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Re: Marriage Records #galicia

Leslie Gyi <leslie.gyi@...>
 

Don't forget to check the shtetls of grandparents. In our family, the
mother sometimes went 'home' for the birth of the child and they were
registered where the grandparents lived.

Leslie Gyi nee FEIG
Researching FEIGs anywhere
POLLAKs/POLAKs/POLLACKs in Carpathia & Poland
GOLDENBERGs/GILDENBERGs in Carpathia & Poland
HAYNICKs/HAJNIKs/HANICKs in Poland & Ukraine

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancy [mailto:lspalter@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:41 PM
To: Gesher Galicia SIG
Subject: [galicia] Marriage Records


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MAY is upon us...HONOR THY MOTHER
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Honors.html
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Thanks a lot to all the researchers who volunteered information
re "where civil marriage records would be kept".

Since the couple's first child was born in the groom's shtetl and
is registered as "LEGAL", and there's no marriage certificate for
this couple in the groom's shtetl, I'm inclined to believe that
if the civil marriage was registered at all, it was registered by
the bride's.

Thank you all once again!

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel


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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Marriage Records #galicia

Leslie Gyi <leslie.gyi@...>
 

Don't forget to check the shtetls of grandparents. In our family, the
mother sometimes went 'home' for the birth of the child and they were
registered where the grandparents lived.

Leslie Gyi nee FEIG
Researching FEIGs anywhere
POLLAKs/POLAKs/POLLACKs in Carpathia & Poland
GOLDENBERGs/GILDENBERGs in Carpathia & Poland
HAYNICKs/HAJNIKs/HANICKs in Poland & Ukraine

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancy [mailto:lspalter@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:41 PM
To: Gesher Galicia SIG
Subject: [galicia] Marriage Records


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MAY is upon us...HONOR THY MOTHER
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Honors.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks a lot to all the researchers who volunteered information
re "where civil marriage records would be kept".

Since the couple's first child was born in the groom's shtetl and
is registered as "LEGAL", and there's no marriage certificate for
this couple in the groom's shtetl, I'm inclined to believe that
if the civil marriage was registered at all, it was registered by
the bride's.

Thank you all once again!

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel


Family >from or nearby Lviv? Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take you there!
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/lviv.html
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Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia
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Re: Ellis Island Records #galicia

Leslie Gyi <leslie.gyi@...>
 

My GF was listed as Austrian and German on some documents though he was from
Hungary. I believe this was because the form offered choices. With no
Hungarian option, and a choice between Austrian an Magyar, Or Magyar and
German, he picked German or Austrian, as Magyar did not apply to him. Also,
technically at different points in time it was Autro-Hungarian v. Hungarian.
Another factor is date. At the time of the ship manifest the government was
Austro-Hungarian, by the time of his Petition for Naturalization it was
Hungarian, and at the time of his death it was Romanian, so I find all these
on documents. Bottom line, it comes down to the town they are from, what
was the governing country for that date; and what choices did the form or
instruction offer for them to choose between.

Leslie Gyi nee FEIG
Researching FEIGs anywhere
POLLAKs/POLAKs/POLLACKs in Carpathia & Poland
GOLDENBERGs/GILDENBERGs in Carpathia & Poland
HAYNICKs/HAJNIKs/HANICKs in Poland & Ukraine

-----Original Message-----
My question is the nationality was listed as Austrian and where this person
was >from was Galicia, however no town in Galicia was listed. The arrival
year
was in 1902. Aside >from going back through all the Shetl links for Austria,
Poland and the Ukraine is there a better way to research this.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Ellis Island Records #galicia

Leslie Gyi <leslie.gyi@...>
 

My GF was listed as Austrian and German on some documents though he was from
Hungary. I believe this was because the form offered choices. With no
Hungarian option, and a choice between Austrian an Magyar, Or Magyar and
German, he picked German or Austrian, as Magyar did not apply to him. Also,
technically at different points in time it was Autro-Hungarian v. Hungarian.
Another factor is date. At the time of the ship manifest the government was
Austro-Hungarian, by the time of his Petition for Naturalization it was
Hungarian, and at the time of his death it was Romanian, so I find all these
on documents. Bottom line, it comes down to the town they are from, what
was the governing country for that date; and what choices did the form or
instruction offer for them to choose between.

Leslie Gyi nee FEIG
Researching FEIGs anywhere
POLLAKs/POLAKs/POLLACKs in Carpathia & Poland
GOLDENBERGs/GILDENBERGs in Carpathia & Poland
HAYNICKs/HAJNIKs/HANICKs in Poland & Ukraine

-----Original Message-----
My question is the nationality was listed as Austrian and where this person
was >from was Galicia, however no town in Galicia was listed. The arrival
year
was in 1902. Aside >from going back through all the Shetl links for Austria,
Poland and the Ukraine is there a better way to research this.


Re: Bedzin #france

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Hi,

Bedzin, Sosnowiec, Dabrowa (Dombrowa) are principal towns of the area known
as Zaglebie (Zaglembye), of ex Russian Empire. Area is adjacent to ex-
Prussian and Austro-Hungarian Imperial borders. Town Myslowice near Katowice
of Gorny Slask (Oberschliessen) on the Czarna Przemsza River was actually
known as the point where all three Empires borders have met. Didn't I write
already on this subject?

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB, Canada



From: "Carol Cohen" <cgandhc@...>

Where is Bedzin? Is it in Galicia? Thanks, Carol Cohen

Carol Cohen
cococo@...
Dallas, TX USA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Bedzin #galicia

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Hi,

Bedzin, Sosnowiec, Dabrowa (Dombrowa) are principal towns of the area known
as Zaglebie (Zaglembye), of ex Russian Empire. Area is adjacent to ex-
Prussian and Austro-Hungarian Imperial borders. Town Myslowice near Katowice
of Gorny Slask (Oberschliessen) on the Czarna Przemsza River was actually
known as the point where all three Empires borders have met. Didn't I write
already on this subject?

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB, Canada



From: "Carol Cohen" <cgandhc@...>

Where is Bedzin? Is it in Galicia? Thanks, Carol Cohen

Carol Cohen
cococo@...
Dallas, TX USA


Galician Jewish woman converting to Catholicism #galicia

JenniferSchu@...
 

For anyone who has been following my (rather boring) story of seeming to
discover a previously unknown Jewish heritage:

My great-grandmother, Marya Rubin of Galicia, married Stanley Bogielczyk of
Philadelphia. Their first child was born in 1911. Bogielcyzk was the son of
Andrezj Bogielczyk, who owned a grocery store in the Port Richmond section of
Philadelphia. Andrezj was one of the founders of St. Adalbert's Polish
Catholic Church, the only Polish church in Philadelphia which still stands
today. So I am thinking that Marya Rubin must have converted to Catholicism
upon her marriage. The family has been Catholic for generations and there
was never a hint that Marya might have been Jewish. I even have her funeral
Mass card dated April 4, 1932. I sympathize with her because it must have
been hard to give up her religious heritage... but perhaps she simply fell in
love.

Jennifer Schu Glazewski
Wayne, PA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Galician Jewish woman converting to Catholicism #galicia

JenniferSchu@...
 

For anyone who has been following my (rather boring) story of seeming to
discover a previously unknown Jewish heritage:

My great-grandmother, Marya Rubin of Galicia, married Stanley Bogielczyk of
Philadelphia. Their first child was born in 1911. Bogielcyzk was the son of
Andrezj Bogielczyk, who owned a grocery store in the Port Richmond section of
Philadelphia. Andrezj was one of the founders of St. Adalbert's Polish
Catholic Church, the only Polish church in Philadelphia which still stands
today. So I am thinking that Marya Rubin must have converted to Catholicism
upon her marriage. The family has been Catholic for generations and there
was never a hint that Marya might have been Jewish. I even have her funeral
Mass card dated April 4, 1932. I sympathize with her because it must have
been hard to give up her religious heritage... but perhaps she simply fell in
love.

Jennifer Schu Glazewski
Wayne, PA


Ellis Island #galicia

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

Belinda Dishon wrote:
"...William Orgel arrived in 1920 at Ellis Island at the age of 43. The ship
manifest also records that he was naturalized in the District Court
Elizabeth N.J.in 1911? How could he have been naturalized before he arrived
in N.J ?..."

This wouldn't apply in your case, but to answer your question, it was
possible to become a naturalized without ever being in the United States.
This happened to my dad, who became a citizen via his father's
naturalization process. At the time he was a 3 year old in Poland. He
arrived a couple of years later. Your person was too old for this scenerio
to apply, though.

Debbie Raff


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Ellis Island #galicia

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

Belinda Dishon wrote:
"...William Orgel arrived in 1920 at Ellis Island at the age of 43. The ship
manifest also records that he was naturalized in the District Court
Elizabeth N.J.in 1911? How could he have been naturalized before he arrived
in N.J ?..."

This wouldn't apply in your case, but to answer your question, it was
possible to become a naturalized without ever being in the United States.
This happened to my dad, who became a citizen via his father's
naturalization process. At the time he was a 3 year old in Poland. He
arrived a couple of years later. Your person was too old for this scenerio
to apply, though.

Debbie Raff


Re: Jewish surname (sorry, this is long!) #galicia

Colleen <pa18229@...>
 

Hi Jennifer and List,

I'd be interested in any response you receive as I have encountered
nearly the same situation.

I recently began corresponding with a cousin who's sharing information
about our Karlitskie family >from Jawornik or Javirnyk, in Ukrainian,
which ceased to exist after 1947, according to the book "Our People" by
Paul Robert Magocsi. It was located in the former Galician District of
Sanok, which is in the present administrative subdivision of Krosno in
Poland.

According to this cousin, my great grandmother's brother, Frank
Karlitskie, made a deathbed "confession" admitting that he was a
Ukrainian Jew. Also, their mother was unhappy because their brother,
John, married a non-Jew. I don't know if this marriage took place in the
US or "over there." When I discussed this with my grandmother (at Easter
no less) she already knew! Unfortunately my great grandmother died in
1922 when my grandmother was six so she never had the chance to discuss
this with her.

This family emigrated in approx. 1900 and belonged to St. Mary's
Ukrainian Catholic Church in Mahanoy City and St. Michael's Ukrainian
Greek Catholic church in Shenandoah, both in Schuylkill County, PA.

I'm ashamed to admit that I know nothing about what was happening in
that area of Europe 100 years ago that would make a family choose to or
have to deny their Jewish-ness. Would they have wanted to make a fresh
start in America?

I'd be grateful for any advice or suggestions!

Kind Regards,
~Colleen O'Byrne


The Galitzianer: May Issue #galicia

Edward Goldstein
 

The May issue of The Galitzianer has been mailed.

If you are a member and do not receive the issue within a reasonable
time (considering that it is going via US Mail) please let me know.

Also, please give us some feedback on what you particularly like and
dislike about this issue. We need the information to improve the
publication.

Edward GoldsteinEditor


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Jewish surname (sorry, this is long!) #galicia

Colleen <pa18229@...>
 

Hi Jennifer and List,

I'd be interested in any response you receive as I have encountered
nearly the same situation.

I recently began corresponding with a cousin who's sharing information
about our Karlitskie family >from Jawornik or Javirnyk, in Ukrainian,
which ceased to exist after 1947, according to the book "Our People" by
Paul Robert Magocsi. It was located in the former Galician District of
Sanok, which is in the present administrative subdivision of Krosno in
Poland.

According to this cousin, my great grandmother's brother, Frank
Karlitskie, made a deathbed "confession" admitting that he was a
Ukrainian Jew. Also, their mother was unhappy because their brother,
John, married a non-Jew. I don't know if this marriage took place in the
US or "over there." When I discussed this with my grandmother (at Easter
no less) she already knew! Unfortunately my great grandmother died in
1922 when my grandmother was six so she never had the chance to discuss
this with her.

This family emigrated in approx. 1900 and belonged to St. Mary's
Ukrainian Catholic Church in Mahanoy City and St. Michael's Ukrainian
Greek Catholic church in Shenandoah, both in Schuylkill County, PA.

I'm ashamed to admit that I know nothing about what was happening in
that area of Europe 100 years ago that would make a family choose to or
have to deny their Jewish-ness. Would they have wanted to make a fresh
start in America?

I'd be grateful for any advice or suggestions!

Kind Regards,
~Colleen O'Byrne


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia The Galitzianer: May Issue #galicia

Edward Goldstein
 

The May issue of The Galitzianer has been mailed.

If you are a member and do not receive the issue within a reasonable
time (considering that it is going via US Mail) please let me know.

Also, please give us some feedback on what you particularly like and
dislike about this issue. We need the information to improve the
publication.

Edward GoldsteinEditor


Re: Catholic given name/Jewish surname #galicia

Jassem, Peter <jassep@...>
 

I have translated many Jewish vital records >from Polish and I have indexed
many pages for JRI. I have seen the name Maria on at least several
occasions. Also, I saw it in some publications listing Jewish given names
in Poland. Therefore one may only conclude that this name, commonly
associated with Catholics, was also occasionally used by Jews. As for mixed
marriages at the turn of 19th century I encountered some instances only
among secular or assimilated Jews, mostly in large cities.

Peter Jassem
Toronto, Ontario
jassep@...

-----Original Message-----

I have my great-grandmother's funeral Mass card, on which her name is Marya
Bogielczyk. The card is in Polish, and she died 4 Kwietnia (April) 1932. I
know Marya's last name was Rubin because that was on her daughter's (my
Grandmom's) death certificate. This is a great mystery. Why would
someone
name a little Jewish girl "Maria?" I do not think it was ever Miriam. This
woman apparently lived and was buried as a Catholic. The only clue I have
is
my grandmother's younger sister who died a few years ago. When we asked her
if her mother was Jewish, she paused for a long moment, then nodded
slightly. She was an elderly lady and devout lifelong Catholic... so we did
not press the issue. (Her mother died when she was only 14.) I am thinking
that Maria Rubin may have been the child of a mixed marriage, of Jewish
father and Catholic mother. Did such marriages happen in Poland in the late
19th century?

Regards,

Jennifer Schu Glazewski
Wayne, PA


Re: Serving as a soldier #galicia

Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Dear genners,
Thank you to all of you for taking the time to give me such a valuable
information on my grandfather.
Thanks to all of you.

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@...


Re: Let me share with you my first success !!!! #galicia

Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Dear jewishgenners,
I have started 7 month ago with this "job" of trying to find
survivors/relatives
of my family. Yesterday I had my first moving success. I have contacted
the first cousin I have in my family. I have never known of any cousin.
Murray is 80 years old, lives in Canada and his mother was my grandfather's
sister (on my mother's side).
This would have never been possible without JEWISH GEN.!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU ALL............

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Catholic given name/Jewish surname #galicia

Jassem, Peter <jassep@...>
 

I have translated many Jewish vital records >from Polish and I have indexed
many pages for JRI. I have seen the name Maria on at least several
occasions. Also, I saw it in some publications listing Jewish given names
in Poland. Therefore one may only conclude that this name, commonly
associated with Catholics, was also occasionally used by Jews. As for mixed
marriages at the turn of 19th century I encountered some instances only
among secular or assimilated Jews, mostly in large cities.

Peter Jassem
Toronto, Ontario
jassep@...

-----Original Message-----

I have my great-grandmother's funeral Mass card, on which her name is Marya
Bogielczyk. The card is in Polish, and she died 4 Kwietnia (April) 1932. I
know Marya's last name was Rubin because that was on her daughter's (my
Grandmom's) death certificate. This is a great mystery. Why would
someone
name a little Jewish girl "Maria?" I do not think it was ever Miriam. This
woman apparently lived and was buried as a Catholic. The only clue I have
is
my grandmother's younger sister who died a few years ago. When we asked her
if her mother was Jewish, she paused for a long moment, then nodded
slightly. She was an elderly lady and devout lifelong Catholic... so we did
not press the issue. (Her mother died when she was only 14.) I am thinking
that Maria Rubin may have been the child of a mixed marriage, of Jewish
father and Catholic mother. Did such marriages happen in Poland in the late
19th century?

Regards,

Jennifer Schu Glazewski
Wayne, PA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Serving as a soldier #galicia

Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Dear genners,
Thank you to all of you for taking the time to give me such a valuable
information on my grandfather.
Thanks to all of you.

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Let me share with you my first success !!!! #galicia

Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Dear jewishgenners,
I have started 7 month ago with this "job" of trying to find
survivors/relatives
of my family. Yesterday I had my first moving success. I have contacted
the first cousin I have in my family. I have never known of any cousin.
Murray is 80 years old, lives in Canada and his mother was my grandfather's
sister (on my mother's side).
This would have never been possible without JEWISH GEN.!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU ALL............

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@...