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Re: Usefulness of DNA testing in genealogy #dna

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

Marianne Handler asked about the usefulness of DNA testing in genealogy
based on a Telegraph article. If you only looked at the results >from your
test alone, the article is right. For that reason, I would not take any
autosomal testing because I believed the results would not answer any of
the questions that I have. However, I did ordered a test kit for someone
else because it may answer something for that person. Looking at the
results >from any test, one get a series of values that are meaningless by
themselves. For example what does one's blood pressure values mean unless
you are comparing them to some standard. However, there are no standard
values for the results >from any genealogy DNA testing. What one should do
is to use the results as a starting point for more research. If the
results are >from Y or mtDNA testing, an excellent way of starting is to
join the proper haplogroup project(s). (I am a member of 4 Y-haplogroups
projects, J, J2, J2b and J2b_455-8.) FamilyTreeDNA is an excellent place
to find them and for a small fee, one can transfer your information from
other companies to them. By looking at others in the projects, you can
get better time estimates of your common ancestors. For example, I am one
marker off on 37 markers to person X. By using everyone in one haplogroup
project, I discovered that my mutation happened about 600 years ago.
Therefore X would not be very useful for my genealogy. For Ms. Handler's
brother, my suggestion would be the Y-testing at FamilyTreeDNA. This is
because half of his autosomal DNA is the same as her and the results will
show that they match on about 75% of it. (In the upcoming issue of
Avotaynu, I tried to explained to their readers why this is the case.)

Sidney Sachs
Lorton, VA


Descendants of Jacob Isaac RABINOWICZ #rabbinic

Tom Brodersen <tbrodersen@...>
 

My wife Nina C. Perlmutter is a descendant of Jacob Isaac RABINOWICZ
( the Yid Hakodesh, Holy Jew) but we are missing links in the chain
beyond her great-grandparents Nathan Finkelstein & Feigele ? b.
approx. 1868-1878. Any help would be appreciated.

Tom Brodersen
aka Uriel ben Avraham


DNA Research #DNA Re: Usefulness of DNA testing in genealogy #dna

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

Marianne Handler asked about the usefulness of DNA testing in genealogy
based on a Telegraph article. If you only looked at the results >from your
test alone, the article is right. For that reason, I would not take any
autosomal testing because I believed the results would not answer any of
the questions that I have. However, I did ordered a test kit for someone
else because it may answer something for that person. Looking at the
results >from any test, one get a series of values that are meaningless by
themselves. For example what does one's blood pressure values mean unless
you are comparing them to some standard. However, there are no standard
values for the results >from any genealogy DNA testing. What one should do
is to use the results as a starting point for more research. If the
results are >from Y or mtDNA testing, an excellent way of starting is to
join the proper haplogroup project(s). (I am a member of 4 Y-haplogroups
projects, J, J2, J2b and J2b_455-8.) FamilyTreeDNA is an excellent place
to find them and for a small fee, one can transfer your information from
other companies to them. By looking at others in the projects, you can
get better time estimates of your common ancestors. For example, I am one
marker off on 37 markers to person X. By using everyone in one haplogroup
project, I discovered that my mutation happened about 600 years ago.
Therefore X would not be very useful for my genealogy. For Ms. Handler's
brother, my suggestion would be the Y-testing at FamilyTreeDNA. This is
because half of his autosomal DNA is the same as her and the results will
show that they match on about 75% of it. (In the upcoming issue of
Avotaynu, I tried to explained to their readers why this is the case.)

Sidney Sachs
Lorton, VA


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Descendants of Jacob Isaac RABINOWICZ #rabbinic

Tom Brodersen <tbrodersen@...>
 

My wife Nina C. Perlmutter is a descendant of Jacob Isaac RABINOWICZ
( the Yid Hakodesh, Holy Jew) but we are missing links in the chain
beyond her great-grandparents Nathan Finkelstein & Feigele ? b.
approx. 1868-1878. Any help would be appreciated.

Tom Brodersen
aka Uriel ben Avraham


Riglitz Rov Z"L #rabbinic

shimonsporn
 

On behalf of a family I am looking for any information on a
Rabbi of Riglitz (Ryglice, Galicia Poland) who was married to a
Sarah Schreibtafel. They had two daughters Chana and Baila.

thank you

Shimon Sporn
Ramat Beit Shamesh
shimonsporn@yahoo.com


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Riglitz Rov Z"L #rabbinic

shimonsporn
 

On behalf of a family I am looking for any information on a
Rabbi of Riglitz (Ryglice, Galicia Poland) who was married to a
Sarah Schreibtafel. They had two daughters Chana and Baila.

thank you

Shimon Sporn
Ramat Beit Shamesh
shimonsporn@yahoo.com


Help Requested: Deciphering Chelm Land document & translation #poland

Paula & David
 

Hello, I am a relative novice genealogist, who "lucked out" when I
found a document listing land owners in Chelm before WWII. I found
this document at: www.jewish-chelm.org/sites/default/files/pdf.
This is the Chlemer Organization of Israel website.

On page 13 of this document are the names of my maternal GGF, and one
of his sons. , the family last name is FLAKSMAN, first names Sani and
Hersc (or Hersz). They can be found next to number 15a in the second
column. I do not recognize the third name with theirs as a family
member. though, he might have married into the family.

On page 11 of the document is also a listing for a Herc(z?) Flacksman
(different last name spelling) at number 148 in the second column. I
am not sure if the latter is a mis-spelling, or the same person in the
first page.

Can anyone help me understand the writing at the top of the columns, and
how that might enable me to locate where this land is located?
My mother, who came to the US as a very young girl, recalled staying in
the 1920's on the "farm" of her grandfather while waiting for her
father to bring the family to the US, so locating this is very
meaningful to me. (Though I do realize it is likely no longer a farm).

Thanks very much for any help or suggestions on how I might proceed to
decipher this.

Paula Solomon, Boston, MA area--hoping to meet some of you at the
conference next month!

researching: FLAKSMAN, Chelm, Swierze, and possibly Warsaw, Poland,
WAXMAN, Chelm, Poland and Kamen, Belorus.
also SHULMAN, (probably) Swierze.


JRI Poland #Poland Help Requested: Deciphering Chelm Land document & translation #poland

Paula & David
 

Hello, I am a relative novice genealogist, who "lucked out" when I
found a document listing land owners in Chelm before WWII. I found
this document at: www.jewish-chelm.org/sites/default/files/pdf.
This is the Chlemer Organization of Israel website.

On page 13 of this document are the names of my maternal GGF, and one
of his sons. , the family last name is FLAKSMAN, first names Sani and
Hersc (or Hersz). They can be found next to number 15a in the second
column. I do not recognize the third name with theirs as a family
member. though, he might have married into the family.

On page 11 of the document is also a listing for a Herc(z?) Flacksman
(different last name spelling) at number 148 in the second column. I
am not sure if the latter is a mis-spelling, or the same person in the
first page.

Can anyone help me understand the writing at the top of the columns, and
how that might enable me to locate where this land is located?
My mother, who came to the US as a very young girl, recalled staying in
the 1920's on the "farm" of her grandfather while waiting for her
father to bring the family to the US, so locating this is very
meaningful to me. (Though I do realize it is likely no longer a farm).

Thanks very much for any help or suggestions on how I might proceed to
decipher this.

Paula Solomon, Boston, MA area--hoping to meet some of you at the
conference next month!

researching: FLAKSMAN, Chelm, Swierze, and possibly Warsaw, Poland,
WAXMAN, Chelm, Poland and Kamen, Belorus.
also SHULMAN, (probably) Swierze.


ViewMate Translation Request #poland

Miriam Lappen
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a direct translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmateview.asp?key=VM27839.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Miriam Lappen
West Hartford, CT/USA

PEDRO Szrensk/Drobin Poland
GELBORT Goworowo/Ostrow Mazowiecka Poland
BLUMENKRANC Ostrow Mazowiecka Poland/Buenos Aires Argentina


JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate Translation Request #poland

Miriam Lappen
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a direct translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmateview.asp?key=VM27839.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Miriam Lappen
West Hartford, CT/USA

PEDRO Szrensk/Drobin Poland
GELBORT Goworowo/Ostrow Mazowiecka Poland
BLUMENKRANC Ostrow Mazowiecka Poland/Buenos Aires Argentina


"Mi'yarkete Tsafon" ("From the Ends of the Earth") - memoirs of Gitta Langleben-Klibansky #lithuania

Saul Issroff
 

I want to announce publication of a new book "Mi'yarkete Tsafon" (">from the
Ends of the Earth") - memoirs of Gitta Langleben-Klibansky (in
Hebrew). The book chronicles Gitta's expulsion >from Kovno a few days before
the Nazi invasion of Lithuania and her deportation to one of the most
northerly areas of Siberia at the Arctic Circle. The unique and
thrilling account illuminates aspects of the Second World War that are
generally unknown to typical readers and even to Holocaust researchers.

This book can be of interest to the LitvakSIG audience for the author's
vivid description of her life in a traditional family in Lithuania in
the 1920s and 1930s, her studies at the "Schwabbe" Hebrew Gymnasium in
Kovno, and the dramatic turn in her life as a result of the Soviet
occupation of Lithuania in 1940. In the appendix of her book, Gitta
added the memoirs of her late husband, which stretch >from his birth in
Keidan and his expulsion together with all the Kovno Gubernia Jews to
Russia in 1915 to his life in Lithuania in the interwar period. This
book (hard cover, 408 pp.) also contains two genealogical charts of
the families Langleben and Klibansky.

The book can be ordered >from Gitta's son, Ben-Tsion Klibansky, who
is also the editor of the book,, e-mail: bentsion@013.net

Saul Issroff

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This is the one-time permissible annouincement of
a commercial product that is of interest to the readers of this list.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania "Mi'yarkete Tsafon" ("From the Ends of the Earth") - memoirs of Gitta Langleben-Klibansky #lithuania

Saul Issroff
 

I want to announce publication of a new book "Mi'yarkete Tsafon" (">from the
Ends of the Earth") - memoirs of Gitta Langleben-Klibansky (in
Hebrew). The book chronicles Gitta's expulsion >from Kovno a few days before
the Nazi invasion of Lithuania and her deportation to one of the most
northerly areas of Siberia at the Arctic Circle. The unique and
thrilling account illuminates aspects of the Second World War that are
generally unknown to typical readers and even to Holocaust researchers.

This book can be of interest to the LitvakSIG audience for the author's
vivid description of her life in a traditional family in Lithuania in
the 1920s and 1930s, her studies at the "Schwabbe" Hebrew Gymnasium in
Kovno, and the dramatic turn in her life as a result of the Soviet
occupation of Lithuania in 1940. In the appendix of her book, Gitta
added the memoirs of her late husband, which stretch >from his birth in
Keidan and his expulsion together with all the Kovno Gubernia Jews to
Russia in 1915 to his life in Lithuania in the interwar period. This
book (hard cover, 408 pp.) also contains two genealogical charts of
the families Langleben and Klibansky.

The book can be ordered >from Gitta's son, Ben-Tsion Klibansky, who
is also the editor of the book,, e-mail: bentsion@013.net

Saul Issroff

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This is the one-time permissible annouincement of
a commercial product that is of interest to the readers of this list.


Elections have opened ! #lithuania

ralph <Salinger@...>
 

If you are a paid up member of LitvakSIG you should have received your
paper today via e-mail.

If you are a member and have not received a ballot, please contact me
privately.

Thank you for taking part in the Election.

Ralph Salinger
On behalf of the Election Committee


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Elections have opened ! #lithuania

ralph <Salinger@...>
 

If you are a paid up member of LitvakSIG you should have received your
paper today via e-mail.

If you are a member and have not received a ballot, please contact me
privately.

Thank you for taking part in the Election.

Ralph Salinger
On behalf of the Election Committee


Bagaslaviskis 1907 Family List (Sirvintos region of Vilnius District) #lithuania

Peggy Freedman <peggyf@...>
 

Bagaslaviskis is a village in the Sirvintos region of Lithuania.
For most of modern history, it was part of the Vilnius District,
but between World War I and World War II (when Lithuania was independent,
but Vilnius was part of Poland) Bagalslaviskis was part of the Ukmerge
District.

The Vilnius DRG and the Ukmerge DRG have translated the 1907 Family List
for Bagaslaviskis.

There are over 4,100 individuals on this list. Because it is a Family
List, it was updated until 1915 (the year that Vilnius was occupied by
Germans before becoming part of Poland in 1919). The oldest person on
the list was born in 1815.

The 1907 Family List for Bagaslaviskis is available immediately to
anyone who has made a qualifying donation to either the Vilnius DRG or
the Ukmerge DRG in the last five years. Log on to your District
Research Group Shutterfly site to download the file.

If you are not a donor to either group, but would like a translation of
the list, you can make a qualifying donation (US$100) on the LitvakSIG
website at:
http://litvaksig.org/contribute
You should choose either the Vilnius DRG OR the Ukmerge DRG for your
donation, depending on the other information that you have about your
family.

Please let us know if you have any questions. The list of surnames
mentioned in this list is at the end of this message.

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
peggyf@mindspring.com
Coordinator, Vilnius District Research Group

Roy Ogus
r_ogus@hotmail.com
Coordinator, Ukmerge District Research Group

SURNAMES IN THE 1907 FAMILY LIST FOR BAGASLAVISKIS
ANDIMAN
ANDREIUNAS
BAIKOVICH
BAITLER
BANK
BARILKO
BEKER
BERZAK
BLINDER
BRANDVAIN
BRANDVIAN
BRONZNIK
BURSHTEIN
BURSHTEIN aka ORLIN
DECINIK
DIMENSHTEIN
DUSHANSKI
EINGOR
EPSHTEIN
ERMAN aka GERMAN
FEIGLIN
FELDBLIUM
FELDMAN
FENSTER
FENTSTER
FRIDBERG
GALPERN
GAMERNE
GARBER
GEFEN
GELFER
GELGISER
GENDLER
GERMAN
GINGOLD
GIRSHOVICH
GODES
GOFEN
GOLDSHTEIN
GOLOMB
GORFAIN
GRANDZIDSKI
GRANDZITSKI
GUDEISKI
GUTMAN
IAKOBSON
IAKONMAN / IAKONSON
IAKOPMAN
IAKOPSON
IAKUBSON
IESHUR
ISERELIS
ISORELIS
ITKIN
IURBERG
KAGAN
KAHIDOVICH
KAPLAN
KATSENELENBOGEN
KENSKI
KHAIDOVICH
KHAIET
KHINGER
KHVOLES
KINIKSON
KLAZ
KOLTUN
KOPELOVSKI
KUZHENEVSKI
LANTSENOVSKI
LANTSMAN
LANTSMAN aka NURKO
LEVIN
LEVINSON
LIFSHITS
LIPSHITS
LONDON
LURIE
MEKLER
MUSNITSKI
NURKO
ODLE
ORLIN
ORVIN
PATS
PATS - LUCHINSKI
PEREL
PERL
PIK
PLIMP
PRALNIK
REIZENFELD
REZNIK
RIMAN
ROZANSKI
ROZEN
SADEVICH
SAKOV
SAMOSKI
SANDLER
SARABSKI
SARANSKI
SEGAL
SEMIAVICH
SEMIAVICH aka SADEVICH
SHAPIRE
SHAPIRO
SHEMIAVICH
SHIFRE
SHIMIAVICH
SHMIDT
SHMUKLER
SHPITALNIK
SIAMIAVICH
SIAMIAVICH aka SADEVICH
SIMIAVICH
SITNIK
SORENZON
SOREZON
SUNTOTSKI
SURVILO
TAINOVICH
TEINOVICH
TEPER
TEVEL
TILES
TROTSKI aka MUSNITSKI
TSIGAN
TSINZOR
UPNIK
URMAN
VAGEKHSHTEIN
VAISBERG
VAKSER
VERBEINIKOV
VERBLOVSKI
VEREBEINIKOV
VIGUSHIN
ZAIDMAN
ZARKHI
ZHIRNOVSKI
ZHIRNOVSKII
ZILB
ZILBER
ZILBERMAN
ZIRNOVSKI
ZONSHAIN
ZUNDELEVICH
ZVENIGORODSKI


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Bagaslaviskis 1907 Family List (Sirvintos region of Vilnius District) #lithuania

Peggy Freedman <peggyf@...>
 

Bagaslaviskis is a village in the Sirvintos region of Lithuania.
For most of modern history, it was part of the Vilnius District,
but between World War I and World War II (when Lithuania was independent,
but Vilnius was part of Poland) Bagalslaviskis was part of the Ukmerge
District.

The Vilnius DRG and the Ukmerge DRG have translated the 1907 Family List
for Bagaslaviskis.

There are over 4,100 individuals on this list. Because it is a Family
List, it was updated until 1915 (the year that Vilnius was occupied by
Germans before becoming part of Poland in 1919). The oldest person on
the list was born in 1815.

The 1907 Family List for Bagaslaviskis is available immediately to
anyone who has made a qualifying donation to either the Vilnius DRG or
the Ukmerge DRG in the last five years. Log on to your District
Research Group Shutterfly site to download the file.

If you are not a donor to either group, but would like a translation of
the list, you can make a qualifying donation (US$100) on the LitvakSIG
website at:
http://litvaksig.org/contribute
You should choose either the Vilnius DRG OR the Ukmerge DRG for your
donation, depending on the other information that you have about your
family.

Please let us know if you have any questions. The list of surnames
mentioned in this list is at the end of this message.

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
peggyf@mindspring.com
Coordinator, Vilnius District Research Group

Roy Ogus
r_ogus@hotmail.com
Coordinator, Ukmerge District Research Group

SURNAMES IN THE 1907 FAMILY LIST FOR BAGASLAVISKIS
ANDIMAN
ANDREIUNAS
BAIKOVICH
BAITLER
BANK
BARILKO
BEKER
BERZAK
BLINDER
BRANDVAIN
BRANDVIAN
BRONZNIK
BURSHTEIN
BURSHTEIN aka ORLIN
DECINIK
DIMENSHTEIN
DUSHANSKI
EINGOR
EPSHTEIN
ERMAN aka GERMAN
FEIGLIN
FELDBLIUM
FELDMAN
FENSTER
FENTSTER
FRIDBERG
GALPERN
GAMERNE
GARBER
GEFEN
GELFER
GELGISER
GENDLER
GERMAN
GINGOLD
GIRSHOVICH
GODES
GOFEN
GOLDSHTEIN
GOLOMB
GORFAIN
GRANDZIDSKI
GRANDZITSKI
GUDEISKI
GUTMAN
IAKOBSON
IAKONMAN / IAKONSON
IAKOPMAN
IAKOPSON
IAKUBSON
IESHUR
ISERELIS
ISORELIS
ITKIN
IURBERG
KAGAN
KAHIDOVICH
KAPLAN
KATSENELENBOGEN
KENSKI
KHAIDOVICH
KHAIET
KHINGER
KHVOLES
KINIKSON
KLAZ
KOLTUN
KOPELOVSKI
KUZHENEVSKI
LANTSENOVSKI
LANTSMAN
LANTSMAN aka NURKO
LEVIN
LEVINSON
LIFSHITS
LIPSHITS
LONDON
LURIE
MEKLER
MUSNITSKI
NURKO
ODLE
ORLIN
ORVIN
PATS
PATS - LUCHINSKI
PEREL
PERL
PIK
PLIMP
PRALNIK
REIZENFELD
REZNIK
RIMAN
ROZANSKI
ROZEN
SADEVICH
SAKOV
SAMOSKI
SANDLER
SARABSKI
SARANSKI
SEGAL
SEMIAVICH
SEMIAVICH aka SADEVICH
SHAPIRE
SHAPIRO
SHEMIAVICH
SHIFRE
SHIMIAVICH
SHMIDT
SHMUKLER
SHPITALNIK
SIAMIAVICH
SIAMIAVICH aka SADEVICH
SIMIAVICH
SITNIK
SORENZON
SOREZON
SUNTOTSKI
SURVILO
TAINOVICH
TEINOVICH
TEPER
TEVEL
TILES
TROTSKI aka MUSNITSKI
TSIGAN
TSINZOR
UPNIK
URMAN
VAGEKHSHTEIN
VAISBERG
VAKSER
VERBEINIKOV
VERBLOVSKI
VEREBEINIKOV
VIGUSHIN
ZAIDMAN
ZARKHI
ZHIRNOVSKI
ZHIRNOVSKII
ZILB
ZILBER
ZILBERMAN
ZIRNOVSKI
ZONSHAIN
ZUNDELEVICH
ZVENIGORODSKI


Thank you all - for info on finding Film/File numbers #general

natrab@...
 

Dear JewishGenners,
Thanks to all who replied with the instructions and suggestions on
finding Film/File numbers.
I wish I had the time to write back to each of you, alas, I'm off to
the USA after Shabbat, on my way to the IAJGS Conf.!

In Gratitude, Rachel Heller Bernstein, Yerushalayim


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you all - for info on finding Film/File numbers #general

natrab@...
 

Dear JewishGenners,
Thanks to all who replied with the instructions and suggestions on
finding Film/File numbers.
I wish I had the time to write back to each of you, alas, I'm off to
the USA after Shabbat, on my way to the IAJGS Conf.!

In Gratitude, Rachel Heller Bernstein, Yerushalayim


New York Records #general

Pamela Weisberger
 

Jeanne Gold writes:

"I noticed several replies regarding the NYC records and the replies
telling you how to get to the films. The films you are being directed
to are only the indexes. What you have been viewing are transcriptions
of those filmed indexes. If what you are really looking for are the
actual certificates >from which those indexes were made, there are no
films as NY did not permit them to be filmed. The only way to see the
actual certificate (that i know) is to order it >from NY or ask someone
in the area to go and microfilm it for you."

This is incorrect information.

The NYC archives allowed both the indexes and the images of the
original birth, death and marriage records held at the NYC municipal
archives at 31 Chambers St. to be filmed. You can easily view the
microfilms of these records at the LDS Family History Library in Salt
Lake City and also order scans of the original images directly from
FamilySearch.

The difference is that NYC charges $15 a copy and FamilySearch offers
the scans for free. (But ordering >from NYC will get you copies
faster, usually about two weeks, and the LDS a month or two since the
program is popular.) Of you can order the films to be sent to your
location Family History Center and make the copies yourself, also for
a small fee.

Some FHCs, like the library here in Los Angeles, have selected reels
of New York City birth certificate microfilms which stayed after a
patron ordered the reel and put them on permanent loan, so it's wise
to check with your local facility.

The first step is to find out the certificate number. You can do this
by searching at www.italiangen.org, FamilySearch.org or on Ancestry
(selected NYC births.)

If you want to request a microfilm reel containing a certificate to be
sent to your local Family History Center, it's important to make sure
you search for the film of the certificates, versus the films with the
indexes. The best way is to use the keyword search on the FHL catalog
link: https://familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp

Put in terms like "Manhattan birth certificates," or "Brooklyn birth
certificates," etc.

Here is an example of what "Brooklyn births" pulls up:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/brooklynbcs

These examples are for Manhattan listings of certificates versus indexes:

Birth certificates no. 79936-81635 1871-1872 - FHL US/CAN Film 1322048
Birth index cards would look like this: Birth index cards S-Wa 1891 -
FHL US/CAN Film 1323604

You need to make sure the borough, year and certificate number all
match with the results you found doing your online search using
www.Italiangen.org. (If you can't find the right person, you can
always re-check the original index lists or cards.)

To order scans through FamilySearch, you send an email to:
Photoduplication@familysearch.org and provide the film number and the
certificate number, date, event and the name of the people involved,
along with your information. (Sending the certificate number is not
enough.)

To read more about their photo-duplication service, which is only
available if the microfilm is not at your local FHL or the images are
not already online, go to:
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services

To find out the records held by the New York City municipal archives,
go here: http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/archives/holdings.shtml

One main advantage of ordering marriage records >from New York City
Archives is that you can request a copy of the original marriage
license applications, originally held by the City Clerk's office but
housed in the Municipal Archives, which I don't believe the LDS has
ever microfilmed. These cover the years 1908-1929 and can sometimes
provide valuable information not found in a marriage record. (Often
people took out licenses months prior to getting married and put
family information, like city of birth, not entered in the marriage
certificate. Records for 1930 to the present must be obtained from
the City Clerk)

If you do write to the Municipal Archives you must specifically
request the marriage license as well or they will not automatically
copy it for you. It may also require an extra fee. Searching for the
images in person is a bit complicated and time consuming on site as
you first have to search the indexes and then look for the records and
the indexes are difficult to read.

The JewishGen info file on NYC records provide another link to the LDS
microfilm numbers and also explains the intricacies of finding NYC
records: http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/nycv-lds.html#MarriageR

In summary...if you live in New York it's best to head to the Archives
yourself. If you want both the marriage license and the certificate
you might want to write to the NYC archives. If you are not in a
rush, and want to save some money, it's easy to order scans from
FamilySearch online or have the microfilm sent to your local Family
History Center.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New York Records #general

Pamela Weisberger
 

Jeanne Gold writes:

"I noticed several replies regarding the NYC records and the replies
telling you how to get to the films. The films you are being directed
to are only the indexes. What you have been viewing are transcriptions
of those filmed indexes. If what you are really looking for are the
actual certificates >from which those indexes were made, there are no
films as NY did not permit them to be filmed. The only way to see the
actual certificate (that i know) is to order it >from NY or ask someone
in the area to go and microfilm it for you."

This is incorrect information.

The NYC archives allowed both the indexes and the images of the
original birth, death and marriage records held at the NYC municipal
archives at 31 Chambers St. to be filmed. You can easily view the
microfilms of these records at the LDS Family History Library in Salt
Lake City and also order scans of the original images directly from
FamilySearch.

The difference is that NYC charges $15 a copy and FamilySearch offers
the scans for free. (But ordering >from NYC will get you copies
faster, usually about two weeks, and the LDS a month or two since the
program is popular.) Of you can order the films to be sent to your
location Family History Center and make the copies yourself, also for
a small fee.

Some FHCs, like the library here in Los Angeles, have selected reels
of New York City birth certificate microfilms which stayed after a
patron ordered the reel and put them on permanent loan, so it's wise
to check with your local facility.

The first step is to find out the certificate number. You can do this
by searching at www.italiangen.org, FamilySearch.org or on Ancestry
(selected NYC births.)

If you want to request a microfilm reel containing a certificate to be
sent to your local Family History Center, it's important to make sure
you search for the film of the certificates, versus the films with the
indexes. The best way is to use the keyword search on the FHL catalog
link: https://familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp

Put in terms like "Manhattan birth certificates," or "Brooklyn birth
certificates," etc.

Here is an example of what "Brooklyn births" pulls up:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/brooklynbcs

These examples are for Manhattan listings of certificates versus indexes:

Birth certificates no. 79936-81635 1871-1872 - FHL US/CAN Film 1322048
Birth index cards would look like this: Birth index cards S-Wa 1891 -
FHL US/CAN Film 1323604

You need to make sure the borough, year and certificate number all
match with the results you found doing your online search using
www.Italiangen.org. (If you can't find the right person, you can
always re-check the original index lists or cards.)

To order scans through FamilySearch, you send an email to:
Photoduplication@familysearch.org and provide the film number and the
certificate number, date, event and the name of the people involved,
along with your information. (Sending the certificate number is not
enough.)

To read more about their photo-duplication service, which is only
available if the microfilm is not at your local FHL or the images are
not already online, go to:
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services

To find out the records held by the New York City municipal archives,
go here: http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/archives/holdings.shtml

One main advantage of ordering marriage records >from New York City
Archives is that you can request a copy of the original marriage
license applications, originally held by the City Clerk's office but
housed in the Municipal Archives, which I don't believe the LDS has
ever microfilmed. These cover the years 1908-1929 and can sometimes
provide valuable information not found in a marriage record. (Often
people took out licenses months prior to getting married and put
family information, like city of birth, not entered in the marriage
certificate. Records for 1930 to the present must be obtained from
the City Clerk)

If you do write to the Municipal Archives you must specifically
request the marriage license as well or they will not automatically
copy it for you. It may also require an extra fee. Searching for the
images in person is a bit complicated and time consuming on site as
you first have to search the indexes and then look for the records and
the indexes are difficult to read.

The JewishGen info file on NYC records provide another link to the LDS
microfilm numbers and also explains the intricacies of finding NYC
records: http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/nycv-lds.html#MarriageR

In summary...if you live in New York it's best to head to the Archives
yourself. If you want both the marriage license and the certificate
you might want to write to the NYC archives. If you are not in a
rush, and want to save some money, it's easy to order scans from
FamilySearch online or have the microfilm sent to your local Family
History Center.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@gmail.com

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