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KAUPER and ISAACS families in the Neterlands, c. 1837 #general

Laurel Presser
 

Hello fellow researchers,

I'm trying to help a friend who is relatively new to the world of genealogy, has
just begun researching the Jewish side of her family, and is trying to find some
information about some ancestors who were supposedly born in the Netherlands.
This is the only information that she has:

John ISAACS and Adele KAUPER were married in approximately 1837, supposedly in
Holland and perhaps in Reusel De Mierdan, Noord Brebant. Their eldest child,
Abraham, was also believed to have been born in the Netherlands. John would
have been about 23 years old and Adele about 21 at the time of their marriage.
Abraham would have been born between 1837-1838.

By the time of the 1841 UK census the family is living in England, and their
second child, 1-year-old Emanuel, had been born in England. The family remained
in England after that.

My friend has also been told that Adele was said to have been an opera singer,
but she has no idea if this is true.

Not much information to go on, I'm afraid. She has tried looking at websites
that relate to Dutch genealogy, but has not yet had any success is finding
information.

Any guidance, suggestions, or actual information about this family would be
greatly appreciated.

Laurel Presser
Manalapan, New Jersey


Mt. Moriah Cemetery, Fair View, NJ #general

Alan Steinfeld
 

Hi,
I need a photograph of a gravestone at Mount Moriah Cemetery in Fair
View, NJ. If you can help, please contact me privately.

Alan Steinfeld
alansteinfeld@verizon.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen KAUPER and ISAACS families in the Neterlands, c. 1837 #general

Laurel Presser
 

Hello fellow researchers,

I'm trying to help a friend who is relatively new to the world of genealogy, has
just begun researching the Jewish side of her family, and is trying to find some
information about some ancestors who were supposedly born in the Netherlands.
This is the only information that she has:

John ISAACS and Adele KAUPER were married in approximately 1837, supposedly in
Holland and perhaps in Reusel De Mierdan, Noord Brebant. Their eldest child,
Abraham, was also believed to have been born in the Netherlands. John would
have been about 23 years old and Adele about 21 at the time of their marriage.
Abraham would have been born between 1837-1838.

By the time of the 1841 UK census the family is living in England, and their
second child, 1-year-old Emanuel, had been born in England. The family remained
in England after that.

My friend has also been told that Adele was said to have been an opera singer,
but she has no idea if this is true.

Not much information to go on, I'm afraid. She has tried looking at websites
that relate to Dutch genealogy, but has not yet had any success is finding
information.

Any guidance, suggestions, or actual information about this family would be
greatly appreciated.

Laurel Presser
Manalapan, New Jersey


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mt. Moriah Cemetery, Fair View, NJ #general

Alan Steinfeld
 

Hi,
I need a photograph of a gravestone at Mount Moriah Cemetery in Fair
View, NJ. If you can help, please contact me privately.

Alan Steinfeld
alansteinfeld@verizon.net


Vienna Transport 27 on 14 June 1942 #austria-czech

Ittai Hershman
 

I am wondering if anyone has the images of "Deportation List of Migration
Transport 27" of 14 June 1942 >from Vienna?

According to Yad Va'Shem, the images are available >from the US Holocaust
Museum. I was not able to find them online and I thought I would ask here
prior to writing USHMM to request it.

The list is 35 pages in alphabetical order; I am seeking an image of the
page with FANIA (FEIGA) TRACHTENBERG (deportation date as per the Yad Vashem
POT filed by her late son in 1993).

Ittai Hershman


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Vienna Transport 27 on 14 June 1942 #austria-czech

Ittai Hershman
 

I am wondering if anyone has the images of "Deportation List of Migration
Transport 27" of 14 June 1942 >from Vienna?

According to Yad Va'Shem, the images are available >from the US Holocaust
Museum. I was not able to find them online and I thought I would ask here
prior to writing USHMM to request it.

The list is 35 pages in alphabetical order; I am seeking an image of the
page with FANIA (FEIGA) TRACHTENBERG (deportation date as per the Yad Vashem
POT filed by her late son in 1993).

Ittai Hershman


JGLSA - September 28 - Lisa Kudrow & "Who Do You Think You Are?" #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

A reminder for those of you living in the Los Angeles area:

Next week, the Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles will present an
evening with Lisa Kudrow, who will screen her episode of the new US genealogical
television series, "Who Do You Think You Are?"

A lively Q & A will take place after the screening where Ms. Kudrow will be
joined by two producer/researchers >from the show, Alexandra Orton and Anna
Kirkwood.

Tuesday, September 28, 2010 - 7:30PM
Magnin Auditorium, Skirball Cultural Center
2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd. Los Angeles 90049

Reservations are required. RSVP to programs@jgsla2010.com

Members are free, guests $5. Door prize provided by Ancestry. com! Complete
details available at: http://www.jgsla.org/Mtg_2010-09-28.htm

Pamela Weisberger
Program Chair, JGSLA
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com
http://www.jgsla.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGLSA - September 28 - Lisa Kudrow & "Who Do You Think You Are?" #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

A reminder for those of you living in the Los Angeles area:

Next week, the Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles will present an
evening with Lisa Kudrow, who will screen her episode of the new US genealogical
television series, "Who Do You Think You Are?"

A lively Q & A will take place after the screening where Ms. Kudrow will be
joined by two producer/researchers >from the show, Alexandra Orton and Anna
Kirkwood.

Tuesday, September 28, 2010 - 7:30PM
Magnin Auditorium, Skirball Cultural Center
2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd. Los Angeles 90049

Reservations are required. RSVP to programs@jgsla2010.com

Members are free, guests $5. Door prize provided by Ancestry. com! Complete
details available at: http://www.jgsla.org/Mtg_2010-09-28.htm

Pamela Weisberger
Program Chair, JGSLA
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com
http://www.jgsla.org


Re: REINHARDT - Thank you! #germany

Elizabeth Jackson
 

I would like to thank all those who responded to my recent quiry about the name
REINHARDT. I have responded to individuals privately, but want to remind
everyone how wonderful our groups are at helping each other. Thank you!

Elizabeth Jackson, Muskegon, Michigan, USA cattheater@yahoo.com


German SIG #Germany Re: REINHARDT - Thank you! #germany

Elizabeth Jackson
 

I would like to thank all those who responded to my recent quiry about the name
REINHARDT. I have responded to individuals privately, but want to remind
everyone how wonderful our groups are at helping each other. Thank you!

Elizabeth Jackson, Muskegon, Michigan, USA cattheater@yahoo.com


Family surname puzzle. #lithuania

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Hi - I have a question regarding my Lithuanian ancestors who lived in
the latter half of the 1800s. What happens in the case where young
children lose their parents at an early age, and are taken in my another
family? Would they have taken the surname of the new family, or would
they have kept their original surname? Here's are the specifics:

My grandfather was born in Lithuania in 1869, and his last name was
London. His father's name was Moses London. His mother died young, and
his father remarried. When my grandfather was old enough, he was sent
away to be an apprentice, and then eventually went to America in 1889.
Two children were born >from the second marriage, but the parents died
when they were young. I've luckily been able to find these 2 children
listed in the Lithuanian revision list for 1887. They are part of
another family, with the last name of Dembovsky. They are 10 and 4 at
the time, and both are listed as sister and brother to the head of the
family, who is a man that is 44 years old. They all have the name
Israel listed as their father, who is deceased. This man who is head of
the family, is married, and has his own young children. While it's
theoretically possible that this man was a sibling to my young
relatives, I suspect that this is likely inot the case. Perhaps there
was some reason (legal or otherwise) for declaring them to be direct
relatives to the government? Did they even have the term niece and
nephew on the revision lists, for relatives in a family?

In any event, the real puzzle comes when these other 2 siblings arrive
in the US. The younger brother arrives in 1902, gives his last name as
London. The sister was married in Russia, where her father's name is
listed as Israel Dembrovsky. She moves to England, her husband dies,
she remarries, and again gives the same name for her father. However,
when she immigrates to the US in 1906, she claims to be a sister of the
younger London brother that arrived in 1902. But are they really
Londons or not? When the brother gets married, he gives Israel London
as his father's name, which doesn't match the name that my grandfather
states as being his father. Yet, the children of these 2 London
families are brought up with the belief that they did have the same
father. So there is confusion.

There was also confusion for the sister's family, because I tracked down
marriage certificates >from the 1930s for 2 of her children, and one
child put down London for their mother's maiden name, while another
child puts down the name Dembrovsky. These marriages occurred at least
a decade after the sister's family had moved away >from the other 2
London families. There was little contact (if at all) with the 2 London
brother families. So there was no reason to keep up any facade, if
London name wasn't somehow part of their heritage. Yet it somehow
survived. When the sister died, while Israel is listed ono her
gravestone as being Israel, I'm pretty sure London is listed as her
maiden name on her death certificate.

Could my grandfather have had his father's name wrong? A possibility.
However, my grandfather was known to be a stickler when it came to
Jewish names being wrong. But if he was wrong, then the other brother
should have corrected him after he arrived in America. Yet my
grandfather never changed his claim.

Unfortunately, there are no records in the Lithuanian databases for my
grandfather's London family. So I'm left with simply trying to guess
what all of this means.

Mark London


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Family surname puzzle. #lithuania

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Hi - I have a question regarding my Lithuanian ancestors who lived in
the latter half of the 1800s. What happens in the case where young
children lose their parents at an early age, and are taken in my another
family? Would they have taken the surname of the new family, or would
they have kept their original surname? Here's are the specifics:

My grandfather was born in Lithuania in 1869, and his last name was
London. His father's name was Moses London. His mother died young, and
his father remarried. When my grandfather was old enough, he was sent
away to be an apprentice, and then eventually went to America in 1889.
Two children were born >from the second marriage, but the parents died
when they were young. I've luckily been able to find these 2 children
listed in the Lithuanian revision list for 1887. They are part of
another family, with the last name of Dembovsky. They are 10 and 4 at
the time, and both are listed as sister and brother to the head of the
family, who is a man that is 44 years old. They all have the name
Israel listed as their father, who is deceased. This man who is head of
the family, is married, and has his own young children. While it's
theoretically possible that this man was a sibling to my young
relatives, I suspect that this is likely inot the case. Perhaps there
was some reason (legal or otherwise) for declaring them to be direct
relatives to the government? Did they even have the term niece and
nephew on the revision lists, for relatives in a family?

In any event, the real puzzle comes when these other 2 siblings arrive
in the US. The younger brother arrives in 1902, gives his last name as
London. The sister was married in Russia, where her father's name is
listed as Israel Dembrovsky. She moves to England, her husband dies,
she remarries, and again gives the same name for her father. However,
when she immigrates to the US in 1906, she claims to be a sister of the
younger London brother that arrived in 1902. But are they really
Londons or not? When the brother gets married, he gives Israel London
as his father's name, which doesn't match the name that my grandfather
states as being his father. Yet, the children of these 2 London
families are brought up with the belief that they did have the same
father. So there is confusion.

There was also confusion for the sister's family, because I tracked down
marriage certificates >from the 1930s for 2 of her children, and one
child put down London for their mother's maiden name, while another
child puts down the name Dembrovsky. These marriages occurred at least
a decade after the sister's family had moved away >from the other 2
London families. There was little contact (if at all) with the 2 London
brother families. So there was no reason to keep up any facade, if
London name wasn't somehow part of their heritage. Yet it somehow
survived. When the sister died, while Israel is listed ono her
gravestone as being Israel, I'm pretty sure London is listed as her
maiden name on her death certificate.

Could my grandfather have had his father's name wrong? A possibility.
However, my grandfather was known to be a stickler when it came to
Jewish names being wrong. But if he was wrong, then the other brother
should have corrected him after he arrived in America. Yet my
grandfather never changed his claim.

Unfortunately, there are no records in the Lithuanian databases for my
grandfather's London family. So I'm left with simply trying to guess
what all of this means.

Mark London


GAMBURG/Family lists #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

Question - From: paulettebron@aol.com
<< I have a question about the Vilnius Archives. How was the data collected
by the census takers? Did they go house to house and later organize families
by name and registration number? >>

That is a question we may never know the complete answer to. Bear in mind
that revision lists and family lists in the Russian Empire covered a period
of years and was not a snapshot of facts that existed on any particular
day. The only exception to this was the 1897 Census of the Russian Empire.
On the Linkuva 1883 Family List, my maternal grandparents are listed
together with their six children. My grandparents were married in 1885. The
children were born between 1886 and 1896. The entire family is also listed
in the Linkuva 1908 Family List. They left Linkuva in 1899 and, in 1908,
were living in Baltimore, Md.

Question - << How could 15 and 16 year old young men be heads of households?
There were no other family members listed with these two young men. Could
this data indicate that the two boys lived together? Are addresses mentioned
on original documents? >>

The oldest family member was listed as the head of household. If their
registration number was the same, that indicated they lived together.
Sometimes addresses are mentioned and sometimes not.

Question - << I have a similar question about the Kaunas Regional Archives.
I found five GAMBURG families (KRA/I-211/1/78), registration numbers 594,
595, 596, 597 and 598, all with former registration numbers 177/165 on
pages 262, 263 and 264. I also found two GAMBURG families (KRA/I-211/1/78)
registration numbers 592 and 593, former registration numbers 177/164,
page 261. Could the 177/165 and 177/164 families be related? >>

Different registration numbers indicated they did not live together. They
may, or may not have been related. Also, they may have been related but not
in the same immediate family. Same registration numbers could indicate they
lived together and were members of the same family. Example - in an
earlier census, the family may have consisted of parents and three sons, all
living together, members of the same family and with the same registration
number. In a later census, the parents and each son may have been living
separately, each with their own families. Each family would have had a
different registration number.

This is an example of why it is important to obtain as many records as
possible so family relationships can be established.

Howard Margol
LitvakSIG Coordinator for Records Acquisition


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania GAMBURG/Family lists #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

Question - From: paulettebron@aol.com
<< I have a question about the Vilnius Archives. How was the data collected
by the census takers? Did they go house to house and later organize families
by name and registration number? >>

That is a question we may never know the complete answer to. Bear in mind
that revision lists and family lists in the Russian Empire covered a period
of years and was not a snapshot of facts that existed on any particular
day. The only exception to this was the 1897 Census of the Russian Empire.
On the Linkuva 1883 Family List, my maternal grandparents are listed
together with their six children. My grandparents were married in 1885. The
children were born between 1886 and 1896. The entire family is also listed
in the Linkuva 1908 Family List. They left Linkuva in 1899 and, in 1908,
were living in Baltimore, Md.

Question - << How could 15 and 16 year old young men be heads of households?
There were no other family members listed with these two young men. Could
this data indicate that the two boys lived together? Are addresses mentioned
on original documents? >>

The oldest family member was listed as the head of household. If their
registration number was the same, that indicated they lived together.
Sometimes addresses are mentioned and sometimes not.

Question - << I have a similar question about the Kaunas Regional Archives.
I found five GAMBURG families (KRA/I-211/1/78), registration numbers 594,
595, 596, 597 and 598, all with former registration numbers 177/165 on
pages 262, 263 and 264. I also found two GAMBURG families (KRA/I-211/1/78)
registration numbers 592 and 593, former registration numbers 177/164,
page 261. Could the 177/165 and 177/164 families be related? >>

Different registration numbers indicated they did not live together. They
may, or may not have been related. Also, they may have been related but not
in the same immediate family. Same registration numbers could indicate they
lived together and were members of the same family. Example - in an
earlier census, the family may have consisted of parents and three sons, all
living together, members of the same family and with the same registration
number. In a later census, the parents and each son may have been living
separately, each with their own families. Each family would have had a
different registration number.

This is an example of why it is important to obtain as many records as
possible so family relationships can be established.

Howard Margol
LitvakSIG Coordinator for Records Acquisition


Request for help from fellow members about wartime documents. #lithuania

chayakat@...
 

Dear fellow members, i am turning to you in the hope that in your researches
you might have come across the documents i will describe, or have any thread
of information.

My late fathers family came >from Videshok (Vidiskai) in the Wilkomir
(Ukmerge/Vilkomir) area -- very close by. After the war my aunt received
a letter >from the local priest about what happened (confirmed by
the late faygeh rotshtein(vald)/moshe sadevitz who fled to russia/and a
letter >from cuba >from an aunt). One aunt,Shaina Rivka Lot was caught trying
to escape and shot on the first day of the war in her yard. Our sainted
grandmother Chasya Faygeh Katz together with her 15 year old grandson, my
cousin Avrohom Lot were shot and buried alive with all the Vilkomir area
martyrs. Avrohom's sister Raizel Vald lost a child and husband and was taken
with 9 other beautiful young Jewish girls to Vilkomir prison where they were
tortured and raped for some time and then executed.

After the war documents were found which had lists of the murdered Jews and
other information.They were located in the Jewish Museum in Vilna. Later
the Communist regime confiscated this and much other material.

Please,is there anyone out there who knows the fate of these
documents?? where can they be accessed? Is there any record at all anywhere
and >from anyone at all about Videsiek(Vidiskai/Videshok)and the people
mentioned and incidents described-in fact anything at all about the
place??? Lastly is there any record of the names and details about the
vilkomirer area martyrs in any place.???

I grew up among the south african litvaks and videsiek landsleit. The whole
story has not given us any rest all these years--anything would help us have
some peace.Please help if you can.

Thanks in advance.

Rabbi Menachem Mendal Katz.
Kfar Haroeh.38955.Israel.
Please reply personally.Also:
chayakat@netvision.net.il


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Request for help from fellow members about wartime documents. #lithuania

chayakat@...
 

Dear fellow members, i am turning to you in the hope that in your researches
you might have come across the documents i will describe, or have any thread
of information.

My late fathers family came >from Videshok (Vidiskai) in the Wilkomir
(Ukmerge/Vilkomir) area -- very close by. After the war my aunt received
a letter >from the local priest about what happened (confirmed by
the late faygeh rotshtein(vald)/moshe sadevitz who fled to russia/and a
letter >from cuba >from an aunt). One aunt,Shaina Rivka Lot was caught trying
to escape and shot on the first day of the war in her yard. Our sainted
grandmother Chasya Faygeh Katz together with her 15 year old grandson, my
cousin Avrohom Lot were shot and buried alive with all the Vilkomir area
martyrs. Avrohom's sister Raizel Vald lost a child and husband and was taken
with 9 other beautiful young Jewish girls to Vilkomir prison where they were
tortured and raped for some time and then executed.

After the war documents were found which had lists of the murdered Jews and
other information.They were located in the Jewish Museum in Vilna. Later
the Communist regime confiscated this and much other material.

Please,is there anyone out there who knows the fate of these
documents?? where can they be accessed? Is there any record at all anywhere
and >from anyone at all about Videsiek(Vidiskai/Videshok)and the people
mentioned and incidents described-in fact anything at all about the
place??? Lastly is there any record of the names and details about the
vilkomirer area martyrs in any place.???

I grew up among the south african litvaks and videsiek landsleit. The whole
story has not given us any rest all these years--anything would help us have
some peace.Please help if you can.

Thanks in advance.

Rabbi Menachem Mendal Katz.
Kfar Haroeh.38955.Israel.
Please reply personally.Also:
chayakat@netvision.net.il


IT amd burials in Israel #poland

rosef@...
 

This is a synopsis of an announcement in the newspapers in Israel.

Chevra Kadisha, Israel's burial society, has never known a recession,
which naturally makes sense, as death never takes a vacation.

Over the past few months, the burial society has invested significant
resources in upgrading its technological services, in the hopes of
helping those looking for a loved one's final resting place to find it
more easily.

"In the last couple of months we have developed an SMS grave-locator
system," Yossi Zrock, head of Chevra Kadisha IT Services, told Yedioth
Ahronoth.

"If, for example, you've arrived at a cemetery and you don't know
where the gravestone is, text the name of the deceased to *4664 and
directions will be sent to you within seconds."

Chevra Kadisha, he added, is currently developing a GPS grave-locater
system for mobile phones. "Such technologies are required for the
bigger cemeteries, like the one in Holon, which has over 220,000
graves. People can get lost."

Soon, Zrock promised, cemetery goers will be able to rent a PDA upon
arrival, for only NIS 20 (about $5.3). The device will lead them
directly to the desired gravestone and will allow them, en route, to
view photos of the deceased, read about his life and access the
required prayers.

For full story see http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3955283,00.html

Hag Sameach

Rose Feldman
IGS webmistress
http://www.isragen.org.il
keep up to date on archives, databases and genealogy in general with
http://twitter.com/isragen


JRI Poland #Poland IT amd burials in Israel #poland

rosef@...
 

This is a synopsis of an announcement in the newspapers in Israel.

Chevra Kadisha, Israel's burial society, has never known a recession,
which naturally makes sense, as death never takes a vacation.

Over the past few months, the burial society has invested significant
resources in upgrading its technological services, in the hopes of
helping those looking for a loved one's final resting place to find it
more easily.

"In the last couple of months we have developed an SMS grave-locator
system," Yossi Zrock, head of Chevra Kadisha IT Services, told Yedioth
Ahronoth.

"If, for example, you've arrived at a cemetery and you don't know
where the gravestone is, text the name of the deceased to *4664 and
directions will be sent to you within seconds."

Chevra Kadisha, he added, is currently developing a GPS grave-locater
system for mobile phones. "Such technologies are required for the
bigger cemeteries, like the one in Holon, which has over 220,000
graves. People can get lost."

Soon, Zrock promised, cemetery goers will be able to rent a PDA upon
arrival, for only NIS 20 (about $5.3). The device will lead them
directly to the desired gravestone and will allow them, en route, to
view photos of the deceased, read about his life and access the
required prayers.

For full story see http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3955283,00.html

Hag Sameach

Rose Feldman
IGS webmistress
http://www.isragen.org.il
keep up to date on archives, databases and genealogy in general with
http://twitter.com/isragen


Alternate Surnames #poland

Sam <sam.macilroy@...>
 

My great-grandfather Max Adler was born in Nurzec, near Bocki in
1908. I have been pretty unsuccessful over the last few years at locating
any records through JRI even though I have dates for his birth and those of
his siblings and his parents. However, I recently found the birth of his
brother-in-law on JRI. His brother in law was Barney Scher, AKA
Reuben Schonofsky, Rubin Schenfsky, Reuben Shnofsky and ultimately in JRI as
Ruwin Szachnowski.

My question is are there as many different variations of the last name
Adler depending on where in Poland you might happen to be located? If so,
does anyone have any suggestions as to the possible variations?

Thanks in advance,
Sam MacIlroy
Sam.macilroy@gmail.com


JRI Poland #Poland Alternate Surnames #poland

Sam <sam.macilroy@...>
 

My great-grandfather Max Adler was born in Nurzec, near Bocki in
1908. I have been pretty unsuccessful over the last few years at locating
any records through JRI even though I have dates for his birth and those of
his siblings and his parents. However, I recently found the birth of his
brother-in-law on JRI. His brother in law was Barney Scher, AKA
Reuben Schonofsky, Rubin Schenfsky, Reuben Shnofsky and ultimately in JRI as
Ruwin Szachnowski.

My question is are there as many different variations of the last name
Adler depending on where in Poland you might happen to be located? If so,
does anyone have any suggestions as to the possible variations?

Thanks in advance,
Sam MacIlroy
Sam.macilroy@gmail.com