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Viewmate # 6536: Need help with short Hebrew translation #general

Roy Ogus
 

I would appreciate any help to translate a short extract in Hebrew >from an
old Russian/Hebrew prayer book. The image of the Hebrew excerpt can be
found at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6536

This image is the Hebrew counterpart of the Russian image at VM 6515.

Please respond privately.

Thanks for any help,

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California, USA
r_ogus@hotmail.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate # 6536: Need help with short Hebrew translation #general

Roy Ogus
 

I would appreciate any help to translate a short extract in Hebrew >from an
old Russian/Hebrew prayer book. The image of the Hebrew excerpt can be
found at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6536

This image is the Hebrew counterpart of the Russian image at VM 6515.

Please respond privately.

Thanks for any help,

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California, USA
r_ogus@hotmail.com
Re: Proof of Inheritance #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

Hi Steve -

I think you should look for their probate files,
and possibly that of your wife's father. You
can find information on how to order them at
this website
https://www.myfloridacounty.com/ and click on
the link for "Order Official Records"

If their county is included there, you might be
able to order the documents on line.

The Social Security administration
might be able to help you if they have any
documents showing there were no children, but
I don't think they keep the records longer than
5 years after a person dies.

Maybe they would accept something like
an affidavit >from their Rabbi if the belonged
to the same synagogue for a number of years?
Their lawyer?

Lisa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Orlen" <sorlen@email.arizona.edu>
Dear Cousins,

My wife has received notice >from the German government that she in line for
some sort of money because her grandfather lived in Germany (before the
war). They asked for proof of inheritance, something indicating that she is
a sole survivor in her grandfather's line. Her uncle and his wife died in
Florida, childless. She has no siblings. Her father is dead.

On what sort of document would I find that her uncle and aunt had no children?

Best, Steve Orlen
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Proof of Inheritance #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

Hi Steve -

I think you should look for their probate files,
and possibly that of your wife's father. You
can find information on how to order them at
this website
https://www.myfloridacounty.com/ and click on
the link for "Order Official Records"

If their county is included there, you might be
able to order the documents on line.

The Social Security administration
might be able to help you if they have any
documents showing there were no children, but
I don't think they keep the records longer than
5 years after a person dies.

Maybe they would accept something like
an affidavit >from their Rabbi if the belonged
to the same synagogue for a number of years?
Their lawyer?

Lisa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Orlen" <sorlen@email.arizona.edu>
Dear Cousins,

My wife has received notice >from the German government that she in line for
some sort of money because her grandfather lived in Germany (before the
war). They asked for proof of inheritance, something indicating that she is
a sole survivor in her grandfather's line. Her uncle and his wife died in
Florida, childless. She has no siblings. Her father is dead.

On what sort of document would I find that her uncle and aunt had no children?

Best, Steve Orlen
lithuania info #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

The information you mention is >from tax and voter lists. Unfortunately,
that is the only information recorded on the tax and voter lists. KRA
denotes the original record is in the Kaunas Regional Archive. Using the
records >from KRA/I-49/1?17526 as a base, the archives may be able to find
a revision list for that same individual. Revision lists contain far more
information.

See the FAQ's linked >from the LitvakSIG homepage at
http://www.jewishgen.org/litvak/faqs.htm
for instructions on contacting the archives.

Howard Margol
homargol@aol.com

<<From: "ben.forman" <ben.forman@btconnect.com>
Thanks to those of you who responded to my email below who
have informed me of the common relationship between the
name Elihaya and Eliash, what I would like know is would
the record associated with KRA/I-49/1/17526 have any
further information on it other than that given in the
results table >from the tax and voter list e.g. the names
of the other male and 3 females who are also referenced.
If there is further information available who can I
contact to get it?>>
Elias(h)/Eliyahu connection #lithuania

Eric Smith
 

Ben Forman queried the connection between Eliash and Elihaya
My late GM was Samuel Aaron Claff and his father was known as Rev Elias
Claff >from Shavli

His Hebrew name was Eliyahu as my brother was named after him
Hope this helps

Eric Smith

Researching CLAFF (Siauliai/Shavl, Lithuania)
SHMARIS (Skoudos, Lithuania)
ABELOVITCH (Russia)
BLUMENTHAL (Frankfurt-am-Main)
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania lithuania info #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

The information you mention is >from tax and voter lists. Unfortunately,
that is the only information recorded on the tax and voter lists. KRA
denotes the original record is in the Kaunas Regional Archive. Using the
records >from KRA/I-49/1?17526 as a base, the archives may be able to find
a revision list for that same individual. Revision lists contain far more
information.

See the FAQ's linked >from the LitvakSIG homepage at
http://www.jewishgen.org/litvak/faqs.htm
for instructions on contacting the archives.

Howard Margol
homargol@aol.com

<<From: "ben.forman" <ben.forman@btconnect.com>
Thanks to those of you who responded to my email below who
have informed me of the common relationship between the
name Elihaya and Eliash, what I would like know is would
the record associated with KRA/I-49/1/17526 have any
further information on it other than that given in the
results table >from the tax and voter list e.g. the names
of the other male and 3 females who are also referenced.
If there is further information available who can I
contact to get it?>>
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Elias(h)/Eliyahu connection #lithuania

Eric Smith
 

Ben Forman queried the connection between Eliash and Elihaya
My late GM was Samuel Aaron Claff and his father was known as Rev Elias
Claff >from Shavli

His Hebrew name was Eliyahu as my brother was named after him
Hope this helps

Eric Smith

Researching CLAFF (Siauliai/Shavl, Lithuania)
SHMARIS (Skoudos, Lithuania)
ABELOVITCH (Russia)
BLUMENTHAL (Frankfurt-am-Main)
Polish translation request(2) #poland

Marc D. Machtinger <marc@...>
 

Dear fellow researchers:

I would greatly appreciate any assistance in translating the following
document posted on ViewMate (VM6534). The direct link to the document
is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6534

In accordance with our list guidelines, kindly reply to me directly at
marc@patentstation.com rather than to the list.

Here is what I know which might be helpful: I believe it is an 1853
Ciechanow death record for, according to the JRI-Poland index, Abram
BUCH.

In the index, the father is indicated as "Nuchim." Unfortunately,
the quality is not great, but I think it may be legible if you can read
the script. If I am right, I believe this is another ggg-grandfather of
mine. I would like to confirm if it mentions a wife "Dwojra," or if it
mentions any of his children. If so, I will be very interested to learn
anything else >from the document, like the name of Abram's mother or any
other information.

I thank anyone who attempts to assist me.

Marc D. Machtinger, Buffalo Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.
Email: marc@patentstation.com
JRI Poland #Poland Polish translation request(2) #poland

Marc D. Machtinger <marc@...>
 

Dear fellow researchers:

I would greatly appreciate any assistance in translating the following
document posted on ViewMate (VM6534). The direct link to the document
is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6534

In accordance with our list guidelines, kindly reply to me directly at
marc@patentstation.com rather than to the list.

Here is what I know which might be helpful: I believe it is an 1853
Ciechanow death record for, according to the JRI-Poland index, Abram
BUCH.

In the index, the father is indicated as "Nuchim." Unfortunately,
the quality is not great, but I think it may be legible if you can read
the script. If I am right, I believe this is another ggg-grandfather of
mine. I would like to confirm if it mentions a wife "Dwojra," or if it
mentions any of his children. If so, I will be very interested to learn
anything else >from the document, like the name of Abram's mother or any
other information.

I thank anyone who attempts to assist me.

Marc D. Machtinger, Buffalo Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.
Email: marc@patentstation.com
Re: Jewish or English? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

< hekenvin@bellsouth.net > wrote:

This message was posted on jewishgen:

"Tell me, would the Jews in England, whether they had been their for a couple of
centuries or not.....If they came to America, say in 1700's, would they have been
considered English or Jewish, as far as records were concerned or as far as their
descendents were concerned?"

The emigres would be considered English people of the Jewish faith.

Judaism is a religion. Some would say it is a culture or a way of life; but it
is not a nationality.
See this article
http://www.nhc.rtp.nc.us:8080/tserve/eighteen/ekeyinfo/midcol.htm on The
Middle Colonies as the Birthplace of American Religious Pluralism
by Prof Patricia U. Bonomi of New York State University.

It says that these colonies brought settlers >from the areas of Europe that
had been deeply disrupted by the Protestant Reformation.

Unlike England, the borders of these States would have been changed
continuously (I think) by these ructions.

I used to work on the ethnic minorities in London. There were successive
arrivals of Huegenots, Jews, Irish and now South Asians (of various
religions) (Indians, Pakistanis and Banglandeshis).

Some of these descriptions are religious (Jews and Huegenots - which only
came >from France).

Irish was prior to earlier in the last century a geographic location and not
a national location - of course, it was a euphemism for Catholic.

If we go back to the American situation, before 1871 Germany didn't exist
and probably most of the other European nation states didn't exist.

Given that the population of the American colonies were generally fleeing
religious persecution they were also likely to be thought of as belonging to
the religious community to which they belonged, much as the Jews would have
been.

Anyway the number of Jews in North America in the Eighteenth Century was
miniscule. They had only arrived back in England in 1656 after all - they
weren't going to be getting on the plane a generation later, as happens
today.

England was only united with Scotland under the British Crown in 1601.
Ireland was only included in 1801 (I think). So I suspect that the term
British was a political one which specifically referred to the Crown, the
Government or its agents, after all in those days many soldiers were
mercenaries anyway.

If we look at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British it says that it
refers to the Kingdom of Great Britain 1707 to 1801 and people >from there.

It also says that it refers to the people with allegiance to the British
Empire.

http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/OakViewES/harris/97-98/america/colonization/colonies-
middle/index.html
(a school website) specifically refers to the Quakers and the
Pennsylvania-Dutch, and Scotch-Irish settlements.

William Penn is described as a Quaker.

The Pilgrim Fathers were, after all, a branch of the Puritans.

I gather there were people who were actually banned >from Puritan colonies
(presumably because of their beliefs!).

The school website refers to both the British and English army. The
Americans are either Americans or patriots.

In this article about the Middle Colonies
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_059400_middlecoloni.htm
a list of the colonists includes Dutch Calvinists, Scandinavian Lutherans,
German Baptists, Swiss Pietists, Welsh Quakers, French Huguenots, Scots
Presbyterians - note the linkage of geographic area and religion.
--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)
Re: 2006 conference #general

Paul Goodman <p.goodman@...>
 

I was very pleased to see that the conference is ion August as for the first
time I can attend as the schools in England do not shut for the summer
until the end of July and reopen at the beginning of September.

Unfortunately it's not possible to suit everyone all the time.

Paul Goodman
Folkestone Kent England

researching: GOODMAN Poland London Liverpool ZEFFERTT Kolo, Kutno Poland,
England,S.Africa JOSEPH London HARINGMAN Holland, London.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish or English? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

< hekenvin@bellsouth.net > wrote:

This message was posted on jewishgen:

"Tell me, would the Jews in England, whether they had been their for a couple of
centuries or not.....If they came to America, say in 1700's, would they have been
considered English or Jewish, as far as records were concerned or as far as their
descendents were concerned?"

The emigres would be considered English people of the Jewish faith.

Judaism is a religion. Some would say it is a culture or a way of life; but it
is not a nationality.
See this article
http://www.nhc.rtp.nc.us:8080/tserve/eighteen/ekeyinfo/midcol.htm on The
Middle Colonies as the Birthplace of American Religious Pluralism
by Prof Patricia U. Bonomi of New York State University.

It says that these colonies brought settlers >from the areas of Europe that
had been deeply disrupted by the Protestant Reformation.

Unlike England, the borders of these States would have been changed
continuously (I think) by these ructions.

I used to work on the ethnic minorities in London. There were successive
arrivals of Huegenots, Jews, Irish and now South Asians (of various
religions) (Indians, Pakistanis and Banglandeshis).

Some of these descriptions are religious (Jews and Huegenots - which only
came >from France).

Irish was prior to earlier in the last century a geographic location and not
a national location - of course, it was a euphemism for Catholic.

If we go back to the American situation, before 1871 Germany didn't exist
and probably most of the other European nation states didn't exist.

Given that the population of the American colonies were generally fleeing
religious persecution they were also likely to be thought of as belonging to
the religious community to which they belonged, much as the Jews would have
been.

Anyway the number of Jews in North America in the Eighteenth Century was
miniscule. They had only arrived back in England in 1656 after all - they
weren't going to be getting on the plane a generation later, as happens
today.

England was only united with Scotland under the British Crown in 1601.
Ireland was only included in 1801 (I think). So I suspect that the term
British was a political one which specifically referred to the Crown, the
Government or its agents, after all in those days many soldiers were
mercenaries anyway.

If we look at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British it says that it
refers to the Kingdom of Great Britain 1707 to 1801 and people >from there.

It also says that it refers to the people with allegiance to the British
Empire.

http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/OakViewES/harris/97-98/america/colonization/colonies-
middle/index.html
(a school website) specifically refers to the Quakers and the
Pennsylvania-Dutch, and Scotch-Irish settlements.

William Penn is described as a Quaker.

The Pilgrim Fathers were, after all, a branch of the Puritans.

I gather there were people who were actually banned >from Puritan colonies
(presumably because of their beliefs!).

The school website refers to both the British and English army. The
Americans are either Americans or patriots.

In this article about the Middle Colonies
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_059400_middlecoloni.htm
a list of the colonists includes Dutch Calvinists, Scandinavian Lutherans,
German Baptists, Swiss Pietists, Welsh Quakers, French Huguenots, Scots
Presbyterians - note the linkage of geographic area and religion.
--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 2006 conference #general

Paul Goodman <p.goodman@...>
 

I was very pleased to see that the conference is ion August as for the first
time I can attend as the schools in England do not shut for the summer
until the end of July and reopen at the beginning of September.

Unfortunately it's not possible to suit everyone all the time.

Paul Goodman
Folkestone Kent England

researching: GOODMAN Poland London Liverpool ZEFFERTT Kolo, Kutno Poland,
England,S.Africa JOSEPH London HARINGMAN Holland, London.
Polish translation request #poland

Marc D. Machtinger <marc@...>
 

Dear fellow researchers:

I would greatly appreciate any assistance in translating the following
document posted on ViewMate (VM6533). The direct link to the document
is: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6533

In accordance with our list guidelines, kindly reply to me directly at
marc@patentstation.com rather than to the list.

Here is what I know which might be helpful: I believe it is a death
record of an "Jciek" or "Ick" or "Iciek" PULTUSKIER. I believe this
individual was my ggg-grandfather. I would like to (a) confirm that it
is who I think it is, and (b) obtain any further information >from it.
If it is the right person, it might confirm that his children were
Szulim PULTUSKIER and Riwka PULTUSKIER (and perhaps list other siblings
of whom I am not aware), that his wife was "Laia," and that his father
was Moshe (like indicating his name as Moskowicz).

What I am hoping is to learn something more, like what was his wife
Laia's maiden name or her father's name, what was Jciek's mother's name,
where and when was he born, etc. (I am hoping to eventually determine
which ancestor may have been born in Pultusk).

I thank anyone who attempts to assist me.

Marc D. Machtinger, Buffalo Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.
Email: marc@patentstation.com
JRI Poland #Poland Polish translation request #poland

Marc D. Machtinger <marc@...>
 

Dear fellow researchers:

I would greatly appreciate any assistance in translating the following
document posted on ViewMate (VM6533). The direct link to the document
is: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6533

In accordance with our list guidelines, kindly reply to me directly at
marc@patentstation.com rather than to the list.

Here is what I know which might be helpful: I believe it is a death
record of an "Jciek" or "Ick" or "Iciek" PULTUSKIER. I believe this
individual was my ggg-grandfather. I would like to (a) confirm that it
is who I think it is, and (b) obtain any further information >from it.
If it is the right person, it might confirm that his children were
Szulim PULTUSKIER and Riwka PULTUSKIER (and perhaps list other siblings
of whom I am not aware), that his wife was "Laia," and that his father
was Moshe (like indicating his name as Moskowicz).

What I am hoping is to learn something more, like what was his wife
Laia's maiden name or her father's name, what was Jciek's mother's name,
where and when was he born, etc. (I am hoping to eventually determine
which ancestor may have been born in Pultusk).

I thank anyone who attempts to assist me.

Marc D. Machtinger, Buffalo Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.
Email: marc@patentstation.com
Great Mitzvah - Poland and Danzig Business Directory #poland

David Ferleger
 

What a wonderful thing - for you to have figured out how to do the
OCR with the phone /business directory.

For people who couldn't begin to know which type business to look
under, or town, it would be impossible to use the directory otherwise

Thanks

David Ferleger

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Once you have found family listings in the 1926-27
business directory, you can then make a more focused search for them
in the 1929 Polish Business Directory, whose images are linked from
the JRI-Poland home page at www.jri-poland.org
JRI Poland #Poland Great Mitzvah - Poland and Danzig Business Directory #poland

David Ferleger
 

What a wonderful thing - for you to have figured out how to do the
OCR with the phone /business directory.

For people who couldn't begin to know which type business to look
under, or town, it would be impossible to use the directory otherwise

Thanks

David Ferleger

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Once you have found family listings in the 1926-27
business directory, you can then make a more focused search for them
in the 1929 Polish Business Directory, whose images are linked from
the JRI-Poland home page at www.jri-poland.org
1926-7 Polish Business Directory-Versus the 1929 Polish B.D. #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

I believe that Logan Kleinwachs should be
congratulated for the tremendous effort by making this
directory available to us.

Though smaller than the 1929 Polish Business Directory
it enables an interesting comparison of the businesses
in every location in amatter of 3 years.

I myself research the KOENIGSBUCH family >from Brzesko
(image 209 in the Directory) and managed to locate
Koenigsbuchs in the 1926 version who were not there
anymore in 1929 and vice versa.Now I have the
questions which will lead me hopefully to some
answers.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem
JRI Poland #Poland 1926-7 Polish Business Directory-Versus the 1929 Polish B.D. #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

I believe that Logan Kleinwachs should be
congratulated for the tremendous effort by making this
directory available to us.

Though smaller than the 1929 Polish Business Directory
it enables an interesting comparison of the businesses
in every location in amatter of 3 years.

I myself research the KOENIGSBUCH family >from Brzesko
(image 209 in the Directory) and managed to locate
Koenigsbuchs in the 1926 version who were not there
anymore in 1929 and vice versa.Now I have the
questions which will lead me hopefully to some
answers.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem
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