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Re: Marriage Records
#galicia
Leslie Gyi <leslie.gyi@...>
Don't forget to check the shtetls of grandparents. In our family, the
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mother sometimes went 'home' for the birth of the child and they were registered where the grandparents lived. Leslie Gyi nee FEIG Researching FEIGs anywhere POLLAKs/POLAKs/POLLACKs in Carpathia & Poland GOLDENBERGs/GILDENBERGs in Carpathia & Poland HAYNICKs/HAJNIKs/HANICKs in Poland & Ukraine
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From: Lancy [mailto:lspalter@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:41 PM To: Gesher Galicia SIG Subject: [galicia] Marriage Records ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY is upon us...HONOR THY MOTHER http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Honors.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks a lot to all the researchers who volunteered information re "where civil marriage records would be kept". Since the couple's first child was born in the groom's shtetl and is registered as "LEGAL", and there's no marriage certificate for this couple in the groom's shtetl, I'm inclined to believe that if the civil marriage was registered at all, it was registered by the bride's. Thank you all once again! Lancy Spalter Kfar Tavor, Israel Family >from or nearby Lviv? Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take you there! http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/lviv.html --- The Gesher Galicia Discussion Group (galicia@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ **** IMAGINE THE WORLD If JEWISHGEN COULD. . . **** <http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/imagine.html> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You are currently subscribed to galicia as: [leslie@...] To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub')
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Marriage Records
#galicia
Leslie Gyi <leslie.gyi@...>
Don't forget to check the shtetls of grandparents. In our family, the
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mother sometimes went 'home' for the birth of the child and they were registered where the grandparents lived. Leslie Gyi nee FEIG Researching FEIGs anywhere POLLAKs/POLAKs/POLLACKs in Carpathia & Poland GOLDENBERGs/GILDENBERGs in Carpathia & Poland HAYNICKs/HAJNIKs/HANICKs in Poland & Ukraine
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From: Lancy [mailto:lspalter@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:41 PM To: Gesher Galicia SIG Subject: [galicia] Marriage Records ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY is upon us...HONOR THY MOTHER http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Honors.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks a lot to all the researchers who volunteered information re "where civil marriage records would be kept". Since the couple's first child was born in the groom's shtetl and is registered as "LEGAL", and there's no marriage certificate for this couple in the groom's shtetl, I'm inclined to believe that if the civil marriage was registered at all, it was registered by the bride's. Thank you all once again! Lancy Spalter Kfar Tavor, Israel Family >from or nearby Lviv? Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take you there! http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/lviv.html --- The Gesher Galicia Discussion Group (galicia@...) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ **** IMAGINE THE WORLD If JEWISHGEN COULD. . . **** <http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/imagine.html> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You are currently subscribed to galicia as: [leslie@...] To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub')
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Re: Ellis Island Records
#galicia
Leslie Gyi <leslie.gyi@...>
My GF was listed as Austrian and German on some documents though he was from
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Hungary. I believe this was because the form offered choices. With no Hungarian option, and a choice between Austrian an Magyar, Or Magyar and German, he picked German or Austrian, as Magyar did not apply to him. Also, technically at different points in time it was Autro-Hungarian v. Hungarian. Another factor is date. At the time of the ship manifest the government was Austro-Hungarian, by the time of his Petition for Naturalization it was Hungarian, and at the time of his death it was Romanian, so I find all these on documents. Bottom line, it comes down to the town they are from, what was the governing country for that date; and what choices did the form or instruction offer for them to choose between. Leslie Gyi nee FEIG Researching FEIGs anywhere POLLAKs/POLAKs/POLLACKs in Carpathia & Poland GOLDENBERGs/GILDENBERGs in Carpathia & Poland HAYNICKs/HAJNIKs/HANICKs in Poland & Ukraine
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My question is the nationality was listed as Austrian and where this person was >from was Galicia, however no town in Galicia was listed. The arrival year was in 1902. Aside >from going back through all the Shetl links for Austria, Poland and the Ukraine is there a better way to research this.
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Ellis Island Records
#galicia
Leslie Gyi <leslie.gyi@...>
My GF was listed as Austrian and German on some documents though he was from
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Hungary. I believe this was because the form offered choices. With no Hungarian option, and a choice between Austrian an Magyar, Or Magyar and German, he picked German or Austrian, as Magyar did not apply to him. Also, technically at different points in time it was Autro-Hungarian v. Hungarian. Another factor is date. At the time of the ship manifest the government was Austro-Hungarian, by the time of his Petition for Naturalization it was Hungarian, and at the time of his death it was Romanian, so I find all these on documents. Bottom line, it comes down to the town they are from, what was the governing country for that date; and what choices did the form or instruction offer for them to choose between. Leslie Gyi nee FEIG Researching FEIGs anywhere POLLAKs/POLAKs/POLLACKs in Carpathia & Poland GOLDENBERGs/GILDENBERGs in Carpathia & Poland HAYNICKs/HAJNIKs/HANICKs in Poland & Ukraine
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My question is the nationality was listed as Austrian and where this person was >from was Galicia, however no town in Galicia was listed. The arrival year was in 1902. Aside >from going back through all the Shetl links for Austria, Poland and the Ukraine is there a better way to research this.
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Re: Bedzin
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Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
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Bedzin, Sosnowiec, Dabrowa (Dombrowa) are principal towns of the area known as Zaglebie (Zaglembye), of ex Russian Empire. Area is adjacent to ex- Prussian and Austro-Hungarian Imperial borders. Town Myslowice near Katowice of Gorny Slask (Oberschliessen) on the Czarna Przemsza River was actually known as the point where all three Empires borders have met. Didn't I write already on this subject? Alexander Sharon Calgary, AB, Canada From: "Carol Cohen" <cgandhc@...>
Where is Bedzin? Is it in Galicia? Thanks, Carol Cohen
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Bedzin
#galicia
Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
Hi,
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Bedzin, Sosnowiec, Dabrowa (Dombrowa) are principal towns of the area known as Zaglebie (Zaglembye), of ex Russian Empire. Area is adjacent to ex- Prussian and Austro-Hungarian Imperial borders. Town Myslowice near Katowice of Gorny Slask (Oberschliessen) on the Czarna Przemsza River was actually known as the point where all three Empires borders have met. Didn't I write already on this subject? Alexander Sharon Calgary, AB, Canada From: "Carol Cohen" <cgandhc@...>
Where is Bedzin? Is it in Galicia? Thanks, Carol Cohen
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Galician Jewish woman converting to Catholicism
#galicia
JenniferSchu@...
For anyone who has been following my (rather boring) story of seeming to
discover a previously unknown Jewish heritage: My great-grandmother, Marya Rubin of Galicia, married Stanley Bogielczyk of Philadelphia. Their first child was born in 1911. Bogielcyzk was the son of Andrezj Bogielczyk, who owned a grocery store in the Port Richmond section of Philadelphia. Andrezj was one of the founders of St. Adalbert's Polish Catholic Church, the only Polish church in Philadelphia which still stands today. So I am thinking that Marya Rubin must have converted to Catholicism upon her marriage. The family has been Catholic for generations and there was never a hint that Marya might have been Jewish. I even have her funeral Mass card dated April 4, 1932. I sympathize with her because it must have been hard to give up her religious heritage... but perhaps she simply fell in love. Jennifer Schu Glazewski Wayne, PA
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Galician Jewish woman converting to Catholicism
#galicia
JenniferSchu@...
For anyone who has been following my (rather boring) story of seeming to
discover a previously unknown Jewish heritage: My great-grandmother, Marya Rubin of Galicia, married Stanley Bogielczyk of Philadelphia. Their first child was born in 1911. Bogielcyzk was the son of Andrezj Bogielczyk, who owned a grocery store in the Port Richmond section of Philadelphia. Andrezj was one of the founders of St. Adalbert's Polish Catholic Church, the only Polish church in Philadelphia which still stands today. So I am thinking that Marya Rubin must have converted to Catholicism upon her marriage. The family has been Catholic for generations and there was never a hint that Marya might have been Jewish. I even have her funeral Mass card dated April 4, 1932. I sympathize with her because it must have been hard to give up her religious heritage... but perhaps she simply fell in love. Jennifer Schu Glazewski Wayne, PA
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Ellis Island
#galicia
Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
Belinda Dishon wrote:
"...William Orgel arrived in 1920 at Ellis Island at the age of 43. The ship manifest also records that he was naturalized in the District Court Elizabeth N.J.in 1911? How could he have been naturalized before he arrived in N.J ?..." This wouldn't apply in your case, but to answer your question, it was possible to become a naturalized without ever being in the United States. This happened to my dad, who became a citizen via his father's naturalization process. At the time he was a 3 year old in Poland. He arrived a couple of years later. Your person was too old for this scenerio to apply, though. Debbie Raff
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Ellis Island
#galicia
Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
Belinda Dishon wrote:
"...William Orgel arrived in 1920 at Ellis Island at the age of 43. The ship manifest also records that he was naturalized in the District Court Elizabeth N.J.in 1911? How could he have been naturalized before he arrived in N.J ?..." This wouldn't apply in your case, but to answer your question, it was possible to become a naturalized without ever being in the United States. This happened to my dad, who became a citizen via his father's naturalization process. At the time he was a 3 year old in Poland. He arrived a couple of years later. Your person was too old for this scenerio to apply, though. Debbie Raff
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Re: Jewish surname (sorry, this is long!)
#galicia
Colleen <pa18229@...>
Hi Jennifer and List,
I'd be interested in any response you receive as I have encountered nearly the same situation. I recently began corresponding with a cousin who's sharing information about our Karlitskie family >from Jawornik or Javirnyk, in Ukrainian, which ceased to exist after 1947, according to the book "Our People" by Paul Robert Magocsi. It was located in the former Galician District of Sanok, which is in the present administrative subdivision of Krosno in Poland. According to this cousin, my great grandmother's brother, Frank Karlitskie, made a deathbed "confession" admitting that he was a Ukrainian Jew. Also, their mother was unhappy because their brother, John, married a non-Jew. I don't know if this marriage took place in the US or "over there." When I discussed this with my grandmother (at Easter no less) she already knew! Unfortunately my great grandmother died in 1922 when my grandmother was six so she never had the chance to discuss this with her. This family emigrated in approx. 1900 and belonged to St. Mary's Ukrainian Catholic Church in Mahanoy City and St. Michael's Ukrainian Greek Catholic church in Shenandoah, both in Schuylkill County, PA. I'm ashamed to admit that I know nothing about what was happening in that area of Europe 100 years ago that would make a family choose to or have to deny their Jewish-ness. Would they have wanted to make a fresh start in America? I'd be grateful for any advice or suggestions! Kind Regards, ~Colleen O'Byrne
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The Galitzianer: May Issue
#galicia
Edward Goldstein
The May issue of The Galitzianer has been mailed.
If you are a member and do not receive the issue within a reasonable time (considering that it is going via US Mail) please let me know. Also, please give us some feedback on what you particularly like and dislike about this issue. We need the information to improve the publication. Edward GoldsteinEditor
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Jewish surname (sorry, this is long!)
#galicia
Colleen <pa18229@...>
Hi Jennifer and List,
I'd be interested in any response you receive as I have encountered nearly the same situation. I recently began corresponding with a cousin who's sharing information about our Karlitskie family >from Jawornik or Javirnyk, in Ukrainian, which ceased to exist after 1947, according to the book "Our People" by Paul Robert Magocsi. It was located in the former Galician District of Sanok, which is in the present administrative subdivision of Krosno in Poland. According to this cousin, my great grandmother's brother, Frank Karlitskie, made a deathbed "confession" admitting that he was a Ukrainian Jew. Also, their mother was unhappy because their brother, John, married a non-Jew. I don't know if this marriage took place in the US or "over there." When I discussed this with my grandmother (at Easter no less) she already knew! Unfortunately my great grandmother died in 1922 when my grandmother was six so she never had the chance to discuss this with her. This family emigrated in approx. 1900 and belonged to St. Mary's Ukrainian Catholic Church in Mahanoy City and St. Michael's Ukrainian Greek Catholic church in Shenandoah, both in Schuylkill County, PA. I'm ashamed to admit that I know nothing about what was happening in that area of Europe 100 years ago that would make a family choose to or have to deny their Jewish-ness. Would they have wanted to make a fresh start in America? I'd be grateful for any advice or suggestions! Kind Regards, ~Colleen O'Byrne
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia The Galitzianer: May Issue
#galicia
Edward Goldstein
The May issue of The Galitzianer has been mailed.
If you are a member and do not receive the issue within a reasonable time (considering that it is going via US Mail) please let me know. Also, please give us some feedback on what you particularly like and dislike about this issue. We need the information to improve the publication. Edward GoldsteinEditor
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Re: Catholic given name/Jewish surname
#galicia
Jassem, Peter <jassep@...>
I have translated many Jewish vital records >from Polish and I have indexed
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many pages for JRI. I have seen the name Maria on at least several occasions. Also, I saw it in some publications listing Jewish given names in Poland. Therefore one may only conclude that this name, commonly associated with Catholics, was also occasionally used by Jews. As for mixed marriages at the turn of 19th century I encountered some instances only among secular or assimilated Jews, mostly in large cities. Peter Jassem Toronto, Ontario jassep@...
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I have my great-grandmother's funeral Mass card, on which her name is Marya Bogielczyk. The card is in Polish, and she died 4 Kwietnia (April) 1932. I know Marya's last name was Rubin because that was on her daughter's (my Grandmom's) death certificate. This is a great mystery. Why would someone name a little Jewish girl "Maria?" I do not think it was ever Miriam. This woman apparently lived and was buried as a Catholic. The only clue I have is my grandmother's younger sister who died a few years ago. When we asked her if her mother was Jewish, she paused for a long moment, then nodded slightly. She was an elderly lady and devout lifelong Catholic... so we did not press the issue. (Her mother died when she was only 14.) I am thinking that Maria Rubin may have been the child of a mixed marriage, of Jewish father and Catholic mother. Did such marriages happen in Poland in the late 19th century? Regards, Jennifer Schu Glazewski Wayne, PA
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Re: Serving as a soldier
#galicia
Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
Dear genners,
Thank you to all of you for taking the time to give me such a valuable information on my grandfather. Thanks to all of you. Lilian Schorr Landes lilianschorr@...
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Re: Let me share with you my first success !!!!
#galicia
Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
Dear jewishgenners,
I have started 7 month ago with this "job" of trying to find survivors/relatives of my family. Yesterday I had my first moving success. I have contacted the first cousin I have in my family. I have never known of any cousin. Murray is 80 years old, lives in Canada and his mother was my grandfather's sister (on my mother's side). This would have never been possible without JEWISH GEN.!!!!!!!! THANK YOU ALL............ Lilian Schorr Landes lilianschorr@...
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Catholic given name/Jewish surname
#galicia
Jassem, Peter <jassep@...>
I have translated many Jewish vital records >from Polish and I have indexed
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many pages for JRI. I have seen the name Maria on at least several occasions. Also, I saw it in some publications listing Jewish given names in Poland. Therefore one may only conclude that this name, commonly associated with Catholics, was also occasionally used by Jews. As for mixed marriages at the turn of 19th century I encountered some instances only among secular or assimilated Jews, mostly in large cities. Peter Jassem Toronto, Ontario jassep@...
-----Original Message-----
I have my great-grandmother's funeral Mass card, on which her name is Marya Bogielczyk. The card is in Polish, and she died 4 Kwietnia (April) 1932. I know Marya's last name was Rubin because that was on her daughter's (my Grandmom's) death certificate. This is a great mystery. Why would someone name a little Jewish girl "Maria?" I do not think it was ever Miriam. This woman apparently lived and was buried as a Catholic. The only clue I have is my grandmother's younger sister who died a few years ago. When we asked her if her mother was Jewish, she paused for a long moment, then nodded slightly. She was an elderly lady and devout lifelong Catholic... so we did not press the issue. (Her mother died when she was only 14.) I am thinking that Maria Rubin may have been the child of a mixed marriage, of Jewish father and Catholic mother. Did such marriages happen in Poland in the late 19th century? Regards, Jennifer Schu Glazewski Wayne, PA
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Serving as a soldier
#galicia
Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
Dear genners,
Thank you to all of you for taking the time to give me such a valuable information on my grandfather. Thanks to all of you. Lilian Schorr Landes lilianschorr@...
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Let me share with you my first success !!!!
#galicia
Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
Dear jewishgenners,
I have started 7 month ago with this "job" of trying to find survivors/relatives of my family. Yesterday I had my first moving success. I have contacted the first cousin I have in my family. I have never known of any cousin. Murray is 80 years old, lives in Canada and his mother was my grandfather's sister (on my mother's side). This would have never been possible without JEWISH GEN.!!!!!!!! THANK YOU ALL............ Lilian Schorr Landes lilianschorr@...
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