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ViewMate - Translation Request - Polish #general

Bubbles Segall
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66948

It is the Birth Record of my maternal grandfather - Sruls Iser
KIELNER/KELNER - born 1886 in Wojslawice

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Bubbles Segall


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate - Translation Request - Polish #general

Bubbles Segall
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66948

It is the Birth Record of my maternal grandfather - Sruls Iser
KIELNER/KELNER - born 1886 in Wojslawice

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Bubbles Segall


Re: jewishgen digest: June 01, 2018 #general

C Chaykin
 

Hello Roberta,
“Fils majeur” and “fille majeur” do not refer to birth order but to the age of the
individuals involved. In other words, a “fils majeur” is a “son of age” or a “son
of age of majority.” Similarly, a “fille majeure” would be a “daughter of age” or
“daughter of age of majority.” They are no longer minors, and can act on their own
legally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority

Hope this helps.
C Chaykin

From: Roberta Solit <rsolit@gmail.com>
In a Paris, French marriage record >from the year 1909, the groom is described as
"fils majeur". The bride is also referred to as a "fille majeure". I understand
that this translates as a "major son" and a "major daughter". Wondering if anyone
else has seen this expression, and if so, what does it mean?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: jewishgen digest: June 01, 2018 #general

C Chaykin
 

Hello Roberta,
“Fils majeur” and “fille majeur” do not refer to birth order but to the age of the
individuals involved. In other words, a “fils majeur” is a “son of age” or a “son
of age of majority.” Similarly, a “fille majeure” would be a “daughter of age” or
“daughter of age of majority.” They are no longer minors, and can act on their own
legally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority

Hope this helps.
C Chaykin

From: Roberta Solit <rsolit@gmail.com>
In a Paris, French marriage record >from the year 1909, the groom is described as
"fils majeur". The bride is also referred to as a "fille majeure". I understand
that this translates as a "major son" and a "major daughter". Wondering if anyone
else has seen this expression, and if so, what does it mean?


Re: French translation of "fils majeur & fille majeure" #general

P. S. Wyant
 

Shabbat shalom, Roberta,

"Son (or daughter) of the age of majority".

Peter Wyant
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: rsolit@gmail.com rsolit@gmail.com
In a Paris, French marriage record >from the year 1909, the groom is described as
"fils majeur". The bride is also referred to as a "fille majeure".


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: French translation of "fils majeur & fille majeure" #general

P. S. Wyant
 

Shabbat shalom, Roberta,

"Son (or daughter) of the age of majority".

Peter Wyant
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: rsolit@gmail.com rsolit@gmail.com
In a Paris, French marriage record >from the year 1909, the groom is described as
"fils majeur". The bride is also referred to as a "fille majeure".


Re: ukraine digest: June 01, 2018 #ukraine

Marilyn Levinson
 

Dear Martin
Thank you for taking the time to respond. Your information is very helpful. I have been thinking about the custom of naming both given name and surname and realize how much thought went into this process. I am grateful for your enlightenment. All my best.
Marilyn



Marilyn Levinson wrote:.....Can anyone tell me if there is any special significance to giving a double first name to a child; and for naming practices would Moishe be considered a separate name >from Moishe-Aron.

The practice of choosing given names for Jewish children varies/has varied over time and location. If, as I assume, Marilyn is talking of Ashkenazi Jewish practice, and remembering the custom of calling children after deceased relatives, the following quote >from YIVO gives a good description of double naming practices:

".....A tradition of double names also arose in other regions. It was in Eastern Europe, however, that the practice became extremely common; in some communities of nineteenth-century Poland more than 40 percent of all children had double names. Since official surnames were ignored, this form simplified distinctions between individuals. It also allowed the commemoration of two deceased relatives. Often for men the first part represented a shem ha-kodesh and the second one its traditional kinui, or secular name: Yude Leyb, Dov Ber, Uri Fayvish. In other common combinations the parts were linked by the biblical text: Avrom Itskhok (father and son), Sore Rivke (mother and daughter), Rokhl Leye (two sisters), Ester Malke (the second name means "queen"). In numerous cases, however, no relation existed between the parts as in the following names common in Poland in the nineteenth century: Avrum Leyb, Avrum Moyshe, Avrum Yankl, Itsek Mayer, Khaye Feyge, and Khane Rukhle."

For the full YIVO text on given names see http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/printarticle.aspx?id!26

I have also read that such practices were an indicator of Sephardi origins - personally I have seen no evidence of this but never say never!

Martin Davis
London (UK

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: ukraine digest: June 01, 2018 #ukraine

Marilyn Levinson
 

Dear Martin
Thank you for taking the time to respond. Your information is very helpful. I have been thinking about the custom of naming both given name and surname and realize how much thought went into this process. I am grateful for your enlightenment. All my best.
Marilyn



Marilyn Levinson wrote:.....Can anyone tell me if there is any special significance to giving a double first name to a child; and for naming practices would Moishe be considered a separate name >from Moishe-Aron.

The practice of choosing given names for Jewish children varies/has varied over time and location. If, as I assume, Marilyn is talking of Ashkenazi Jewish practice, and remembering the custom of calling children after deceased relatives, the following quote >from YIVO gives a good description of double naming practices:

".....A tradition of double names also arose in other regions. It was in Eastern Europe, however, that the practice became extremely common; in some communities of nineteenth-century Poland more than 40 percent of all children had double names. Since official surnames were ignored, this form simplified distinctions between individuals. It also allowed the commemoration of two deceased relatives. Often for men the first part represented a shem ha-kodesh and the second one its traditional kinui, or secular name: Yude Leyb, Dov Ber, Uri Fayvish. In other common combinations the parts were linked by the biblical text: Avrom Itskhok (father and son), Sore Rivke (mother and daughter), Rokhl Leye (two sisters), Ester Malke (the second name means "queen"). In numerous cases, however, no relation existed between the parts as in the following names common in Poland in the nineteenth century: Avrum Leyb, Avrum Moyshe, Avrum Yankl, Itsek Mayer, Khaye Feyge, and Khane Rukhle."

For the full YIVO text on given names see http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/printarticle.aspx?id!26

I have also read that such practices were an indicator of Sephardi origins - personally I have seen no evidence of this but never say never!

Martin Davis
London (UK

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JewishGen's Success! Stories -- The New Edition June 2018 #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

We invite you to read the inspiring success stories recently published
to our website. You can access these accounts >from the "About Us"
button on the website or by following this link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/testimonials/

** Gary Koeppel only knew that the young girl in the photos had been
transported >from Prague to England around 1939, her name was
Alexandra, she was the daughter of his paternal grandfather's sister,
and she had been placed in the home of a British family. He then began
his long search.

** Michael Diamant was searching for any living relatives on his
father's maternal side of the family. The search had gone cold when he
received an email >from a man in Poland who had read his family
description in the JewishGen Discussion Group and recognized the name
Norbert Aleksandrowicz.

** Sherry Levy-Reiner tries to unravel the mystery of her
great-grandfather's death on a voyage to Palestine in the 1920s. The
only fact was that there were no facts: no dates, no documents, no
clues. We repost this moving story >from our Archives.

JewishGen volunteers (Editor - Nancy Siegel and Webmaster - Colin
Mathias Justin) collect and post these stories. We encourage you to
submit your own success stories to us at success@lyris.jewishgen.org .

Phyllis Kramer, NYC & PBG, Florida
VP, Education & Special Projects, JewishGen, Inc.


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland JewishGen's Success! Stories -- The New Edition June 2018 #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

We invite you to read the inspiring success stories recently published
to our website. You can access these accounts >from the "About Us"
button on the website or by following this link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/testimonials/

** Gary Koeppel only knew that the young girl in the photos had been
transported >from Prague to England around 1939, her name was
Alexandra, she was the daughter of his paternal grandfather's sister,
and she had been placed in the home of a British family. He then began
his long search.

** Michael Diamant was searching for any living relatives on his
father's maternal side of the family. The search had gone cold when he
received an email >from a man in Poland who had read his family
description in the JewishGen Discussion Group and recognized the name
Norbert Aleksandrowicz.

** Sherry Levy-Reiner tries to unravel the mystery of her
great-grandfather's death on a voyage to Palestine in the 1920s. The
only fact was that there were no facts: no dates, no documents, no
clues. We repost this moving story >from our Archives.

JewishGen volunteers (Editor - Nancy Siegel and Webmaster - Colin
Mathias Justin) collect and post these stories. We encourage you to
submit your own success stories to us at success@lyris.jewishgen.org .

Phyllis Kramer, NYC & PBG, Florida
VP, Education & Special Projects, JewishGen, Inc.


JewishGen's Success! Stories -- The New Edition June 2018 #lodz #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

We invite you to read the inspiring success stories recently published
to our website. You can access these accounts >from the "About Us"
button on the website or by following this link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/testimonials/

** Gary Koeppel only knew that the young girl in the photos had been
transported >from Prague to England around 1939, her name was
Alexandra, she was the daughter of his paternal grandfather's sister,
and she had been placed in the home of a British family. He then began
his long search.

** Michael Diamant was searching for any living relatives on his
father's maternal side of the family. The search had gone cold when he
received an email >from a man in Poland who had read his family
description in the JewishGen Discussion Group and recognized the name
Norbert Aleksandrowicz.

** Sherry Levy-Reiner tries to unravel the mystery of her
great-grandfather's death on a voyage to Palestine in the 1920s. The
only fact was that there were no facts: no dates, no documents, no
clues. We repost this moving story >from our Archives.

JewishGen volunteers (Editor - Nancy Siegel and Webmaster - Colin
Mathias Justin) collect and post these stories. We encourage you to
submit your own success stories to us at success@lyris.jewishgen.org .

Phyllis Kramer, NYC & PBG, Florida
VP, Education & Special Projects, JewishGen, Inc.


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland JewishGen's Success! Stories -- The New Edition June 2018 #lodz #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

We invite you to read the inspiring success stories recently published
to our website. You can access these accounts >from the "About Us"
button on the website or by following this link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/testimonials/

** Gary Koeppel only knew that the young girl in the photos had been
transported >from Prague to England around 1939, her name was
Alexandra, she was the daughter of his paternal grandfather's sister,
and she had been placed in the home of a British family. He then began
his long search.

** Michael Diamant was searching for any living relatives on his
father's maternal side of the family. The search had gone cold when he
received an email >from a man in Poland who had read his family
description in the JewishGen Discussion Group and recognized the name
Norbert Aleksandrowicz.

** Sherry Levy-Reiner tries to unravel the mystery of her
great-grandfather's death on a voyage to Palestine in the 1920s. The
only fact was that there were no facts: no dates, no documents, no
clues. We repost this moving story >from our Archives.

JewishGen volunteers (Editor - Nancy Siegel and Webmaster - Colin
Mathias Justin) collect and post these stories. We encourage you to
submit your own success stories to us at success@lyris.jewishgen.org .

Phyllis Kramer, NYC & PBG, Florida
VP, Education & Special Projects, JewishGen, Inc.


JewishGen's Success! Stories -- The New Edition June 2018 #lithuania

Phyllis Kramer
 

JewishGen invites you to read the inspiring success stories recently
published to our website. You can access these accounts >from the
"About Us" button on the website or by following this link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/testimonials/

** Gary Koeppel only knew that the young girl in the photos had been
transported >from Prague to England around 1939, her name was
Alexandra, she was the daughter of his paternal grandfather's sister,
and she had been placed in the home of a British family. He then began
his long search.

** Michael Diamant was searching for any living relatives on his
father's maternal side of the family. The search had gone cold when he
received an email >from a man in Poland who had read his family
description in the JewishGen Discussion Group and recognized the name
Norbert Aleksandrowicz.

** Sherry Levy-Reiner tries to unravel the mystery of her
great-grandfather's death on a voyage to Palestine in the 1920s. The
only fact was that there were no facts: no dates, no documents, no
clues. We repost this moving story >from our Archives.

JewishGen volunteers (Editor - Nancy Siegel and Webmaster - Colin
Mathias Justin) collect and post these stories. We encourage you to
submit your own success stories to us at success@lyris.jewishgen.org .

Phyllis Kramer, NYC & PBG, Florida
VP, Education & Special Projects, JewishGen, Inc.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania JewishGen's Success! Stories -- The New Edition June 2018 #lithuania

Phyllis Kramer
 

JewishGen invites you to read the inspiring success stories recently
published to our website. You can access these accounts >from the
"About Us" button on the website or by following this link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/testimonials/

** Gary Koeppel only knew that the young girl in the photos had been
transported >from Prague to England around 1939, her name was
Alexandra, she was the daughter of his paternal grandfather's sister,
and she had been placed in the home of a British family. He then began
his long search.

** Michael Diamant was searching for any living relatives on his
father's maternal side of the family. The search had gone cold when he
received an email >from a man in Poland who had read his family
description in the JewishGen Discussion Group and recognized the name
Norbert Aleksandrowicz.

** Sherry Levy-Reiner tries to unravel the mystery of her
great-grandfather's death on a voyage to Palestine in the 1920s. The
only fact was that there were no facts: no dates, no documents, no
clues. We repost this moving story >from our Archives.

JewishGen volunteers (Editor - Nancy Siegel and Webmaster - Colin
Mathias Justin) collect and post these stories. We encourage you to
submit your own success stories to us at success@lyris.jewishgen.org .

Phyllis Kramer, NYC & PBG, Florida
VP, Education & Special Projects, JewishGen, Inc.


Why was a Romanian military officer sent to Lithuania c1921 ? #lithuania

Joe Mankowitz <joe-mankowitz@...>
 

My father had a sister Roza who did not make the journey to South Africa in
1924; evidently she lost her train ticket at Riga, the first leg of the
journey Memel-Hull-London-Southampton

This week I finally tracked the descendants of my lost Aunt:

What I have discovered is that the above was a cover for the most romantic &
edgy love story imaginable: Ferenc Bakasz was a Romanian military medic
sent to Joniskis where he treated my very ill grandmother Glicka.. He must
have been very good, because she recovered to make the 1924 journey to SA,
while her husband Mikha died in 1921.

While there, Roza & he fell in love. The rest is history, covered with a
fable to save my family's blushes at an illicit love. They married,
and at some point she converted to Christianity .... her great grandson
is uncertain whether this was driven by fear of Nazis or Russians.

My question is this: why was a Romanian/Hungarian medical officer sent to NW
Lithuania nearly 2,000km in c1922, travelling through Poland & perhaps
Austria?

Joe Mankowitz
England


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Why was a Romanian military officer sent to Lithuania c1921 ? #lithuania

Joe Mankowitz <joe-mankowitz@...>
 

My father had a sister Roza who did not make the journey to South Africa in
1924; evidently she lost her train ticket at Riga, the first leg of the
journey Memel-Hull-London-Southampton

This week I finally tracked the descendants of my lost Aunt:

What I have discovered is that the above was a cover for the most romantic &
edgy love story imaginable: Ferenc Bakasz was a Romanian military medic
sent to Joniskis where he treated my very ill grandmother Glicka.. He must
have been very good, because she recovered to make the 1924 journey to SA,
while her husband Mikha died in 1921.

While there, Roza & he fell in love. The rest is history, covered with a
fable to save my family's blushes at an illicit love. They married,
and at some point she converted to Christianity .... her great grandson
is uncertain whether this was driven by fear of Nazis or Russians.

My question is this: why was a Romanian/Hungarian medical officer sent to NW
Lithuania nearly 2,000km in c1922, travelling through Poland & perhaps
Austria?

Joe Mankowitz
England


JewishGen's Success! Stories -- The New Edition June 2018 #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

JewishGen invites you to read the inspiring success stories recently
published to our website. You can access these accounts >from the
"About Us" button on the website or by following this link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/testimonials/

** Gary Koeppel only knew that the young girl in the photos had been
transported >from Prague to England around 1939, her name was
Alexandra, she was the daughter of his paternal grandfather's sister,
and she had been placed in the home of a British family. He then began
his long search.

** Michael Diamant was searching for any living relatives on his
father's maternal side of the family. The search had gone cold when he
received an email >from a man in Poland who had read his family
description in the JewishGen Discussion Group and recognized the name
Norbert Aleksandrowicz.

** Sherry Levy-Reiner tries to unravel the mystery of her
great-grandfather's death on a voyage to Palestine in the 1920s. The
only fact was that there were no facts: no dates, no documents, no
clues. We repost this moving story >from our Archives.

JewishGen volunteers (Editor - Nancy Siegel and Webmaster - Colin
Mathias Justin) collect and post these stories. We encourage you to
submit your own success stories to us at success@lyris.jewishgen.org .

Phyllis Kramer, NYC & PBG, Florida
VP, Education & Special Projects, JewishGen, Inc.


JRI Poland #Poland JewishGen's Success! Stories -- The New Edition June 2018 #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

JewishGen invites you to read the inspiring success stories recently
published to our website. You can access these accounts >from the
"About Us" button on the website or by following this link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/testimonials/

** Gary Koeppel only knew that the young girl in the photos had been
transported >from Prague to England around 1939, her name was
Alexandra, she was the daughter of his paternal grandfather's sister,
and she had been placed in the home of a British family. He then began
his long search.

** Michael Diamant was searching for any living relatives on his
father's maternal side of the family. The search had gone cold when he
received an email >from a man in Poland who had read his family
description in the JewishGen Discussion Group and recognized the name
Norbert Aleksandrowicz.

** Sherry Levy-Reiner tries to unravel the mystery of her
great-grandfather's death on a voyage to Palestine in the 1920s. The
only fact was that there were no facts: no dates, no documents, no
clues. We repost this moving story >from our Archives.

JewishGen volunteers (Editor - Nancy Siegel and Webmaster - Colin
Mathias Justin) collect and post these stories. We encourage you to
submit your own success stories to us at success@lyris.jewishgen.org .

Phyllis Kramer, NYC & PBG, Florida
VP, Education & Special Projects, JewishGen, Inc.


Re: Ukraine Jewish Population after Khmelnitski Massacres #general

Alexander Sharon
 

David Goldman wrote:
I haven't well understood how the Jewish population seemingly grew so much into the
19th century in places such as Podolia where they were about 10% of the population
at the beginning of the 19th century in the wake of the effects of the Khmelnitsky
uprisings and massacres in the 1640s. In the days of the Chassidim the stories we
read make it sound as if there were vibrant communities and rabbis everywhere in
Podolia (and even Volhynia), so one wonders how the Jewish population grew so much.

On the other hand there are other stories suggesting that famous Jewish towns in
Ukraine in the 18th and 19th centuries actually only had relative handfuls of Jews
in them, i.e. 100-200 or even fewer Jews. Famous Chassidic and pre-chassidic rabbis
in those areas had religious responsibilities ostensibly covering many "towns"
which must have meant handfuls of Jews here and there. In reconstructing how things
were in those days, what did Jewish life in Podolia in the years after the
massacres really look like and where did those Jews all migrate >from specifically
into a place such as Podolia that was so potentially socially and politically
sensitive?
---

The Jewish chronicles say 100,000 Jews were killed and 300 communities
destroyed during Bohdan Chmielnicki uprising of 1648-9.

But on the other hand, Jewish Encyclopedia quotes that at the beginning of
1640ies only 4 thousands Jewish were residents in of 18 communities in
Podolia. The larger Jewish communities were Miedziborz, Nemirov, Tulchin and
Bar. German Jews have settled in Podolia during Thirty Years War (1618-1648).

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Ukraine Jewish Population after Khmelnitski Massacres #general

Alexander Sharon
 

David Goldman wrote:
I haven't well understood how the Jewish population seemingly grew so much into the
19th century in places such as Podolia where they were about 10% of the population
at the beginning of the 19th century in the wake of the effects of the Khmelnitsky
uprisings and massacres in the 1640s. In the days of the Chassidim the stories we
read make it sound as if there were vibrant communities and rabbis everywhere in
Podolia (and even Volhynia), so one wonders how the Jewish population grew so much.

On the other hand there are other stories suggesting that famous Jewish towns in
Ukraine in the 18th and 19th centuries actually only had relative handfuls of Jews
in them, i.e. 100-200 or even fewer Jews. Famous Chassidic and pre-chassidic rabbis
in those areas had religious responsibilities ostensibly covering many "towns"
which must have meant handfuls of Jews here and there. In reconstructing how things
were in those days, what did Jewish life in Podolia in the years after the
massacres really look like and where did those Jews all migrate >from specifically
into a place such as Podolia that was so potentially socially and politically
sensitive?
---

The Jewish chronicles say 100,000 Jews were killed and 300 communities
destroyed during Bohdan Chmielnicki uprising of 1648-9.

But on the other hand, Jewish Encyclopedia quotes that at the beginning of
1640ies only 4 thousands Jewish were residents in of 18 communities in
Podolia. The larger Jewish communities were Miedziborz, Nemirov, Tulchin and
Bar. German Jews have settled in Podolia during Thirty Years War (1618-1648).

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB

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