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Re: Haplogroups R1a and Q1b among Jews #dna

Pavel Bernshtam
 

Dear Dave, of course I'm reading messages about Radanites on the Q1b
mailing group.
But, as I told already, this theory looks for me problematic.
This theory can not describe how 5% of Ashkenazi jews are Q1b. Read my
email carefully please - I'm telling about this fact, as well as about
non jewish Q1b in Europe.

I agree with you that Khazars theory is very problematic - it can not
describe a lot of things, but for now it still looks better than other
theories:
1. it can describe both Ashkenazi Levites R1a and Ashkenazi Q1b
2. It can describe significant percentage of R1a and Q1b. Any single
event (merchant, marriage, rape) can not describe it

But still we can not make conclusion - we have too little data

Pavel Bernshtam

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 00:59, Dave Howard<dshoward@usa.net> wrote:
Pavel,

You point out some of the very interesting questions we Jewish Haplogroup
Q1b?s have when it comes to the source of our yDNA. Your comments are not up
to date though. I suggest you check in again with our Yahoo Groups
Discussion at the Group called Ashkenazi-Q.

Briefly, Dr. Hammer et al have found a downstream marker >from our Q marker.
It is SNP M378 which makes us Q1b. This discovery rules out Attila the Hun,
Genghis Khan and the Khazars as our source ? in my opinion.

The Behar paper you cite below shows that we appear to be nearly the only
Europeans with this marker. We are not yet unique in the world. A few people
have been found among the Sindhi people of Pakistan and the Hazara of
Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Our Jewish Q1b?s appear to have a common relative within the last 1,000
years plus or minus a few hundred.

As of today my best guess as to the connection between the Ashkenazi and the
Sindhi is the Jewish trading group known as the Radanites probably based in
France in the Rhone Valley. They traveled mostly over water along the Silk
Road through the Mediterranean Sea, across where the Suez Canal is today and
then down and up the Arabian peninsula and down and up the Indian
sub-continent to China. A natural stopping point would have been Karachi
with its wonderful seaport. Karachi is a Sindhi city even today. (We need to
know more about the Aryans who came into the area about 700 C.E. >from the
north and west.)

The Radanites were active >from about 500 C.E. to 1,000 C.E. And traveled and
traded freely among Christians, Muslims and others. They brought goods and
slaves >from the west to trade for the treasures of the East including silk.
The Radanites developed a letter of credit system so they would not have to
carry large amounts of cash and are thought to be the founders of
international banking.

Do any of the readers of this post have Radanites as ancestors?

I have written a fictional story at our Yahoo Group that is as factual as
possible where I speculate that the Q1b marker was brought to our Ashkenazi
family without force, violence or rape.

The unanswered questions make this all very interesting.

Dave Howard (Nee Horwitz << Chicago << Latvia)
Administrator for Jewish_Q Group at Family Tree DNA
Discussion Moderator for Ashkenazi-Q Group at Yahoo Groups


DNA Research #DNA Re: Haplogroups R1a and Q1b among Jews #dna

Pavel Bernshtam
 

Dear Dave, of course I'm reading messages about Radanites on the Q1b
mailing group.
But, as I told already, this theory looks for me problematic.
This theory can not describe how 5% of Ashkenazi jews are Q1b. Read my
email carefully please - I'm telling about this fact, as well as about
non jewish Q1b in Europe.

I agree with you that Khazars theory is very problematic - it can not
describe a lot of things, but for now it still looks better than other
theories:
1. it can describe both Ashkenazi Levites R1a and Ashkenazi Q1b
2. It can describe significant percentage of R1a and Q1b. Any single
event (merchant, marriage, rape) can not describe it

But still we can not make conclusion - we have too little data

Pavel Bernshtam

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 00:59, Dave Howard<dshoward@usa.net> wrote:
Pavel,

You point out some of the very interesting questions we Jewish Haplogroup
Q1b?s have when it comes to the source of our yDNA. Your comments are not up
to date though. I suggest you check in again with our Yahoo Groups
Discussion at the Group called Ashkenazi-Q.

Briefly, Dr. Hammer et al have found a downstream marker >from our Q marker.
It is SNP M378 which makes us Q1b. This discovery rules out Attila the Hun,
Genghis Khan and the Khazars as our source ? in my opinion.

The Behar paper you cite below shows that we appear to be nearly the only
Europeans with this marker. We are not yet unique in the world. A few people
have been found among the Sindhi people of Pakistan and the Hazara of
Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Our Jewish Q1b?s appear to have a common relative within the last 1,000
years plus or minus a few hundred.

As of today my best guess as to the connection between the Ashkenazi and the
Sindhi is the Jewish trading group known as the Radanites probably based in
France in the Rhone Valley. They traveled mostly over water along the Silk
Road through the Mediterranean Sea, across where the Suez Canal is today and
then down and up the Arabian peninsula and down and up the Indian
sub-continent to China. A natural stopping point would have been Karachi
with its wonderful seaport. Karachi is a Sindhi city even today. (We need to
know more about the Aryans who came into the area about 700 C.E. >from the
north and west.)

The Radanites were active >from about 500 C.E. to 1,000 C.E. And traveled and
traded freely among Christians, Muslims and others. They brought goods and
slaves >from the west to trade for the treasures of the East including silk.
The Radanites developed a letter of credit system so they would not have to
carry large amounts of cash and are thought to be the founders of
international banking.

Do any of the readers of this post have Radanites as ancestors?

I have written a fictional story at our Yahoo Group that is as factual as
possible where I speculate that the Q1b marker was brought to our Ashkenazi
family without force, violence or rape.

The unanswered questions make this all very interesting.

Dave Howard (Nee Horwitz << Chicago << Latvia)
Administrator for Jewish_Q Group at Family Tree DNA
Discussion Moderator for Ashkenazi-Q Group at Yahoo Groups


JewishGen volunteer promotions - Nolan Altman and Lance Ackerfeld #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

I'm very pleased to announce two promotions within the
JewishGen volunteer community. Nolan Altman is now
JewishGen's Vice-President for Data Acquisition, and
Lance Ackerfeld is the new Manager of the JewishGen
Yizkor Book Project.

Nolan Altman, a New York CPA, is currently the president
of NTA Consulting, a financial services consulting firm
specializing in hedge fund and asset management firms.
He currently serves on a number of hedge fund and
philanthropic boards.

Nolan was bit by the "genealogy bug" when he was inspired
to write his family history in 1996 in memory of his mother.
As Coordinator for JewishGen's Holocaust Database and the
JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR) projects,
Nolan works with volunteers >from around the world helping
to grow both databases. He has made presentations and
conducted computer workshops at the IAJGS annual conferences.
He continues to present seminars to adult and continuing
education classes as well as university Holocaust and
European history classes. Nolan has had articles published
in Avotaynu, Dorot, Stammbaum, Shemot and the FEEFHS Journal.
He is a Board member and Treasurer of the JGS of Long Island,
where he coordinates their Yearbook Project, and is a member
of the JGS of NY.

Lance Ackerfeld's first contact with JewishGen was in 1997,
when he began by using the site to search for clues to his
family's past in Poland. That year he responded to a request
to find someone in the Israeli phone book. As a result of that
email, he began assisting the JewishGen Yizkor Book Project as
a Permissions Coordinator in finding landsmanshaftn in Israel,
and explaining to them why it was important to place the
translations of this precious material on the Internet.

With a background in computing - his day job being in software
development and database programming - he has coordinated the
Yizkor Book Project's web pages since 1999, managing a small
but highly dedicated and talented team of HTML'ers.

Lance was born in Australia, and now lives with his family
in a kibbutz in the north of Israel.

Lance will now become Manager of the JewishGen Yizkor Book
Project, which was originally fostered by Joyce Field, and
recently stewarded by Avraham Groll. Lance sees this new
role as an opportunity to apply his gained experience and
contacts in keeping this important project going forward.

I would also like to offer special thanks to Avraham Groll
for volunteering to manage the Yizkor Book Project during
the transition period and ensuring its continued success.

Please join me in congratulating Nolan and Lance in their
new responsibilities.

A list of JewishGen's officers and key volunteers
can be found at:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/FactSheet.htm >.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Managing Director, JewishGen
< wblatt@jewishgen.org >


Danzig/Gedansk SIG #Danzig #Gdansk #Germany #Poland JewishGen volunteer promotions - Nolan Altman and Lance Ackerfeld #poland #danzig #gdansk #germany

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

I'm very pleased to announce two promotions within the
JewishGen volunteer community. Nolan Altman is now
JewishGen's Vice-President for Data Acquisition, and
Lance Ackerfeld is the new Manager of the JewishGen
Yizkor Book Project.

Nolan Altman, a New York CPA, is currently the president
of NTA Consulting, a financial services consulting firm
specializing in hedge fund and asset management firms.
He currently serves on a number of hedge fund and
philanthropic boards.

Nolan was bit by the "genealogy bug" when he was inspired
to write his family history in 1996 in memory of his mother.
As Coordinator for JewishGen's Holocaust Database and the
JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR) projects,
Nolan works with volunteers >from around the world helping
to grow both databases. He has made presentations and
conducted computer workshops at the IAJGS annual conferences.
He continues to present seminars to adult and continuing
education classes as well as university Holocaust and
European history classes. Nolan has had articles published
in Avotaynu, Dorot, Stammbaum, Shemot and the FEEFHS Journal.
He is a Board member and Treasurer of the JGS of Long Island,
where he coordinates their Yearbook Project, and is a member
of the JGS of NY.

Lance Ackerfeld's first contact with JewishGen was in 1997,
when he began by using the site to search for clues to his
family's past in Poland. That year he responded to a request
to find someone in the Israeli phone book. As a result of that
email, he began assisting the JewishGen Yizkor Book Project as
a Permissions Coordinator in finding landsmanshaftn in Israel,
and explaining to them why it was important to place the
translations of this precious material on the Internet.

With a background in computing - his day job being in software
development and database programming - he has coordinated the
Yizkor Book Project's web pages since 1999, managing a small
but highly dedicated and talented team of HTML'ers.

Lance was born in Australia, and now lives with his family
in a kibbutz in the north of Israel.

Lance will now become Manager of the JewishGen Yizkor Book
Project, which was originally fostered by Joyce Field, and
recently stewarded by Avraham Groll. Lance sees this new
role as an opportunity to apply his gained experience and
contacts in keeping this important project going forward.

I would also like to offer special thanks to Avraham Groll
for volunteering to manage the Yizkor Book Project during
the transition period and ensuring its continued success.

Please join me in congratulating Nolan and Lance in their
new responsibilities.

A list of JewishGen's officers and key volunteers
can be found at:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/FactSheet.htm >.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Managing Director, JewishGen
< wblatt@jewishgen.org >


JewishGen volunteer promotions - Nolan Altman and Lance Ackerfeld #hungary

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

I'm very pleased to announce two promotions within the
JewishGen volunteer community. Nolan Altman is now
JewishGen's Vice-President for Data Acquisition, and
Lance Ackerfeld is the new Manager of the JewishGen
Yizkor Book Project.

Nolan Altman, a New York CPA, is currently the president
of NTA Consulting, a financial services consulting firm
specializing in hedge fund and asset management firms.
He currently serves on a number of hedge fund and
philanthropic boards.

Nolan was bit by the "genealogy bug" when he was inspired
to write his family history in 1996 in memory of his mother.
As Coordinator for JewishGen's Holocaust Database and the
JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR) projects,
Nolan works with volunteers >from around the world helping
to grow both databases. He has made presentations and
conducted computer workshops at the IAJGS annual conferences.
He continues to present seminars to adult and continuing
education classes as well as university Holocaust and
European history classes. Nolan has had articles published
in Avotaynu, Dorot, Stammbaum, Shemot and the FEEFHS Journal.
He is a Board member and Treasurer of the JGS of Long Island,
where he coordinates their Yearbook Project, and is a member
of the JGS of NY.

Lance Ackerfeld's first contact with JewishGen was in 1997,
when he began by using the site to search for clues to his
family's past in Poland. That year he responded to a request
to find someone in the Israeli phone book. As a result of that
email, he began assisting the JewishGen Yizkor Book Project as
a Permissions Coordinator in finding landsmanshaftn in Israel,
and explaining to them why it was important to place the
translations of this precious material on the Internet.

With a background in computing - his day job being in software
development and database programming - he has coordinated the
Yizkor Book Project's web pages since 1999, managing a small
but highly dedicated and talented team of HTML'ers.

Lance was born in Australia, and now lives with his family
in a kibbutz in the north of Israel.

Lance will now become Manager of the JewishGen Yizkor Book
Project, which was originally fostered by Joyce Field, and
recently stewarded by Avraham Groll. Lance sees this new
role as an opportunity to apply his gained experience and
contacts in keeping this important project going forward.

I would also like to offer special thanks to Avraham Groll
for volunteering to manage the Yizkor Book Project during
the transition period and ensuring its continued success.

Please join me in congratulating Nolan and Lance in their
new responsibilities.

A list of JewishGen's officers and key volunteers
can be found at:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/FactSheet.htm >.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Managing Director, JewishGen
< wblatt@jewishgen.org >


Hungary SIG #Hungary JewishGen volunteer promotions - Nolan Altman and Lance Ackerfeld #hungary

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

I'm very pleased to announce two promotions within the
JewishGen volunteer community. Nolan Altman is now
JewishGen's Vice-President for Data Acquisition, and
Lance Ackerfeld is the new Manager of the JewishGen
Yizkor Book Project.

Nolan Altman, a New York CPA, is currently the president
of NTA Consulting, a financial services consulting firm
specializing in hedge fund and asset management firms.
He currently serves on a number of hedge fund and
philanthropic boards.

Nolan was bit by the "genealogy bug" when he was inspired
to write his family history in 1996 in memory of his mother.
As Coordinator for JewishGen's Holocaust Database and the
JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR) projects,
Nolan works with volunteers >from around the world helping
to grow both databases. He has made presentations and
conducted computer workshops at the IAJGS annual conferences.
He continues to present seminars to adult and continuing
education classes as well as university Holocaust and
European history classes. Nolan has had articles published
in Avotaynu, Dorot, Stammbaum, Shemot and the FEEFHS Journal.
He is a Board member and Treasurer of the JGS of Long Island,
where he coordinates their Yearbook Project, and is a member
of the JGS of NY.

Lance Ackerfeld's first contact with JewishGen was in 1997,
when he began by using the site to search for clues to his
family's past in Poland. That year he responded to a request
to find someone in the Israeli phone book. As a result of that
email, he began assisting the JewishGen Yizkor Book Project as
a Permissions Coordinator in finding landsmanshaftn in Israel,
and explaining to them why it was important to place the
translations of this precious material on the Internet.

With a background in computing - his day job being in software
development and database programming - he has coordinated the
Yizkor Book Project's web pages since 1999, managing a small
but highly dedicated and talented team of HTML'ers.

Lance was born in Australia, and now lives with his family
in a kibbutz in the north of Israel.

Lance will now become Manager of the JewishGen Yizkor Book
Project, which was originally fostered by Joyce Field, and
recently stewarded by Avraham Groll. Lance sees this new
role as an opportunity to apply his gained experience and
contacts in keeping this important project going forward.

I would also like to offer special thanks to Avraham Groll
for volunteering to manage the Yizkor Book Project during
the transition period and ensuring its continued success.

Please join me in congratulating Nolan and Lance in their
new responsibilities.

A list of JewishGen's officers and key volunteers
can be found at:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/FactSheet.htm >.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Managing Director, JewishGen
< wblatt@jewishgen.org >


Re: Mark Coleman (formerly Marks Levy) Barmitzvah #general

Miriam Delorie <MiriamD@...>
 

Good morning, After many years of research on my father (Mark Coleman) and
his immediate family and just not finding the information I need, I
thought to maybe try any records of my father's barmitzvah which I am
presuming he must have had and am also presuming that as he was born in
Whitchapel, that his barmitzvah must have taken place in that area.
Would anybody be able to direct me to which site I must try and
research, ie. The Jewish Chronicle ? Would anyone have this email
address pse ?
Many thanks
Miriam Delorie (nee Coleman)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Mark Coleman (formerly Marks Levy) Barmitzvah #general

Miriam Delorie <MiriamD@...>
 

Good morning, After many years of research on my father (Mark Coleman) and
his immediate family and just not finding the information I need, I
thought to maybe try any records of my father's barmitzvah which I am
presuming he must have had and am also presuming that as he was born in
Whitchapel, that his barmitzvah must have taken place in that area.
Would anybody be able to direct me to which site I must try and
research, ie. The Jewish Chronicle ? Would anyone have this email
address pse ?
Many thanks
Miriam Delorie (nee Coleman)


PSA orders #general

Avraham Y. Kahana
 

Hello genners,
I am about to order PSA records >from the following archives. If anyone
is in need of records >from any of these, let me know and I'll try to
include them in my order.

- Mlawa (branch of Warsaw)
- Siedlce
- Lodz
- Lomza (branch of Bialystok)
- Lowicz (branch of Warsaw)
- Lublin
- Sandomierz (branch of Kielce)
- Pultusk (branch of Warsaw)
- Radom
- Bialystok
- Grodzisk Mazowiecki (branch of Warsaw)

Best,
Avraham Yehoshua Kahana
Israel

Seeking:

KAHANA, KANO, MANDELBAUM, FINKELSZTEJN [Zychlin, Wiskitki, Gniewoszow,
Gora Kalwaria], SOCHACZEWSKI, LANGNAS [Lodz], SZCZUCINER/SZCECINER
[Wyszogrod,Lowicz], MILLER, CHERSZKOWICZ, KREL [Lowicz] SKROBEK
[Zychlin], AJZENBERG [Wyszogrod], HORCHSTEIN [Warszawa],CUKIERKORN
[Wiskitki,Warszawa], WAJCMAN [Wyszogrod, Wiskitki], FRYDRYCH
[Wiskitki], GIVERTS and FRAIMAN [Kishinev, Kalarash] ROZMARIN,


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen PSA orders #general

Avraham Y. Kahana
 

Hello genners,
I am about to order PSA records >from the following archives. If anyone
is in need of records >from any of these, let me know and I'll try to
include them in my order.

- Mlawa (branch of Warsaw)
- Siedlce
- Lodz
- Lomza (branch of Bialystok)
- Lowicz (branch of Warsaw)
- Lublin
- Sandomierz (branch of Kielce)
- Pultusk (branch of Warsaw)
- Radom
- Bialystok
- Grodzisk Mazowiecki (branch of Warsaw)

Best,
Avraham Yehoshua Kahana
Israel

Seeking:

KAHANA, KANO, MANDELBAUM, FINKELSZTEJN [Zychlin, Wiskitki, Gniewoszow,
Gora Kalwaria], SOCHACZEWSKI, LANGNAS [Lodz], SZCZUCINER/SZCECINER
[Wyszogrod,Lowicz], MILLER, CHERSZKOWICZ, KREL [Lowicz] SKROBEK
[Zychlin], AJZENBERG [Wyszogrod], HORCHSTEIN [Warszawa],CUKIERKORN
[Wiskitki,Warszawa], WAJCMAN [Wyszogrod, Wiskitki], FRYDRYCH
[Wiskitki], GIVERTS and FRAIMAN [Kishinev, Kalarash] ROZMARIN,


Hyman CLARK #general

SandyR <sbr19@...>
 

Help
I am trying to find the emigration records of Hyman CLARK.
According to his petition for Naturalization, he came to America March 20
1888, and was born September 2, 1866 in Emp. of Germany.
It also gives his Port of Arrival as NYNY.
I was hoping to find the records to see if there is any vital information on
the manifest.

SANDY ROTH
Monsey NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hyman CLARK #general

SandyR <sbr19@...>
 

Help
I am trying to find the emigration records of Hyman CLARK.
According to his petition for Naturalization, he came to America March 20
1888, and was born September 2, 1866 in Emp. of Germany.
It also gives his Port of Arrival as NYNY.
I was hoping to find the records to see if there is any vital information on
the manifest.

SANDY ROTH
Monsey NY


PSA orders #poland

Avraham Y. Kahana
 

I am about to order PSA records >from the following archives. If anyone
is in need of records >from any of these, let me know and I'll try to
include them in my order.

- MLAWA (branch of Warsaw)
- SIEDLCE
- LODZ
- LOMZA (branch of Bialystok)
- LOWICZ (branch of Warsaw)
- LUBLIN
- SANDOMIERZ (branch of Kielce)
- PULTUSK (branch of Warsaw)
- RADOM
- BIALYSTOK
- GRODZISK MAZOWIECKI (branch of Warsaw)

Best,
Avraham Yehoshua Kahana
Israel

Seeking:

KAHANA, KANO, MANDELBAUM, FINKELSZTEJN [Zychlin, Wiskitki, Gniewoszow,
Gora Kalwaria], SOCHACZEWSKI, LANGNAS [Lodz], SZCZUCINER/SZCECINER
[Wyszogrod,Lowicz], MILLER, CHERSZKOWICZ, KREL [Lowicz] SKROBEK
[Zychlin], AJZENBERG [Wyszogrod], HORCHSTEIN [Warszawa],CUKIERKORN
[Wiskitki,Warszawa], WAJCMAN [Wyszogrod, Wiskitki], FRYDRYCH
[Wiskitki], GIVERTS and FRAIMAN [Kishinev, Kalarash] ROZMARIN,
SCHECHTMAN [Sokiryany(Secureni)], BERENSHTEYN [Sokiryany, Briceva],
TZIPERSHTEYN [Lipcani, Kitay Gorod], KOIFMAN, TRACHTENBERG,
VAISENBERG, BARAFF [Romankovsty/Romancauti] VAYNSHTEYN
[Secureni/Bessarabia]

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland PSA orders #poland

Avraham Y. Kahana
 

I am about to order PSA records >from the following archives. If anyone
is in need of records >from any of these, let me know and I'll try to
include them in my order.

- MLAWA (branch of Warsaw)
- SIEDLCE
- LODZ
- LOMZA (branch of Bialystok)
- LOWICZ (branch of Warsaw)
- LUBLIN
- SANDOMIERZ (branch of Kielce)
- PULTUSK (branch of Warsaw)
- RADOM
- BIALYSTOK
- GRODZISK MAZOWIECKI (branch of Warsaw)

Best,
Avraham Yehoshua Kahana
Israel

Seeking:

KAHANA, KANO, MANDELBAUM, FINKELSZTEJN [Zychlin, Wiskitki, Gniewoszow,
Gora Kalwaria], SOCHACZEWSKI, LANGNAS [Lodz], SZCZUCINER/SZCECINER
[Wyszogrod,Lowicz], MILLER, CHERSZKOWICZ, KREL [Lowicz] SKROBEK
[Zychlin], AJZENBERG [Wyszogrod], HORCHSTEIN [Warszawa],CUKIERKORN
[Wiskitki,Warszawa], WAJCMAN [Wyszogrod, Wiskitki], FRYDRYCH
[Wiskitki], GIVERTS and FRAIMAN [Kishinev, Kalarash] ROZMARIN,
SCHECHTMAN [Sokiryany(Secureni)], BERENSHTEYN [Sokiryany, Briceva],
TZIPERSHTEYN [Lipcani, Kitay Gorod], KOIFMAN, TRACHTENBERG,
VAISENBERG, BARAFF [Romankovsty/Romancauti] VAYNSHTEYN
[Secureni/Bessarabia]

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


SEARCHING DESCENDANTS OF MINNIE PERKELWALD #poland

wald <maxwald@...>
 

Am Searching for descendants of Minnie Perkelwald.

According to 1930 Census of New York (Borough of Brooklyn)
She was 50 years old at the time.
She had a son David aged 26, a 2nd son Nathan aged 23 and a
daughter Anna aged 19.
As far as I can ascertain, there was no father at the time. Census
states she was married at the age of 16 in Poland.

As this was my late father's surname, I am trying to find any
connections to find out about the Perkelwalds. My family name
is now WALD


Please respond directly to maxwald@bigpond.net.au

Max Wald
PORT MELBOURNE
VIC AUSTRALIA
PORT MELBOURNE=20


JRI Poland #Poland SEARCHING DESCENDANTS OF MINNIE PERKELWALD #poland

wald <maxwald@...>
 

Am Searching for descendants of Minnie Perkelwald.

According to 1930 Census of New York (Borough of Brooklyn)
She was 50 years old at the time.
She had a son David aged 26, a 2nd son Nathan aged 23 and a
daughter Anna aged 19.
As far as I can ascertain, there was no father at the time. Census
states she was married at the age of 16 in Poland.

As this was my late father's surname, I am trying to find any
connections to find out about the Perkelwalds. My family name
is now WALD


Please respond directly to maxwald@bigpond.net.au

Max Wald
PORT MELBOURNE
VIC AUSTRALIA
PORT MELBOURNE=20


Russian Translation of Polish/Russian Birth and Death Records Viewmate 13002, 13003, 13004 #poland

Susan Weinberg
 

I'd appreciate if anyone can decipher information >from three records that I
recently got >from the Radom Archives. I have posted them on Viewmate and
they will be up for the next seven days:

13002 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13002

I believe this record is my great-great grandfather's death record. It
is for Josek Rubinsztajn >from Radom, Poland in 1881. There were two
Josek Rubinsztajns born in 1882 and one I know is family, which leads
me to believe this is likely the person that they were named after. I'm
especially interested in his age and if his spouse Laia is named or
parents and other survivors.

13003 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13003

I know this is the death record >from 1904 of my great-great grandmother who
I believe was born in Radom, Poland around 1812. I'm especially interested
in whether an age is given and if I'm reading the first name of the Weinberg
witness correctly as Leib Sana. I'd also be interested in whether it
mentions any relationship with the Weinberg witness. Her parents are
correctly given as David and Sura Bekierman.

13004 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13004

This is the record of one of the Josek Rubinsteins born in 1882 in Radom. I
think his mother's name is Raezla Huberman, but could not make out the
father's name (possibly Chaim). I am also trying to decipher the first name
of the Weinberg witness and if it states any relationship.

Susan Weinberg
Edina, Minnesota

Poland: WAJNBERG, ROZENBERG RUBINSZTAJN, BAUMZECER, DREZNER, BEKIERMAN from
Radom & Sienno
Belarus: RAICHEL, ZINGER, SCHER, GOLD, LIEBOWITZ >from Dunilowicz & Glebokie
Ukraine: KISHLANSKY, SCHIECHER >from Kamenetz Podolsk & Chotin

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JRI Poland #Poland Russian Translation of Polish/Russian Birth and Death Records Viewmate 13002, 13003, 13004 #poland

Susan Weinberg
 

I'd appreciate if anyone can decipher information >from three records that I
recently got >from the Radom Archives. I have posted them on Viewmate and
they will be up for the next seven days:

13002 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13002

I believe this record is my great-great grandfather's death record. It
is for Josek Rubinsztajn >from Radom, Poland in 1881. There were two
Josek Rubinsztajns born in 1882 and one I know is family, which leads
me to believe this is likely the person that they were named after. I'm
especially interested in his age and if his spouse Laia is named or
parents and other survivors.

13003 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13003

I know this is the death record >from 1904 of my great-great grandmother who
I believe was born in Radom, Poland around 1812. I'm especially interested
in whether an age is given and if I'm reading the first name of the Weinberg
witness correctly as Leib Sana. I'd also be interested in whether it
mentions any relationship with the Weinberg witness. Her parents are
correctly given as David and Sura Bekierman.

13004 http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13004

This is the record of one of the Josek Rubinsteins born in 1882 in Radom. I
think his mother's name is Raezla Huberman, but could not make out the
father's name (possibly Chaim). I am also trying to decipher the first name
of the Weinberg witness and if it states any relationship.

Susan Weinberg
Edina, Minnesota

Poland: WAJNBERG, ROZENBERG RUBINSZTAJN, BAUMZECER, DREZNER, BEKIERMAN from
Radom & Sienno
Belarus: RAICHEL, ZINGER, SCHER, GOLD, LIEBOWITZ >from Dunilowicz & Glebokie
Ukraine: KISHLANSKY, SCHIECHER >from Kamenetz Podolsk & Chotin

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Re: KOPYTO Sent to Vilnius Orphanage #poland

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

Anne (or anyone else with access to this orphanage information)
This is a long shot but the shtetlach names you mention hit close to
home, along with the S. African link.

Were there any ROZENSZTEJN children listed? I am searching for children
who lived in Kenigsberg and presumably moved in with family in Janowa
after their parents died. The father Aharon R was a wine merchant in
Kenigsberg. One son, name unknown, supposedly moved to S. Africa. Another
went to London (David R), Naftali R stayed in Poland as did a fourth
brother (name unknown).

Best,
Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ

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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: KOPYTO Sent to Vilnius Orphanage #lithuania

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

Anne (or anyone else with access to this orphanage information)
This is a long shot but the shtetlach names you mention hit close to
home, along with the S. African link.

Were there any ROZENSZTEJN children listed? I am searching for children
who lived in Kenigsberg and presumably moved in with family in Janowa
after their parents died. The father Aharon R was a wine merchant in
Kenigsberg. One son, name unknown, supposedly moved to S. Africa. Another
went to London (David R), Naftali R stayed in Poland as did a fourth
brother (name unknown).

Best,
Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ

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information. Suggestions for how to find orphanage information or
other information that may help in Marty's search may be shared with
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