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FURST, KUNSTLER, ROSTHAL #galicia

Peter Jassem <jassep@...>
 

Dear Galitzianers,

I have learned married names of two of my relatives for the first time.
These are FURST and KUNSTLER (in both names two dots over U).

If you have any information of Emil FURST b. 1903 in Jaroslaw, a lawyer in
Krakow, and his wife Laura (Lola) nee ROSTHAL b. 1906 in Krakow, graduate
in philosophy >from Jagiellonian University, who (both) had reportedly
survived and emigrated to Israel please let me know. I heard that Lola was
later widowed and remarried. Possible location in Israel was Tel Mond. I
am in search of descendants.

Also, let me know if you have information about Hirsch Dawid KUNSTLER b.
1911 in Krakow, a private clerk in Krakow, and his wife Marya Bianka
(Maryla) nee ROSTHAL b. 1911 in Krakow and their children. Apparently the
whole family was killed by Nazis.

Laura ROSTHAL and Marya Bianka ROSTHAL were sisterd and daughters of Kalman
(Karol) ROSTHAL and Gittel (Eugenia) nee STATTER, my great aunt.

I am also looking for information about their brother Edward ROSTHAL b. 1907
in Krakow married to Ella (Ilse) of unknown maiden name, who survived and
emigrated to Israel, likely lived in Tel-Aviv and was an editor of a Polish
language newspaper, Kurier-Nowiny, I think. I am looking for his
descendants. Information received >from the Bureau for Search for Missing
Relatives in Jerusalem led to descendants of other Edward Rosthal, not mine.

Any help or tips will be appreciated. The obvious like writing again to
the Bureau or Yad Vashem need not to be mentioned.

Thanks a lot,

Peter Jassem


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia FURST, KUNSTLER, ROSTHAL #galicia

Peter Jassem <jassep@...>
 

Dear Galitzianers,

I have learned married names of two of my relatives for the first time.
These are FURST and KUNSTLER (in both names two dots over U).

If you have any information of Emil FURST b. 1903 in Jaroslaw, a lawyer in
Krakow, and his wife Laura (Lola) nee ROSTHAL b. 1906 in Krakow, graduate
in philosophy >from Jagiellonian University, who (both) had reportedly
survived and emigrated to Israel please let me know. I heard that Lola was
later widowed and remarried. Possible location in Israel was Tel Mond. I
am in search of descendants.

Also, let me know if you have information about Hirsch Dawid KUNSTLER b.
1911 in Krakow, a private clerk in Krakow, and his wife Marya Bianka
(Maryla) nee ROSTHAL b. 1911 in Krakow and their children. Apparently the
whole family was killed by Nazis.

Laura ROSTHAL and Marya Bianka ROSTHAL were sisterd and daughters of Kalman
(Karol) ROSTHAL and Gittel (Eugenia) nee STATTER, my great aunt.

I am also looking for information about their brother Edward ROSTHAL b. 1907
in Krakow married to Ella (Ilse) of unknown maiden name, who survived and
emigrated to Israel, likely lived in Tel-Aviv and was an editor of a Polish
language newspaper, Kurier-Nowiny, I think. I am looking for his
descendants. Information received >from the Bureau for Search for Missing
Relatives in Jerusalem led to descendants of other Edward Rosthal, not mine.

Any help or tips will be appreciated. The obvious like writing again to
the Bureau or Yad Vashem need not to be mentioned.

Thanks a lot,

Peter Jassem


Krakow Banns and Marriages #galicia

Judy Wolkovitch <judywolk@...>
 

Krakow Marriage and Banns Indices

The Krakow Marriage and Banns indexing project has turned out
to be an OVERWHELMING success.

Besides the sheer volume of the indices (23,000 entries), the records
themselves give researchers of Krakow and nearby towns far more
information than is usually available in a web search. Many
researchers have sent for copies of the register pages and their
generous donations have enabled the Jewish Historical Institute
to microfilm the registers and thus preserve the original volumes.

During the microfilming process, orders for copies of records
were put on hold and on behalf of the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation
Genealogy project at the Jewish Historical Institute (which handles
the servicing of orders), I would like to thank researchers for their
patience. I am informed that they are now catching up with the
backlog.

The Krakow Marriage and Banns initative is just one of the
collections of genealogical interest being indexed under the
auspices of the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland / Jewish
Genealogical Society, Inc. (New York) joint project at the
Jewish Historical Institute, Warsaw. For more information
about this and other projects at the Jewish Historical Institute,
go to: http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jri-jhi.htm

Stanley Diamond, Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
Judy Wolkovitch, Town Leader,
Krakow Marriage and Banns project at the Jewish Historical Institute

Stanley Diamond and Judy Wolkovitch


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Krakow Banns and Marriages #galicia

Judy Wolkovitch <judywolk@...>
 

Krakow Marriage and Banns Indices

The Krakow Marriage and Banns indexing project has turned out
to be an OVERWHELMING success.

Besides the sheer volume of the indices (23,000 entries), the records
themselves give researchers of Krakow and nearby towns far more
information than is usually available in a web search. Many
researchers have sent for copies of the register pages and their
generous donations have enabled the Jewish Historical Institute
to microfilm the registers and thus preserve the original volumes.

During the microfilming process, orders for copies of records
were put on hold and on behalf of the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation
Genealogy project at the Jewish Historical Institute (which handles
the servicing of orders), I would like to thank researchers for their
patience. I am informed that they are now catching up with the
backlog.

The Krakow Marriage and Banns initative is just one of the
collections of genealogical interest being indexed under the
auspices of the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland / Jewish
Genealogical Society, Inc. (New York) joint project at the
Jewish Historical Institute, Warsaw. For more information
about this and other projects at the Jewish Historical Institute,
go to: http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jri-jhi.htm

Stanley Diamond, Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
Judy Wolkovitch, Town Leader,
Krakow Marriage and Banns project at the Jewish Historical Institute

Stanley Diamond and Judy Wolkovitch


Krakow records from Jewish Historical Institute [subject provided by moderator] #galicia

Peter Jassem <jassep@...>
 

Those of you who have ordered but not received your copies of Krakow
marriage or bann records >from Jewish Historical Institute yet will be soon
nicely surprised. The amount of information is vast indeed. I have already
received my records, which I ordered early, and I am now overwhelmed with
the amount of information they contain.

Marriage records include the marriage date and place, given and last names
of bride and groom, place of birth, occupation/profession (or subject of
university studies in progress), street address, given and last name and
occupation/profession of father (indication if deceased), given and maiden
name of mother, age of bride and groom in years and months (with accuracy to
1/2 month) on the day of marriage, status (bachelor, widower, divorced
etc.), signature of rabbi or other entitled religious person, signatures of
witnesses and their occupations, list of presented documents such as birth
certificates, banns certificates with dates and location and often such
documents as certificate of groom's military status (certificate of
completion of service), court's permission, father's permission with
signature etc.

Banns records have just a bit less information but still include names of
parents and street address and some other information however they exclude
the age of the bride & groom.

I used to be frustrated by the brief format of most of Galitzian records
when compared to extensive Polish-Russian records written in narrative
format. Now, thanks to volunteers of JGS-NY and JRI-PL and personnel of ZIH
in Warsaw we can enjoy the same (if not greater) wealth of information in
relation to Krakow Marriage and Banns Registers, 1877 - 1939. Thanks to=
all!

Peter Jassem


Email #general

Vivian Salama <vivian@...>
 

Hi again,

Our Internet Provider is back up and running and so we can once again
receive email. Vivian@... should be working now. Hope
to hear >from you.

Thanks for your patience.

Vivian


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Krakow records from Jewish Historical Institute [subject provided by moderator] #galicia

Peter Jassem <jassep@...>
 

Those of you who have ordered but not received your copies of Krakow
marriage or bann records >from Jewish Historical Institute yet will be soon
nicely surprised. The amount of information is vast indeed. I have already
received my records, which I ordered early, and I am now overwhelmed with
the amount of information they contain.

Marriage records include the marriage date and place, given and last names
of bride and groom, place of birth, occupation/profession (or subject of
university studies in progress), street address, given and last name and
occupation/profession of father (indication if deceased), given and maiden
name of mother, age of bride and groom in years and months (with accuracy to
1/2 month) on the day of marriage, status (bachelor, widower, divorced
etc.), signature of rabbi or other entitled religious person, signatures of
witnesses and their occupations, list of presented documents such as birth
certificates, banns certificates with dates and location and often such
documents as certificate of groom's military status (certificate of
completion of service), court's permission, father's permission with
signature etc.

Banns records have just a bit less information but still include names of
parents and street address and some other information however they exclude
the age of the bride & groom.

I used to be frustrated by the brief format of most of Galitzian records
when compared to extensive Polish-Russian records written in narrative
format. Now, thanks to volunteers of JGS-NY and JRI-PL and personnel of ZIH
in Warsaw we can enjoy the same (if not greater) wealth of information in
relation to Krakow Marriage and Banns Registers, 1877 - 1939. Thanks to=
all!

Peter Jassem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Email #general

Vivian Salama <vivian@...>
 

Hi again,

Our Internet Provider is back up and running and so we can once again
receive email. Vivian@... should be working now. Hope
to hear >from you.

Thanks for your patience.

Vivian


Re: finding a bible #general

DonnDevine@...
 

Rose:

If, as often happens when someone dies, the bible was thrown out along with
other treasured family papers and photos, the cause is, of course, hopeless.

Sometimes, however, such treasures will have been rescued by a relative
with a sense of family. Finding that person requires a careful search for
all the descendants, if any, and collateral relatives of the person who had
the things, followed by inquiries to them, starting with those most likely
to have been present at or near the time of her death.

Without a family record >from the bible, the search for Aunt Jessie's
relatives will be more difficult, but can be pursued using family
recollections, city and telephone directories, vital records, 1920 and
earlier US censuses (1930 beginning next April), wills and deeds, and
similar modern records, many of which are available in large cpublic
libraries, and also through local Mormon Family History Centers. This is
how I eventually located four family bibles, one of which was given to me
along with portraits of some of my great-grandparents, and I obtained
photocopies or transcripts >from the other bibles.

In copying bible records, always get a copy also of the title and copyright
pages. This helps determine the earliest date at which the family record
was entered, helping separate entries made at the time an event took place
(usually very reliable) >from those copied >from an earlier record (and
therefore subject to errors in interpretation or copying).

Donn Devine
Wilmington Delaware

----------Original Message-------------------
Subject: Re: finding a bible
From: RAROSE10@...
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:50:21 EST

My aunt jessie Rosenstein had a bible in which she wrote in. At that
time I was not interested in genealogy and did not think about it until
tonight. I believe that she died abt 25 years ago. I would like to find
that bible now. I suspect that it is sort of late to get it back but I
am hoping that some one might be so kind as to find it for me or tell me
how to go abt searching for it. She lived in Chatham A south side district
of Chicago, Illinois. I am lame now and do not have a car.

Rose Hoffman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: finding a bible #general

DonnDevine@...
 

Rose:

If, as often happens when someone dies, the bible was thrown out along with
other treasured family papers and photos, the cause is, of course, hopeless.

Sometimes, however, such treasures will have been rescued by a relative
with a sense of family. Finding that person requires a careful search for
all the descendants, if any, and collateral relatives of the person who had
the things, followed by inquiries to them, starting with those most likely
to have been present at or near the time of her death.

Without a family record >from the bible, the search for Aunt Jessie's
relatives will be more difficult, but can be pursued using family
recollections, city and telephone directories, vital records, 1920 and
earlier US censuses (1930 beginning next April), wills and deeds, and
similar modern records, many of which are available in large cpublic
libraries, and also through local Mormon Family History Centers. This is
how I eventually located four family bibles, one of which was given to me
along with portraits of some of my great-grandparents, and I obtained
photocopies or transcripts >from the other bibles.

In copying bible records, always get a copy also of the title and copyright
pages. This helps determine the earliest date at which the family record
was entered, helping separate entries made at the time an event took place
(usually very reliable) >from those copied >from an earlier record (and
therefore subject to errors in interpretation or copying).

Donn Devine
Wilmington Delaware

----------Original Message-------------------
Subject: Re: finding a bible
From: RAROSE10@...
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:50:21 EST

My aunt jessie Rosenstein had a bible in which she wrote in. At that
time I was not interested in genealogy and did not think about it until
tonight. I believe that she died abt 25 years ago. I would like to find
that bible now. I suspect that it is sort of late to get it back but I
am hoping that some one might be so kind as to find it for me or tell me
how to go abt searching for it. She lived in Chatham A south side district
of Chicago, Illinois. I am lame now and do not have a car.

Rose Hoffman


New Krakow Project #galicia

wg <wg@...>
 

Here is some exciting news about a new Krakow project.

An order has been placed to photocopy indices of Krakow records
not previously microfilmed by the Mormons. The indices for the
following types/years are being copied:

Births: 1855-1867 and 1890-1899
Marriages: 1852-1876 and 1889-1899
Deaths: 1855

Because the Krakow records are in Polish/German, the data entry
will be done by volunteers - not the JRI-Poland data entry team
in Warsaw that normally does the work on the Cyrillic records.

Now volunteers are needed! Help us with data entry so that
these indices can be posted to the Jewish Records Indexing -
Poland on-line database. If you have never worked on a project
such as this, now is the time to try. Novices are definitely
welcome as volunteers and I can assure you that you will get
all the help you need.

This is the first phase of the project. The second phase will
be the data entry by the Archivist in Krakow - for those years
that do not have index pages.

To volunteer to do data entry or if you have any questions,
please contact:

Judie Ostroff Goldstein
wg@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia New Krakow Project #galicia

wg <wg@...>
 

Here is some exciting news about a new Krakow project.

An order has been placed to photocopy indices of Krakow records
not previously microfilmed by the Mormons. The indices for the
following types/years are being copied:

Births: 1855-1867 and 1890-1899
Marriages: 1852-1876 and 1889-1899
Deaths: 1855

Because the Krakow records are in Polish/German, the data entry
will be done by volunteers - not the JRI-Poland data entry team
in Warsaw that normally does the work on the Cyrillic records.

Now volunteers are needed! Help us with data entry so that
these indices can be posted to the Jewish Records Indexing -
Poland on-line database. If you have never worked on a project
such as this, now is the time to try. Novices are definitely
welcome as volunteers and I can assure you that you will get
all the help you need.

This is the first phase of the project. The second phase will
be the data entry by the Archivist in Krakow - for those years
that do not have index pages.

To volunteer to do data entry or if you have any questions,
please contact:

Judie Ostroff Goldstein
wg@...


reflection on family research #general

Sara Lynns
 

sad to say, I have yet to
a) connect up with family or
b) find information beyond research I've already done

going to NARA has worked best for me. However, I
don't know how many subscribers there ar eon
Jewishgen.
I would really welcome finding paternal relatives.

Here goes again:
Samuel H. Lerner (born 1907 NY); brother, Charles,
sister Sara; parents Meyer and Golde (emigrated to US
from Russia in 1904).
if you know or are aware of any family:
Lerner (above), Abraham Wenger (emigrated US;
naturalized 1919) or Sara (Lerner) Schulman - married
name born 1905 NY

Todah!

Jacqueline Lerner-Aderman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen reflection on family research #general

Sara Lynns
 

sad to say, I have yet to
a) connect up with family or
b) find information beyond research I've already done

going to NARA has worked best for me. However, I
don't know how many subscribers there ar eon
Jewishgen.
I would really welcome finding paternal relatives.

Here goes again:
Samuel H. Lerner (born 1907 NY); brother, Charles,
sister Sara; parents Meyer and Golde (emigrated to US
from Russia in 1904).
if you know or are aware of any family:
Lerner (above), Abraham Wenger (emigrated US;
naturalized 1919) or Sara (Lerner) Schulman - married
name born 1905 NY

Todah!

Jacqueline Lerner-Aderman


Bialystok vital records #general

Arthur Blutstein <meandart@...>
 

Since JRI-Poland has completed all indexing >from 1835 through 1898 and has
no plans to go further, the records for years 1899 to about 1943 are kept in
the local records offices--the USC's. (The earlier records were in the
Polish State Archives & various branches).

I am interested in obtaining the addresses of these offices and is anyone
familiar with the process & various fees & problems involved in obtaining
the records??

Many thanks,
Art Blutstein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bialystok vital records #general

Arthur Blutstein <meandart@...>
 

Since JRI-Poland has completed all indexing >from 1835 through 1898 and has
no plans to go further, the records for years 1899 to about 1943 are kept in
the local records offices--the USC's. (The earlier records were in the
Polish State Archives & various branches).

I am interested in obtaining the addresses of these offices and is anyone
familiar with the process & various fees & problems involved in obtaining
the records??

Many thanks,
Art Blutstein


TCHERKOSKI #general

vangheluwe <vangheluwe-smietan@...>
 

Bonjour,

This message is a try to find descendants or relatives to Louis TCHERKOSKI
( or TCHERKOVSKY or CZERECHOWSKI) probably >from Warsaw, living as
business-traveller in Paris Vaugirard 15ème in 1933.

Daniel Vangheluwe


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen TCHERKOSKI #general

vangheluwe <vangheluwe-smietan@...>
 

Bonjour,

This message is a try to find descendants or relatives to Louis TCHERKOSKI
( or TCHERKOVSKY or CZERECHOWSKI) probably >from Warsaw, living as
business-traveller in Paris Vaugirard 15ème in 1933.

Daniel Vangheluwe


Re: finding a bible #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Being housebound should not stop someone >from locating information they
require about their family . . . you can easily become an armchair
genealogist!!!

Try the following:

1. Contact your Aunt Jessie's children or grandchildren, if she had any.
They would be the ones who would probably have her bible.

2. If she had no children, I would determine what happened to her husband
and then what happened to his effects when he passed away.

3. If she had no husband, I would find out who was the executor of her
estate, perhaps one of her siblings or a niece or nephew. You would
probably get an indication of this by who is listed on her death
certificate. They or their children could then direct you to the
whereabouts of her belongings, if they still exist. You can also get a
copy of your Aunt's will if she had one and this will give the disposition
of her belongings.

If all this fails to bring forth the elusive bible, consider it lost.
However, your quest to locate the information contained in the bible is not
finished. You can reconstruct that information by making contacts via
e-mail, telephone, or mail.

The first thing you should do is sign up for the JGFF on JewishGen and then
speak to all of your oldest living relatives. Determine where the family
originated in Europe. Follow this up by obtaining all the records you can
obtain >from State and local jurisdictions where your family lived in
America. Contact information can be easily found on the Internet or by
calling the appropriate agencies.

InfoFiles on doing research are to be found on JewishGen and you can always
contact your locale library for assistance. Many libraries are now on-line
and actual records are on-line too for free such as the Ellis Island
Database, some as subscriptions such as the 1900 U.S. Census, and a number
of them such as the 1910 U.S. Census can be obtained on CD-ROM or
microfiche >from various sources. This means that researchers are no longer
restricted by lack of access to information located in places far >from
their home.

Arrange to go to a Jewish Genealogical Society meeting in your area.
Usually, you can gain insight into doing your research >from other members
and take advantage of the JGS's library. Perhaps one of the members can
pick you up and take you to the meeting. If this is not possible, there
are special taxis in many parts of the U.S. to help handicapped individuals
go to their appointments.

So, as you see, your situation should not limit your research capabilities.

Good luck!

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: finding a bible #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Being housebound should not stop someone >from locating information they
require about their family . . . you can easily become an armchair
genealogist!!!

Try the following:

1. Contact your Aunt Jessie's children or grandchildren, if she had any.
They would be the ones who would probably have her bible.

2. If she had no children, I would determine what happened to her husband
and then what happened to his effects when he passed away.

3. If she had no husband, I would find out who was the executor of her
estate, perhaps one of her siblings or a niece or nephew. You would
probably get an indication of this by who is listed on her death
certificate. They or their children could then direct you to the
whereabouts of her belongings, if they still exist. You can also get a
copy of your Aunt's will if she had one and this will give the disposition
of her belongings.

If all this fails to bring forth the elusive bible, consider it lost.
However, your quest to locate the information contained in the bible is not
finished. You can reconstruct that information by making contacts via
e-mail, telephone, or mail.

The first thing you should do is sign up for the JGFF on JewishGen and then
speak to all of your oldest living relatives. Determine where the family
originated in Europe. Follow this up by obtaining all the records you can
obtain >from State and local jurisdictions where your family lived in
America. Contact information can be easily found on the Internet or by
calling the appropriate agencies.

InfoFiles on doing research are to be found on JewishGen and you can always
contact your locale library for assistance. Many libraries are now on-line
and actual records are on-line too for free such as the Ellis Island
Database, some as subscriptions such as the 1900 U.S. Census, and a number
of them such as the 1910 U.S. Census can be obtained on CD-ROM or
microfiche >from various sources. This means that researchers are no longer
restricted by lack of access to information located in places far >from
their home.

Arrange to go to a Jewish Genealogical Society meeting in your area.
Usually, you can gain insight into doing your research >from other members
and take advantage of the JGS's library. Perhaps one of the members can
pick you up and take you to the meeting. If this is not possible, there
are special taxis in many parts of the U.S. to help handicapped individuals
go to their appointments.

So, as you see, your situation should not limit your research capabilities.

Good luck!

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...