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Birth records #galicia

Eleanor Platt <kbx62@...>
 

Does anyone know the answer as to whether the births >from the area of

Dolina/Lipowica, Galicia, Austro-Hungary later Poland now Ukraine recorded
in Stryj?
Thank you for your assistance
Eleanor Lind


Re: Jewish calendar #general

Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign@...>
 

Judith Romney Wegner schrieb:

Jewish calendar

Hello newsgroup!

Right now the year 5761 of the Jewish calendar began.

Can anybody tell me, when the recent way of counting the Jewish years
the first time occures?

Thanks
Sepp
I'm not sure what you meant by "the recent way of counting" -- there's
nothing "recent" about the Jewish calendar! The number 5,761 since "the
creation of the world" is arrived at by adding up the (faulty)
chronologies in the Bible itself. Of course most Jews today, indeed most
Bible-readers of any persuasion, take this number as purely symbolic, since
there is overwhelming evidence that the cosmos is in fact millions of years
old,

There's an article on "Calendar" in the Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 5,
which tells far more about it than any of us will ever need to know!
However, at column 48 the article informs us that a tradition attributed to
Hai Ga'on (d. 1038) claims that the present calendar was introduced by the
Patriarch Hillel II in 359 C.E. (i.e. 359 A.D.).

Even if Hai Ga'on's claim is historically incorrect, it at least implies
that the present calendar was already in existence when he lived, 1,000
years ago -- and its actual origins clearly go back a lot further than
that. As I said, nothing "recent" about it at all!

Judith Romney Wegner

Dear Judith Romney Wegner,
of course I do know that mankind is older than earlier computist and
chronologers assumed.

My question was unprecise, sorry.
What I want to know, is:
Where is the origin of the way of counting years like Hillel II is
supposed to have created it.

According to a tradition quoted in the name of Hai Gaon (d. 1038), the
present Jewish calendar was introduced by the patriarch Hillel II in 670
Era
of the Seleucids = 4119 Era of the Creation = 358/59 C.E. (500 C.E.,
claimed
to derive >from another version, seems to rest on a mistake)


Are or were there any other Jewish yearly counts in use?

Bye
Sepp


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Birth records #galicia

Eleanor Platt <kbx62@...>
 

Does anyone know the answer as to whether the births >from the area of

Dolina/Lipowica, Galicia, Austro-Hungary later Poland now Ukraine recorded
in Stryj?
Thank you for your assistance
Eleanor Lind


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish calendar #general

Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign@...>
 

Judith Romney Wegner schrieb:

Jewish calendar

Hello newsgroup!

Right now the year 5761 of the Jewish calendar began.

Can anybody tell me, when the recent way of counting the Jewish years
the first time occures?

Thanks
Sepp
I'm not sure what you meant by "the recent way of counting" -- there's
nothing "recent" about the Jewish calendar! The number 5,761 since "the
creation of the world" is arrived at by adding up the (faulty)
chronologies in the Bible itself. Of course most Jews today, indeed most
Bible-readers of any persuasion, take this number as purely symbolic, since
there is overwhelming evidence that the cosmos is in fact millions of years
old,

There's an article on "Calendar" in the Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 5,
which tells far more about it than any of us will ever need to know!
However, at column 48 the article informs us that a tradition attributed to
Hai Ga'on (d. 1038) claims that the present calendar was introduced by the
Patriarch Hillel II in 359 C.E. (i.e. 359 A.D.).

Even if Hai Ga'on's claim is historically incorrect, it at least implies
that the present calendar was already in existence when he lived, 1,000
years ago -- and its actual origins clearly go back a lot further than
that. As I said, nothing "recent" about it at all!

Judith Romney Wegner

Dear Judith Romney Wegner,
of course I do know that mankind is older than earlier computist and
chronologers assumed.

My question was unprecise, sorry.
What I want to know, is:
Where is the origin of the way of counting years like Hillel II is
supposed to have created it.

According to a tradition quoted in the name of Hai Gaon (d. 1038), the
present Jewish calendar was introduced by the patriarch Hillel II in 670
Era
of the Seleucids = 4119 Era of the Creation = 358/59 C.E. (500 C.E.,
claimed
to derive >from another version, seems to rest on a mistake)


Are or were there any other Jewish yearly counts in use?

Bye
Sepp


Lezajsk - Pages of Testimony #galicia

Sarah Katz <skatz@...>
 

I have recently obtained >from Yad Vashem a list of the names of all the
holocaust victims >from Lezajsk in respect of whom Pages of Testimony have
been completed. There are over 440 names. I have e-mailed a copy of the list
to everyone in the Lezajsk Research Group but if anyone else would like a
copy let me know and I will send you one. The list may also be of interest
to those who had families in nearby towns or shtetls as the same surnames
tend to crop up quite a lot in the surrounding district. The list will be
included on the Lezajsk web page when we can get it up and running.

Sarah Katz
Auckland
New Zealand


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Lezajsk - Pages of Testimony #galicia

Sarah Katz <skatz@...>
 

I have recently obtained >from Yad Vashem a list of the names of all the
holocaust victims >from Lezajsk in respect of whom Pages of Testimony have
been completed. There are over 440 names. I have e-mailed a copy of the list
to everyone in the Lezajsk Research Group but if anyone else would like a
copy let me know and I will send you one. The list may also be of interest
to those who had families in nearby towns or shtetls as the same surnames
tend to crop up quite a lot in the surrounding district. The list will be
included on the Lezajsk web page when we can get it up and running.

Sarah Katz
Auckland
New Zealand


Re: Great News for Researchers in East Galicia (Tarnopol area in particular) #galicia

hankman <hankman@...>
 

Are Lesko and Sanok (former Galicia) nearby any of the 13 towns in the
project?

Chaim Manaster

----- Original Message -----
Khag Sameakh! Just prior to Rosh Hashanah, Stanley Diamond, Project
Coordinator for Jewish Records Indexing - Poland announced an
exciting new
project to index vital records for 82 towns in East Galicia that are
maintained in the AGAD Archives in Warsaw.
[snip]
The first region within East Galicia to be indexed will be the area
in the
far Northeast of the former Austro-Hungarian Province of Galicia.
The 13
towns in this region whose vital records will be indexed are:

Brzezany
Kozlow
Kozowa
Mikulince
Narajow
Podwoloczyska
Skalat
Strusow
Tarnopol
Trembowla
Zalozce
Zbaraz
Zborow

If your ancestral town does not appear above but is near one of
these towns,
don't be discouraged. The Jewish communities in many smaller towns
near these
13 District and Sub-District towns of the former Galician Province
of Austria
were required to register their vital events in these 13 towns.
[snip]


Re: Jewish calendar #general

Martin Green <btestware@...>
 

Martin Green wrote:

So the question is: Do we have a historical tradition of calendar dates
going back to the days of the Jewish Commonwealth? What, according
to our tradition, was the date of the fall of the Temple? I'm not asking
for
a simple back-calculation of the figure "70 A.D." according to the
standard
reckoning....I'm asking if we know, independently of the Christian
calendar,
the dates of any ancient historical events?

Martin Green
Les Ungerleider replied:

Tree rings, Tree rings, no way for JC and CH to be the same,
Also Eastern History Japan, China, etc. Only way is if we
all did a loooong Rip Van Ringle(sp?)
Yes, I've heard of tree rings and carbon 14; but
what of them? Unless you have a piece of wood from
"the Cross"....

I'd still like to know the answer to my question:
Do we have a date for the destruction of the Temple,
other than by the Christian calendar? For that matter,
do the Chinese know the year when Confucius died,
or do they start counting >from scratch again every
twelve years?

Martin Green


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Great News for Researchers in East Galicia (Tarnopol area in particular) #galicia

hankman <hankman@...>
 

Are Lesko and Sanok (former Galicia) nearby any of the 13 towns in the
project?

Chaim Manaster

----- Original Message -----
Khag Sameakh! Just prior to Rosh Hashanah, Stanley Diamond, Project
Coordinator for Jewish Records Indexing - Poland announced an
exciting new
project to index vital records for 82 towns in East Galicia that are
maintained in the AGAD Archives in Warsaw.
[snip]
The first region within East Galicia to be indexed will be the area
in the
far Northeast of the former Austro-Hungarian Province of Galicia.
The 13
towns in this region whose vital records will be indexed are:

Brzezany
Kozlow
Kozowa
Mikulince
Narajow
Podwoloczyska
Skalat
Strusow
Tarnopol
Trembowla
Zalozce
Zbaraz
Zborow

If your ancestral town does not appear above but is near one of
these towns,
don't be discouraged. The Jewish communities in many smaller towns
near these
13 District and Sub-District towns of the former Galician Province
of Austria
were required to register their vital events in these 13 towns.
[snip]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish calendar #general

Martin Green <btestware@...>
 

Martin Green wrote:

So the question is: Do we have a historical tradition of calendar dates
going back to the days of the Jewish Commonwealth? What, according
to our tradition, was the date of the fall of the Temple? I'm not asking
for
a simple back-calculation of the figure "70 A.D." according to the
standard
reckoning....I'm asking if we know, independently of the Christian
calendar,
the dates of any ancient historical events?

Martin Green
Les Ungerleider replied:

Tree rings, Tree rings, no way for JC and CH to be the same,
Also Eastern History Japan, China, etc. Only way is if we
all did a loooong Rip Van Ringle(sp?)
Yes, I've heard of tree rings and carbon 14; but
what of them? Unless you have a piece of wood from
"the Cross"....

I'd still like to know the answer to my question:
Do we have a date for the destruction of the Temple,
other than by the Christian calendar? For that matter,
do the Chinese know the year when Confucius died,
or do they start counting >from scratch again every
twelve years?

Martin Green


Re: Jewish calendar Why 5761? #general

A.G.J.A. <armony@...>
 

Hello.
The current chronology of jewish years: 5761, was calculated in the IV
century, currrent chronology..
It was made adding the age that Adan had when Set born (year 130), later
the
age of Set when Enos born (105) till Lamec when Noe born (year 1056 year)
When the "Flood" occurred Noe was 600 years old (jewish year 1656).
46rom Flood till Abraham 292 years, when Issac born other 100 years, oth
er 60
years till Jacob's born, plus 147 years till the death of Jacob in Egypt,
more 53 years till death of Joseph and 140 till the Exodus >from Egypt. It

was in 2449 jewish ch. according calculation, the first Temple in 2929 j.
c., the destruction of first Temple in 3339, the second Temple was built
in
3409, the destruction of the second Temple was in 3829 or 69/70 current
chronology
This chronology was used first in Italy and later spreaded by all world.
In 1150/80, in Spain, Abraham Ibn Daud, re-calculated the figures and made

some corrections and 330 years later, in 1510, Abraham de Torrutiel
continued the Ibn Dauds work.
In the century XVII, in Oxford some scholars made the christian calculati
on
and the figure was 4004 years before Jesus born, instead our 3760. Really
Jesus born in year 6 or 7, not in zero.
The matter is not if the figures are good or not, it is only a fixed
chronology, used to have comparative dates. Before it was used the
Seleucides chronology and others.
The jewish ortodox people think thats this age, 5761 is the real age of
the
world, and they discussed if the chronology must be calculated >from the
creation of the world or the creation of the Adan, it occurs in the saturday
night, after Shabat finished at 10 hs and 11 minutes. p.m.
More important (for our religion) that this chronology is the Luaj, the
jewish calender, calculated by Hillel II in the III century. It is other
history!!!
Hope to be clear
Sorry my english, I have this article in spanish.
Shana Tova
Paul Armony
Presidente
Asociacion de Genealogia Judia de Argentina
genarg@infovia.com.ar

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign@teleweb.at>
Grupos de noticias: soc.genealogy.jewish
Para: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Fecha: Martes, 03 de Octubre de 2000 06:51 p.m.
Asunto: Jewish calendar

Jewish calendar

Hello newsgroup!

Right now the year 5761 of the Jewish calendar began.

Can anybody tell me, when the recent way of counting the Jewish years
the first time occures?

Thanks
Sepp


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Jewish calendar Why 5761? #general

A.G.J.A. <armony@...>
 

Hello.
The current chronology of jewish years: 5761, was calculated in the IV
century, currrent chronology..
It was made adding the age that Adan had when Set born (year 130), later
the
age of Set when Enos born (105) till Lamec when Noe born (year 1056 year)
When the "Flood" occurred Noe was 600 years old (jewish year 1656).
46rom Flood till Abraham 292 years, when Issac born other 100 years, oth
er 60
years till Jacob's born, plus 147 years till the death of Jacob in Egypt,
more 53 years till death of Joseph and 140 till the Exodus >from Egypt. It

was in 2449 jewish ch. according calculation, the first Temple in 2929 j.
c., the destruction of first Temple in 3339, the second Temple was built
in
3409, the destruction of the second Temple was in 3829 or 69/70 current
chronology
This chronology was used first in Italy and later spreaded by all world.
In 1150/80, in Spain, Abraham Ibn Daud, re-calculated the figures and made

some corrections and 330 years later, in 1510, Abraham de Torrutiel
continued the Ibn Dauds work.
In the century XVII, in Oxford some scholars made the christian calculati
on
and the figure was 4004 years before Jesus born, instead our 3760. Really
Jesus born in year 6 or 7, not in zero.
The matter is not if the figures are good or not, it is only a fixed
chronology, used to have comparative dates. Before it was used the
Seleucides chronology and others.
The jewish ortodox people think thats this age, 5761 is the real age of
the
world, and they discussed if the chronology must be calculated >from the
creation of the world or the creation of the Adan, it occurs in the saturday
night, after Shabat finished at 10 hs and 11 minutes. p.m.
More important (for our religion) that this chronology is the Luaj, the
jewish calender, calculated by Hillel II in the III century. It is other
history!!!
Hope to be clear
Sorry my english, I have this article in spanish.
Shana Tova
Paul Armony
Presidente
Asociacion de Genealogia Judia de Argentina
genarg@infovia.com.ar

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign@teleweb.at>
Grupos de noticias: soc.genealogy.jewish
Para: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Fecha: Martes, 03 de Octubre de 2000 06:51 p.m.
Asunto: Jewish calendar

Jewish calendar

Hello newsgroup!

Right now the year 5761 of the Jewish calendar began.

Can anybody tell me, when the recent way of counting the Jewish years
the first time occures?

Thanks
Sepp


Re: Jewish calendar #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Jewish calendar

Hello newsgroup!

Right now the year 5761 of the Jewish calendar began.

Can anybody tell me, when the recent way of counting the Jewish years
the first time occures?

Thanks
Sepp
I'm not sure what you meant by "the recent way of counting" -- there's
nothing "recent" about the Jewish calendar! The number 5,761 since "the
creation of the world" is arrived at by adding up the (faulty)
chronologies in the Bible itself. Of course most Jews today, indeed most
Bible-readers of any persuasion, take this number as purely symbolic, since
there is overwhelming evidence that the cosmos is in fact millions of years
old,

There's an article on "Calendar" in the Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 5,
which tells far more about it than any of us will ever need to know!
However, at column 48 the article informs us that a tradition attributed to
Hai Ga'on (d. 1038) claims that the present calendar was introduced by the
Patriarch Hillel II in 359 C.E. (i.e. 359 A.D.).

Even if Hai Ga'on's claim is historically incorrect, it at least implies
that the present calendar was already in existence when he lived, 1,000
years ago -- and its actual origins clearly go back a lot further than
that. As I said, nothing "recent" about it at all!

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish calendar #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Jewish calendar

Hello newsgroup!

Right now the year 5761 of the Jewish calendar began.

Can anybody tell me, when the recent way of counting the Jewish years
the first time occures?

Thanks
Sepp
I'm not sure what you meant by "the recent way of counting" -- there's
nothing "recent" about the Jewish calendar! The number 5,761 since "the
creation of the world" is arrived at by adding up the (faulty)
chronologies in the Bible itself. Of course most Jews today, indeed most
Bible-readers of any persuasion, take this number as purely symbolic, since
there is overwhelming evidence that the cosmos is in fact millions of years
old,

There's an article on "Calendar" in the Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 5,
which tells far more about it than any of us will ever need to know!
However, at column 48 the article informs us that a tradition attributed to
Hai Ga'on (d. 1038) claims that the present calendar was introduced by the
Patriarch Hillel II in 359 C.E. (i.e. 359 A.D.).

Even if Hai Ga'on's claim is historically incorrect, it at least implies
that the present calendar was already in existence when he lived, 1,000
years ago -- and its actual origins clearly go back a lot further than
that. As I said, nothing "recent" about it at all!

Judith Romney Wegner


EISHYSHOK book being offered of our auction site #poland

rokoco1@...
 

Dear Genners:

THERE ONCE WAS A WORLD (EISHYSHOK, POLAND - NOW LITHUANIA) is being on
JewishGen's auction site and may be viewed at the following URL:

http://www.jewishgen.org/cgi-bin/auction.pl?books&971399262.

This FIRST EDITION book is full of family stories, names, beautiful pictures
and would be a treasure for anyone to have in their library.

Our very best wishes for an easy fast,

Bobbi & Jerry Cohen


Re: Sending Money to Poland, Part II #poland

Algaze@...
 

In reference to my post yesterday about sending money to Poland,
I received an additional suggestion today:

6) Get an international money order >from American Express.
This should cost about $10.00. If you have an American
Express credit card, I have been told that they waive the fee.
I hope this helps.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California
Algaze@aol.com


Re: jri-pl digest: October 03, 2000 #poland

Peter Jassem <jassep@...>
 

You wrote:

Krakow Liberal Synagogue Marriage and Bann Registers 1892 to 1939)
The first group of approximately 2000 entries will be released in late October

Is there a chance to get a full list? - Peter


JRI Poland #Poland EISHYSHOK book being offered of our auction site #poland

rokoco1@...
 

Dear Genners:

THERE ONCE WAS A WORLD (EISHYSHOK, POLAND - NOW LITHUANIA) is being on
JewishGen's auction site and may be viewed at the following URL:

http://www.jewishgen.org/cgi-bin/auction.pl?books&971399262.

This FIRST EDITION book is full of family stories, names, beautiful pictures
and would be a treasure for anyone to have in their library.

Our very best wishes for an easy fast,

Bobbi & Jerry Cohen


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Sending Money to Poland, Part II #poland

Algaze@...
 

In reference to my post yesterday about sending money to Poland,
I received an additional suggestion today:

6) Get an international money order >from American Express.
This should cost about $10.00. If you have an American
Express credit card, I have been told that they waive the fee.
I hope this helps.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California
Algaze@aol.com


JRI Poland #Poland RE: jri-pl digest: October 03, 2000 #poland

Peter Jassem <jassep@...>
 

You wrote:

Krakow Liberal Synagogue Marriage and Bann Registers 1892 to 1939)
The first group of approximately 2000 entries will be released in late October

Is there a chance to get a full list? - Peter