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Re: Bedzin #france

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Hi,

Bedzin, Sosnowiec, Dabrowa (Dombrowa) are principal towns of the area known
as Zaglebie (Zaglembye), of ex Russian Empire. Area is adjacent to ex-
Prussian and Austro-Hungarian Imperial borders. Town Myslowice near Katowice
of Gorny Slask (Oberschliessen) on the Czarna Przemsza River was actually
known as the point where all three Empires borders have met. Didn't I write
already on this subject?

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB, Canada



From: "Carol Cohen" <cgandhc@...>

Where is Bedzin? Is it in Galicia? Thanks, Carol Cohen

Carol Cohen
cococo@...
Dallas, TX USA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Bedzin #galicia

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Hi,

Bedzin, Sosnowiec, Dabrowa (Dombrowa) are principal towns of the area known
as Zaglebie (Zaglembye), of ex Russian Empire. Area is adjacent to ex-
Prussian and Austro-Hungarian Imperial borders. Town Myslowice near Katowice
of Gorny Slask (Oberschliessen) on the Czarna Przemsza River was actually
known as the point where all three Empires borders have met. Didn't I write
already on this subject?

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB, Canada



From: "Carol Cohen" <cgandhc@...>

Where is Bedzin? Is it in Galicia? Thanks, Carol Cohen

Carol Cohen
cococo@...
Dallas, TX USA


Galician Jewish woman converting to Catholicism #galicia

JenniferSchu@...
 

For anyone who has been following my (rather boring) story of seeming to
discover a previously unknown Jewish heritage:

My great-grandmother, Marya Rubin of Galicia, married Stanley Bogielczyk of
Philadelphia. Their first child was born in 1911. Bogielcyzk was the son of
Andrezj Bogielczyk, who owned a grocery store in the Port Richmond section of
Philadelphia. Andrezj was one of the founders of St. Adalbert's Polish
Catholic Church, the only Polish church in Philadelphia which still stands
today. So I am thinking that Marya Rubin must have converted to Catholicism
upon her marriage. The family has been Catholic for generations and there
was never a hint that Marya might have been Jewish. I even have her funeral
Mass card dated April 4, 1932. I sympathize with her because it must have
been hard to give up her religious heritage... but perhaps she simply fell in
love.

Jennifer Schu Glazewski
Wayne, PA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Galician Jewish woman converting to Catholicism #galicia

JenniferSchu@...
 

For anyone who has been following my (rather boring) story of seeming to
discover a previously unknown Jewish heritage:

My great-grandmother, Marya Rubin of Galicia, married Stanley Bogielczyk of
Philadelphia. Their first child was born in 1911. Bogielcyzk was the son of
Andrezj Bogielczyk, who owned a grocery store in the Port Richmond section of
Philadelphia. Andrezj was one of the founders of St. Adalbert's Polish
Catholic Church, the only Polish church in Philadelphia which still stands
today. So I am thinking that Marya Rubin must have converted to Catholicism
upon her marriage. The family has been Catholic for generations and there
was never a hint that Marya might have been Jewish. I even have her funeral
Mass card dated April 4, 1932. I sympathize with her because it must have
been hard to give up her religious heritage... but perhaps she simply fell in
love.

Jennifer Schu Glazewski
Wayne, PA


Ellis Island #galicia

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

Belinda Dishon wrote:
"...William Orgel arrived in 1920 at Ellis Island at the age of 43. The ship
manifest also records that he was naturalized in the District Court
Elizabeth N.J.in 1911? How could he have been naturalized before he arrived
in N.J ?..."

This wouldn't apply in your case, but to answer your question, it was
possible to become a naturalized without ever being in the United States.
This happened to my dad, who became a citizen via his father's
naturalization process. At the time he was a 3 year old in Poland. He
arrived a couple of years later. Your person was too old for this scenerio
to apply, though.

Debbie Raff


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Ellis Island #galicia

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

Belinda Dishon wrote:
"...William Orgel arrived in 1920 at Ellis Island at the age of 43. The ship
manifest also records that he was naturalized in the District Court
Elizabeth N.J.in 1911? How could he have been naturalized before he arrived
in N.J ?..."

This wouldn't apply in your case, but to answer your question, it was
possible to become a naturalized without ever being in the United States.
This happened to my dad, who became a citizen via his father's
naturalization process. At the time he was a 3 year old in Poland. He
arrived a couple of years later. Your person was too old for this scenerio
to apply, though.

Debbie Raff


The Galitzianer: May Issue #galicia

Edward Goldstein
 

The May issue of The Galitzianer has been mailed.

If you are a member and do not receive the issue within a reasonable
time (considering that it is going via US Mail) please let me know.

Also, please give us some feedback on what you particularly like and
dislike about this issue. We need the information to improve the
publication.

Edward GoldsteinEditor


Re: Jewish surname (sorry, this is long!) #galicia

Colleen <pa18229@...>
 

Hi Jennifer and List,

I'd be interested in any response you receive as I have encountered
nearly the same situation.

I recently began corresponding with a cousin who's sharing information
about our Karlitskie family >from Jawornik or Javirnyk, in Ukrainian,
which ceased to exist after 1947, according to the book "Our People" by
Paul Robert Magocsi. It was located in the former Galician District of
Sanok, which is in the present administrative subdivision of Krosno in
Poland.

According to this cousin, my great grandmother's brother, Frank
Karlitskie, made a deathbed "confession" admitting that he was a
Ukrainian Jew. Also, their mother was unhappy because their brother,
John, married a non-Jew. I don't know if this marriage took place in the
US or "over there." When I discussed this with my grandmother (at Easter
no less) she already knew! Unfortunately my great grandmother died in
1922 when my grandmother was six so she never had the chance to discuss
this with her.

This family emigrated in approx. 1900 and belonged to St. Mary's
Ukrainian Catholic Church in Mahanoy City and St. Michael's Ukrainian
Greek Catholic church in Shenandoah, both in Schuylkill County, PA.

I'm ashamed to admit that I know nothing about what was happening in
that area of Europe 100 years ago that would make a family choose to or
have to deny their Jewish-ness. Would they have wanted to make a fresh
start in America?

I'd be grateful for any advice or suggestions!

Kind Regards,
~Colleen O'Byrne


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Jewish surname (sorry, this is long!) #galicia

Colleen <pa18229@...>
 

Hi Jennifer and List,

I'd be interested in any response you receive as I have encountered
nearly the same situation.

I recently began corresponding with a cousin who's sharing information
about our Karlitskie family >from Jawornik or Javirnyk, in Ukrainian,
which ceased to exist after 1947, according to the book "Our People" by
Paul Robert Magocsi. It was located in the former Galician District of
Sanok, which is in the present administrative subdivision of Krosno in
Poland.

According to this cousin, my great grandmother's brother, Frank
Karlitskie, made a deathbed "confession" admitting that he was a
Ukrainian Jew. Also, their mother was unhappy because their brother,
John, married a non-Jew. I don't know if this marriage took place in the
US or "over there." When I discussed this with my grandmother (at Easter
no less) she already knew! Unfortunately my great grandmother died in
1922 when my grandmother was six so she never had the chance to discuss
this with her.

This family emigrated in approx. 1900 and belonged to St. Mary's
Ukrainian Catholic Church in Mahanoy City and St. Michael's Ukrainian
Greek Catholic church in Shenandoah, both in Schuylkill County, PA.

I'm ashamed to admit that I know nothing about what was happening in
that area of Europe 100 years ago that would make a family choose to or
have to deny their Jewish-ness. Would they have wanted to make a fresh
start in America?

I'd be grateful for any advice or suggestions!

Kind Regards,
~Colleen O'Byrne


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia The Galitzianer: May Issue #galicia

Edward Goldstein
 

The May issue of The Galitzianer has been mailed.

If you are a member and do not receive the issue within a reasonable
time (considering that it is going via US Mail) please let me know.

Also, please give us some feedback on what you particularly like and
dislike about this issue. We need the information to improve the
publication.

Edward GoldsteinEditor


Re: Serving as a soldier #galicia

Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Dear genners,
Thank you to all of you for taking the time to give me such a valuable
information on my grandfather.
Thanks to all of you.

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@...


Re: Let me share with you my first success !!!! #galicia

Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Dear jewishgenners,
I have started 7 month ago with this "job" of trying to find
survivors/relatives
of my family. Yesterday I had my first moving success. I have contacted
the first cousin I have in my family. I have never known of any cousin.
Murray is 80 years old, lives in Canada and his mother was my grandfather's
sister (on my mother's side).
This would have never been possible without JEWISH GEN.!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU ALL............

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@...


Re: Catholic given name/Jewish surname #galicia

Jassem, Peter <jassep@...>
 

I have translated many Jewish vital records >from Polish and I have indexed
many pages for JRI. I have seen the name Maria on at least several
occasions. Also, I saw it in some publications listing Jewish given names
in Poland. Therefore one may only conclude that this name, commonly
associated with Catholics, was also occasionally used by Jews. As for mixed
marriages at the turn of 19th century I encountered some instances only
among secular or assimilated Jews, mostly in large cities.

Peter Jassem
Toronto, Ontario
jassep@...

-----Original Message-----

I have my great-grandmother's funeral Mass card, on which her name is Marya
Bogielczyk. The card is in Polish, and she died 4 Kwietnia (April) 1932. I
know Marya's last name was Rubin because that was on her daughter's (my
Grandmom's) death certificate. This is a great mystery. Why would
someone
name a little Jewish girl "Maria?" I do not think it was ever Miriam. This
woman apparently lived and was buried as a Catholic. The only clue I have
is
my grandmother's younger sister who died a few years ago. When we asked her
if her mother was Jewish, she paused for a long moment, then nodded
slightly. She was an elderly lady and devout lifelong Catholic... so we did
not press the issue. (Her mother died when she was only 14.) I am thinking
that Maria Rubin may have been the child of a mixed marriage, of Jewish
father and Catholic mother. Did such marriages happen in Poland in the late
19th century?

Regards,

Jennifer Schu Glazewski
Wayne, PA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Catholic given name/Jewish surname #galicia

Jassem, Peter <jassep@...>
 

I have translated many Jewish vital records >from Polish and I have indexed
many pages for JRI. I have seen the name Maria on at least several
occasions. Also, I saw it in some publications listing Jewish given names
in Poland. Therefore one may only conclude that this name, commonly
associated with Catholics, was also occasionally used by Jews. As for mixed
marriages at the turn of 19th century I encountered some instances only
among secular or assimilated Jews, mostly in large cities.

Peter Jassem
Toronto, Ontario
jassep@...

-----Original Message-----

I have my great-grandmother's funeral Mass card, on which her name is Marya
Bogielczyk. The card is in Polish, and she died 4 Kwietnia (April) 1932. I
know Marya's last name was Rubin because that was on her daughter's (my
Grandmom's) death certificate. This is a great mystery. Why would
someone
name a little Jewish girl "Maria?" I do not think it was ever Miriam. This
woman apparently lived and was buried as a Catholic. The only clue I have
is
my grandmother's younger sister who died a few years ago. When we asked her
if her mother was Jewish, she paused for a long moment, then nodded
slightly. She was an elderly lady and devout lifelong Catholic... so we did
not press the issue. (Her mother died when she was only 14.) I am thinking
that Maria Rubin may have been the child of a mixed marriage, of Jewish
father and Catholic mother. Did such marriages happen in Poland in the late
19th century?

Regards,

Jennifer Schu Glazewski
Wayne, PA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Serving as a soldier #galicia

Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Dear genners,
Thank you to all of you for taking the time to give me such a valuable
information on my grandfather.
Thanks to all of you.

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Let me share with you my first success !!!! #galicia

Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Dear jewishgenners,
I have started 7 month ago with this "job" of trying to find
survivors/relatives
of my family. Yesterday I had my first moving success. I have contacted
the first cousin I have in my family. I have never known of any cousin.
Murray is 80 years old, lives in Canada and his mother was my grandfather's
sister (on my mother's side).
This would have never been possible without JEWISH GEN.!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU ALL............

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@...


Re: Henek-Herman #galicia

Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Thank you very much to all those who took the time to reply to my e-mail.
I have just confirmed that YES, my uncle was Henek (called by his family)
and Herman in legal Papers.

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Henek-Herman #galicia

Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Thank you very much to all those who took the time to reply to my e-mail.
I have just confirmed that YES, my uncle was Henek (called by his family)
and Herman in legal Papers.

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@...


Prussian Army Records #general

Dolores Palomo <djpal1@...>
 

Through a contact established through this newsletter, David Marblestone
and I have discovered that we have common ancestors with the unusual
surname of Quartiermeister, which is German for quartermaster. This name
appears early in the 19th century, in Grodzisk (Gratz) in the province of
Poznan. I am guessting that a member of the family was a quartermaster in
the army, prsumably Prussian, and chose the name accordingly.

Does anyone know what kinds of Prussian military records are available for
this period?

Dolores Palomo
Seattle

Searching: SEIDE (Poznan, England, NYC)
ROTHENBERG (Julia and Charlotte, 1900-1920, USA)
SPIEGEL (Herman, Raphael, Gilbert, Eva: Hartford CT)
PAULINE SEIDE SPIEGEL (NYC Schoolteacher to 1930s)
QUARTIERMEISTER (Prussia, 19th century)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Prussian Army Records #general

Dolores Palomo <djpal1@...>
 

Through a contact established through this newsletter, David Marblestone
and I have discovered that we have common ancestors with the unusual
surname of Quartiermeister, which is German for quartermaster. This name
appears early in the 19th century, in Grodzisk (Gratz) in the province of
Poznan. I am guessting that a member of the family was a quartermaster in
the army, prsumably Prussian, and chose the name accordingly.

Does anyone know what kinds of Prussian military records are available for
this period?

Dolores Palomo
Seattle

Searching: SEIDE (Poznan, England, NYC)
ROTHENBERG (Julia and Charlotte, 1900-1920, USA)
SPIEGEL (Herman, Raphael, Gilbert, Eva: Hartford CT)
PAULINE SEIDE SPIEGEL (NYC Schoolteacher to 1930s)
QUARTIERMEISTER (Prussia, 19th century)