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Re: education of immigrants #lithuania

Debra Price <dsprice@...>
 

A petite 14-year-old Jewish girl >from a small Lithuanian shtetl immigrates
to the United States in 1921. She doesn't speak a word of English--only
Yiddish. She lives with her uncle and aunt (both of whom immigrated much
earlier) in a town in Massachusetts. They enter the girl into the local
public school. How would the school handle the girl's education? Would they
place her in the grade where most 14-year-olds are, or in kindergarten,
elementary school or what?
Here is what happened with my mother, who arrived in the US >from Poland in
1928 at the age of 15. At that time, the school year was divided into two
semesters, A and B. My mother was placed in grade 6A, then skipped 6B and
went straight to 7A, then again skipped 7B and went straight to 8A.

Debra Price
Plainview, NY


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: education of immigrants #lithuania

Debra Price <dsprice@...>
 

A petite 14-year-old Jewish girl >from a small Lithuanian shtetl immigrates
to the United States in 1921. She doesn't speak a word of English--only
Yiddish. She lives with her uncle and aunt (both of whom immigrated much
earlier) in a town in Massachusetts. They enter the girl into the local
public school. How would the school handle the girl's education? Would they
place her in the grade where most 14-year-olds are, or in kindergarten,
elementary school or what?
Here is what happened with my mother, who arrived in the US >from Poland in
1928 at the age of 15. At that time, the school year was divided into two
semesters, A and B. My mother was placed in grade 6A, then skipped 6B and
went straight to 7A, then again skipped 7B and went straight to 8A.

Debra Price
Plainview, NY


Re: Education of immigrants #lithuania

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

Can anyone venture an opinion based on the known experience of an
ancestor?
<...>
How would the school handle the girl's education? Would they
place her in the grade where most 14-year-olds are, or in
kindergarten,
elementary school or what?
Olga, times are still the same. A lot of immigrants come to Israel
with no knowledge of the language. Children go to school and they get
extra language help.

You should read a few of the accounts of the immigrants themselves to
the USA. I recall the very amusing The Education of H*Y*M*A*N
K*AP*L*A*N; there is the book The Rise of David Levinsky by Avraham
Cahan; there are many, many books, articles and memoires on the
education of the immigrants in those days to the USA. One of the
more scholarly ones is Rishin's The Promised City. Anything by Oscar
Handlin always makes interesting reading. Check your nearest library.

Martha Lev-Zion
President, IGS-Negev


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania re: Education of immigrants #lithuania

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

Can anyone venture an opinion based on the known experience of an
ancestor?
<...>
How would the school handle the girl's education? Would they
place her in the grade where most 14-year-olds are, or in
kindergarten,
elementary school or what?
Olga, times are still the same. A lot of immigrants come to Israel
with no knowledge of the language. Children go to school and they get
extra language help.

You should read a few of the accounts of the immigrants themselves to
the USA. I recall the very amusing The Education of H*Y*M*A*N
K*AP*L*A*N; there is the book The Rise of David Levinsky by Avraham
Cahan; there are many, many books, articles and memoires on the
education of the immigrants in those days to the USA. One of the
more scholarly ones is Rishin's The Promised City. Anything by Oscar
Handlin always makes interesting reading. Check your nearest library.

Martha Lev-Zion
President, IGS-Negev


Searching: KANTOR family (part two) - Vilna #lithuania

Michael Trapunsky <trapunsky@...>
 

Hi all,

I am trying to find KANTOR relatives who originally came >from Vilna and the
surrounding areas in Lithuania.

My great great great grandparents, Eliyahu (b 1818) and Faige (b 1821) KANTOR
lived in Paberze, Lithuania. They had the following children:

1- Mariashe KANTOR - Married Zalman SAPERSTEIN and had Nachum and Moshe.

2- Shaina Tziviya KANTOR - Married Aharon SHTAIN and had Kayla, Bella
Gutta, Abba Yoseph, Mairiase and Meir Leib.

3- Margola KANTOR - Married Avraham YEDIDE and had Yitzchak, Shaindel,
Yakov Hertz and Clara. I believe that Clara may have moved to the States or
England. Her children were Saul, Irving David and Eli (last name unknown).

4- Sarah KANTOR - Married Yehuda YESHIA and had Chana Kayla, Shaina, Golda
and Pesil.

5- Eliakum Shimon KANTOR - Married Rivka and had Leizer, Avraham, Eide,
Leah, Esther Sarah, Zalman, and Reuven.

6- Yitzchak KANTOR - I know nothing about him.

7- Shmuel KANTOR - I know nothing about him.

8- Miriam KANTOR - I know nothing about her.

9- Chana Hinde KANTOR (1845-1925) - Married David SHER. They were my great
great grandparents. They had Malka, Golda, Yakov Reuven, Mairiase, Shmuel
Hertz, and Eliakum Gavriel (1883-1938).

If anyone knows anything about these families I would really appreciate
hearing back >from you.

Thanks very much,

Michael Trapunsky
Queens, New York, USA
trapunsky@earthlink.net

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Searching: KANTOR family (part two) - Vilna #lithuania

Michael Trapunsky <trapunsky@...>
 

Hi all,

I am trying to find KANTOR relatives who originally came >from Vilna and the
surrounding areas in Lithuania.

My great great great grandparents, Eliyahu (b 1818) and Faige (b 1821) KANTOR
lived in Paberze, Lithuania. They had the following children:

1- Mariashe KANTOR - Married Zalman SAPERSTEIN and had Nachum and Moshe.

2- Shaina Tziviya KANTOR - Married Aharon SHTAIN and had Kayla, Bella
Gutta, Abba Yoseph, Mairiase and Meir Leib.

3- Margola KANTOR - Married Avraham YEDIDE and had Yitzchak, Shaindel,
Yakov Hertz and Clara. I believe that Clara may have moved to the States or
England. Her children were Saul, Irving David and Eli (last name unknown).

4- Sarah KANTOR - Married Yehuda YESHIA and had Chana Kayla, Shaina, Golda
and Pesil.

5- Eliakum Shimon KANTOR - Married Rivka and had Leizer, Avraham, Eide,
Leah, Esther Sarah, Zalman, and Reuven.

6- Yitzchak KANTOR - I know nothing about him.

7- Shmuel KANTOR - I know nothing about him.

8- Miriam KANTOR - I know nothing about her.

9- Chana Hinde KANTOR (1845-1925) - Married David SHER. They were my great
great grandparents. They had Malka, Golda, Yakov Reuven, Mairiase, Shmuel
Hertz, and Eliakum Gavriel (1883-1938).

If anyone knows anything about these families I would really appreciate
hearing back >from you.

Thanks very much,

Michael Trapunsky
Queens, New York, USA
trapunsky@earthlink.net

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Russian Translation - Marriage Record #poland

Ron Russ <rsruss@...>
 

Greetings,

I didn't know if anyone is willing to translate this record or not, but I
figured I'd post them and see. The ViewMate number is VM6853 and
the URL for ViewMate is http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.

The contents are supposed to be the marriage record of Pinkus Schneider
& Chana Nudelman and are in Russian. Please send responses privately to
rsruss@comcast.net

Thanks in advance.

Ron Russ
rsruss@comcast.net


JRI Poland #Poland Russian Translation - Marriage Record #poland

Ron Russ <rsruss@...>
 

Greetings,

I didn't know if anyone is willing to translate this record or not, but I
figured I'd post them and see. The ViewMate number is VM6853 and
the URL for ViewMate is http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.

The contents are supposed to be the marriage record of Pinkus Schneider
& Chana Nudelman and are in Russian. Please send responses privately to
rsruss@comcast.net

Thanks in advance.

Ron Russ
rsruss@comcast.net


A "Rabbi" who may not be a Rabbi #general

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

In reply to the query re Rabbi Zupnick:

I once had a boss in a real-estate office, a learned orthodox Jew , but not
a Rabbi-who had gone to the USA as a representative to an orthodox youth
movement. One day I noticed in a column which he wrote for the organization
that he signed his name Rabbi.....

When I asked him when he got ordination he told me the following: When he
was offered the position of a shaliach (emissary) for the youth organization
they asked him to "call" himself Rabbi for the prestige value. Not wanting
to mislead anyone he went to his own Rabbi( a well known Rosh Yeshiva in
Jerusalem) who told him that if it was understood by all that he was not a
halachic authority and it was for a short specific time he would say its ok
for him to known as "Rabbi"

I bring this case in to show that there may be even written "evidence" that
a peron is a Rabbi but that the evidence should be checked before using it
as definite proof.

On the other hand there are and were many very learned people in communities
that never went on for actual ordination/smicha who are much more
knowledgeable on Jewish tradition than many ordained Rabbis.


Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A "Rabbi" who may not be a Rabbi #general

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

In reply to the query re Rabbi Zupnick:

I once had a boss in a real-estate office, a learned orthodox Jew , but not
a Rabbi-who had gone to the USA as a representative to an orthodox youth
movement. One day I noticed in a column which he wrote for the organization
that he signed his name Rabbi.....

When I asked him when he got ordination he told me the following: When he
was offered the position of a shaliach (emissary) for the youth organization
they asked him to "call" himself Rabbi for the prestige value. Not wanting
to mislead anyone he went to his own Rabbi( a well known Rosh Yeshiva in
Jerusalem) who told him that if it was understood by all that he was not a
halachic authority and it was for a short specific time he would say its ok
for him to known as "Rabbi"

I bring this case in to show that there may be even written "evidence" that
a peron is a Rabbi but that the evidence should be checked before using it
as definite proof.

On the other hand there are and were many very learned people in communities
that never went on for actual ordination/smicha who are much more
knowledgeable on Jewish tradition than many ordained Rabbis.


Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


Polish translations from Viewmate, please #poland

tamar.amit@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I would be very grateful if someone would take a look at the following
records:

1851 birth record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the birth of GEWERCMAN Wolf.
The ViewMate file is VM6836, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6836

1839 birth record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the birth of GEWERCMAN Lejzer-Hersch.
The ViewMate file is VM6837, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6837

1864 marriage record record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the marriage of Moshe GEWIRCMAN and Frieda-Mirla
Bronfenbrener
The ViewMate file is VM6841, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6841


1864 marriage record record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the marriage of Hirsch GEWIRCMAN and Matla WISMAN.
The ViewMate file is VM6842, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6842

1858 marriage record record >from Izbica, Poland.
It should be the marriage of Baruch GEWIRCMAN and Rivka TEPIK.
The ViewMate file is VM6843, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6843

I would like to know the details in the records especially names and
places (as well as exact dates), but I would also like to obtain the
other details in the record.

Any help is appreciated.

I can provide a higher resolution image if helpful.

Kindly reply to me privately at tamar.amit@gmail.com Thank you.

Tamar Amit, Israel.


JRI Poland #Poland Polish translations from Viewmate, please #poland

tamar.amit@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I would be very grateful if someone would take a look at the following
records:

1851 birth record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the birth of GEWERCMAN Wolf.
The ViewMate file is VM6836, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6836

1839 birth record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the birth of GEWERCMAN Lejzer-Hersch.
The ViewMate file is VM6837, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6837

1864 marriage record record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the marriage of Moshe GEWIRCMAN and Frieda-Mirla
Bronfenbrener
The ViewMate file is VM6841, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6841


1864 marriage record record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the marriage of Hirsch GEWIRCMAN and Matla WISMAN.
The ViewMate file is VM6842, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6842

1858 marriage record record >from Izbica, Poland.
It should be the marriage of Baruch GEWIRCMAN and Rivka TEPIK.
The ViewMate file is VM6843, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6843

I would like to know the details in the records especially names and
places (as well as exact dates), but I would also like to obtain the
other details in the record.

Any help is appreciated.

I can provide a higher resolution image if helpful.

Kindly reply to me privately at tamar.amit@gmail.com Thank you.

Tamar Amit, Israel.


Re: Variant spellings of town names #poland

Fbussgang@...
 

No one seems to have mentioned Where Once We Walked, which gives
variants of hundreds of town names in Eastern Europe.

Fay Bussgang
Lexington, MA


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Variant spellings of town names #poland

Fbussgang@...
 

No one seems to have mentioned Where Once We Walked, which gives
variants of hundreds of town names in Eastern Europe.

Fay Bussgang
Lexington, MA


Ketuba translation - ViewMate 6831 #general

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Hi all -

I would greatly appreciate some assistance with a Ketuba, which is on
Viewmate at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6831

I'd like to know the date, the officiating Minister and the witnesses.

But the most important information I'm after is the Hebrew name of the
Bride's father.

The ketuba is for the marriage of my aunt Emma NOWAK to Johann KRUMM.
His name I know to be Abraham ben Abraham (he was a convert),
but her name is Malche/Malke bat ?

I was told that her father (my grandfather) was named Aaron, but have also
been told that it was Yosef. Given that his civil name was Oskar, the former
seems more likely. Since this Ketuba is the only document I have which gives
Oskar Nowak's Hebrew name, it's important to me.

Suggestions please? Please respond privately.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au


Read the New York Hebrew Orphan Asylum Alumni Newsletter Online. #general

Eric@EricMarks <eric@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners -

If your research takes you back to New York's Hebrew Orphan Asylum, there's
an exceptionally helpful Web site that displays the current text and photos
of "Rising Bell," the HOA alumni newsletter.

The site is at www.risingbell.info, and well worth the visit. It currently
displays the March, 2005 and the May, 2005 Rising Bell issues. The
newsletter is full of recollections, names, events, photos and drawings.

More information is available >from the site's Webmaster, at
info@rinsingbell.info.


Eric Marks
Holland Township, New Jersey


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ketuba translation - ViewMate 6831 #general

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Hi all -

I would greatly appreciate some assistance with a Ketuba, which is on
Viewmate at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6831

I'd like to know the date, the officiating Minister and the witnesses.

But the most important information I'm after is the Hebrew name of the
Bride's father.

The ketuba is for the marriage of my aunt Emma NOWAK to Johann KRUMM.
His name I know to be Abraham ben Abraham (he was a convert),
but her name is Malche/Malke bat ?

I was told that her father (my grandfather) was named Aaron, but have also
been told that it was Yosef. Given that his civil name was Oskar, the former
seems more likely. Since this Ketuba is the only document I have which gives
Oskar Nowak's Hebrew name, it's important to me.

Suggestions please? Please respond privately.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Read the New York Hebrew Orphan Asylum Alumni Newsletter Online. #general

Eric@EricMarks <eric@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners -

If your research takes you back to New York's Hebrew Orphan Asylum, there's
an exceptionally helpful Web site that displays the current text and photos
of "Rising Bell," the HOA alumni newsletter.

The site is at www.risingbell.info, and well worth the visit. It currently
displays the March, 2005 and the May, 2005 Rising Bell issues. The
newsletter is full of recollections, names, events, photos and drawings.

More information is available >from the site's Webmaster, at
info@rinsingbell.info.


Eric Marks
Holland Township, New Jersey


JGS Sacramento September 19th meeting - Memoirs of Baghdad #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

JGS Sacramento meeting

"Memoirs of Baghdad"
September 19, 7 p.m.
Albert Einstein Residence Center
1935 Wright St., Sacramento, CA

Daniel Khazzoom’s family can be traced back more than
600 years in Baghdad. He will discuss this rich
heritage at the Jewish Genealogy Society Sacramento's
September meeting. Dr. Khazzoom will share
recollections of the life of the Baghdad Jewish
community, including pictures of Jewish sites and
ceremonial objects dating back hundreds of years.

The Baghdad Jews are not Ashkenazim (Jews from
Northern and Eastern Europe) or Sephardim (descendants
of Spanish and Portuguese Jews) but part of a third
major branch of Judaism, the Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern
Jews).

Dr. Khazzoom, who grew up in Baghdad, earned a Ph.D.
in mathematical economics >from Harvard and has taught
at UC Berkeley, Stanford, San Jose State and several
major universities on the east coast.

Join us for a personal look at Baghdad when Dr. Daniel
Khazzoom joins us at our September 19 meeting.

For more information about the Jewish Genealogical
Society of Sacramento, visit
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-sacramento/, e-mail the
JGSS at jgs_sacramento@yahoo.com or leave a message at
916-486-0906 ext. 361.

Bob Wascou


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Sacramento September 19th meeting - Memoirs of Baghdad #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

JGS Sacramento meeting

"Memoirs of Baghdad"
September 19, 7 p.m.
Albert Einstein Residence Center
1935 Wright St., Sacramento, CA

Daniel Khazzoom’s family can be traced back more than
600 years in Baghdad. He will discuss this rich
heritage at the Jewish Genealogy Society Sacramento's
September meeting. Dr. Khazzoom will share
recollections of the life of the Baghdad Jewish
community, including pictures of Jewish sites and
ceremonial objects dating back hundreds of years.

The Baghdad Jews are not Ashkenazim (Jews from
Northern and Eastern Europe) or Sephardim (descendants
of Spanish and Portuguese Jews) but part of a third
major branch of Judaism, the Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern
Jews).

Dr. Khazzoom, who grew up in Baghdad, earned a Ph.D.
in mathematical economics >from Harvard and has taught
at UC Berkeley, Stanford, San Jose State and several
major universities on the east coast.

Join us for a personal look at Baghdad when Dr. Daniel
Khazzoom joins us at our September 19 meeting.

For more information about the Jewish Genealogical
Society of Sacramento, visit
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-sacramento/, e-mail the
JGSS at jgs_sacramento@yahoo.com or leave a message at
916-486-0906 ext. 361.

Bob Wascou