:
In summer of 1941, the Hungarian occupiers deported about 25,000
Subcarpathian Jews to German-occupied eastern Poland after labeling
them "aliens". They had announced that anyone living in the area had
to obtain residency papers >from Hungarian authorities, and these
required proof the family had lived in Hungarian lands since 1860.
Even in some cases when local Jews submitted the paperwork, Hungarian
clerks allowed them to pile up without processing until after the
deportations were carried out. Families whose husbands had previously
been conscripted for Hungarian labor gangs were exempted, and some
others fled into the woods to avoid deportation.

My mother's family (GROSMAN) was deported >from Vonihovo (Yiddish =
Vinif) on August 1, 1941 along with about half her town's Jews. They
were eventually trucked into Poland and abandoned there. Most of the
deportees ended up at Kaminets Podolsk, where they were promptly
massacred by German einzatzgruppen over a few days. My mother's group
did not reach the massacre site but instead were left to fend for
themselves in Poland. Of my mother's group of 13 immediate family
members in the deportations, only my mother survived.

Once these 1941 deportations were carried out, the Hungarians did not
make any other mass deportations >from Sub-Carpathia until the
transports to Auschwitz in 1944.

I've read dozens of memoirs, but have never heard of anyone else
besides my mother who was involved in these 1941 deportations and
survived in Poland until liberation. (I have heard that a few of
these deportees ran away on the deportation journey, or managed to
return quickly after being abandoned in Poland.) Does anyone know of
any others who survived after being included in these 1941
deportations >from Sub-Carpathia?

Thanks,

Stanley Dub
Cleveland, OH

--
Todd Edelman
Davis, CA, USA
Geni Profile: http://bit.ly/2ie6dWm
or real url https://www.geni.com/people/Todd-Edelman/6000000018603767649
Researching: KUNSZTLER in Perechyn/Perecseny in Ung county and in Bereg county.




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Subcarpathia SIG #Subcarpathia Re: 1941 Deportations from Sub-Carpathia #subcarpathia

Stan Dub <stan.dub@...>
 

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 2:04 AM, Sub-Carpathia SIG digest
<subcarpathia@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

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SUBCARPATHIA Digest for Sunday, September 17, 2017.

1. Re: 1941 Deportations >from Sub-Carpathia

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: 1941 Deportations >from Sub-Carpathia
From: Todd Edelman <edelman@greenidea.eu>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 11:52:35 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1

Hi,

It is my understanding that these 25k or included Jews >from within
pre-1940 Hungary - so also including Kosice, Lucenec etc, or from
pre-1938 "Trianon Hungary" - who didn't have papers. I read that e.g.
Jews who'd moved at the end or right after the end of WWI >from what
became northwest Romania to the west into Trianon Hungary were never
able to get naturalized even though they had lived there >from 1919
onwards...

- T
////////////////

Todd:

I am sure some of the 25,000 were refugees >from other places, but most
were long time residents of Subcarpathia. In many cases they didn't
have "papers" because the area had been part of Czechoslovakia from
1917-1938, and then part of a different transition
Ukranian-ethnic-government, and Hungary did not actually make its
presence known as the local authority until around 1940. When the
requirement for Hungarian papers was announced, any papers that the
Subcarpathian Jews had that referenced their Czech citizenship were
not sufficient. The Yizkor book for my mother's small town (Vonihovo
-- Vajnag in Hungarian, Vonigovo in Ukranian) lists the names of three
Jewish residents of the town in 1877, one of whom was my mother's
grandfather. He died around 1925 and is buried in the town cemetery.
Somehow that did not matter. Thirty of his descendants were included
in the group of about 150 that were deported >from the town.

Stan Dub

///////////////////

On 09/14/2017 07:57 AM, Stanley Dub stan.dub@gmail.com wrote:
In summer of 1941, the Hungarian occupiers deported about 25,000
Subcarpathian Jews to German-occupied eastern Poland after labeling
them "aliens". They had announced that anyone living in the area had
to obtain residency papers >from Hungarian authorities, and these
required proof the family had lived in Hungarian lands since 1860.
Even in some cases when local Jews submitted the paperwork, Hungarian
clerks allowed them to pile up without processing until after the
deportations were carried out. Families whose husbands had previously
been conscripted for Hungarian labor gangs were exempted, and some
others fled into the woods to avoid deportation.

My mother's family (GROSMAN) was deported >from Vonihovo (Yiddish =
Vinif) on August 1, 1941 along with about half her town's Jews. They
were eventually trucked into Poland and abandoned there. Most of the
deportees ended up at Kaminets Podolsk, where they were promptly
massacred by German einzatzgruppen over a few days. My mother's group
did not reach the massacre site but instead were left to fend for
themselves in Poland. Of my mother's group of 13 immediate family
members in the deportations, only my mother survived.

Once these 1941 deportations were carried out, the Hungarians did not
make any other mass deportations >from Sub-Carpathia until the
transports to Auschwitz in 1944.

I've read dozens of memoirs, but have never heard of anyone else
besides my mother who was involved in these 1941 deportations and
survived in Poland until liberation. (I have heard that a few of
these deportees ran away on the deportation journey, or managed to
return quickly after being abandoned in Poland.) Does anyone know of
any others who survived after being included in these 1941
deportations >from Sub-Carpathia?

Thanks,

Stanley Dub
Cleveland, OH

--
Todd Edelman
Davis, CA, USA
Geni Profile: http://bit.ly/2ie6dWm
or real url https://www.geni.com/people/Todd-Edelman/6000000018603767649
Researching: KUNSZTLER in Perechyn/Perecseny in Ung county and in Bereg county.




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Unwed mother's Jewish son - mother converts, marries Lutheran father & younger full siblings all Lutheran #general

Alice Josephs
 

Hi,

How usual would this scenario be in the second half of the 19th century in
Germany?

A young Jewish woman becomes pregnant by a non Jewish man in the same town.
She gives birth to a son.

She apparently converts to the Lutheran Church and marries the father. She
has more children, all baptised, the oldest seven years younger than the
first child. However the eldest son by the same father, conceived and born
outside marriage, remains Jewish. I do not know if he was brought up
elsewhere. However the father is named on his marriage certificate, so
everyone including the Jewish son's Jewish bride is aware of the situation,
although it's a moot point whether the Jewish couple's children knew about
this.

Is anyone aware of similar situations?

As far as I can tell, the non Jewish man was >from a family which did not
have Jewish ancestry.

As you may have guessed this is not hypothetical.

It did remind me of interesting threads on Baden Wuerttemberg mailing lists
I saw some years ago, for example, about single mothers in general, not
exactly the same situation, eg at http://bit.ly/2x9frib The Jewish/Lutheran
situation of course has implications and complications especially bearing in
mind what happened in the next century, although the man and the woman were
not to know that.

I'd be very interested to know if this was common or rare and if anyone has
any more information on such situations.

I am subscribed to digest, so would appreciate if those responding on the
list could send a copy to my personal email address. If anyone has a similar
situation in their family and wants to discuss with me off list, please feel
free to email me on my personal email address.

Alice Josephs
Near London, UK
genealice@josephsonline.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Unwed mother's Jewish son - mother converts, marries Lutheran father & younger full siblings all Lutheran #general

Alice Josephs
 

Hi,

How usual would this scenario be in the second half of the 19th century in
Germany?

A young Jewish woman becomes pregnant by a non Jewish man in the same town.
She gives birth to a son.

She apparently converts to the Lutheran Church and marries the father. She
has more children, all baptised, the oldest seven years younger than the
first child. However the eldest son by the same father, conceived and born
outside marriage, remains Jewish. I do not know if he was brought up
elsewhere. However the father is named on his marriage certificate, so
everyone including the Jewish son's Jewish bride is aware of the situation,
although it's a moot point whether the Jewish couple's children knew about
this.

Is anyone aware of similar situations?

As far as I can tell, the non Jewish man was >from a family which did not
have Jewish ancestry.

As you may have guessed this is not hypothetical.

It did remind me of interesting threads on Baden Wuerttemberg mailing lists
I saw some years ago, for example, about single mothers in general, not
exactly the same situation, eg at http://bit.ly/2x9frib The Jewish/Lutheran
situation of course has implications and complications especially bearing in
mind what happened in the next century, although the man and the woman were
not to know that.

I'd be very interested to know if this was common or rare and if anyone has
any more information on such situations.

I am subscribed to digest, so would appreciate if those responding on the
list could send a copy to my personal email address. If anyone has a similar
situation in their family and wants to discuss with me off list, please feel
free to email me on my personal email address.

Alice Josephs
Near London, UK
genealice@josephsonline.net


New Jersey Archive request #general

bernerfolk
 

I've found an index record (with year and file number) for what may be the
third marriage of my GGF, but the name is pretty far off so I'm not certain. Is
anyone going to the NJ State Archive who might be able to get a look at it and
copy or photo the file if it's the right person?

Sherri Venditti
The Berkshires, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply directly to Sherri.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New Jersey Archive request #general

bernerfolk
 

I've found an index record (with year and file number) for what may be the
third marriage of my GGF, but the name is pretty far off so I'm not certain. Is
anyone going to the NJ State Archive who might be able to get a look at it and
copy or photo the file if it's the right person?

Sherri Venditti
The Berkshires, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply directly to Sherri.


Meir WUNDER #general

Lauren Shulsky Orenstein
 

Dear All,

I wonder if someone might know how to reach Meir Wunder, author of Meori
Galicia as well as several other volumes related to rabbinic genealogy. I am
working on a project and, while his published material is terrific, I need to
understand his sources, etc. to complete this research.

Please reply privately with any contact information. If anyone has additional
information about his work, specifically on the Margolis lines, please contact
me directly. I have already reviewed his book, Elef Margoliot.

Best,
Lauren

Lauren Shulsky Orenstein
New York, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Meir WUNDER #general

Lauren Shulsky Orenstein
 

Dear All,

I wonder if someone might know how to reach Meir Wunder, author of Meori
Galicia as well as several other volumes related to rabbinic genealogy. I am
working on a project and, while his published material is terrific, I need to
understand his sources, etc. to complete this research.

Please reply privately with any contact information. If anyone has additional
information about his work, specifically on the Margolis lines, please contact
me directly. I have already reviewed his book, Elef Margoliot.

Best,
Lauren

Lauren Shulsky Orenstein
New York, NY


Thank you! #latinamerica

Amy B Cohen
 

I want to thank all of those who so quickly and helpfully responded to
my inquiry about Eva Baumann Dorfman and Margot Baumann Leventhal. I
now am in touch with three of their descendants, thanks to the help I
received today!

I still am looking for death records for the deceased in the family.
And I still have no information about Rose Abraham Zechermann, who
lived in Chile.

But I am already so much further along than I was just 24 hours ago!

Thank you,

Amy


Latin America #LatinAmerica Thank you! #latinamerica

Amy B Cohen
 

I want to thank all of those who so quickly and helpfully responded to
my inquiry about Eva Baumann Dorfman and Margot Baumann Leventhal. I
now am in touch with three of their descendants, thanks to the help I
received today!

I still am looking for death records for the deceased in the family.
And I still have no information about Rose Abraham Zechermann, who
lived in Chile.

But I am already so much further along than I was just 24 hours ago!

Thank you,

Amy


Re: DNA response protocol #dna

Michael Good
 

People do DNA tests for different reasons, so they tend to reply to what
meets their needs, not yours. I don't think there's any way to change that.

Family Tree DNA greatly overestimates Jewish cousin relationships, so most
of those predicted 2nd-4th cousin relationships are actually far more
distant. I wouldn't bother contacting anyone where the longest match isn't
at least 20 cM, and 30 cM is better. I think your experiences illustrate
part of why Ancestry.DNA is much better for Jewish genealogy than Family
Tree DNA. First, Ancestry's database is about 8 times larger. Second,
their estimation of close cousin relationships is far more accurate than
at Family Tree DNA. You will still have thousands of matches due to
endogamy, but anyone who shows up as a 3rd-4th cousin match or closer on
Ancestry tends to be worth exploring. I've been able to match most of the
people in the upper half of that range. Third, lots more people have family
trees on Ancestry than on Family Tree DNA. Fourth, you can transfer your
Ancestry results to Family Tree DNA for free, but not the other way around.

Alas, I believe Ancestry.DNA is not yet available in Israel. You would have
to go through somebody in a country where Ancestry sells the tests. It is
available in the UK though, and I have had a lot of success with matches to
the UK branches of my family.

For genealogy it's best to test everywhere. For most people Ancestry is far
and away the best choice for your first test, if it is available where you
live.

Michael Good
Los Altos, California, USA


DNA Research #DNA Re: DNA response protocol #dna

Michael Good
 

People do DNA tests for different reasons, so they tend to reply to what
meets their needs, not yours. I don't think there's any way to change that.

Family Tree DNA greatly overestimates Jewish cousin relationships, so most
of those predicted 2nd-4th cousin relationships are actually far more
distant. I wouldn't bother contacting anyone where the longest match isn't
at least 20 cM, and 30 cM is better. I think your experiences illustrate
part of why Ancestry.DNA is much better for Jewish genealogy than Family
Tree DNA. First, Ancestry's database is about 8 times larger. Second,
their estimation of close cousin relationships is far more accurate than
at Family Tree DNA. You will still have thousands of matches due to
endogamy, but anyone who shows up as a 3rd-4th cousin match or closer on
Ancestry tends to be worth exploring. I've been able to match most of the
people in the upper half of that range. Third, lots more people have family
trees on Ancestry than on Family Tree DNA. Fourth, you can transfer your
Ancestry results to Family Tree DNA for free, but not the other way around.

Alas, I believe Ancestry.DNA is not yet available in Israel. You would have
to go through somebody in a country where Ancestry sells the tests. It is
available in the UK though, and I have had a lot of success with matches to
the UK branches of my family.

For genealogy it's best to test everywhere. For most people Ancestry is far
and away the best choice for your first test, if it is available where you
live.

Michael Good
Los Altos, California, USA

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