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Re: Klonomos gever #latvia

Dinberg Donna <donna.dinberg@...>
 

Hi Ben,

I checked my index of the names in Yudel Flior's book "Dvinsk, the rise and
decline of a town" and have found the following (page number references in
parentheses):

GEVER Motke: killed by a bomb he was carrying after meeting of Jewish
resistance group (p.150)
(--?--) Shmuel: a barber; lost leg in bomb blast (p.150)
(--?--) Itzik: locksmith; arrested and sent to Siberia (p.152)
ZILBERMAN (--?--): fur merchant (p.39)

The last two may not be yours. Motke is probably yours, and Shmuel may be
his brother (this is a guess on my part, based on your list of names). Here
is the passage about the accidental bomb blast, circa 1905, that befell the
Jewish resistance group:

"The organisation was jubilant at the successes it was having. But their
rejoicing came to a sudden end when, through an accident, a catastrophe
overtook them. They were holding a meeting in the circus. Armed sentries
were guarding against a possible attack >from the Black Hundreds. At the end
of the meeting, they were all making for their homes. The roads were
slippery >from the frost and snaw. Motke Gever slipped and fell. The bomb
he was carrying blew up and killed both him and Borochowitz. Six others
were wounded. Shmuel, the barber, remained with one leg for the rest of his
life. Hirshele Borochowitz had worked for my father. He was a refined and
keen-minded student, beloved by everyone. The affection in which he was
held, may be gathered >from the fact that everyone called him Hirshele."

-- Flior, Yudel. Dvinsk : the rise and decline of a town.
Translated >from the Yiddish by Bernard Sachs.
Johannesburg : Dial Press [1956], page 150.

I echo Judy's encouragement to you to contact the Latvian State Historical
Archive. They have produced wonderful information for me also, much of
which was not online. You may have to wait a while for results, and the
service is for a (reasonable) fee. The quality of the information they
provide, if information on your family is held in the Archive, is excellent.

Hope this helps.

Donna Dinberg
Librarian, JGS of Ottawa
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca

<Opinions above are my own and are not intended to reflect those of my
employer. Usual disclaimers apply.>

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Forman [mailto:ben.forman@bbc.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 8:40 AM
Subject: [latvia] Klonomos gever
<snip>
I'm told that the individual I'm looking for came >from Dvinsk his name
was: Klonomos GEVER
His son was Shlomo Ben KLONOMOS and he married Bessie SILVER. At some
point the name was changed to SILVERMAN. I assume they
married around 1870 since their first child was born in 1872
they then had 10 further children until 1892 (Myer, Leah,
Gertrude, Mary, Annie, eva, Dora, Jane, Sam and Isaac)
<snip>


Latvia SIG #Latvia RE: Klonomos gever #latvia

Dinberg Donna <donna.dinberg@...>
 

Hi Ben,

I checked my index of the names in Yudel Flior's book "Dvinsk, the rise and
decline of a town" and have found the following (page number references in
parentheses):

GEVER Motke: killed by a bomb he was carrying after meeting of Jewish
resistance group (p.150)
(--?--) Shmuel: a barber; lost leg in bomb blast (p.150)
(--?--) Itzik: locksmith; arrested and sent to Siberia (p.152)
ZILBERMAN (--?--): fur merchant (p.39)

The last two may not be yours. Motke is probably yours, and Shmuel may be
his brother (this is a guess on my part, based on your list of names). Here
is the passage about the accidental bomb blast, circa 1905, that befell the
Jewish resistance group:

"The organisation was jubilant at the successes it was having. But their
rejoicing came to a sudden end when, through an accident, a catastrophe
overtook them. They were holding a meeting in the circus. Armed sentries
were guarding against a possible attack >from the Black Hundreds. At the end
of the meeting, they were all making for their homes. The roads were
slippery >from the frost and snaw. Motke Gever slipped and fell. The bomb
he was carrying blew up and killed both him and Borochowitz. Six others
were wounded. Shmuel, the barber, remained with one leg for the rest of his
life. Hirshele Borochowitz had worked for my father. He was a refined and
keen-minded student, beloved by everyone. The affection in which he was
held, may be gathered >from the fact that everyone called him Hirshele."

-- Flior, Yudel. Dvinsk : the rise and decline of a town.
Translated >from the Yiddish by Bernard Sachs.
Johannesburg : Dial Press [1956], page 150.

I echo Judy's encouragement to you to contact the Latvian State Historical
Archive. They have produced wonderful information for me also, much of
which was not online. You may have to wait a while for results, and the
service is for a (reasonable) fee. The quality of the information they
provide, if information on your family is held in the Archive, is excellent.

Hope this helps.

Donna Dinberg
Librarian, JGS of Ottawa
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
donna.dinberg@lac-bac.gc.ca

<Opinions above are my own and are not intended to reflect those of my
employer. Usual disclaimers apply.>

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Forman [mailto:ben.forman@bbc.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 8:40 AM
Subject: [latvia] Klonomos gever
<snip>
I'm told that the individual I'm looking for came >from Dvinsk his name
was: Klonomos GEVER
His son was Shlomo Ben KLONOMOS and he married Bessie SILVER. At some
point the name was changed to SILVERMAN. I assume they
married around 1870 since their first child was born in 1872
they then had 10 further children until 1892 (Myer, Leah,
Gertrude, Mary, Annie, eva, Dora, Jane, Sam and Isaac)
<snip>


Re: Hebrew Subscription Lists? (Sefer HaPrenumerantn) #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Tom Chatt wrote:

the Hebrew Subsription Lists (Sefer HaPrenumerantn). It is also one
of theprimary sources for Chester Cohen's _Shtetl Finder_. As it is
described, itseems to be a list of people who had prepaid for
various books to bepublished. It sounds like a fascinating resource,
as not only would it give you a list of names of people and their
villages, but it would let you know what they were reading! :-) Has
anyone seen this book before? Can someonedescribe in a bit more
detail what kind of information can be found in it? Also, is it
written in Yiddish or in English?
Dear Tom,

You are right about such a list being a valuable resource. It's
interesting to note that many Jews residing in London c.1800 joined a
subscription list in 1807 to pay for the publication of the first
edition of the David Levi mahzor (the first festival prayer book to
be published with English translation). This set of six volumes
became the model for all later English editions of the Mahzor).

Subscribers' names, listed (in English, of course) in volume 6 (the
Shavu'ot volume), include some of my own ancestors living in London
at the time. The names are listed alphabetically by name, with
street addresses. I seem to recall that the data on these
subscribers appears on the London Jews' Data Base website.

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hebrew Subscription Lists? (Sefer HaPrenumerantn) #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Tom Chatt wrote:

the Hebrew Subsription Lists (Sefer HaPrenumerantn). It is also one
of theprimary sources for Chester Cohen's _Shtetl Finder_. As it is
described, itseems to be a list of people who had prepaid for
various books to bepublished. It sounds like a fascinating resource,
as not only would it give you a list of names of people and their
villages, but it would let you know what they were reading! :-) Has
anyone seen this book before? Can someonedescribe in a bit more
detail what kind of information can be found in it? Also, is it
written in Yiddish or in English?
Dear Tom,

You are right about such a list being a valuable resource. It's
interesting to note that many Jews residing in London c.1800 joined a
subscription list in 1807 to pay for the publication of the first
edition of the David Levi mahzor (the first festival prayer book to
be published with English translation). This set of six volumes
became the model for all later English editions of the Mahzor).

Subscribers' names, listed (in English, of course) in volume 6 (the
Shavu'ot volume), include some of my own ancestors living in London
at the time. The names are listed alphabetically by name, with
street addresses. I seem to recall that the data on these
subscribers appears on the London Jews' Data Base website.

Judith Romney Wegner


ViewMate 4642 and VM 4643: translation from Russian re: deaths of twins/soldiers #general

Steven Garber <shgarber@...>
 

Dear Jenners,

Please respond privately, and not to this list!
These twins were not my relatives. They were uncles of a friend of mine.
We're interested in learning the fate of three KARASIK sisters, too. Our
best guess is that they died at Pochep or Dnepropetrovsk. We don't know
their married names.

Thank you!

Steve Garber, of Denver
Researching:
GARBER (Staryy Chartoriysk, Ukraine) BAR (Kolki, Ukraine (near Lutsk)).
LIFSCHES/LIFSCHITZ (Vashkovtsy, Ukraine; Israel)
GLASER (Vashkovtsy, Ukraine)
ZLOCZOWER (Vizhnitsa, Vashkovtsy, Milie, Ispas, Czarnohuzy, Chernovtsy
(all formerly in North Bukovina), Ukraine; Israel, elsewhere).
CHERGER (Staryy Chartoriysk/Lutsk area, Ukraine)

MODERATOR NOTE: Go to <http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate 4642 and VM 4643: translation from Russian re: deaths of twins/soldiers #general

Steven Garber <shgarber@...>
 

Dear Jenners,

Please respond privately, and not to this list!
These twins were not my relatives. They were uncles of a friend of mine.
We're interested in learning the fate of three KARASIK sisters, too. Our
best guess is that they died at Pochep or Dnepropetrovsk. We don't know
their married names.

Thank you!

Steve Garber, of Denver
Researching:
GARBER (Staryy Chartoriysk, Ukraine) BAR (Kolki, Ukraine (near Lutsk)).
LIFSCHES/LIFSCHITZ (Vashkovtsy, Ukraine; Israel)
GLASER (Vashkovtsy, Ukraine)
ZLOCZOWER (Vizhnitsa, Vashkovtsy, Milie, Ispas, Czarnohuzy, Chernovtsy
(all formerly in North Bukovina), Ukraine; Israel, elsewhere).
CHERGER (Staryy Chartoriysk/Lutsk area, Ukraine)

MODERATOR NOTE: Go to <http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp>.


"Americans of Jewish Descent" by Malcolm Stern - full text & genealogies now online #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

Malcolm Stern's 'American's of Jewish Descent' marked a milestone in the
study of American Jewish genealogy. The American Jewish Archives is proud
to make the latest edition of this classic text available online.

First American Jewish Families: 600 Genealogies, 1654-1988. (3rd Ed. 1991)
lists genealogies of many Sephardic families.
http://www.americanjewisharchives.org/aja/FAJF/intro.html
--
Bernard Kouchel
List Manager, Sefard Forum
bkouchel@jewishgen.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Americans of Jewish Descent" by Malcolm Stern - full text & genealogies now online #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

Malcolm Stern's 'American's of Jewish Descent' marked a milestone in the
study of American Jewish genealogy. The American Jewish Archives is proud
to make the latest edition of this classic text available online.

First American Jewish Families: 600 Genealogies, 1654-1988. (3rd Ed. 1991)
lists genealogies of many Sephardic families.
http://www.americanjewisharchives.org/aja/FAJF/intro.html
--
Bernard Kouchel
List Manager, Sefard Forum
bkouchel@jewishgen.org


Correction: Russian Translation needed not Polish translation #general

m.steinberg@...
 

With regard to my last post reproduced below, I would like to correct myself,
I need a Russian Translation not a Polish Translation.

I wish to thank everyone who pointed out to me my mistake and I apologize for
any inconvenience.


[snip]

[I need a **Russian** translation of my] family members' marriage record which
is in regard to Lejb Mandelzas-Sarga and Chaia
Ruchla Janowska >from 1892, Radom, Poland, which can be found at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4647


Thank you in advance.

Please respond to me privately at: m.steinberg@utoronto.ca


All the best,
Moshe Steinberg,
Uchanie Town Leader, Zamosc Archives Project
Vancouver, Canada

WAGNER, SANG, NAGLER, FISCHER (FISZER), HELMAN Zaleshchiki, Borszczow:(Galicia-->
Poland-->Ukraine), New York City, Israel WAGNER, ADLER, EDER Jezierzany, Grabowce,
Pilatkowce, Czarnokonce and Losiacz: (Galicia--> Poland-->Ukraine)
STEINBERG, GLAZER, HUDES Hrubieszow, Lublin, Uchanie (Poland), Montreal,
California, Iowa GRANIRER (GRANIERER), SALCMAN, ARONOWICZ, KRONENFELD, FUHRMAN,
GOLDSCMIDT, SANDLER Czernowitz, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Correction: Russian Translation needed not Polish translation #general

m.steinberg@...
 

With regard to my last post reproduced below, I would like to correct myself,
I need a Russian Translation not a Polish Translation.

I wish to thank everyone who pointed out to me my mistake and I apologize for
any inconvenience.


[snip]

[I need a **Russian** translation of my] family members' marriage record which
is in regard to Lejb Mandelzas-Sarga and Chaia
Ruchla Janowska >from 1892, Radom, Poland, which can be found at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4647


Thank you in advance.

Please respond to me privately at: m.steinberg@utoronto.ca


All the best,
Moshe Steinberg,
Uchanie Town Leader, Zamosc Archives Project
Vancouver, Canada

WAGNER, SANG, NAGLER, FISCHER (FISZER), HELMAN Zaleshchiki, Borszczow:(Galicia-->
Poland-->Ukraine), New York City, Israel WAGNER, ADLER, EDER Jezierzany, Grabowce,
Pilatkowce, Czarnokonce and Losiacz: (Galicia--> Poland-->Ukraine)
STEINBERG, GLAZER, HUDES Hrubieszow, Lublin, Uchanie (Poland), Montreal,
California, Iowa GRANIRER (GRANIERER), SALCMAN, ARONOWICZ, KRONENFELD, FUHRMAN,
GOLDSCMIDT, SANDLER Czernowitz, Israel


Re: "Rosen's" Restaurant, Brooklyn, NY & "Junior's" in Westwood, Los Angeles #general

petiealznauer@earthlink.net <petiealznauer@...>
 

Yes, there *is* a Junior's on the Westside of Los Angeles almost a mile
south of Westwood Village on Westwood Boulevard by Pico Boulevard. I
think it was around the corner on Pico when I was growing up in the '60's.
No, I do not believe it has any connection with the New York "Junior's".

If you visit Los Angeles I highly recommend "Junior's" blintzes, chicken
matzo ball soup and latkes. After you have finished noshing you can burn
off the calories by walking to the LDS Mormon Library nearby on Santa
Monica Boulevard a few blocks east of Westwood Boulevard to do some
genealogy research. The staff there is very helpful.

I grew up (and my mother still lives) two streets >from "Juniors". My new
cousins on my ZILBERMAN line, the GOODMANs (who I found last year through
my genealogy research)live two streets in the other direction from
"Junior's".

We've been dining at the same Jewish delicatessen for decades and didn't
even know it!

I have no connection with the family that owns Juniors or with the
restaurant in any way.

Alexandra Alznauer
San Francisco

ZILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Seredzius, Jurbarkas, Pasvynty, Girkalnis - Lithuania
Koenigsberg, East Prussia); ALEXANDER (Troy, NY, Russia Poland); BLUM (Prussia);
LEVIN-EPSTEIN/HALEVY EPSTEIN, Girkalnis, Jonava - Lithuania; Sheffield, England);
YUDKOWSKY(Seredzius -Lithuania); LURIE, KHERSHENBAUM, SCHNEIDEROWITCH (Lithuania);
HOSENPUD/GOZENPUT (Smolensk, Russia; Minnesota); LICHTENSTEIN (Chicago, Il;
England); GARFIELD (Los Angeles; Ukraine); NEIFACH/NAYFACK (Ukraine)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Rosen's" Restaurant, Brooklyn, NY & "Junior's" in Westwood, Los Angeles #general

petiealznauer@earthlink.net <petiealznauer@...>
 

Yes, there *is* a Junior's on the Westside of Los Angeles almost a mile
south of Westwood Village on Westwood Boulevard by Pico Boulevard. I
think it was around the corner on Pico when I was growing up in the '60's.
No, I do not believe it has any connection with the New York "Junior's".

If you visit Los Angeles I highly recommend "Junior's" blintzes, chicken
matzo ball soup and latkes. After you have finished noshing you can burn
off the calories by walking to the LDS Mormon Library nearby on Santa
Monica Boulevard a few blocks east of Westwood Boulevard to do some
genealogy research. The staff there is very helpful.

I grew up (and my mother still lives) two streets >from "Juniors". My new
cousins on my ZILBERMAN line, the GOODMANs (who I found last year through
my genealogy research)live two streets in the other direction from
"Junior's".

We've been dining at the same Jewish delicatessen for decades and didn't
even know it!

I have no connection with the family that owns Juniors or with the
restaurant in any way.

Alexandra Alznauer
San Francisco

ZILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Seredzius, Jurbarkas, Pasvynty, Girkalnis - Lithuania
Koenigsberg, East Prussia); ALEXANDER (Troy, NY, Russia Poland); BLUM (Prussia);
LEVIN-EPSTEIN/HALEVY EPSTEIN, Girkalnis, Jonava - Lithuania; Sheffield, England);
YUDKOWSKY(Seredzius -Lithuania); LURIE, KHERSHENBAUM, SCHNEIDEROWITCH (Lithuania);
HOSENPUD/GOZENPUT (Smolensk, Russia; Minnesota); LICHTENSTEIN (Chicago, Il;
England); GARFIELD (Los Angeles; Ukraine); NEIFACH/NAYFACK (Ukraine)


Re: jri-pl digest: August 25, 2004 #poland

mark
 

shalom to everybody I am searching

WAJSENBERG >from Poland
BRANDWAJN >from Ostrog Zdolbunow Korosten
BEJZMAN lived in Novograd Volhynskij
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland Re: jri-pl digest: August 25, 2004 #poland

mark
 

shalom to everybody I am searching

WAJSENBERG >from Poland
BRANDWAJN >from Ostrog Zdolbunow Korosten
BEJZMAN lived in Novograd Volhynskij
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Correction: Russian Translation needed not Polish translation #poland

m.steinberg@...
 

With regard to my last post reproduced below, I would like to correct myself,
I need a Russian Translation not a Polish Translation.

I wish to thank everyone who pointed out to me my mistake and I apologize
for any inconvenience.


[snip]

[I need a **Russian** translation of my] family members' marriage record
which is in regard to Lejb Mandelzas-Sarga and Chaia
Ruchla Janowska >from 1892, Radom, Poland, which can be found at:


http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4647


Thank you in advance.

Please respond to me privately at: m.steinberg@utoronto.ca


All the best,
Moshe Steinberg,
Uchanie Town Leader, Zamosc Archives Project
Vancouver, Canada

WAGNER, SANG, NAGLER, FISCHER (FISZER), HELMAN Zaleshchiki, Borszczow:
(Galicia-->
Poland-->Ukraine), New York City, Israel
WAGNER, ADLER, EDER Jezierzany, Grabowce, Pilatkowce, Czarnokonce and
Losiacz:
(Galicia--> Poland-->Ukraine)
STEINBERG, GLAZER, HUDES Hrubieszow, Lublin, Uchanie (Poland), Montreal,
California,
Iowa
GRANIRER (GRANIERER), SALCMAN, ARONOWICZ, KRONENFELD, FUHRMAN,
GOLDSCMIDT, SANDLER Czernowitz, Israel


JRI Poland #Poland Correction: Russian Translation needed not Polish translation #poland

m.steinberg@...
 

With regard to my last post reproduced below, I would like to correct myself,
I need a Russian Translation not a Polish Translation.

I wish to thank everyone who pointed out to me my mistake and I apologize
for any inconvenience.


[snip]

[I need a **Russian** translation of my] family members' marriage record
which is in regard to Lejb Mandelzas-Sarga and Chaia
Ruchla Janowska >from 1892, Radom, Poland, which can be found at:


http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4647


Thank you in advance.

Please respond to me privately at: m.steinberg@utoronto.ca


All the best,
Moshe Steinberg,
Uchanie Town Leader, Zamosc Archives Project
Vancouver, Canada

WAGNER, SANG, NAGLER, FISCHER (FISZER), HELMAN Zaleshchiki, Borszczow:
(Galicia-->
Poland-->Ukraine), New York City, Israel
WAGNER, ADLER, EDER Jezierzany, Grabowce, Pilatkowce, Czarnokonce and
Losiacz:
(Galicia--> Poland-->Ukraine)
STEINBERG, GLAZER, HUDES Hrubieszow, Lublin, Uchanie (Poland), Montreal,
California,
Iowa
GRANIRER (GRANIERER), SALCMAN, ARONOWICZ, KRONENFELD, FUHRMAN,
GOLDSCMIDT, SANDLER Czernowitz, Israel


Re: Mother and daughter with same first name? #poland

BARBARU@...
 

Is it possible that the daughter is named, not after the mother, but after a
deceased relative on the father's side of the family?


Barbara Adelman Seidman, New Jersey, USA
searching for: ADELMAN/EDELMAN/EIDELMANN, KOHEN/COHEN Korsun/Kiev,
Russia/Ukraine,Syracuse New York, New York City
NUSBAUM/GERZBERG/HERZBERG/WERTHEIM Miedzyrzec/Seidlce/Warszawa,
Poland/Russia,New York City
KOHEN/COHEN/KOGEN Medzhibozh/Podalia,Russia/Ukraine,New York City


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Mother and daughter with same first name? #poland

BARBARU@...
 

Is it possible that the daughter is named, not after the mother, but after a
deceased relative on the father's side of the family?


Barbara Adelman Seidman, New Jersey, USA
searching for: ADELMAN/EDELMAN/EIDELMANN, KOHEN/COHEN Korsun/Kiev,
Russia/Ukraine,Syracuse New York, New York City
NUSBAUM/GERZBERG/HERZBERG/WERTHEIM Miedzyrzec/Seidlce/Warszawa,
Poland/Russia,New York City
KOHEN/COHEN/KOGEN Medzhibozh/Podalia,Russia/Ukraine,New York City


Re: gersig digest: August 25, 2004 #germany

mark
 

shalom to everybody I am searching
WAJSENBERG >from Poland
BRANDWAJN >from Ostrog Zdolbunow Korosten
BEJZMAN lived in Novograd Volhynskij

Wajsenberg Mark Israel mark306@bezeqint.net

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German SIG #Germany Re: gersig digest: August 25, 2004 #germany

mark
 

shalom to everybody I am searching
WAJSENBERG >from Poland
BRANDWAJN >from Ostrog Zdolbunow Korosten
BEJZMAN lived in Novograd Volhynskij

Wajsenberg Mark Israel mark306@bezeqint.net

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