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Re: Family name KATZOFF - meaning #general

Percy Mett
 

I do not know anything about the lumber trade, but a katzoff is a butcher

Perets Mett
London

On 25 Dec 2018,Yoni Ben-Ari wrote:

Researching the name KATZOFF - with a "kuf" and not a "kaf" we found
that it has to do with people in the lumber trade. Does anyone know of
any other meaning? Origins >from Brest-Litovsk (Brisk).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Family name KATZOFF - meaning #general

Percy Mett
 

I do not know anything about the lumber trade, but a katzoff is a butcher

Perets Mett
London

On 25 Dec 2018,Yoni Ben-Ari wrote:

Researching the name KATZOFF - with a "kuf" and not a "kaf" we found
that it has to do with people in the lumber trade. Does anyone know of
any other meaning? Origins >from Brest-Litovsk (Brisk).


New and Updated Databases on IGRA's Website #general

Elena Bazes
 

The Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA) has just released new
and updated databases on its website. There are over 1,300,000 records
available in our databases. We want to thank the participating
archives and the many volunteers who have prepared these databases.
With each release we provide a variety of records to our collection.

A preview of the databases is available at

https://www.slideshare.net/igra3/dec-2018-igrarelease

New Databases

Tel Aviv Census, Mahlul Neighborhood 1928 1,038 listings

Information available include family name, first name, name of father,
age, profession and address -- Hebrew. >from the Historical Municipal
Archives of Tel Aviv-Yafo (Images available)

Internees in Occupied Territories 1941-2 195 listings

The forms are in Latin characters and include the name, age, amount of
monthly relief received, the camp they were in, the last permanent
address of record and nearest relatives or friends of British Subjects
(Palestinian) interned in occupied France. >from the Israel State
Archives. (Images available)

Secret Fleet 275 listings

This is part of our Illegal Immigration collection. The names are in
English. The list comes >from "The Jews' Secret Fleet" by Murray S.
Greenfield and Joseph M. Hochstein, Gefen Publishing House Ltd, 2010-
"This is the dramatic story of the rescue of Jews >from Europe after
World War II by North American Jewish volunteers. These men and their
ships smashed through the British blockade and brought thousands of
refugees to safe haven in Palestine." (No images)

Altalena 1948 363 listings

These are lists of those who were immigrants on the Altalena. The
information available (in Latin characters) includes the name (first
and last), date of birth, city and country of birth. >from the
Jabotinsky Institute in Israel (Images available)

Egged Employees 1949 289 listings

Information available: family name, first name, address, sometimes a
signature. >from the Egged Bus Co. Historical Archive -- Hebrew (Images
available)

Updated Databases

Palestine Marriage/Divorce Certificates
2,618 listings

Additional marriage/divorce certificates have been added to this
impressive database. These certificates may be typed or handwritten
and include names of bride and groom, their residence, the community
they belong to, their age and their occupation. It also includes
information names of the parents, their occupation and where they
live. >from the Israel State Archives (Images available)

"Operation on Eagles Wings", January 1950 2,138 Listings

The names of the individuals participating in this extraordinary
Aliyah are available and there is information about where they came
from, the camp they were in, and some identifying information. There
is a link at the bottom of the page which will take you to the pages
with much more additional data. >from the JDC Archives (No images)

1963 Telephone Directory, Letters P-Q, second half of S 4,378 Listings

The phone book is in English and the available information includes
the name, address and phone number and possibly more. >from the Library
of Congress (Images available)

Voter List – Knesset Israel, Tel Aviv, (Appendix A, Letters tzadi - tuf)
1936 29,370 Listings

The data available includes the name of the father, the age of the
voter, sex of the individual, the community they were affiliated with
and where they lived at that time. This database is in Hebrew. From
the Historical Municipal Archives of Tel Aviv-Yaffo (Images
available.)

Please note, the IGRA databases are now searchable to all registrants.
The search results page is also available to all registrants.
Additional details regarding most databases are available only to paid
IGRA members. Certain exceptions exist due to requests of the specific
archives.

Before viewing the databases, please register for free on the IGRA website:

http://genealogy.org.il/

To view the databases, go to

https://genealogy.org.il/AID/

Elena Biegel Bazes
IGRA Publicity Chairperson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New and Updated Databases on IGRA's Website #general

Elena Bazes
 

The Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA) has just released new
and updated databases on its website. There are over 1,300,000 records
available in our databases. We want to thank the participating
archives and the many volunteers who have prepared these databases.
With each release we provide a variety of records to our collection.

A preview of the databases is available at

https://www.slideshare.net/igra3/dec-2018-igrarelease

New Databases

Tel Aviv Census, Mahlul Neighborhood 1928 1,038 listings

Information available include family name, first name, name of father,
age, profession and address -- Hebrew. >from the Historical Municipal
Archives of Tel Aviv-Yafo (Images available)

Internees in Occupied Territories 1941-2 195 listings

The forms are in Latin characters and include the name, age, amount of
monthly relief received, the camp they were in, the last permanent
address of record and nearest relatives or friends of British Subjects
(Palestinian) interned in occupied France. >from the Israel State
Archives. (Images available)

Secret Fleet 275 listings

This is part of our Illegal Immigration collection. The names are in
English. The list comes >from "The Jews' Secret Fleet" by Murray S.
Greenfield and Joseph M. Hochstein, Gefen Publishing House Ltd, 2010-
"This is the dramatic story of the rescue of Jews >from Europe after
World War II by North American Jewish volunteers. These men and their
ships smashed through the British blockade and brought thousands of
refugees to safe haven in Palestine." (No images)

Altalena 1948 363 listings

These are lists of those who were immigrants on the Altalena. The
information available (in Latin characters) includes the name (first
and last), date of birth, city and country of birth. >from the
Jabotinsky Institute in Israel (Images available)

Egged Employees 1949 289 listings

Information available: family name, first name, address, sometimes a
signature. >from the Egged Bus Co. Historical Archive -- Hebrew (Images
available)

Updated Databases

Palestine Marriage/Divorce Certificates
2,618 listings

Additional marriage/divorce certificates have been added to this
impressive database. These certificates may be typed or handwritten
and include names of bride and groom, their residence, the community
they belong to, their age and their occupation. It also includes
information names of the parents, their occupation and where they
live. >from the Israel State Archives (Images available)

"Operation on Eagles Wings", January 1950 2,138 Listings

The names of the individuals participating in this extraordinary
Aliyah are available and there is information about where they came
from, the camp they were in, and some identifying information. There
is a link at the bottom of the page which will take you to the pages
with much more additional data. >from the JDC Archives (No images)

1963 Telephone Directory, Letters P-Q, second half of S 4,378 Listings

The phone book is in English and the available information includes
the name, address and phone number and possibly more. >from the Library
of Congress (Images available)

Voter List – Knesset Israel, Tel Aviv, (Appendix A, Letters tzadi - tuf)
1936 29,370 Listings

The data available includes the name of the father, the age of the
voter, sex of the individual, the community they were affiliated with
and where they lived at that time. This database is in Hebrew. From
the Historical Municipal Archives of Tel Aviv-Yaffo (Images
available.)

Please note, the IGRA databases are now searchable to all registrants.
The search results page is also available to all registrants.
Additional details regarding most databases are available only to paid
IGRA members. Certain exceptions exist due to requests of the specific
archives.

Before viewing the databases, please register for free on the IGRA website:

http://genealogy.org.il/

To view the databases, go to

https://genealogy.org.il/AID/

Elena Biegel Bazes
IGRA Publicity Chairperson


Bavarian anti-Semitism #germany

Diana da Costa
 

Over the years I heard it said that
a) Bavaria, even prior to the Nazification of Germany, had been for a long
time one of the most systemically anti-Semitic parts of what was, under
Bismarck, to become Germany.
b) As a consequence, partly through Streicher's activities in Nuremberg, the
Nuremberg rallies, the murder/assassination of Dr. Rudolf Benario in April
1933 - Jews >from Bavaria, were perhaps better forewarned, left earlier than
Jews in other parts of Germany and proportionately less perished.

Is this true or myth? I should be most grateful to hear GerSIG views.

With all good wishes for 2019,

Diana (Mohr) Gomes da Costa, Kent UK - formerly >from London -
Researcher number: 166938 email: dianadacosta@btinternet.com

Researches include ARNSTEIN, BACH, BASS, BERLIN, COHN, DITTMANN, FLACHFELD,
GUETERMANN, HAHN, HELLMANN, HIRSCHMANN, KOHN, KRAILSHEIMER, KUGLER, LOEWI,
MANES, MARX, MENDEL, MORGENTHAU, MOHR, ROSENFELD, ROSENWALD, UHLMANN,
WEIKERSHEIMER and ZIRNDORFER - all originally >from Bavaria, mainly Furth,
Nurnberg and Bamberg as listed in the JGFF database.


German SIG #Germany Bavarian anti-Semitism #germany

Diana da Costa
 

Over the years I heard it said that
a) Bavaria, even prior to the Nazification of Germany, had been for a long
time one of the most systemically anti-Semitic parts of what was, under
Bismarck, to become Germany.
b) As a consequence, partly through Streicher's activities in Nuremberg, the
Nuremberg rallies, the murder/assassination of Dr. Rudolf Benario in April
1933 - Jews >from Bavaria, were perhaps better forewarned, left earlier than
Jews in other parts of Germany and proportionately less perished.

Is this true or myth? I should be most grateful to hear GerSIG views.

With all good wishes for 2019,

Diana (Mohr) Gomes da Costa, Kent UK - formerly >from London -
Researcher number: 166938 email: dianadacosta@btinternet.com

Researches include ARNSTEIN, BACH, BASS, BERLIN, COHN, DITTMANN, FLACHFELD,
GUETERMANN, HAHN, HELLMANN, HIRSCHMANN, KOHN, KRAILSHEIMER, KUGLER, LOEWI,
MANES, MARX, MENDEL, MORGENTHAU, MOHR, ROSENFELD, ROSENWALD, UHLMANN,
WEIKERSHEIMER and ZIRNDORFER - all originally >from Bavaria, mainly Furth,
Nurnberg and Bamberg as listed in the JGFF database.


Missing documents from Posen #germany

Jeremy Lichtman <jeremy@...>
 

I've been trying to trace what happened to the Jewish
birth/marriage/death aktas (documents) >from an area of (today) western
Poland for some time. The Kreis (district) of Turek, which is a little
to the east of Kalisz, has few documents of this nature remaining.

I recently discovered a WW2 era document, written in German, in the
Polish archives. It details the existing records for several towns in
the district (Dobra, Tuliszkow, Turek, Uniejow, Wladyslawow) as of 1943.

There are several letters >from 1942/1943 also attached. One acknowledges
receipt in the town of Posen of the registers. Two more >from 1943 (I
think >from the district court, but not sure where that was) ask why
three boxes containing the listed records had not been shipped yet, and
then in response various excuses. A scan of the entire thing can be
found here:
https://searcharchives.pl/53/801/0/14.38/280/str/1/1/15#tabSkany

My question is thus: assuming that those documents were ultimately
shipped somewhere, what would have happened to them? Were they
destroyed? Misplaced? Sitting in a back room of the Berlin archives? How
would I go about tracing them, assuming they're still extant (and given
that this document appears to list specific inventory numbers for the
boxes)?

Finding them would be a major genealogical breakthrough for potentially
thousands of families originating in that area.

Regards, Jeremy Lichtman, Toronto, Canada

Researching WARTSKI and COHEN >from Turek and eastern Posen


German SIG #Germany Missing documents from Posen #germany

Jeremy Lichtman <jeremy@...>
 

I've been trying to trace what happened to the Jewish
birth/marriage/death aktas (documents) >from an area of (today) western
Poland for some time. The Kreis (district) of Turek, which is a little
to the east of Kalisz, has few documents of this nature remaining.

I recently discovered a WW2 era document, written in German, in the
Polish archives. It details the existing records for several towns in
the district (Dobra, Tuliszkow, Turek, Uniejow, Wladyslawow) as of 1943.

There are several letters >from 1942/1943 also attached. One acknowledges
receipt in the town of Posen of the registers. Two more >from 1943 (I
think >from the district court, but not sure where that was) ask why
three boxes containing the listed records had not been shipped yet, and
then in response various excuses. A scan of the entire thing can be
found here:
https://searcharchives.pl/53/801/0/14.38/280/str/1/1/15#tabSkany

My question is thus: assuming that those documents were ultimately
shipped somewhere, what would have happened to them? Were they
destroyed? Misplaced? Sitting in a back room of the Berlin archives? How
would I go about tracing them, assuming they're still extant (and given
that this document appears to list specific inventory numbers for the
boxes)?

Finding them would be a major genealogical breakthrough for potentially
thousands of families originating in that area.

Regards, Jeremy Lichtman, Toronto, Canada

Researching WARTSKI and COHEN >from Turek and eastern Posen


Keshmer, Roumania? #romania

Hilary Henkin
 

Hi all!

I haven't been doing much research lately (Life has a way of intruding
on our hobbies, darn it), but I was checking for a cousin (the other
side of her family), and found 2 ancestors who were born in Keshmer,
Roumania.  Does anyone know of this town, and where it is/what it's
called now?

I've checked the JGen Town Finder, and the only results are in Poland,
west of Lublin, not near Roumania at all.

The two individuals were born in Keshmer in 1883 and 1884. The
information is on his Declaration of Intention (1920) and Petition for
Naturalization (1922), and the writing is very clear.
Their passenger list says their last residence was [what looks like]
"Rospopeny."

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Happy Holidays!
Hilary Henkin

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN; BELIISKI; HENKIN - GENKIN; MESCENIKOV;POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS; LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN - AVRUTIN;
PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY - SEMERNITSKY; STEINHART
Romania: DONNENFIELD; DOLLINGER;RINCOVER - HARINCOVER;WISENTHAL -
VIESENTAUL
Harbin, China:FELDMAN;PENZNER;SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland: KATZ; JARMUSZ


Romania SIG #Romania Keshmer, Roumania? #romania

Hilary Henkin
 

Hi all!

I haven't been doing much research lately (Life has a way of intruding
on our hobbies, darn it), but I was checking for a cousin (the other
side of her family), and found 2 ancestors who were born in Keshmer,
Roumania.  Does anyone know of this town, and where it is/what it's
called now?

I've checked the JGen Town Finder, and the only results are in Poland,
west of Lublin, not near Roumania at all.

The two individuals were born in Keshmer in 1883 and 1884. The
information is on his Declaration of Intention (1920) and Petition for
Naturalization (1922), and the writing is very clear.
Their passenger list says their last residence was [what looks like]
"Rospopeny."

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Happy Holidays!
Hilary Henkin

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN; BELIISKI; HENKIN - GENKIN; MESCENIKOV;POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS; LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN - AVRUTIN;
PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY - SEMERNITSKY; STEINHART
Romania: DONNENFIELD; DOLLINGER;RINCOVER - HARINCOVER;WISENTHAL -
VIESENTAUL
Harbin, China:FELDMAN;PENZNER;SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland: KATZ; JARMUSZ


ViewMate translation request - Russian: MANELA, ORENBUCH, SENDOWSKI, ABZAC, BLAWAT from Lodz #poland

Ofer Manela
 

Dear All,

I've posted 5 vital records in Russian for which I need a translation.

They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70767
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70768
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70769
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70770
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70770

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Many thanks,
Ofer Manela
Petach-Tikva

Researching:
KLIN / KLEIN, TIMBERG, HALMAN / HELMAN Chrzanow, Krakow
MANELA, KWART, GOLDRAT Everywhere
LANDAU / LANDA Szczekociny, Piotrkow Trybunalski, Rozprza,
/TRAJMAN Szczekociny
LINDNER/LONDNER LEWI, Szczekociny, Zarnowiec, Koniecpol
MIKULICKI - Lida area


JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate translation request - Russian: MANELA, ORENBUCH, SENDOWSKI, ABZAC, BLAWAT from Lodz #poland

Ofer Manela
 

Dear All,

I've posted 5 vital records in Russian for which I need a translation.

They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70767
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70768
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70769
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70770
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70770

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Many thanks,
Ofer Manela
Petach-Tikva

Researching:
KLIN / KLEIN, TIMBERG, HALMAN / HELMAN Chrzanow, Krakow
MANELA, KWART, GOLDRAT Everywhere
LANDAU / LANDA Szczekociny, Piotrkow Trybunalski, Rozprza,
/TRAJMAN Szczekociny
LINDNER/LONDNER LEWI, Szczekociny, Zarnowiec, Koniecpol
MIKULICKI - Lida area


Re: Recording or videoing in a cemetery--Do you know if prior approval by next of kin is required #general

Herbert Lazerow
 

I am asking if anyone, anywhere in the world, other than
Western Australia, is aware of a policy that before photographing
or videoing a cemetery headstone (metzevah) prior approval by
next of kin is required.>
I do not.
While the stones themselves are in the public domain, prohibiting
photography is a quandary for genealogists.>
It is not clear why the stones should be in the public domain. See below.
The Western Australia Metropolitan Cemeteries Board charges for
taking photographs...>
This is the rule >from their bylaws as amended in 1996:
Recording on film or videotape Substituted 19/1/96 80
(1) A person shall not, without the prior approval of the Board,
record on film or videotape any image or sound within a Cemetery.
(2) A person shall not record on film or videotape a funeral,
headstone or memorial within a Cemetery without the prior
approval of the next of kin of the deceased person whose funeral, headstone
or memorial is being recorded.">
It appears >from the text of the rule that one must receive two
approvals to make a copy of a stone-- one >from the next of kin, and a
second >from the Board. It may be that the Board's interpretation of
this rule is that it approves if the next of kin approves. If the next
of kin does not approve or cannot be found, approval must come from
the board.
The copyright law protects original expressions >from copying.
Copyright law differs >from country to country. This description only
applies to U.S. copyright law.
The amount of originality required for copyright is not great, but
there must be some originality. Only the original aspects of the work
are protected by copyright. The recitation of facts is not
sufficiently original for copyright, so the inscription of the
deceased's name, date of birth, date of death, and the usual symbols
would not qualify for copyright. A photograph of decedent would, as
well as an unusual relief. Whether the copyright belongs to the
photographer, the stonecutter, or the next of kin will depend on the
relationship between them; it would not belong to the cemetery, so the
cemetery could not authorize copying it.
A second argument for restricting photos is a property argument.
Normally, the owner of property can decide who can come on that
property and what they can do when there. Technically, this argument
in favor of the cemetery would only work if this cemetery only granted
a right of burial, and not if it conveyed an ownership interest in the
grave.
Another thing to consider is that the Western Australia
Metropolitan Cemeteries Board sounds like a government agency. If so,
it would be bound by the rules establishing it, and it might be
subject to public pressure.
As a matter of policy, I see some justification for limiting
filming in cemeteries in order to preserve the dignity of the place
and the quiet of those who visit graves. It seems reasonable for a
cemetery to limit the times and manner in which film can be made to
protect those values. It is hard to see much reason to restrict
cellphone pictures, which are not usually accompanied by crowds,
lighting, or other distracting equipment.
Bert
--
Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego

MODERATOR NOTE: Please continue privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Recording or videoing in a cemetery--Do you know if prior approval by next of kin is required #general

Herbert Lazerow
 

I am asking if anyone, anywhere in the world, other than
Western Australia, is aware of a policy that before photographing
or videoing a cemetery headstone (metzevah) prior approval by
next of kin is required.>
I do not.
While the stones themselves are in the public domain, prohibiting
photography is a quandary for genealogists.>
It is not clear why the stones should be in the public domain. See below.
The Western Australia Metropolitan Cemeteries Board charges for
taking photographs...>
This is the rule >from their bylaws as amended in 1996:
Recording on film or videotape Substituted 19/1/96 80
(1) A person shall not, without the prior approval of the Board,
record on film or videotape any image or sound within a Cemetery.
(2) A person shall not record on film or videotape a funeral,
headstone or memorial within a Cemetery without the prior
approval of the next of kin of the deceased person whose funeral, headstone
or memorial is being recorded.">
It appears >from the text of the rule that one must receive two
approvals to make a copy of a stone-- one >from the next of kin, and a
second >from the Board. It may be that the Board's interpretation of
this rule is that it approves if the next of kin approves. If the next
of kin does not approve or cannot be found, approval must come from
the board.
The copyright law protects original expressions >from copying.
Copyright law differs >from country to country. This description only
applies to U.S. copyright law.
The amount of originality required for copyright is not great, but
there must be some originality. Only the original aspects of the work
are protected by copyright. The recitation of facts is not
sufficiently original for copyright, so the inscription of the
deceased's name, date of birth, date of death, and the usual symbols
would not qualify for copyright. A photograph of decedent would, as
well as an unusual relief. Whether the copyright belongs to the
photographer, the stonecutter, or the next of kin will depend on the
relationship between them; it would not belong to the cemetery, so the
cemetery could not authorize copying it.
A second argument for restricting photos is a property argument.
Normally, the owner of property can decide who can come on that
property and what they can do when there. Technically, this argument
in favor of the cemetery would only work if this cemetery only granted
a right of burial, and not if it conveyed an ownership interest in the
grave.
Another thing to consider is that the Western Australia
Metropolitan Cemeteries Board sounds like a government agency. If so,
it would be bound by the rules establishing it, and it might be
subject to public pressure.
As a matter of policy, I see some justification for limiting
filming in cemeteries in order to preserve the dignity of the place
and the quiet of those who visit graves. It seems reasonable for a
cemetery to limit the times and manner in which film can be made to
protect those values. It is hard to see much reason to restrict
cellphone pictures, which are not usually accompanied by crowds,
lighting, or other distracting equipment.
Bert
--
Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego

MODERATOR NOTE: Please continue privately.


INTRO - researching askenazic winter folk traditions #germany

Milo Axelrod <miloaxelrod@...>
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. My family has been doing genealogy research
for ~10 years, but I consider myself to be a beginner in doing German
Jewish Genealogy research. I live in the Hudson Valley, New York. My
native language is English. I consider myself an expert in using a
computer, and my experience in using the Internet is extensive. We
have identified the names and birth and death dates of all of my
grandparents, all of my great grandparents and most of my great great
grandparents.

My primary research goals now are to rediscover the ashkenazic winter
folk traditions of my family and of the regions my family is from
that were lost in the process of emigration and assimilation.

Pagan winter holiday traditions (like the making and hanging of wreathes,
decorating with holly and mistletoe, the tradition of giving gifts,
green and red, caroling, etc) in the US are mainly considered to just
be "winter traditions" by the general public, when they are actually
Pagan in origin - a history that many secular Americans can relate to,
but not Ashkenazim.

Its very frustrating to be told over and over that I should be able to
relate to and appreciate these things when I do not. This year during
my annual month-long frustration I refer to as "December", I realized
that much of that discomfort is because these types of traditions are
wholly missing >from my family. We have the culinary and musical
traditions, but the traditional decorations and activities equivalent
to the pagan ones I mentioned above are missing. (And let's be real,
commercialized Hanukkah traditions do not count.)

I have family originating from:
- Gerabronn, Germany (near Frankfurt)
- Checiny, Poland (near Krakow)
- Chernivtsi, Ukraine (close to Romania)
- Odesa, Ukraine

If anyone has information or stories about traditions like this from
these regions, please reach out. Thanks so much!

Milo Axelrod, New Paltz, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply off-list to miloaxelrod@gmail.com
This question is off-topic to Gen. research


German SIG #Germany INTRO - researching askenazic winter folk traditions #germany

Milo Axelrod <miloaxelrod@...>
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. My family has been doing genealogy research
for ~10 years, but I consider myself to be a beginner in doing German
Jewish Genealogy research. I live in the Hudson Valley, New York. My
native language is English. I consider myself an expert in using a
computer, and my experience in using the Internet is extensive. We
have identified the names and birth and death dates of all of my
grandparents, all of my great grandparents and most of my great great
grandparents.

My primary research goals now are to rediscover the ashkenazic winter
folk traditions of my family and of the regions my family is from
that were lost in the process of emigration and assimilation.

Pagan winter holiday traditions (like the making and hanging of wreathes,
decorating with holly and mistletoe, the tradition of giving gifts,
green and red, caroling, etc) in the US are mainly considered to just
be "winter traditions" by the general public, when they are actually
Pagan in origin - a history that many secular Americans can relate to,
but not Ashkenazim.

Its very frustrating to be told over and over that I should be able to
relate to and appreciate these things when I do not. This year during
my annual month-long frustration I refer to as "December", I realized
that much of that discomfort is because these types of traditions are
wholly missing >from my family. We have the culinary and musical
traditions, but the traditional decorations and activities equivalent
to the pagan ones I mentioned above are missing. (And let's be real,
commercialized Hanukkah traditions do not count.)

I have family originating from:
- Gerabronn, Germany (near Frankfurt)
- Checiny, Poland (near Krakow)
- Chernivtsi, Ukraine (close to Romania)
- Odesa, Ukraine

If anyone has information or stories about traditions like this from
these regions, please reach out. Thanks so much!

Milo Axelrod, New Paltz, New York

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Family name KATZOFF - meaning #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Researching the name KATZOFF - with a "kuf" and not a "kaf" we found
that it has to do with people in the lumber trade. Does anyone know of
any other meaning? Origins >from Brest-Litovsk (Brisk).

TIA

Yoni Ben-Ari (Katzoff)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family name KATZOFF - meaning #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Researching the name KATZOFF - with a "kuf" and not a "kaf" we found
that it has to do with people in the lumber trade. Does anyone know of
any other meaning? Origins >from Brest-Litovsk (Brisk).

TIA

Yoni Ben-Ari (Katzoff)


Allied bombing of train line near Strasshof? #hungary

drjudystone@...
 

I'm looking for more details about this information >from a cousin:

In March or April of 1945 the family was sent back to Strasshof for
several weeks.(They had been in Lobau, outside Vienna, then moved to
Solino when the bombing of the refineries worsened.)
They were loaded back into cattle cars. Rumors were that the train
was taking them to Bergen-Belsen. An allied air raid struck the train;
all the people in the wagon two cars ahead of them were killed in that
bomb strike. Mari recounted tearfully that her grandmother said,
â??Letâ??s pray. G-d listens to the prayers of children.â??

Is this familiar to anyone?
Thank you again.

Judy Stone
Maryland

researching: GLATTSTEIN >from Debrecen, Miskolc, Tisza areas

EHRENFELD >from Sarand, Debrecen


Hungary SIG #Hungary Allied bombing of train line near Strasshof? #hungary

drjudystone@...
 

I'm looking for more details about this information >from a cousin:

In March or April of 1945 the family was sent back to Strasshof for
several weeks.(They had been in Lobau, outside Vienna, then moved to
Solino when the bombing of the refineries worsened.)
They were loaded back into cattle cars. Rumors were that the train
was taking them to Bergen-Belsen. An allied air raid struck the train;
all the people in the wagon two cars ahead of them were killed in that
bomb strike. Mari recounted tearfully that her grandmother said,
â??Letâ??s pray. G-d listens to the prayers of children.â??

Is this familiar to anyone?
Thank you again.

Judy Stone
Maryland

researching: GLATTSTEIN >from Debrecen, Miskolc, Tisza areas

EHRENFELD >from Sarand, Debrecen

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