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ViewMate Translation Request-Hebrew gravestone #general

JANIE TYRE
 

I've posted a gravestone in Hebrew, >from the Szatmar, Hungary Orthodox Cemetery.
I'd appreciate a translation. Here's the link:

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=74740

Thank you much,
Janie Tyre
JewishGen researcher: 27700

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate Translation Request-Hebrew gravestone #general

JANIE TYRE
 

I've posted a gravestone in Hebrew, >from the Szatmar, Hungary Orthodox Cemetery.
I'd appreciate a translation. Here's the link:

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=74740

Thank you much,
Janie Tyre
JewishGen researcher: 27700

MODERATOR: Please respond using the ViewMate response form


Seeking Lande or Landa family from Shpikov #general

Kathryn James <Kathrynbkj@...>
 

My maternal great grandmother Baba (Jennie) Goldstein was a widow who emigrated to NY
before 1910 >from Shpikov. Her maiden name was Landa or Landa. Has anyone run across
this family? Is there a family tree? Thank you.

Kathryn Kanarek James
Annandale, Virginia
Member, JGSGW

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Lande or Landa family from Shpikov #general

Kathryn James <Kathrynbkj@...>
 

My maternal great grandmother Baba (Jennie) Goldstein was a widow who emigrated to NY
before 1910 >from Shpikov. Her maiden name was Landa or Landa. Has anyone run across
this family? Is there a family tree? Thank you.

Kathryn Kanarek James
Annandale, Virginia
Member, JGSGW

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Re: Time to Redefine the Term Sephardic? #general

tom
 

the most important element here is that it isn't a binary choice. although a
person cannot follow more than one ritual tradition (either you eat rice on pesach
or you don't), there are other traditions (e.g. romaniote, iraqi, indian, hassidic,
etc.) which don't divide neatly in sephardi or ashkenazi.

there were always migrations in both directions, depending on local conditions.
names like ESKENAZI and FRANCO are common sephardic names, whereas RAPOPORT is
ashkenazic.

groups which make claims of "purity" fly in the face of the historical and the
genetic record, because things aren't that simple.

....... tom klein, toronto

"Adam Cherson" <adam.cherson@gmail.com> wrote:
The past several years of research discoveries leads me to understand that there
are many persons whose immediately prior ancestry is >from the places we call
Eastern Europe, Central Europe, Hungary, Romania,Ukraine, Moldova, and
the like, *but* whose earlier ancestry includes a period of residency,
sometimes a substantial period of residency, in the Iberian peninsula.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Time to Redefine the Term Sephardic? #general

tom
 

the most important element here is that it isn't a binary choice. although a
person cannot follow more than one ritual tradition (either you eat rice on pesach
or you don't), there are other traditions (e.g. romaniote, iraqi, indian, hassidic,
etc.) which don't divide neatly in sephardi or ashkenazi.

there were always migrations in both directions, depending on local conditions.
names like ESKENAZI and FRANCO are common sephardic names, whereas RAPOPORT is
ashkenazic.

groups which make claims of "purity" fly in the face of the historical and the
genetic record, because things aren't that simple.

....... tom klein, toronto

"Adam Cherson" <adam.cherson@gmail.com> wrote:
The past several years of research discoveries leads me to understand that there
are many persons whose immediately prior ancestry is >from the places we call
Eastern Europe, Central Europe, Hungary, Romania,Ukraine, Moldova, and
the like, *but* whose earlier ancestry includes a period of residency,
sometimes a substantial period of residency, in the Iberian peninsula.


Need MS WORD Expert to help Yizkor-Books-in-Print Project #general

Joel Alpert
 

Yizkor-Books-in-Print Project is in need of help >from an expert in MS
WORD to help straighten out formatting on a new important book.

If you can help, please contact YBIP@Jewishgen.org or jalp@comcast.net

Joel Alpert, Coordinator of the Yizkor-Books-in-Print Project


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need MS WORD Expert to help Yizkor-Books-in-Print Project #general

Joel Alpert
 

Yizkor-Books-in-Print Project is in need of help >from an expert in MS
WORD to help straighten out formatting on a new important book.

If you can help, please contact YBIP@Jewishgen.org or jalp@comcast.net

Joel Alpert, Coordinator of the Yizkor-Books-in-Print Project


Re: Visit JewishGen’s New Website!

Alan Shuchat
 

I receive the Daily Summary in Apple’s Mail client, usually on my iPhone. The summary email doesn’t allow for replies, but clicking on a post opens the browser (Safari) and I can see the post and the thread to which belongs (if there is one). There is a Reply option, and composing a reply leads to a choice between “Reply to Group “ and “Discard”. The format is different from what Sam attached, and this may just depend on the client and browser being used.

Alan


Re: MyHeritage DNA Study Reveals Hungary Has World's Second Largest Percentage of Population with Jewish (Ashkenazi) Ethnicity #hungary

ericalishahn@...
 

As a person with Hungarian Jewish ancestry, I would like to weigh in with an anecdotal story to support these findings.
My father's father as it eventually turned out was fully Jewish. He was born in what is now Serbia, but was Hungary until 1920 .
In 1914 in Budapest he married an ethnic Hungarian who was Catholic. In 1917 they had a child, and a marriage record was produced presumably in connection with registering the child
The document is very interesting.It includes the religion of both spouses. My grandmother was very straightforwardly identified as RK which are the Hungarian initials for Roman Catholic. For my grandfather his original religion had been blacked out, leaving one letter visible, a z, then in a different hand, he too was marked RK. The document also included a promise that any children of the marriage would be raised Catholic, a promise made only when one of the spouses was not Catholic. In other words he was Jewish in 1914, but by 1917 presumably had converted and was now Catholic.

He had two brothers both of whom also converted.  One of the brothers married a Jewish woman and she too converted.They also had a sister who married a Jew and as far as I can tell she and her husband did not convert.Â
My father and his brother were indeed raised Roman Catholic and trained never to reveal their Jewish ancestry.
I only know because my grandmother slipped up one time in front of my mother and referred to her husband as Jewish.

So of this family of three brothers and a sister, who had two Christian spouses and two Jewish spouses, four of the six Jews converted to Christianity. This would be in the period >from about 1915 to about 1925.

Erica Hahn


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: MyHeritage DNA Study Reveals Hungary Has World's Second Largest Percentage of Population with Jewish (Ashkenazi) Ethnicity #hungary

ericalishahn@...
 

As a person with Hungarian Jewish ancestry, I would like to weigh in with an anecdotal story to support these findings.
My father's father as it eventually turned out was fully Jewish. He was born in what is now Serbia, but was Hungary until 1920 .
In 1914 in Budapest he married an ethnic Hungarian who was Catholic. In 1917 they had a child, and a marriage record was produced presumably in connection with registering the child
The document is very interesting.It includes the religion of both spouses. My grandmother was very straightforwardly identified as RK which are the Hungarian initials for Roman Catholic. For my grandfather his original religion had been blacked out, leaving one letter visible, a z, then in a different hand, he too was marked RK. The document also included a promise that any children of the marriage would be raised Catholic, a promise made only when one of the spouses was not Catholic. In other words he was Jewish in 1914, but by 1917 presumably had converted and was now Catholic.

He had two brothers both of whom also converted.  One of the brothers married a Jewish woman and she too converted.They also had a sister who married a Jew and as far as I can tell she and her husband did not convert.Â
My father and his brother were indeed raised Roman Catholic and trained never to reveal their Jewish ancestry.
I only know because my grandmother slipped up one time in front of my mother and referred to her husband as Jewish.

So of this family of three brothers and a sister, who had two Christian spouses and two Jewish spouses, four of the six Jews converted to Christianity. This would be in the period >from about 1915 to about 1925.

Erica Hahn


(Australia) Family History Month in Australia- Victoria - Downloadable Historical Certificates #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Marking family history month in Australia, the State of Victoria (which includes
Melbourne), has reduced the price of their downloadable uncertified historical
certificates to $20 (AUS) for the month of August only. Embargo periods for
births are 100 years; marriages 60 years and deaths 30 years. Birth records start
from 1853, marriages and relationships >from 1853 and deaths >from 1853.
To read more and to see how to request a certificate go to:
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history

Thank you to Peter Calver and Lost Cousins newsletter for informing us of
this special opportunity.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (Australia) Family History Month in Australia- Victoria - Downloadable Historical Certificates #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Marking family history month in Australia, the State of Victoria (which includes
Melbourne), has reduced the price of their downloadable uncertified historical
certificates to $20 (AUS) for the month of August only. Embargo periods for
births are 100 years; marriages 60 years and deaths 30 years. Birth records start
from 1853, marriages and relationships >from 1853 and deaths >from 1853.
To read more and to see how to request a certificate go to:
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history

Thank you to Peter Calver and Lost Cousins newsletter for informing us of
this special opportunity.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Yiddish translation request on ViewMate #general

Sonia Milrod <smilrod@...>
 

I've posted a 2 page letter in Yiddish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following addresses ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=74670
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=74671
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Sonia Milrod


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Yiddish translation request on ViewMate #general

Sonia Milrod <smilrod@...>
 

I've posted a 2 page letter in Yiddish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following addresses ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=74670
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=74671
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Sonia Milrod


When does this EML go live?

Marjorie Geiser
 

I'm just wondering when the testing period is over and the new system goes live.
This is so much easier than the old system, and I'm looking forward to posting my latest question.

Margie Geiser 
Arizona, USA

Marjorie Geiser, MBA


Alexander Beider #general

isak@bm.technion.ac.il
 

Hello
I am looking for the email address of Dr. Alexander Beider. Can anybody help?
Thanks
Isak Gath, Haifa, Israel

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Alexander Beider #general

isak@bm.technion.ac.il
 

Hello
I am looking for the email address of Dr. Alexander Beider. Can anybody help?
Thanks
Isak Gath, Haifa, Israel

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Time to Redefine the Term Sephardic? #general

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Researchers,

The past several years of research discoveries leads me to understand
that there are many persons whose immediately prior ancestry is >from the
places we call Eastern Europe, Central Europe, Hungary, Romania,
Ukraine, Moldova, and the like, *but* whose earlier ancestry includes a
period of residency, sometimes a substantial period of residency, in the
Iberian peninsula.

These folks, and I am one of them, have immediate ancestors who spoke
Yiddish, practiced the Ashkenazic ritual, had typical Askhnenazic names,
and match DNA mostly, if not exclusively, with other people >from those
Eastern places, and yet, we have an Iberian ancestry.

My question is whether there is a generally accepted terminology for
this population group?

I have heard things like Iberian Ashkenaz, Sephardic Diaspora,
Ashkenazic Sephardim, Sephardic Ashkenazim, Iberian Jews, and there are
probably others.

I personally prefer to use the term Iberian Jews because this removes
any indication of religious ritual and language >from the description. I
accept that there are going to be many ways of expressing the same
concept: just because one's ancestors spoke Yiddish and lived in Eastern
places doesn't mean they didn't have ancestors who once lived in Iberia,
possibly for many centuries.

FYI, there are now several Jewish yDNA signatures that are considered
evidence of an Iberian yDNA ancestry. For more about this please contact
me privately.

Cordially,
Adam Cherson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Time to Redefine the Term Sephardic? #general

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Researchers,

The past several years of research discoveries leads me to understand
that there are many persons whose immediately prior ancestry is >from the
places we call Eastern Europe, Central Europe, Hungary, Romania,
Ukraine, Moldova, and the like, *but* whose earlier ancestry includes a
period of residency, sometimes a substantial period of residency, in the
Iberian peninsula.

These folks, and I am one of them, have immediate ancestors who spoke
Yiddish, practiced the Ashkenazic ritual, had typical Askhnenazic names,
and match DNA mostly, if not exclusively, with other people >from those
Eastern places, and yet, we have an Iberian ancestry.

My question is whether there is a generally accepted terminology for
this population group?

I have heard things like Iberian Ashkenaz, Sephardic Diaspora,
Ashkenazic Sephardim, Sephardic Ashkenazim, Iberian Jews, and there are
probably others.

I personally prefer to use the term Iberian Jews because this removes
any indication of religious ritual and language >from the description. I
accept that there are going to be many ways of expressing the same
concept: just because one's ancestors spoke Yiddish and lived in Eastern
places doesn't mean they didn't have ancestors who once lived in Iberia,
possibly for many centuries.

FYI, there are now several Jewish yDNA signatures that are considered
evidence of an Iberian yDNA ancestry. For more about this please contact
me privately.

Cordially,
Adam Cherson

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