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Re: Hungarian Jewish Survivors listed in a Hungarian Periodical #hungary

tom
 

for what it's worth, i had no difficulty finding gabor hirsch in the database. he is listed as

"HIRSCH, Ga'bor, year of birth 1929, place of birth Be'kescaba, located Szluck, page 53"

note that the page number is different than that provided by gabor, and the results don't seem to be sorted in the (logical) order by given name, so he is way down on the third page. i am also puzzled that the place of birth is misspelled slightly, with the accent missing >from the second e. that's probably why searching by town fails to find his record, but finds 42 others that are spelled correctly. (or it could be a technical flaw in the database.)

the only trick that i used was to select "name is exactly" rather than using the soundex. as gabor has pointed out, d-m soundex returns some rather strange "matches" that don't seem logical for hungarian orthography (in his example, the equivalence of h, g and k are common in russian, and that of sch and sz are based on polish). the soundex technique intentionally ignores vowels and groups certain consonants as interchangeable, in order to mimic the "drift" of regional pronunciations. a hungarian adaptation might be more helpful. for those who are interested, i vaguely recall seeing some documentation of the internals of d-m soundex on the jewishgen web site.

in this case, searching by town name "starts with" is better than using "is exactly". (the opposite of searching by name.) and also remember that searching by town (e.g. "szluck") will *not* find this record, because "szluck" isn't actually in the town field itself. (searching by "any field" will find it - along with 833 others!)


....... tom klein, toronto

=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22G=E1bor_Hirsch=22?= <g_hirsch@...> wrote:

My experience with searching in the Jewishgen database.

As there were several Hungarian periodicals at that time - including Jewish - I would
prefer naming the sources explicitly.

On your recommendation of the Moderator, I visited the source, may be as an elderly person, I got more difficulties. As I knew, my name is listed, (in the Hirek ... Nr. 3 August 14 1945, Szluzk pp 12), so I entered Hirsch, after I logged in I found the following information:

Searching for Surname Hirsch
(D-M code 594000)
Number of hits: 508
Run on Saturday 8 March 2008 at 06:38:33

First, I had difficulties several time to go behind the first 50 names, is it because the server is to busy and I was able to browse all the 508 names at 8 am Swiss time around 3 am in NY, I have no idea, but >from the indicated 508 Hirsch, there were only 33 Hirsch, the rest was Grosz, Krausz, Kertesz something I can't explain.

No I tried also my Hometown, Bekescsaba, this time I had more success I found 45 people >from my hometown, but somehow my name was missing even when I tried "sounds alike". I have no idea what did I wrong!

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch
Switzerland


The Life and Times of Ellen & Jacob Cohen: 1871-1950 (Lithuania/Pennsylvania) #general

Judith27
 

Dear JewishGendom,

The LitvakSIG Online Journal is pleased to announce the e-publication of "The
Life and Times of Ellen and Jacob Cohen: 1871-1950" by Marvin L. Simner, Ph.D.
Ellen Slasovitch Cohen was born in 1871 in Veisiejai, Lithuania, and her
husband Jacob Cohen was born in 1871 in Vilnius. In the 1890s, they emigrated to
America, where "Between the time of his arrival in 1896 and his death in 1940,
Jacob served as chazzan, mohel, and/or schochet in at least five synagogues."
Mr. Cohen's first American appointment was in Plymouth, PA. He also worked in
Shamokin, PA, Lynchburg, VA, Charleston, SC, and Scranton, PA. This article
delves into Jewish life both in Veisiejai, Lithuania, as well as in various
places in Pennsylvania and Virginia.
To read this new article, please visit

http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/HTML/OnlineJournals/lifeandtimes_cohen5.htm

And to read the wealth of additional articles available to you via the
LitvakSIG Online Journal, including "What's in a Name? The Problem of Name Changes
in the Search for Family Roots," "Memorials for Lithuania Shtetls in Cholon,
Israel," "Another Surinamer Surfaces," "Box-Tax Paperwork Records" and more,
please consult the Table of Contents at

http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/HTML/OnlineJournals/Journal.htm

Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Editor, LitvakSIG Online Journal


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Re: Hungarian Jewish Survivors listed in a Hungarian Periodical #hungary

tom
 

for what it's worth, i had no difficulty finding gabor hirsch in the database. he is listed as

"HIRSCH, Ga'bor, year of birth 1929, place of birth Be'kescaba, located Szluck, page 53"

note that the page number is different than that provided by gabor, and the results don't seem to be sorted in the (logical) order by given name, so he is way down on the third page. i am also puzzled that the place of birth is misspelled slightly, with the accent missing >from the second e. that's probably why searching by town fails to find his record, but finds 42 others that are spelled correctly. (or it could be a technical flaw in the database.)

the only trick that i used was to select "name is exactly" rather than using the soundex. as gabor has pointed out, d-m soundex returns some rather strange "matches" that don't seem logical for hungarian orthography (in his example, the equivalence of h, g and k are common in russian, and that of sch and sz are based on polish). the soundex technique intentionally ignores vowels and groups certain consonants as interchangeable, in order to mimic the "drift" of regional pronunciations. a hungarian adaptation might be more helpful. for those who are interested, i vaguely recall seeing some documentation of the internals of d-m soundex on the jewishgen web site.

in this case, searching by town name "starts with" is better than using "is exactly". (the opposite of searching by name.) and also remember that searching by town (e.g. "szluck") will *not* find this record, because "szluck" isn't actually in the town field itself. (searching by "any field" will find it - along with 833 others!)


....... tom klein, toronto

=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22G=E1bor_Hirsch=22?= <g_hirsch@...> wrote:

My experience with searching in the Jewishgen database.

As there were several Hungarian periodicals at that time - including Jewish - I would
prefer naming the sources explicitly.

On your recommendation of the Moderator, I visited the source, may be as an elderly person, I got more difficulties. As I knew, my name is listed, (in the Hirek ... Nr. 3 August 14 1945, Szluzk pp 12), so I entered Hirsch, after I logged in I found the following information:

Searching for Surname Hirsch
(D-M code 594000)
Number of hits: 508
Run on Saturday 8 March 2008 at 06:38:33

First, I had difficulties several time to go behind the first 50 names, is it because the server is to busy and I was able to browse all the 508 names at 8 am Swiss time around 3 am in NY, I have no idea, but >from the indicated 508 Hirsch, there were only 33 Hirsch, the rest was Grosz, Krausz, Kertesz something I can't explain.

No I tried also my Hometown, Bekescsaba, this time I had more success I found 45 people >from my hometown, but somehow my name was missing even when I tried "sounds alike". I have no idea what did I wrong!

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch
Switzerland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Life and Times of Ellen & Jacob Cohen: 1871-1950 (Lithuania/Pennsylvania) #general

Judith27
 

Dear JewishGendom,

The LitvakSIG Online Journal is pleased to announce the e-publication of "The
Life and Times of Ellen and Jacob Cohen: 1871-1950" by Marvin L. Simner, Ph.D.
Ellen Slasovitch Cohen was born in 1871 in Veisiejai, Lithuania, and her
husband Jacob Cohen was born in 1871 in Vilnius. In the 1890s, they emigrated to
America, where "Between the time of his arrival in 1896 and his death in 1940,
Jacob served as chazzan, mohel, and/or schochet in at least five synagogues."
Mr. Cohen's first American appointment was in Plymouth, PA. He also worked in
Shamokin, PA, Lynchburg, VA, Charleston, SC, and Scranton, PA. This article
delves into Jewish life both in Veisiejai, Lithuania, as well as in various
places in Pennsylvania and Virginia.
To read this new article, please visit

http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/HTML/OnlineJournals/lifeandtimes_cohen5.htm

And to read the wealth of additional articles available to you via the
LitvakSIG Online Journal, including "What's in a Name? The Problem of Name Changes
in the Search for Family Roots," "Memorials for Lithuania Shtetls in Cholon,
Israel," "Another Surinamer Surfaces," "Box-Tax Paperwork Records" and more,
please consult the Table of Contents at

http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/HTML/OnlineJournals/Journal.htm

Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Editor, LitvakSIG Online Journal


CD of cemetery project in Poland: Czestochowa, Kromolow, Prushkow #general

Neiel and Joan Baronberg <njbaron@...>
 

I have a CD of a remarkable project of Israeli high school students cleaning
cemeteries in Czestchoma, Kromolow, and Prushkow, Poland. They are working
together with Polish high school students to clear, clean, lift, repair, and
document these cemeteries and the stones. The CD shows the cemeteries and
some stones.

You can also read about this project of the Reut School in Jerusalem at
http://www.gidonim.com/English/

Joan Baronberg. Denver, CO
Suchastow, Slobodka bei Strusov, Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen CD of cemetery project in Poland: Czestochowa, Kromolow, Prushkow #general

Neiel and Joan Baronberg <njbaron@...>
 

I have a CD of a remarkable project of Israeli high school students cleaning
cemeteries in Czestchoma, Kromolow, and Prushkow, Poland. They are working
together with Polish high school students to clear, clean, lift, repair, and
document these cemeteries and the stones. The CD shows the cemeteries and
some stones.

You can also read about this project of the Reut School in Jerusalem at
http://www.gidonim.com/English/

Joan Baronberg. Denver, CO
Suchastow, Slobodka bei Strusov, Ukraine


Re: Bialystok, late 19th century #poland

bartmant@charter.net <bartmant@...>
 

Generally I agree that Pogroms or fears for physical security would likely
not have been the major factor in emigration >from the Bialystok area in
the 1880's and 1890's. I think economic factors were far more important;
the promise of America, the word of which had gotten out. At this time
Pogroms and fears for physical security may have been more of a factor
in other parts of the Pale where there had been more violence. News of
these calamities did reach Bialystok and may have had some effect, but
it was not until after the 1905 and 1906 pogroms in Bialystok that I
think physical security became more a factor in Jewish people in the area
choosing emigration.

Tilford Bartman


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland RE: Bialystok, late 19th century #poland

bartmant@charter.net <bartmant@...>
 

Generally I agree that Pogroms or fears for physical security would likely
not have been the major factor in emigration >from the Bialystok area in
the 1880's and 1890's. I think economic factors were far more important;
the promise of America, the word of which had gotten out. At this time
Pogroms and fears for physical security may have been more of a factor
in other parts of the Pale where there had been more violence. News of
these calamities did reach Bialystok and may have had some effect, but
it was not until after the 1905 and 1906 pogroms in Bialystok that I
think physical security became more a factor in Jewish people in the area
choosing emigration.

Tilford Bartman


The Life and Times of Ellen & Jacob Cohen: 1871-1950 (Lithuania/Pennsylvania) #lithuania

Judith27
 

Dear LitvakSIGdom,

Your LitvakSIG Online Journal is pleased to announce the e-publication of
"The Life and Times of Ellen and Jacob Cohen: 1871-1950" by Marvin L.
Simner, Ph.D.

Ellen Slasovitch Cohen was born in 1871 in Veisiejai, Lithuania, and her
husband Jacob Cohen was born in 1871 in Vilnius. In the 1890s, they
emigrated to America, where "Between the time of his arrival in 1896 and
his death in 1940, Jacob served as chazzan, mohel, and/or schochet in at
least five synagogues."

Mr. Cohen's first American appointment was in Plymouth, PA. He also
worked in Shamokin, PA, Lynchburg, VA, Charleston, SC, and Scranton, PA.
This article delves into Jewish life in Veisiejai, Lithuania, as well as
in various places in Pennsylvania and Virginia.

To read this new article, please visit
http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/HTML/OnlineJournals/lifeandtimes_cohen5.htm

And to read the wealth of additional articles available to you via the
LitvakSIG Online Journal, including "What's in a Name? The Problem of
Name Changes in the Search for Family Roots," "Memorials for Lithuania
Shtetls in Cholon, Israel," "Another Surinamer Surfaces," "Box-Tax
Paperwork Records" and more, please consult the Table of Contents at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/HTML/OnlineJournals/Journal.htm

Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Editor, LitvakSIG Online Journal


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania The Life and Times of Ellen & Jacob Cohen: 1871-1950 (Lithuania/Pennsylvania) #lithuania

Judith27
 

Dear LitvakSIGdom,

Your LitvakSIG Online Journal is pleased to announce the e-publication of
"The Life and Times of Ellen and Jacob Cohen: 1871-1950" by Marvin L.
Simner, Ph.D.

Ellen Slasovitch Cohen was born in 1871 in Veisiejai, Lithuania, and her
husband Jacob Cohen was born in 1871 in Vilnius. In the 1890s, they
emigrated to America, where "Between the time of his arrival in 1896 and
his death in 1940, Jacob served as chazzan, mohel, and/or schochet in at
least five synagogues."

Mr. Cohen's first American appointment was in Plymouth, PA. He also
worked in Shamokin, PA, Lynchburg, VA, Charleston, SC, and Scranton, PA.
This article delves into Jewish life in Veisiejai, Lithuania, as well as
in various places in Pennsylvania and Virginia.

To read this new article, please visit
http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/HTML/OnlineJournals/lifeandtimes_cohen5.htm

And to read the wealth of additional articles available to you via the
LitvakSIG Online Journal, including "What's in a Name? The Problem of
Name Changes in the Search for Family Roots," "Memorials for Lithuania
Shtetls in Cholon, Israel," "Another Surinamer Surfaces," "Box-Tax
Paperwork Records" and more, please consult the Table of Contents at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/HTML/OnlineJournals/Journal.htm

Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Editor, LitvakSIG Online Journal


Ordering AGAD records #poland

Israel P
 

If someone is placing an order for records >from AGAD and is looking for
partners in the order, I have four records I want to order.

Israel Pickholtz

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland Ordering AGAD records #poland

Israel P
 

If someone is placing an order for records >from AGAD and is looking for
partners in the order, I have four records I want to order.

Israel Pickholtz

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Kindertransport commemoration; Westbahnhof, Vienna, 14 March 2008 #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

It is a pity many of you cannot read German because here is an article about
the commemoration which will take place at 11am at Westbahnhof, Vienna this
coming Friday 14 March 2008. There will be an unveiling of a bronze statue in
the main concourse for the Kindertransport that left Vienna for London from
this railway terminal via the Netherlands. The sculptress is Venezuelan-born
Flor Kent and the model for the child is Sam MORRIS, the great-grandson on one
of the original Kindertransport children:

http://www.bohmann.at/templates/index.cfm/id/23342/Die_Skulptur__Fuer_das_Kind

A seven-year old boy sits on a single suitcase, the only piece of luggage the
children were allowed to take with them. Some of the children were as young as
three years old and most never saw their parents again.

Sam will be there together with his great-grandmother Sara SCHREIBER. Other
dignitaries present will be representatives of the British Embassy and the
Jewish community of Vienna as well as Austrian officials.

At Liverpool Station there is already a statue commemorating these events:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindertransport

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Kindertransport commemoration; Westbahnhof, Vienna, 14 March 2008 #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

It is a pity many of you cannot read German because here is an article about
the commemoration which will take place at 11am at Westbahnhof, Vienna this
coming Friday 14 March 2008. There will be an unveiling of a bronze statue in
the main concourse for the Kindertransport that left Vienna for London from
this railway terminal via the Netherlands. The sculptress is Venezuelan-born
Flor Kent and the model for the child is Sam MORRIS, the great-grandson on one
of the original Kindertransport children:

http://www.bohmann.at/templates/index.cfm/id/23342/Die_Skulptur__Fuer_das_Kind

A seven-year old boy sits on a single suitcase, the only piece of luggage the
children were allowed to take with them. Some of the children were as young as
three years old and most never saw their parents again.

Sam will be there together with his great-grandmother Sara SCHREIBER. Other
dignitaries present will be representatives of the British Embassy and the
Jewish community of Vienna as well as Austrian officials.

At Liverpool Station there is already a statue commemorating these events:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindertransport

Celia Male [U.K.]


Dr Adolf LEIMDORFER - rabbi in Mahrisch Weisskirchen #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I am just following-up the statement I made last week: "I have today come
across Prof Dr. Adolf LEIMDORFER, first rabbi of the unified congregation of
Wallachisch Meseritsch [Valaske Mezerici] and Mahrisch Weisskirchen [Hranice],
Moravia in the period, 1892-1894. I have no indication as to where Adolf
LEIMDORFER came from."

In a Vienna marriage record [5 March 1908] of Dr Emil LEIMDORFER [dob 20 July
1879], Journalist working in Berlin, we can see that his father was Dr Adolf
LEIMDORFER and his mother Katharina SILBERBERG. Emil was born in Pisek, Bohemia
in 1879 but was "zustandig" in Teschen, Silesia. If this is the same Adolf as
the rabbi above - and I feel it is, as Dr Adolf LEIMDORFER officiated at his
son's wedding - then this LEIMDORFER branch comes >from Silesia.

The bride, Cacilie LIBAN comes >from Leipnik, Moravia but was zustandig in
Stanislau, Galicia. Father: Moses Leib LABIN; Mother: Babette GLUCKSMANN

Bob Hanscomb has many LEIMDORFER {especially >from Slovakia and Hungary} on his
site: http://members.tripod.com/~alfredhanscom/zerkowitz.pdf

Oliver Bryk has been looking for links to his Agram/Zagreb LEIMDORFER

Uri Meretz has also been looking for the links to his LEIMDORFER for years.
The father of Julia LEIMDORFER was Adolf HAHN, who lived in Uhersky Ostroh,
Moravia. Adolf HAHN was a brother of Uri's great-grandmother Henriette {nee
HAHN} ADLER.

Could the Teschen, Silesia LEIMDORFER possibly be the link to Uri's Moravian
family? I do hope so. Next we will have to find vital records >from Teschen.

Bob's family has many links to Leipnik and Mahrisch Weisskirchen. He also lists
a marriage: 411. Irma LEIMDORFER (Netti (Nechama)was born 13 Feb 1881 in Nagy
Bittse, Trencin Co., Hungary, and died Bet. 1942 - 1944 in concentration
camp. She married Mark ("Max") WEINBERGER 10 Mar 1901 in Nagy Bittse, Trencin
Co., Hungary. He was born in Teschen, Silesia.

This could all be pure coincidence or could all these families be linked?

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Dr Adolf LEIMDORFER - rabbi in Mahrisch Weisskirchen #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I am just following-up the statement I made last week: "I have today come
across Prof Dr. Adolf LEIMDORFER, first rabbi of the unified congregation of
Wallachisch Meseritsch [Valaske Mezerici] and Mahrisch Weisskirchen [Hranice],
Moravia in the period, 1892-1894. I have no indication as to where Adolf
LEIMDORFER came from."

In a Vienna marriage record [5 March 1908] of Dr Emil LEIMDORFER [dob 20 July
1879], Journalist working in Berlin, we can see that his father was Dr Adolf
LEIMDORFER and his mother Katharina SILBERBERG. Emil was born in Pisek, Bohemia
in 1879 but was "zustandig" in Teschen, Silesia. If this is the same Adolf as
the rabbi above - and I feel it is, as Dr Adolf LEIMDORFER officiated at his
son's wedding - then this LEIMDORFER branch comes >from Silesia.

The bride, Cacilie LIBAN comes >from Leipnik, Moravia but was zustandig in
Stanislau, Galicia. Father: Moses Leib LABIN; Mother: Babette GLUCKSMANN

Bob Hanscomb has many LEIMDORFER {especially >from Slovakia and Hungary} on his
site: http://members.tripod.com/~alfredhanscom/zerkowitz.pdf

Oliver Bryk has been looking for links to his Agram/Zagreb LEIMDORFER

Uri Meretz has also been looking for the links to his LEIMDORFER for years.
The father of Julia LEIMDORFER was Adolf HAHN, who lived in Uhersky Ostroh,
Moravia. Adolf HAHN was a brother of Uri's great-grandmother Henriette {nee
HAHN} ADLER.

Could the Teschen, Silesia LEIMDORFER possibly be the link to Uri's Moravian
family? I do hope so. Next we will have to find vital records >from Teschen.

Bob's family has many links to Leipnik and Mahrisch Weisskirchen. He also lists
a marriage: 411. Irma LEIMDORFER (Netti (Nechama)was born 13 Feb 1881 in Nagy
Bittse, Trencin Co., Hungary, and died Bet. 1942 - 1944 in concentration
camp. She married Mark ("Max") WEINBERGER 10 Mar 1901 in Nagy Bittse, Trencin
Co., Hungary. He was born in Teschen, Silesia.

This could all be pure coincidence or could all these families be linked?

Celia Male [U.K.]


Vienna School of Tailors #austria-czech

K. & L. Bertelsen <laiabertl@...>
 

Dear Celia

Thank you for your very informative message on JGen in response to a
query about trade apprenticeships for tailors, etc.

After my late step-Father, Eric Zipper, died on 19th October 2006,
I became the custodian of some incredible documents relating to his
WEISS-ZIPPER family of Bohemia, Vienna and Shanghai, including some
incredible photos, his Father's WWI Iron Cross, WWI unit photographs,
and many letters written whilst on service back to his family and then
fiance/later wife before he was demobilised after being badly wounded in
1917. I hope to have the energy to summarise all this and have the
letters, documents and Army unit postcards and letters translated
eventually.

Anyway, amongst the incredible documents and records were my
step-Father's Mother's 1905 Arbeitsbuch - her apprenticeship book and
her Einverleibungs-Meisterbuch.

The Arbeitsbuch seems to contain what appear to be details of her
employers and possibly employment reports/references >from 1905 - 1912
(possibly her apprentice years). As all this is in German I am not
really able to properly understand what was recorded, and will have to
scan everything and arrange for translation.

But in the light of your posting and your mention of Fachschule fur
Mode und Bekleidungstechnik; Wien 15, Siebeneichengasse,
as Dad and his parents lived in Wien 15, Staglgasse, I thought I would
just briefly list some of these employer/referee names :

1905 Genossenschaft der Klaidermacher, Wien
1912 Mdm. Ant. Schusz, Wien VI, Marianhilferstrasse 87
Giwessenschaft?? der Kleidermacher Wien

1909 Modea Robes - Ludmilla Steiner, vereh. Mechor, Wien XV, 2
Mariahilferstr.189
1912 Maison B. Hermann-Willig, Wien VII Mariahilferstr.?? 102
1912 Charlotte Schonfeld, Mariahilferstrasse 51

I am not sure if these were establishments where Malvine Weiss-Zipper
worked during her apprenticeship, or perhaps these were people she had
as private clients.

She operated a high-class ladies' dress-making/tailoring business >from
their home in Staglgasse until Anschluss.

Regards >from Downunder
Lorraine Bertelsen


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Vienna School of Tailors #austria-czech

K. & L. Bertelsen <laiabertl@...>
 

Dear Celia

Thank you for your very informative message on JGen in response to a
query about trade apprenticeships for tailors, etc.

After my late step-Father, Eric Zipper, died on 19th October 2006,
I became the custodian of some incredible documents relating to his
WEISS-ZIPPER family of Bohemia, Vienna and Shanghai, including some
incredible photos, his Father's WWI Iron Cross, WWI unit photographs,
and many letters written whilst on service back to his family and then
fiance/later wife before he was demobilised after being badly wounded in
1917. I hope to have the energy to summarise all this and have the
letters, documents and Army unit postcards and letters translated
eventually.

Anyway, amongst the incredible documents and records were my
step-Father's Mother's 1905 Arbeitsbuch - her apprenticeship book and
her Einverleibungs-Meisterbuch.

The Arbeitsbuch seems to contain what appear to be details of her
employers and possibly employment reports/references >from 1905 - 1912
(possibly her apprentice years). As all this is in German I am not
really able to properly understand what was recorded, and will have to
scan everything and arrange for translation.

But in the light of your posting and your mention of Fachschule fur
Mode und Bekleidungstechnik; Wien 15, Siebeneichengasse,
as Dad and his parents lived in Wien 15, Staglgasse, I thought I would
just briefly list some of these employer/referee names :

1905 Genossenschaft der Klaidermacher, Wien
1912 Mdm. Ant. Schusz, Wien VI, Marianhilferstrasse 87
Giwessenschaft?? der Kleidermacher Wien

1909 Modea Robes - Ludmilla Steiner, vereh. Mechor, Wien XV, 2
Mariahilferstr.189
1912 Maison B. Hermann-Willig, Wien VII Mariahilferstr.?? 102
1912 Charlotte Schonfeld, Mariahilferstrasse 51

I am not sure if these were establishments where Malvine Weiss-Zipper
worked during her apprenticeship, or perhaps these were people she had
as private clients.

She operated a high-class ladies' dress-making/tailoring business >from
their home in Staglgasse until Anschluss.

Regards >from Downunder
Lorraine Bertelsen


Jews of Triesch Moravia - unusual 1750 surname usage #austria-czech

Henry (home) <hmsinai@...>
 

Celia Male's recent posting about Triesch highlights a very important
source for anyone researching Moravia, namely

Hugo Gold's compendium "Die Juden und Judengemeinden Mahrens in
Vergangenheit and Gegenwarts

There are numerous excellent articles and even though written in German,
the many Familianten and name-change lists connected to the Josefian
reforms of the late 1700s contain numerous names -readable by non-German
speakers.

Interestingly, in the Triesch chapter relating to an event in 1757,
11 names of 'elders" are mentioned, of whom 3 have the surname "TRIESCH'
added to the names!

I always thought that a town surname indicated the town >from whence
someone came - ex "Frankfurter" >from Frankfurt but it seems strange that
TRIESCH is surname in Triesch!!

Is this unusual or have other Siggers found similar occurrences?

Henry Sinai

Researching:
Personal Name of "Sinai"
Family names:
SINAI and variations (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, ETC)- Austria,
Hungary, Rest of World
PARNES- Lemberg (Lvov), Brody, Berlin
GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin
MOSZKOWSKI- Opole Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland
SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie, Rzeszow; Poland
SCHMITZ - Slovakia, Austria/Hungary
WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Jews of Triesch Moravia - unusual 1750 surname usage #austria-czech

Henry (home) <hmsinai@...>
 

Celia Male's recent posting about Triesch highlights a very important
source for anyone researching Moravia, namely

Hugo Gold's compendium "Die Juden und Judengemeinden Mahrens in
Vergangenheit and Gegenwarts

There are numerous excellent articles and even though written in German,
the many Familianten and name-change lists connected to the Josefian
reforms of the late 1700s contain numerous names -readable by non-German
speakers.

Interestingly, in the Triesch chapter relating to an event in 1757,
11 names of 'elders" are mentioned, of whom 3 have the surname "TRIESCH'
added to the names!

I always thought that a town surname indicated the town >from whence
someone came - ex "Frankfurter" >from Frankfurt but it seems strange that
TRIESCH is surname in Triesch!!

Is this unusual or have other Siggers found similar occurrences?

Henry Sinai

Researching:
Personal Name of "Sinai"
Family names:
SINAI and variations (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, ETC)- Austria,
Hungary, Rest of World
PARNES- Lemberg (Lvov), Brody, Berlin
GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin
MOSZKOWSKI- Opole Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland
SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie, Rzeszow; Poland
SCHMITZ - Slovakia, Austria/Hungary
WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna