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Lejvi-Itsko LEMBERSKY and Eteta Lazar SCHARTSMAN or chvarchman or chrvarzmann or swartzman #general

Lemberski Evelyne
 

My grandfather's parents were called leiba itzek (lejvi-itsko) or
leon gold leivi istic lembersky born 1865 eteta lazar or Helene
schartsman or chvarchman or chrvarzmann or swartzman born 1867

They lived in the city of Zvenigorovdka in Ukraine at the following
address: 48 rue sorbonne
Do you know the date of their death, please?

evelyne lemberski
saint maurice
france
evelynelemberski@yahoo.fr


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lejvi-Itsko LEMBERSKY and Eteta Lazar SCHARTSMAN or chvarchman or chrvarzmann or swartzman #general

Lemberski Evelyne
 

My grandfather's parents were called leiba itzek (lejvi-itsko) or
leon gold leivi istic lembersky born 1865 eteta lazar or Helene
schartsman or chvarchman or chrvarzmann or swartzman born 1867

They lived in the city of Zvenigorovdka in Ukraine at the following
address: 48 rue sorbonne
Do you know the date of their death, please?

evelyne lemberski
saint maurice
france
evelynelemberski@yahoo.fr


R' Yosef Gelernter - Machzikei Hadas, Kew Gardens, NY #general

Dovie Gelerinter
 

Does anyone know anything about this GELERINTER or his family? A
relative of a relative saw his name on a building and, of course, the
question came to me of who he was. I have no idea. I'm trying
independently to figure it out but figured this is also a good
resource to ask.

Thank you,

-Dovie Gelerinter
Gelerinter13@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen R' Yosef Gelernter - Machzikei Hadas, Kew Gardens, NY #general

Dovie Gelerinter
 

Does anyone know anything about this GELERINTER or his family? A
relative of a relative saw his name on a building and, of course, the
question came to me of who he was. I have no idea. I'm trying
independently to figure it out but figured this is also a good
resource to ask.

Thank you,

-Dovie Gelerinter
Gelerinter13@gmail.com


Reminder: Obemayer German Jewish History Award submission deadline #general

Arthur Obermayer <obermayer@...>
 

Reminder: The deadline for Obermayer German Jewish History Award
nominations this year is September 12th, and supplementary materials are
due by September 6. The awards honor individuals and organizations in
Germany who have preserved, raised awareness of, or breathed new life
into a once-vibrant Jewish history and culture in their communities (see
web site for details).

Nominees who were not successful in previous years may be eligible for
this year’s awards. Nominators need only to submit an updated
application. Instructions may be found on the Obermayer web site.

http://www.obermayer.us/award/nominate.htm

The awards are sponsored by the Obermayer Foundation in cooperation with
the President of the Berlin House of Representatives, the Leo Baeck
Institute, and GerSIG.

Additional information about the award may be found on the Obermayer
Foundation may be found at:

http://obermayer.us/award

The call for nominations can be obtained at

http://www.obermayer.us/award/nominate.htm

Betty Solbjor (on behalf of the Obermayer Foundation)
Dedham, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reminder: Obemayer German Jewish History Award submission deadline #general

Arthur Obermayer <obermayer@...>
 

Reminder: The deadline for Obermayer German Jewish History Award
nominations this year is September 12th, and supplementary materials are
due by September 6. The awards honor individuals and organizations in
Germany who have preserved, raised awareness of, or breathed new life
into a once-vibrant Jewish history and culture in their communities (see
web site for details).

Nominees who were not successful in previous years may be eligible for
this year’s awards. Nominators need only to submit an updated
application. Instructions may be found on the Obermayer web site.

http://www.obermayer.us/award/nominate.htm

The awards are sponsored by the Obermayer Foundation in cooperation with
the President of the Berlin House of Representatives, the Leo Baeck
Institute, and GerSIG.

Additional information about the award may be found on the Obermayer
Foundation may be found at:

http://obermayer.us/award

The call for nominations can be obtained at

http://www.obermayer.us/award/nominate.htm

Betty Solbjor (on behalf of the Obermayer Foundation)
Dedham, MA


ViewMate file # 68884 - postcard translation - Yiddish and German #general

Robert Fraser
 

Dear Friends -

I have posted to Viewmate a postcard that was sent from
Berlin in 1937 by an English relative and her German
cousins. As you will see, there are passages in English,
Yiddish and German (they are not the same).

I would appreciate a translation of the Yiddish passage.
Also, if possible, a translation of the passage in German.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM68884

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate
application.

Thank you very much.

Shalom

Gina Fraser
Perth, Western Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate file # 68884 - postcard translation - Yiddish and German #general

Robert Fraser
 

Dear Friends -

I have posted to Viewmate a postcard that was sent from
Berlin in 1937 by an English relative and her German
cousins. As you will see, there are passages in English,
Yiddish and German (they are not the same).

I would appreciate a translation of the Yiddish passage.
Also, if possible, a translation of the passage in German.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM68884

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate
application.

Thank you very much.

Shalom

Gina Fraser
Perth, Western Australia


ViewMate file # 68885 - Hebrew gravestone translation #general

Robert Fraser
 

Dear Friends -

I would appreciate a translation of a Hebrew inscription of
a headstone.

This headstone is believed to be located in Metulla, Israel.

It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM68885

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate
application.

Thank you very much.

Shalom

Gina Fraser
Perth, Western Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate file # 68885 - Hebrew gravestone translation #general

Robert Fraser
 

Dear Friends -

I would appreciate a translation of a Hebrew inscription of
a headstone.

This headstone is believed to be located in Metulla, Israel.

It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM68885

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate
application.

Thank you very much.

Shalom

Gina Fraser
Perth, Western Australia


ViewMate translaton request - Yiddish-language postcard #general

Joel Blankett <jnblank@...>
 

I have posted a Yiddish language postcard on ViewMate at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM68908

and would much appreciate help in translating the Yiddish text.

The card was sent by my maternal grandfather, David MIRMOVITSCH, during
WW I to my grandmother, Malke, then living in Helsinki (Helsingfors),
Finland.

The reverse side of the postcard (not shown here) indicates that it was
sent >from Tori, Livonia (Estonia - at the time part of Russia).

Please answer via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Joel Blankett
Jerusalem, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translaton request - Yiddish-language postcard #general

Joel Blankett <jnblank@...>
 

I have posted a Yiddish language postcard on ViewMate at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM68908

and would much appreciate help in translating the Yiddish text.

The card was sent by my maternal grandfather, David MIRMOVITSCH, during
WW I to my grandmother, Malke, then living in Helsinki (Helsingfors),
Finland.

The reverse side of the postcard (not shown here) indicates that it was
sent >from Tori, Livonia (Estonia - at the time part of Russia).

Please answer via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Joel Blankett
Jerusalem, Israel


ViewMate translation request, Polish marriage record (pre-printed and handwritten) #general

Joel weiner
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM68910
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.
Joel Weiner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation request, Polish marriage record (pre-printed and handwritten) #general

Joel weiner
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM68910
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.
Joel Weiner


Re: False Positives? #dna

rayvenna@...
 

Another thing to keep in mind is that many people changed their
surnames. My tree only goes back to the 1830/1860s, yet I've
documented at least three surnames used by one of the male lines in
additional to the usually variations in spellings. One man took his
wife's surname. Another had some trouble with the law, so he changed
his name to hide his "shame." Sometimes people just adopted the
surnames of the cousins who sponsored them when they immigrated, etc.

A common weak spot in most of our trees are maiden names, particularly
of those >from early ancestors. A DNA test doesn't distinguish between
someone who is a 4th cousin through a female line where the surnames
are less likely to match and one along a known male line.

I would definitely consider transferring your test to Gedmatch or to
FTDNA where you can look at segment lengths. Ancestry is great because
of its huge database, but it doesn't have the best tools for looking at
endogamous populations.

Mindie Kaplan

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Brostoff davbro@earthlink.net"
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 1:13:20 PM

On Aug 4, 2018, at 7:09 PM, David E Goldman lugman@verizon.net wrote:

My known last names go back to my great-great-grandparents, and
even a couple more beyond that.
Have you and your match identified all your great-great-aunts and their
married names?

This is usually the limiting factor.


DNA Research #DNA Re: False Positives? #dna

rayvenna@...
 

Another thing to keep in mind is that many people changed their
surnames. My tree only goes back to the 1830/1860s, yet I've
documented at least three surnames used by one of the male lines in
additional to the usually variations in spellings. One man took his
wife's surname. Another had some trouble with the law, so he changed
his name to hide his "shame." Sometimes people just adopted the
surnames of the cousins who sponsored them when they immigrated, etc.

A common weak spot in most of our trees are maiden names, particularly
of those >from early ancestors. A DNA test doesn't distinguish between
someone who is a 4th cousin through a female line where the surnames
are less likely to match and one along a known male line.

I would definitely consider transferring your test to Gedmatch or to
FTDNA where you can look at segment lengths. Ancestry is great because
of its huge database, but it doesn't have the best tools for looking at
endogamous populations.

Mindie Kaplan

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Brostoff davbro@earthlink.net"
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 1:13:20 PM

On Aug 4, 2018, at 7:09 PM, David E Goldman lugman@verizon.net wrote:

My known last names go back to my great-great-grandparents, and
even a couple more beyond that.
Have you and your match identified all your great-great-aunts and their
married names?

This is usually the limiting factor.


Re: False Positives? #dna

Dorann Cafaro
 

I agree with Raina that you most likely have a common ancestor. I would
also suggest that you take a closer look at your branches further up the
tree to see if you can find a common location. You may have a sister
without a maiden name or a changed surname at the root showing
completely different surnames on their branches. Enjoy the hunt.

Dorann Cafaro

From: Raina Accardi <raina.accardi@outlook.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 12:05:16 +0000

Hi David,

Its hard to tell >from the Ancestry relationship estimate exactly what is
going on but an extremely high probability and that much shared DNA is
not a false positive. You two are definitely cousins of some kind. If
you can convince the match to upload to Gedmatch you will be able to get
a better estimate of the relationship by looking at the size of the
individual segments (larger sizes will indicate closer relationships) and
see if there are a lot of small segments (indicates endogamy). A 4th
cousin would share a 3x great grandparent so you may be looking at
roughly 150 years ago in the 1860s. Can you find any common locations
between your matches ancestors and yours at that time? If so, you might
be able to infer who the common ancestors are even if their surnames are
different. Many Jews took different surnames even among the same family,
some after the mother, some after the father, some made up new ones.
Another course is to look at the family trees of "shared" matches. Are
there any names and locations that connect to either your or your
match's tree? If so, that may be a line of further research.


DNA Research #DNA Re: False Positives? #dna

Dorann Cafaro
 

I agree with Raina that you most likely have a common ancestor. I would
also suggest that you take a closer look at your branches further up the
tree to see if you can find a common location. You may have a sister
without a maiden name or a changed surname at the root showing
completely different surnames on their branches. Enjoy the hunt.

Dorann Cafaro

From: Raina Accardi <raina.accardi@outlook.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 12:05:16 +0000

Hi David,

Its hard to tell >from the Ancestry relationship estimate exactly what is
going on but an extremely high probability and that much shared DNA is
not a false positive. You two are definitely cousins of some kind. If
you can convince the match to upload to Gedmatch you will be able to get
a better estimate of the relationship by looking at the size of the
individual segments (larger sizes will indicate closer relationships) and
see if there are a lot of small segments (indicates endogamy). A 4th
cousin would share a 3x great grandparent so you may be looking at
roughly 150 years ago in the 1860s. Can you find any common locations
between your matches ancestors and yours at that time? If so, you might
be able to infer who the common ancestors are even if their surnames are
different. Many Jews took different surnames even among the same family,
some after the mother, some after the father, some made up new ones.
Another course is to look at the family trees of "shared" matches. Are
there any names and locations that connect to either your or your
match's tree? If so, that may be a line of further research.


Re: False Positives? #dna

Michael Good
 

Hi David,

In my experience a 102 cM match across 7 segments at Ancestry is
unlikely to be a false positive, but more likely a 3rd to 4th cousin
as Ancestry predicts.

Do you and your match really know all the descendants of all your
great-great-grandparents? I sure don't. Heck, I don't even know all my
great-great-grandparents yet.

If you don't know all your great-grandparents siblings and all their
descendants, then you are going to find names that you don't recognize
on your DNA matches >from when female descendants marry. You may want to
try working on the trees for both you and your match to find the most
likely sources of connection. If you have cousins that have tested, that
can really help narrow things down.

Sometimes the DNA test results can lead you directly to the paper trail
that shows you the breakthrough and the connection. Other times you do
the research as far as you can, but then have to wait until you
eventually find another clue that makes the connection. And sometimes
you run into an NPE which can be really difficult to untangle.

Ancestry is remarkably good at taking care of false positives for
Jewish DNA results, at least through the upper parts of the 3rd-4th
cousin matches. The area that I still wonder about though are matches
with 100 cM or less but many more segments, say 10 or 12. Those seem
to me more likely to be over-estimated at Ancestry.

Best regards,

Michael Good
Los Altos, California


DNA Research #DNA Re: False Positives? #dna

Michael Good
 

Hi David,

In my experience a 102 cM match across 7 segments at Ancestry is
unlikely to be a false positive, but more likely a 3rd to 4th cousin
as Ancestry predicts.

Do you and your match really know all the descendants of all your
great-great-grandparents? I sure don't. Heck, I don't even know all my
great-great-grandparents yet.

If you don't know all your great-grandparents siblings and all their
descendants, then you are going to find names that you don't recognize
on your DNA matches >from when female descendants marry. You may want to
try working on the trees for both you and your match to find the most
likely sources of connection. If you have cousins that have tested, that
can really help narrow things down.

Sometimes the DNA test results can lead you directly to the paper trail
that shows you the breakthrough and the connection. Other times you do
the research as far as you can, but then have to wait until you
eventually find another clue that makes the connection. And sometimes
you run into an NPE which can be really difficult to untangle.

Ancestry is remarkably good at taking care of false positives for
Jewish DNA results, at least through the upper parts of the 3rd-4th
cousin matches. The area that I still wonder about though are matches
with 100 cM or less but many more segments, say 10 or 12. Those seem
to me more likely to be over-estimated at Ancestry.

Best regards,

Michael Good
Los Altos, California

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