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chance of a longest segment being 106.5 cM for a second cousin #dna

Herbert Lazerow
 

I cannot answer either of your questions; perhaps a professional
statistician could.
It seems to me that the 106.5 is more in the range of first
cousins. My two first cousins on MyHeritage and I share longest
segments of 82 and 115 cMs, but the total shared in both cases is
almost 900cMs. On Family Tree DNA, the same two first cousins measure
in slightly lower: 866/61 and 835/108. A third first cousin claims
1108/114.
As for second cousins on MyHeritage, they range >from 291/75 to
240/43 [259/40 on FamilyTreeDNA], to 200/21. Second cousins on
FamilyTreeDNA are at 259/40, 234/27 and 194/25.
I conclude that those six recombinations provide much room for
variation, but even granting that, I suspect that 106.5 cMs as a
longest shared segment is probably unusual for a second cousin. Of my
5 known second cousins who have tested, none are anywhere near 106.5
cMs.

Bert
--
Herbert Lazerow
lazer@sandiego.edu

My second cousin and I share a longest
segment of 106.5 cM's. His maternal grandmother and my paternal
grandmother were sisters, but this is not X-DNA. (The total number of
our shared cM's is 310.6)
If I understand correctly, there were six chances of recombination
between the great-grandparent generation and our generation. (If my
understanding is incorrect, I would very much appreciate it if someone
would enlighten me.)
What is the statistical likelihood of a run of 106cM's remaining
intact in 6 chances of recombination? It seems to me that it would be
rather low.


DNA Research #DNA chance of a longest segment being 106.5 cM for a second cousin #dna

Herbert Lazerow
 

I cannot answer either of your questions; perhaps a professional
statistician could.
It seems to me that the 106.5 is more in the range of first
cousins. My two first cousins on MyHeritage and I share longest
segments of 82 and 115 cMs, but the total shared in both cases is
almost 900cMs. On Family Tree DNA, the same two first cousins measure
in slightly lower: 866/61 and 835/108. A third first cousin claims
1108/114.
As for second cousins on MyHeritage, they range >from 291/75 to
240/43 [259/40 on FamilyTreeDNA], to 200/21. Second cousins on
FamilyTreeDNA are at 259/40, 234/27 and 194/25.
I conclude that those six recombinations provide much room for
variation, but even granting that, I suspect that 106.5 cMs as a
longest shared segment is probably unusual for a second cousin. Of my
5 known second cousins who have tested, none are anywhere near 106.5
cMs.

Bert
--
Herbert Lazerow
lazer@sandiego.edu

My second cousin and I share a longest
segment of 106.5 cM's. His maternal grandmother and my paternal
grandmother were sisters, but this is not X-DNA. (The total number of
our shared cM's is 310.6)
If I understand correctly, there were six chances of recombination
between the great-grandparent generation and our generation. (If my
understanding is incorrect, I would very much appreciate it if someone
would enlighten me.)
What is the statistical likelihood of a run of 106cM's remaining
intact in 6 chances of recombination? It seems to me that it would be
rather low.


Moshel, Bernstein and Kern families #general

Neil@...
 

Trying to make contact with descendants of the Moshel family which
traces back to Rosenblatt, Francos and the Horowitz rabbinical line.
The family includes Yaakov Yosef Moshel and his sister Perele who
married Rabbi Loius Bernstein of the RCA parents of Sara Peretz, David
Bernstein, Sima and Dr Jeff Kern and Avi Kern.

Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Private responses please.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Moshel, Bernstein and Kern families #general

Neil@...
 

Trying to make contact with descendants of the Moshel family which
traces back to Rosenblatt, Francos and the Horowitz rabbinical line.
The family includes Yaakov Yosef Moshel and his sister Perele who
married Rabbi Loius Bernstein of the RCA parents of Sara Peretz, David
Bernstein, Sima and Dr Jeff Kern and Avi Kern.

Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Private responses please.


Re: Thanks Re: Immigrant bank records? #general

Alan Shuchat
 

Martha,

Here's the JewishGen page for the Rosenbaum records

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/USA/PhilaRosenbaum.htm

It's hard to find these pages on JewishGen. I found them by searching for a
surname at the JewishGen homepage and specifying United States as the country.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

From: Martha Forsyth <theforsyths@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019

Thanks to all who have replied. I've already been able to prove that
one of the records I'd saved was *not* for the right person, but two
other ones *were* - these links proved particularly helpful:

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/USA/PhilaLipshutz.htm
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/USA/PhilaBlitzstein.htm
(Is there one for the Rosenbaum bank too? I can't find it!) And Moishe
Miller's explanation of how to use the Temple University site was
particularly helpful.

Martha Forsyth
Newton, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Thanks Re: Immigrant bank records? #general

Alan Shuchat
 

Martha,

Here's the JewishGen page for the Rosenbaum records

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/USA/PhilaRosenbaum.htm

It's hard to find these pages on JewishGen. I found them by searching for a
surname at the JewishGen homepage and specifying United States as the country.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

From: Martha Forsyth <theforsyths@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019

Thanks to all who have replied. I've already been able to prove that
one of the records I'd saved was *not* for the right person, but two
other ones *were* - these links proved particularly helpful:

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/USA/PhilaLipshutz.htm
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/USA/PhilaBlitzstein.htm
(Is there one for the Rosenbaum bank too? I can't find it!) And Moishe
Miller's explanation of how to use the Temple University site was
particularly helpful.

Martha Forsyth
Newton, MA


This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #general

Bruce Drake
 

Passover will soon be upon us and what better reading could there be than
"Holidays and Ceremonies," a long chapter >from the Yizkor book of Rietavas,
Lithuania (or Riteve). "Holidays were given to man in order that he should
be with himself, with his thoughts and with his people," the author writes.
This is a chapter you may want to keep, because it vividly describes in
detail the lives and traditions of the people of Riteve during the Sabbath
and all the holidays of the year.

The remembrance of Passover in Riteve tells of the ritual and celebration
of the holiday, but also includes an "unforgettable" Passover eve when the
community was thrown into "fear and panic" because of an event very similar
to the one that led to the 1905 pogroms in Kishinev, Moldavia when a gentile
boy went missing and Jews faced the same "blood libel" - that the blood of
the lost child had been used for the baking of their matzo. Through a
"miracle," the boy was found and tragedy averted and the community could go
on to celebrate Lag Ba'Omer and then Shavout which "carried the true grace
of the awakening of nature" when "the earth would grow flowers and grass.
The trees would blossom and the birds would sing."

URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/2205411209481022?__tn__=K-R

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD

Reseaching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #general

Bruce Drake
 

Passover will soon be upon us and what better reading could there be than
"Holidays and Ceremonies," a long chapter >from the Yizkor book of Rietavas,
Lithuania (or Riteve). "Holidays were given to man in order that he should
be with himself, with his thoughts and with his people," the author writes.
This is a chapter you may want to keep, because it vividly describes in
detail the lives and traditions of the people of Riteve during the Sabbath
and all the holidays of the year.

The remembrance of Passover in Riteve tells of the ritual and celebration
of the holiday, but also includes an "unforgettable" Passover eve when the
community was thrown into "fear and panic" because of an event very similar
to the one that led to the 1905 pogroms in Kishinev, Moldavia when a gentile
boy went missing and Jews faced the same "blood libel" - that the blood of
the lost child had been used for the baking of their matzo. Through a
"miracle," the boy was found and tragedy averted and the community could go
on to celebrate Lag Ba'Omer and then Shavout which "carried the true grace
of the awakening of nature" when "the earth would grow flowers and grass.
The trees would blossom and the birds would sing."

URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/2205411209481022?__tn__=K-R

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD

Reseaching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


Re: New York assistance #general

Trudy Barch
 

Thank you to everyone that contacted me.
Through your helpfulness, it has been proven that New York and Florida obits
are not my relatives.
The Illinois and Indiana obits have been found and proved that is my family.
Hope your genealogy "brick walls" are as successful.
Happy Passover to all.

Trudy Barch, FL

In researching New York online death index, I find possible deaths of 2
relatives. I thought they had retired to Florida.
All I can see is the data which does not prove if it is my relative or not.
Is there another way of seeing that data line? What cemetery are they at?
Are they buried together? Any help will be appreciated.
The name is/was Julius Kay and Sylvia Kay.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: New York assistance #general

Trudy Barch
 

Thank you to everyone that contacted me.
Through your helpfulness, it has been proven that New York and Florida obits
are not my relatives.
The Illinois and Indiana obits have been found and proved that is my family.
Hope your genealogy "brick walls" are as successful.
Happy Passover to all.

Trudy Barch, FL

In researching New York online death index, I find possible deaths of 2
relatives. I thought they had retired to Florida.
All I can see is the data which does not prove if it is my relative or not.
Is there another way of seeing that data line? What cemetery are they at?
Are they buried together? Any help will be appreciated.
The name is/was Julius Kay and Sylvia Kay.


Jewish cemeteries, progress #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello researchers,

I want to add to my monthly report about the Jewish cemeteries project progress. I already told you
what is going on in Kishinev Jewish Cemetery, but here are more:

Brichany cemetery, Phase 2 - Clearing paths, cleaning, etc. - all work is done, photographs were
taken, and now team is working on indexing, deciphering the inscriptions. Hopefully, we will end
this project in 2-3 months.

Lipkany cemetery, Phase 2 - team of people are now at the cemetery cutting trees, cleaning, and
photographing the stones. It probably will need a second trip if one is not enough. Planning to do
everything including indexing by end of the year.

Ryshkany Jewish cemetery, planning to photograph this spring

Cemetery in Brazil, with people >from Bessarabia, transcription is done, and records will be sent to
JOWBR next month

Ataki Jewish Cemetery, Phase 2 - Clearing paths, cleaning will be done in the fall of 2019 or spring
of 2020

Klishkivtsi, TWO Jewish cemeteries - plan to work there in the fall of 2019

TWO MORE Jewish cemeteries were discovered in Bessarabia by Serghei Daniliuk! They are very small,
what left >from them, and photographing is done already. Serghei will send a message about it to our
group.

Please let me know if you have any questions, suggestions.

all the best,

Shabbat Shalom,
Yefim Kogan,
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Jewish cemeteries, progress #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello researchers,

I want to add to my monthly report about the Jewish cemeteries project progress. I already told you
what is going on in Kishinev Jewish Cemetery, but here are more:

Brichany cemetery, Phase 2 - Clearing paths, cleaning, etc. - all work is done, photographs were
taken, and now team is working on indexing, deciphering the inscriptions. Hopefully, we will end
this project in 2-3 months.

Lipkany cemetery, Phase 2 - team of people are now at the cemetery cutting trees, cleaning, and
photographing the stones. It probably will need a second trip if one is not enough. Planning to do
everything including indexing by end of the year.

Ryshkany Jewish cemetery, planning to photograph this spring

Cemetery in Brazil, with people >from Bessarabia, transcription is done, and records will be sent to
JOWBR next month

Ataki Jewish Cemetery, Phase 2 - Clearing paths, cleaning will be done in the fall of 2019 or spring
of 2020

Klishkivtsi, TWO Jewish cemeteries - plan to work there in the fall of 2019

TWO MORE Jewish cemeteries were discovered in Bessarabia by Serghei Daniliuk! They are very small,
what left >from them, and photographing is done already. Serghei will send a message about it to our
group.

Please let me know if you have any questions, suggestions.

all the best,

Shabbat Shalom,
Yefim Kogan,
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator


Searching for Family Roots - Chawe FLAMM nee WOLFSTHAL - Born in Husiatyn, Buried in Frankfurt #galicia

Yaron Wolfsthal
 

Dear Colleagues,

I am researching family roots, specifically focusing on Chawe FLAMM
nee WOLFSTHAL who was born in Husiatyn, Galicia (August 16, 1867),
moved to Germany at some point, and was buried in Frankfurt (March 11,
1930).

My specific challenge is in obtaining the names of Chawe's *mother*
and *father*. This info is key for my research. Chawe's birth in Husiatyn
is well documented in her death and late-marriage records, and in family
letters. But I could not find Chawe's birth record in JRI or Gesher Galicia.

Chawe was married to Jacob FLAMM. I have her marriage and death
records, but the parent names are not written in either of those.

In the diary of her late grandson, he mentions her grave in
Frankfurt's "Old Jewish Cemetery", "located about a mile >from the new
Cemetery that was opened in early 30s".

I would like to ask this group for help. Specifically,

(1) Any idea if and where I can find specific information about
Chawe's parents (Galicia)?

(2) Any idea if and how I can find this specific old Jewish cemetery
in Frankfurt, and the specific tombstone? Or a contact point?

Thank you,

Prof. Yaron Wolfsthal, Israel
Yaron.wolfsthal@gmail.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Searching for Family Roots - Chawe FLAMM nee WOLFSTHAL - Born in Husiatyn, Buried in Frankfurt #galicia

Yaron Wolfsthal
 

Dear Colleagues,

I am researching family roots, specifically focusing on Chawe FLAMM
nee WOLFSTHAL who was born in Husiatyn, Galicia (August 16, 1867),
moved to Germany at some point, and was buried in Frankfurt (March 11,
1930).

My specific challenge is in obtaining the names of Chawe's *mother*
and *father*. This info is key for my research. Chawe's birth in Husiatyn
is well documented in her death and late-marriage records, and in family
letters. But I could not find Chawe's birth record in JRI or Gesher Galicia.

Chawe was married to Jacob FLAMM. I have her marriage and death
records, but the parent names are not written in either of those.

In the diary of her late grandson, he mentions her grave in
Frankfurt's "Old Jewish Cemetery", "located about a mile >from the new
Cemetery that was opened in early 30s".

I would like to ask this group for help. Specifically,

(1) Any idea if and where I can find specific information about
Chawe's parents (Galicia)?

(2) Any idea if and how I can find this specific old Jewish cemetery
in Frankfurt, and the specific tombstone? Or a contact point?

Thank you,

Prof. Yaron Wolfsthal, Israel
Yaron.wolfsthal@gmail.com


Re: Birth record search help - Glatz/Klodzko, Silesia #germany

Roger Lustig
 

The records in Berlin are only the surviving duplicate registers, i.e.,
went to Berlin only if Poland had the other copy. They are indexed and
available on ancestry.com, including what looks to be a relatively
complete collection for Glatz. However, Nomi is looking for a post-WWII
record, so the relevant years will not be covered there.

Glatz birth records (first copy) over 100 years old should be in the
Wroclaw archive. The more recent ones are most likely at the USC
(registry) office in Klodzko.

Roger Lustig,  Princeton, NJ USA,  research coordinator, GerSIG

Corinna Woehrl wrote:
Hello Nomi,
as far as I know the BMD-records of the former "Eastern German
Provinces" are kept at the the "Standesamt" in Berlin and
"Landesarchiv Berlin" - the first keep the documents within the retention
period, the latter the older documents. You may have to use a
browser-translator as the information is solely provided in German:
<https://www.berlin.de/labo/buergerdienste/standesamt-i-in-berlin/>


German SIG #Germany Re: Birth record search help - Glatz/Klodzko, Silesia #germany

Roger Lustig
 

The records in Berlin are only the surviving duplicate registers, i.e.,
went to Berlin only if Poland had the other copy. They are indexed and
available on ancestry.com, including what looks to be a relatively
complete collection for Glatz. However, Nomi is looking for a post-WWII
record, so the relevant years will not be covered there.

Glatz birth records (first copy) over 100 years old should be in the
Wroclaw archive. The more recent ones are most likely at the USC
(registry) office in Klodzko.

Roger Lustig,  Princeton, NJ USA,  research coordinator, GerSIG

Corinna Woehrl wrote:
Hello Nomi,
as far as I know the BMD-records of the former "Eastern German
Provinces" are kept at the the "Standesamt" in Berlin and
"Landesarchiv Berlin" - the first keep the documents within the retention
period, the latter the older documents. You may have to use a
browser-translator as the information is solely provided in German:
<https://www.berlin.de/labo/buergerdienste/standesamt-i-in-berlin/>


Thanks Re: Acronym Puzzle: N I S F (a Puzzle no Longer) #general

Madeleine Isenberg
 

Hi Genners,

Once again the usefulness of this discussion group has come through.
Even before the digest of the day had reached my inbox, Glenda Rubin
came through with an answer and David Barrett with one slightly more
detailed. So not to keep the rest of you in suspense:

N = Netherland
I = Israelitisch
S = Sick
F = Fund

This was a Burial Society for Dutch deceased American Jews, presumably
very similar to other landsmanschaften.

I had found the photo of the people of interest about a year ago, and
apparently didn't remember this week that it had been in JOWBR. After
getting Glenda's response, I checked JOWBR again, and noted they were
indeed buried in "Bayside Cemetery/Netherlands Society #1 (Gate 18),"
in Queens, NY (see family name PEREIRA, for Esther and Jacob).

However, I'm not sure at that time I would have made the now obvious
connection to the acronym without the help of Glenda and David!

Thanks to all,

Madeleine Isenberg
madeleine.isenberg@gmail.com
Beverly Hills, CA

Researching: GOLDMAN, STEINER, LANGER, GLUECKSMAN, STOTTER in various
parts of Galicia, Poland, such as: Nowy Targ, Wachsmund, Dembno,
Lopuszna, Ochotnica, possibly Krakow, who migrated into Kezmarok or
nearby Straszky/Nagy-Eor/Nehre, both now in Slovakia.
GOLDSTEIN in Abaujszina (Sena), Szkaros, Szikso, and Kosice, Slovakia;
KOHN and GOLDSTEIN in Tolcsva, Hungary


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks Re: Acronym Puzzle: N I S F (a Puzzle no Longer) #general

Madeleine Isenberg
 

Hi Genners,

Once again the usefulness of this discussion group has come through.
Even before the digest of the day had reached my inbox, Glenda Rubin
came through with an answer and David Barrett with one slightly more
detailed. So not to keep the rest of you in suspense:

N = Netherland
I = Israelitisch
S = Sick
F = Fund

This was a Burial Society for Dutch deceased American Jews, presumably
very similar to other landsmanschaften.

I had found the photo of the people of interest about a year ago, and
apparently didn't remember this week that it had been in JOWBR. After
getting Glenda's response, I checked JOWBR again, and noted they were
indeed buried in "Bayside Cemetery/Netherlands Society #1 (Gate 18),"
in Queens, NY (see family name PEREIRA, for Esther and Jacob).

However, I'm not sure at that time I would have made the now obvious
connection to the acronym without the help of Glenda and David!

Thanks to all,

Madeleine Isenberg
madeleine.isenberg@gmail.com
Beverly Hills, CA

Researching: GOLDMAN, STEINER, LANGER, GLUECKSMAN, STOTTER in various
parts of Galicia, Poland, such as: Nowy Targ, Wachsmund, Dembno,
Lopuszna, Ochotnica, possibly Krakow, who migrated into Kezmarok or
nearby Straszky/Nagy-Eor/Nehre, both now in Slovakia.
GOLDSTEIN in Abaujszina (Sena), Szkaros, Szikso, and Kosice, Slovakia;
KOHN and GOLDSTEIN in Tolcsva, Hungary


Re: Dorna Vatra #romania

Paul Guth <pdguth@...>
 

Not wanting to start a controversy, I must point out that Vatra Dornei
is not the name used in the records and histories of the town.
The Austrian name was Dorna-Watra, and I cite the Bukovina birth
records in the JewishGen databases as well as Scholarly works,
such as "History of the Jews in the Bukovina" edited Dr. Hugo Gold
and written by Prof. Dr. H. Sternberg.

Paul Guth

On Apr 3, 2019, Monica Friedlander wrote:

Hope you don't mind me chiming in, but the town is Vatra Dornei.
The river is Dorna, but the city is Vatra Dornei ("of the Dorna").
It might create confusion in searches.


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Dorna Vatra #romania

Paul Guth <pdguth@...>
 

Not wanting to start a controversy, I must point out that Vatra Dornei
is not the name used in the records and histories of the town.
The Austrian name was Dorna-Watra, and I cite the Bukovina birth
records in the JewishGen databases as well as Scholarly works,
such as "History of the Jews in the Bukovina" edited Dr. Hugo Gold
and written by Prof. Dr. H. Sternberg.

Paul Guth

On Apr 3, 2019, Monica Friedlander wrote:

Hope you don't mind me chiming in, but the town is Vatra Dornei.
The river is Dorna, but the city is Vatra Dornei ("of the Dorna").
It might create confusion in searches.

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