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IGRA Meeting October 8th in Ra'anana, Israel- Successes or Brick Walls #general

Elena Bazes
 

Monday, October 8th in Ra'anana

Join us for the next meeting of the Israel Genealogy Research
Association (IGRA) - "Successes or Brick Walls".

At this meeting, the focus will be on YOU. Share your successes with
us or tell us about your difficulties and/or brick walls, which
hopefully will be solved by one of our country experts who will be
present.

This is an opportunity to meet your fellow genealogists and to learn
from or assist one another.
Location: Bet Fisher, 5 Klausner Street, Ra'anana
Doors open at 19:00 Meeting begins at 19:30.
Cost: IGRA members-Free Admission Non-members-NIS 20

To join IGRA, go to http://genealogy.org.il/membership/

Elena Bazes
IGRA Publicity Chairperson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen IGRA Meeting October 8th in Ra'anana, Israel- Successes or Brick Walls #general

Elena Bazes
 

Monday, October 8th in Ra'anana

Join us for the next meeting of the Israel Genealogy Research
Association (IGRA) - "Successes or Brick Walls".

At this meeting, the focus will be on YOU. Share your successes with
us or tell us about your difficulties and/or brick walls, which
hopefully will be solved by one of our country experts who will be
present.

This is an opportunity to meet your fellow genealogists and to learn
from or assist one another.
Location: Bet Fisher, 5 Klausner Street, Ra'anana
Doors open at 19:00 Meeting begins at 19:30.
Cost: IGRA members-Free Admission Non-members-NIS 20

To join IGRA, go to http://genealogy.org.il/membership/

Elena Bazes
IGRA Publicity Chairperson


Re: litvaksig digest: September 16, 2018 #lithuania

Jon Seligman
 

1. Re: Looking for Landsman records ?
Quite a few Landsman associations in Israel still exist, though many are
territorially based, rather than for individual Shtetlach. Some have
extensive archives:

Vilna and its district: www.vilna.co.il/

Lithuania: http://lithuanianjews.org/

Latvia: http://lat-est.org.il/

Central Europe: http://irgun-jeckes.org/

Slonim: http://www.slonimjews.org.il/

Pinsk: http://www.pinskjews.org.il/pinskorg01.asp

Lodz: http://www.lodz-israel.co.il/heb-index.html

Warsaw: http://www.warsaw.org.il/

Cracow: http://www.cracow.org.il/


... and I am sure that a Google search would dredge up quite a few more.

Jon Seligman
Zur Hadassa, Israel


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: litvaksig digest: September 16, 2018 #lithuania

Jon Seligman
 

1. Re: Looking for Landsman records ?
Quite a few Landsman associations in Israel still exist, though many are
territorially based, rather than for individual Shtetlach. Some have
extensive archives:

Vilna and its district: www.vilna.co.il/

Lithuania: http://lithuanianjews.org/

Latvia: http://lat-est.org.il/

Central Europe: http://irgun-jeckes.org/

Slonim: http://www.slonimjews.org.il/

Pinsk: http://www.pinskjews.org.il/pinskorg01.asp

Lodz: http://www.lodz-israel.co.il/heb-index.html

Warsaw: http://www.warsaw.org.il/

Cracow: http://www.cracow.org.il/


... and I am sure that a Google search would dredge up quite a few more.

Jon Seligman
Zur Hadassa, Israel


Re: Looking for Landsman records ? #lithuania

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Ralph,

I found one such file at Yivo. They probably have others.

Best Results,
Adam Cherson


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LITVAKSIG Digest for Saturday, September 15, 2018.

1. Looking for Landsman records ?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Looking for Landsman records ?
From: Salinger Ralph <salinger@...>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:06:24 +0300
X-Message-Number: 1

In the late 1800 until about the 1970, immigrants >from the various
shtetlach ran benevolent societies and associations to provide aid and
social programming for their landsman. These were mostly in NYC but
there
were likely similar organizations in places like Baltimore.

Most or all of these have shut down as the original immigrants died and
their kids didn't have any interest in keeping them going.

But what happened to all of their records?

Did someone acquire them or did they simply end up in a landfill?
I have no idea.

Can anyone make some suggestions where to look ?

Many thanks

Ralph


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: Looking for Landsman records ? #lithuania

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Ralph,

I found one such file at Yivo. They probably have others.

Best Results,
Adam Cherson


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LITVAKSIG Digest for Saturday, September 15, 2018.

1. Looking for Landsman records ?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Looking for Landsman records ?
From: Salinger Ralph <salinger@...>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:06:24 +0300
X-Message-Number: 1

In the late 1800 until about the 1970, immigrants >from the various
shtetlach ran benevolent societies and associations to provide aid and
social programming for their landsman. These were mostly in NYC but
there
were likely similar organizations in places like Baltimore.

Most or all of these have shut down as the original immigrants died and
their kids didn't have any interest in keeping them going.

But what happened to all of their records?

Did someone acquire them or did they simply end up in a landfill?
I have no idea.

Can anyone make some suggestions where to look ?

Many thanks

Ralph


Request for Translation Assistance #poland

Rick Zeckel <rz7923@...>
 

I have posted four documents on ViewMate that were sent to me by the
State Archive in Torun Branch of Wloclawek in response to my request
for documents related to my grandfather, Szymon Moszek Kaufman. The
documents are scans of pages that are in two sets of two pages each, a
right side and left side of the book they came from. I have been told
they're in Russian, but since I don't know Polish or Russian I can't
be sure. The addresses for the four are:

https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/submissionslist.asp?cmd=resetall

I would appreciate any help I can get on translating these pages.

--
Rick Zeckel
rz7923@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE:Please respond privately or via Viewmate.


JRI Poland #Poland Request for Translation Assistance #poland

Rick Zeckel <rz7923@...>
 

I have posted four documents on ViewMate that were sent to me by the
State Archive in Torun Branch of Wloclawek in response to my request
for documents related to my grandfather, Szymon Moszek Kaufman. The
documents are scans of pages that are in two sets of two pages each, a
right side and left side of the book they came from. I have been told
they're in Russian, but since I don't know Polish or Russian I can't
be sure. The addresses for the four are:

https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/submissionslist.asp?cmd=resetall

I would appreciate any help I can get on translating these pages.

--
Rick Zeckel
rz7923@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE:Please respond privately or via Viewmate.


Re: New oroklet website #hungary

Bob Friedman
 

1) I didn't see an option to select English on either version of the site

2) You have to log in to see results, but I did not see a place to =
register on the updated version

3) I filled out the registration form on the old site, and got a message =
to enter my house number
and street, but there's no place on the form to enter that information

Am I missing something?

Bob Friedman
Brooklyn, NY


On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 13:19:59 -0400, "Michael Hollosi mhollosi@..." =
<h-sig@...>
wrote:

Yes, the new web interface is quite bad. But the good data is still =
there and you can get to the old interface for now at the oroklet =
website,=20
at www.oroklet.hu/bent.php. The English version works the second time =
you select it.=20

The site owners should be encourage to keep the old interface around and=
provide a link to it while they are improving the new one.=20

Regards, Mike Hollosi

Tom Klein wrote:

the oroklet website, <http://www.oroklet.hu/>, has been given a =
facelift. =20

the new version seems to be all in hungarian (watch out for names with =
diacriticals),
and its white-on-black theme threw me for a bit of a loop. (i'm not =
used to typing
my input in white on white, or viewing results in black on black; this =
may be an is
sue with my browser/version.) i didn't see any wildcard or soundex =
options, and it=20
also says that the search function only returns the first 15 hits.=20


....... tom klein, toronto


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: New oroklet website #hungary

Bob Friedman
 

1) I didn't see an option to select English on either version of the site

2) You have to log in to see results, but I did not see a place to =
register on the updated version

3) I filled out the registration form on the old site, and got a message =
to enter my house number
and street, but there's no place on the form to enter that information

Am I missing something?

Bob Friedman
Brooklyn, NY


On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 13:19:59 -0400, "Michael Hollosi mhollosi@..." =
<h-sig@...>
wrote:

Yes, the new web interface is quite bad. But the good data is still =
there and you can get to the old interface for now at the oroklet =
website,=20
at www.oroklet.hu/bent.php. The English version works the second time =
you select it.=20

The site owners should be encourage to keep the old interface around and=
provide a link to it while they are improving the new one.=20

Regards, Mike Hollosi

Tom Klein wrote:

the oroklet website, <http://www.oroklet.hu/>, has been given a =
facelift. =20

the new version seems to be all in hungarian (watch out for names with =
diacriticals),
and its white-on-black theme threw me for a bit of a loop. (i'm not =
used to typing
my input in white on white, or viewing results in black on black; this =
may be an is
sue with my browser/version.) i didn't see any wildcard or soundex =
options, and it=20
also says that the search function only returns the first 15 hits.=20


....... tom klein, toronto


Research ANJKER family from Danzig #germany

Leslie Michaels <leslie@...>
 

I am researching the story of the ANKER family >from Danzig (now Gdansk) and
have found various sets of accounts and tax audit reports in German from
the 1930's. Whilst my basic knowledge of German enables me to translate the
words, the accounting conventions are so different to those of today that
I am unable to interpret the Balance Sheet or Profit and loss account
adequately. I am a chartered accountant so do understand accounting
principles.

I am looking for someone able to read and interpret German accounts from
the 1930s.

Leslie Michaels London leslie@...


German SIG #Germany Research ANJKER family from Danzig #germany

Leslie Michaels <leslie@...>
 

I am researching the story of the ANKER family >from Danzig (now Gdansk) and
have found various sets of accounts and tax audit reports in German from
the 1930's. Whilst my basic knowledge of German enables me to translate the
words, the accounting conventions are so different to those of today that
I am unable to interpret the Balance Sheet or Profit and loss account
adequately. I am a chartered accountant so do understand accounting
principles.

I am looking for someone able to read and interpret German accounts from
the 1930s.

Leslie Michaels London leslie@...


Re: Samuel OPPENHEIMER-HEIDELBERG (died Vienna 1703) #germany

Ralph Baer
 

It has been about 30 years since I visited this problem. I am a descendant
of Gentille (Sandella) CARCASSONE and her first husband Moses Abraham ASTRUK
through their son Calmon ASTRUK, born about 1660 in Mannheim.

If I remember correctly, in the family tree "Die Familie Mayer
(Astruk)=Hirsch" in the Berthold Rosenthal, also on line on the Leo Baeck
Institute web site, there is a lengthy discussion of both of Gentille
CARCASSONE's marriages and the dates only make sense if those children of
Samuel OPPENHEIMER were not Gentille's.

Ralph N. Baer Washington, DC RalphNBaer@...

Subject: Samuel OPPENHEIMER-HEIDELBERG (died Vienna 1703)

Sun, 16 Sep David Dubin <davidmdubin@...> wrote:
Please help me clear up a discrepancy.
Most online trees have the mother of the 'shtadlan' Samuel
OPPENHEIMER's children as Sandela (Gentille) de CARCASSONE (died 1705
in Vienna). However, Michael Berolzheimer's papers in the Leo Baeck
Institute (chapter 7 pp 84-87; pp 644-647 in the .pdf file, 683-686
for the English translation) states clearly several times that Sandela
was Samuel's second wife who only bore Samuel one daughter. He claims
that Samuel's first wife (name unknown, died 11 Mar 1673) was the
mother of his other children.
I cannot find Berolzheimer's footnotes anywhere in the file, so I
don't know the source. Does anyone have this information? Thank you.


German SIG #Germany RE: Samuel OPPENHEIMER-HEIDELBERG (died Vienna 1703) #germany

Ralph Baer
 

It has been about 30 years since I visited this problem. I am a descendant
of Gentille (Sandella) CARCASSONE and her first husband Moses Abraham ASTRUK
through their son Calmon ASTRUK, born about 1660 in Mannheim.

If I remember correctly, in the family tree "Die Familie Mayer
(Astruk)=Hirsch" in the Berthold Rosenthal, also on line on the Leo Baeck
Institute web site, there is a lengthy discussion of both of Gentille
CARCASSONE's marriages and the dates only make sense if those children of
Samuel OPPENHEIMER were not Gentille's.

Ralph N. Baer Washington, DC RalphNBaer@...

Subject: Samuel OPPENHEIMER-HEIDELBERG (died Vienna 1703)

Sun, 16 Sep David Dubin <davidmdubin@...> wrote:
Please help me clear up a discrepancy.
Most online trees have the mother of the 'shtadlan' Samuel
OPPENHEIMER's children as Sandela (Gentille) de CARCASSONE (died 1705
in Vienna). However, Michael Berolzheimer's papers in the Leo Baeck
Institute (chapter 7 pp 84-87; pp 644-647 in the .pdf file, 683-686
for the English translation) states clearly several times that Sandela
was Samuel's second wife who only bore Samuel one daughter. He claims
that Samuel's first wife (name unknown, died 11 Mar 1673) was the
mother of his other children.
I cannot find Berolzheimer's footnotes anywhere in the file, so I
don't know the source. Does anyone have this information? Thank you.


Re: Maharam Rothenburg inquiry by David Goldman #rabbinic

Janet Akaha <akaha@...>
 

Reply to David Goldman's inquiry about the Y-DNA of Maharam Rothenburg -
I started a project with Barbara Garrison called called R-Y19847 Merging
Paper Trail. It includes *confirmed* offspring of Rabbi Samson Wertheimer.
It also has a man descended >from the rabbinical Rokeach of Amsterdam, and
one man who claims that he is a pedigreed "Y" descendant of Meier of
Rothenburg. Of course one man can't validate the Y-DNA for a line.
I do see similar given names in the Wertheimer and Rothenburg line back in
the 16th C., and am hoping that we can find the connection. We would
love to have another documented descendant >from a distant cousin of our
member so we can validate the line.

Clearly this R1b group can't be a direct male "Y" descendant of a brother
of Rabbi Jacob Jehuda Weil and I haven't seen any evidence that any
members of the WIRTH group claim to be direct line descendants of Meier
of Rothenburg.

Janet Billstein Akaha
Salinas, California


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Maharam Rothenburg inquiry by David Goldman #rabbinic

Janet Akaha <akaha@...>
 

Reply to David Goldman's inquiry about the Y-DNA of Maharam Rothenburg -
I started a project with Barbara Garrison called called R-Y19847 Merging
Paper Trail. It includes *confirmed* offspring of Rabbi Samson Wertheimer.
It also has a man descended >from the rabbinical Rokeach of Amsterdam, and
one man who claims that he is a pedigreed "Y" descendant of Meier of
Rothenburg. Of course one man can't validate the Y-DNA for a line.
I do see similar given names in the Wertheimer and Rothenburg line back in
the 16th C., and am hoping that we can find the connection. We would
love to have another documented descendant >from a distant cousin of our
member so we can validate the line.

Clearly this R1b group can't be a direct male "Y" descendant of a brother
of Rabbi Jacob Jehuda Weil and I haven't seen any evidence that any
members of the WIRTH group claim to be direct line descendants of Meier
of Rothenburg.

Janet Billstein Akaha
Salinas, California


Looking for "Aszkenazy" from NY state. #general

Krzysztof Witaszek
 

Hello!
While researching my family which is Polish, I encountered the fact
that my grandfather's cousin Aleksander Sawinski (born 1894), living
that time with his wife Maria in Wieliczka (Poland) hid some Jewish
people during the war.

What I learned recently: those Jews were corresponding with Aleksander
after the war, till late 60's. The next owner of Aleksander's house
looked into the letters that were left by Aleksander in the attic,
but unfortunately destroyed them later. What he remembers is that the
name was Aszkenazy (or Ashkenazy) and that they came >from NY state.
Inside they expressed thanks for saving their lives. The letters were
written in Polish by a man with "typical Jewish name" as well as from
other members of the family.

I learned also that some group of Jews >from US, before the year 2007
visited the house in Wieliczka, where Aleksander lived during the war
and tried to ask the current owner whether he knew what occurred in that
house during the war, but because of the language barrier they did not
understand each other very well.

Aleksander and his wife died in 1983 and they had no children. They
did not talk about those events with my grandmother, who had some
contact with them. Aleksander's wife's family also knows very little
about it. I am trying to shed some light on it, and I would be very
thankful for any help or advice on how to find this Aszkenazy family.

I looked in the Yad Vashem database and I have found on the list of
Jews who survived >from Wieliczka ("List of Jewish survivors >from Wieliczka
who returned to their place of residence >from before the war during
the first half of 1945") only one Aszkenazy (Dawid, born 1906, former
merchant and widower). I don't know whether the hidden Jews were from
Wieliczka or >from somewhere else, so I don't know if this was the
person.

I appreciate any help you can offer.

Best regards

Krzysztof Witaszek
Lublin, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for "Aszkenazy" from NY state. #general

Krzysztof Witaszek
 

Hello!
While researching my family which is Polish, I encountered the fact
that my grandfather's cousin Aleksander Sawinski (born 1894), living
that time with his wife Maria in Wieliczka (Poland) hid some Jewish
people during the war.

What I learned recently: those Jews were corresponding with Aleksander
after the war, till late 60's. The next owner of Aleksander's house
looked into the letters that were left by Aleksander in the attic,
but unfortunately destroyed them later. What he remembers is that the
name was Aszkenazy (or Ashkenazy) and that they came >from NY state.
Inside they expressed thanks for saving their lives. The letters were
written in Polish by a man with "typical Jewish name" as well as from
other members of the family.

I learned also that some group of Jews >from US, before the year 2007
visited the house in Wieliczka, where Aleksander lived during the war
and tried to ask the current owner whether he knew what occurred in that
house during the war, but because of the language barrier they did not
understand each other very well.

Aleksander and his wife died in 1983 and they had no children. They
did not talk about those events with my grandmother, who had some
contact with them. Aleksander's wife's family also knows very little
about it. I am trying to shed some light on it, and I would be very
thankful for any help or advice on how to find this Aszkenazy family.

I looked in the Yad Vashem database and I have found on the list of
Jews who survived >from Wieliczka ("List of Jewish survivors >from Wieliczka
who returned to their place of residence >from before the war during
the first half of 1945") only one Aszkenazy (Dawid, born 1906, former
merchant and widower). I don't know whether the hidden Jews were from
Wieliczka or >from somewhere else, so I don't know if this was the
person.

I appreciate any help you can offer.

Best regards

Krzysztof Witaszek
Lublin, Poland


Looking for Kahn family members related to or descended from Jack Kahn, from Johannesburg, South Africa #general

Adrian Ferramosca <acferrad@...>
 

I am looking for more information on Jack Kahn who used to play golf at
Parkview Golf Club in the 60's. I have found a death record on
ancestry.com which may be the same person. This states he was born 10
Oct 1914 and died on 22 May 2006 in Johannesburg. He was married to Elma
Lillian Kahn.

Would anyone have any information or where I might go to find more
information?

Adrian Ferramosca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Kahn family members related to or descended from Jack Kahn, from Johannesburg, South Africa #general

Adrian Ferramosca <acferrad@...>
 

I am looking for more information on Jack Kahn who used to play golf at
Parkview Golf Club in the 60's. I have found a death record on
ancestry.com which may be the same person. This states he was born 10
Oct 1914 and died on 22 May 2006 in Johannesburg. He was married to Elma
Lillian Kahn.

Would anyone have any information or where I might go to find more
information?

Adrian Ferramosca