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Re: belarus digest: July 13, 1999 #belarus

Hal Maggied PhD <drmaggoo@...>
 

1. Belarus SIG Meeting in New York 9. August 1999
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Update:
I have received information >from 70 persons who will attend the Belarus SIG
Meeting in New York 9. August 1999.
Please let me know - if you have not already done so - if you are planning
to attend the meeting, as we need to know in order to be able to accomodate
everybody.>You can find more information about the Belarus SIG Meeting and
presentations of interest on the Belarus SIG website:
http://members.aol.com/nyc99conf/

Best regards

Elsebeth Paikin, Editor
Belarus SIG Online Newsletter
http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/bnl_index.htm
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
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Shalom Khaverim: I know I must have missed it, but until last Tuesday
mid-nite till Saturday )500 [AM], NetCom --my ISP-- has been out of service.

What time on Monday 09 august does the Belarus Sig Meet??????

Thanx! Toddah Robbah! Ah sheinem Donk! Khai Tov, Hal S. Maggied, PhD

VITEBSK Guberniya: Usvyaty=Usviat=Uzhvit @ 55*45'N&30*45'E, Velizh=Veliz @
55*36'N&31*12'E, Surazh=Suraz @ 55*25'N&30*44'E, Berezovka=Berezhukha @
55*45'N&30*51'E, Borisov @ 55*45'N&30*45'E, Velikiye-Luki @
56*20'N&30*32'E, Lepel @ 54*53'N& 28*42'E, Nevel @ 56*02'N&29*55'E,
Kopreva, Vitebsk shtodt @ 55*12'N&30*11'E;

VOLHYN Guberniya: Portisk=Poryck=Prytzk=Pavlovka @ 50*37'N&24*28'E,
Lutzk=Lusk=Luc @ 50*45'N&25*20'E, Gorokhov=Horochow=Horchiv @
50*30'N&24*46'E, Lokatchi=Lokache @ 50*44'N&24*39'E, Ludmir=Vladimir @
50*51'N&24*20'E,Ustilug @ 50*52'N&24*09'E Swiniuchii=Svinyokh @
50*38'N&24*45'E, Shklin @ 50*34'N&25*00'E, Sokal @ 50*29'N&24*17'E, Brody @
50*05'N&25*09'E, Torchin=Torczyn @ 50*46'N&25*00'E, Turzysk=Turisk @
51*06'N&24*32'E, Rovno=Riwni @ 50*37'N&26*15'E, Kolki @ 51*06'N&25*40'E,
Kovel=Kovla @ 51*13'N&24*43'E, Kupichov @ 51*00'N&24*43'E,
Ozeriany=Jeziezriany @ 51*01'N&24*48'E;

Latitude & Longitude source: 'United States Board of Geographic Names,
Mapping Division'; Distance sources: 'ShtetlSeeker' by Dr. Michael Tobias,
Web Author & Manager.
Hal MAGGIED, PhD AICP Ohio State Alumnus <drmaggoo@ix.netcom.com>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: belarus digest: July 13, 1999 #belarus

Hal Maggied PhD <drmaggoo@...>
 

1. Belarus SIG Meeting in New York 9. August 1999
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Update:
I have received information >from 70 persons who will attend the Belarus SIG
Meeting in New York 9. August 1999.
Please let me know - if you have not already done so - if you are planning
to attend the meeting, as we need to know in order to be able to accomodate
everybody.>You can find more information about the Belarus SIG Meeting and
presentations of interest on the Belarus SIG website:
http://members.aol.com/nyc99conf/

Best regards

Elsebeth Paikin, Editor
Belarus SIG Online Newsletter
http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/bnl_index.htm
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Shalom Khaverim: I know I must have missed it, but until last Tuesday
mid-nite till Saturday )500 [AM], NetCom --my ISP-- has been out of service.

What time on Monday 09 august does the Belarus Sig Meet??????

Thanx! Toddah Robbah! Ah sheinem Donk! Khai Tov, Hal S. Maggied, PhD

VITEBSK Guberniya: Usvyaty=Usviat=Uzhvit @ 55*45'N&30*45'E, Velizh=Veliz @
55*36'N&31*12'E, Surazh=Suraz @ 55*25'N&30*44'E, Berezovka=Berezhukha @
55*45'N&30*51'E, Borisov @ 55*45'N&30*45'E, Velikiye-Luki @
56*20'N&30*32'E, Lepel @ 54*53'N& 28*42'E, Nevel @ 56*02'N&29*55'E,
Kopreva, Vitebsk shtodt @ 55*12'N&30*11'E;

VOLHYN Guberniya: Portisk=Poryck=Prytzk=Pavlovka @ 50*37'N&24*28'E,
Lutzk=Lusk=Luc @ 50*45'N&25*20'E, Gorokhov=Horochow=Horchiv @
50*30'N&24*46'E, Lokatchi=Lokache @ 50*44'N&24*39'E, Ludmir=Vladimir @
50*51'N&24*20'E,Ustilug @ 50*52'N&24*09'E Swiniuchii=Svinyokh @
50*38'N&24*45'E, Shklin @ 50*34'N&25*00'E, Sokal @ 50*29'N&24*17'E, Brody @
50*05'N&25*09'E, Torchin=Torczyn @ 50*46'N&25*00'E, Turzysk=Turisk @
51*06'N&24*32'E, Rovno=Riwni @ 50*37'N&26*15'E, Kolki @ 51*06'N&25*40'E,
Kovel=Kovla @ 51*13'N&24*43'E, Kupichov @ 51*00'N&24*43'E,
Ozeriany=Jeziezriany @ 51*01'N&24*48'E;

Latitude & Longitude source: 'United States Board of Geographic Names,
Mapping Division'; Distance sources: 'ShtetlSeeker' by Dr. Michael Tobias,
Web Author & Manager.
Hal MAGGIED, PhD AICP Ohio State Alumnus <drmaggoo@ix.netcom.com>


Family of Simon Rosenberg of NY #general

bdavis@...
 

I am looking for any descendants of Simon (died 1957) and Betsy (Faiga
Baila, died 1949) ROSENBERG, who had a son Charles (Yechezkel, born ca1893,
died 1926), and a grandson Alvin D. (died 1925 aged four months). I think
Simon had another couple of children who also married and had children.

Thanks to the marvellous work of Ada Greenblatt in recording burials in
Vilkomir landsmannschaft plots in New York (thanks Ada), I have discovered
that these people are all buried in the Washington Cemetery, Brooklyn. I am
not hopeful about being permitted to obtain death certificates for 1957 or
1949, but I will try for Charles in 1926.

Simon ROSENBERG was the younger brother of my husband's grandfather, and
this is the first time we've found any information about him; we are so
excited! It would be wonderful to find living descendants to exchange
information with. The original family name was PLASTOK. (Yes, the same
family being researched by Anita Fischer in Montreal (hi Anita!).

Any help would be very much appreciated. I have looked at the SSDI CD but
could not find anything of help, possbily because Simon was self-employed
and therefore did not register for social security. While I was in New York
during May I looked at naturalisation records at the municipal archives in
Chambers Street but could not find Simon. I know that Simon visited
Australia about 1920 so presumably would have had an American passport
(i.e. was a citizen).

Warmest regards to all,
Beverley Davis; Melbourne, Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family of Simon Rosenberg of NY #general

bdavis@...
 

I am looking for any descendants of Simon (died 1957) and Betsy (Faiga
Baila, died 1949) ROSENBERG, who had a son Charles (Yechezkel, born ca1893,
died 1926), and a grandson Alvin D. (died 1925 aged four months). I think
Simon had another couple of children who also married and had children.

Thanks to the marvellous work of Ada Greenblatt in recording burials in
Vilkomir landsmannschaft plots in New York (thanks Ada), I have discovered
that these people are all buried in the Washington Cemetery, Brooklyn. I am
not hopeful about being permitted to obtain death certificates for 1957 or
1949, but I will try for Charles in 1926.

Simon ROSENBERG was the younger brother of my husband's grandfather, and
this is the first time we've found any information about him; we are so
excited! It would be wonderful to find living descendants to exchange
information with. The original family name was PLASTOK. (Yes, the same
family being researched by Anita Fischer in Montreal (hi Anita!).

Any help would be very much appreciated. I have looked at the SSDI CD but
could not find anything of help, possbily because Simon was self-employed
and therefore did not register for social security. While I was in New York
during May I looked at naturalisation records at the municipal archives in
Chambers Street but could not find Simon. I know that Simon visited
Australia about 1920 so presumably would have had an American passport
(i.e. was a citizen).

Warmest regards to all,
Beverley Davis; Melbourne, Australia


Kedian Birds of a Feather #lithuania

Glynne
 

I will be in New York for the Seminar and am looking forward to meet Andy in
person. I can meet anytime anywhere that week.

Gay Lynne Kegan


Keidan Jews #Keidan #Lithuania Kedian Birds of a Feather #lithuania

Glynne
 

I will be in New York for the Seminar and am looking forward to meet Andy in
person. I can meet anytime anywhere that week.

Gay Lynne Kegan


Translators Needed, Vsia Rossiia #general

TGart7777@...
 

Members of the Belarus SIG have completed translating the names >from the
Minsk section of the 1903 edition of Vsia Rossiia, the Russian Business
Directory, as well as the names >from the Mogilev section of the 1911 edition.
The Minsk section can be searched on the JewishGen web site, we anticipate
posting the Mogilev names in the near future. We plan to proceed to the
translation of the names in the Minsk Guberniia, 1911 edition. Tranlsators
are needed, the original data is in clear typewritten Russian. I will mail a
copy of the Minsk Guberniia section to the translators, data can be submitted
on paper or on a floppy disk.

I hope that the translators that were so helpful with the previous sections
will again assist. New translators are also needed. Please respond to Tom
Gartman.TGart7777@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translators Needed, Vsia Rossiia #general

TGart7777@...
 

Members of the Belarus SIG have completed translating the names >from the
Minsk section of the 1903 edition of Vsia Rossiia, the Russian Business
Directory, as well as the names >from the Mogilev section of the 1911 edition.
The Minsk section can be searched on the JewishGen web site, we anticipate
posting the Mogilev names in the near future. We plan to proceed to the
translation of the names in the Minsk Guberniia, 1911 edition. Tranlsators
are needed, the original data is in clear typewritten Russian. I will mail a
copy of the Minsk Guberniia section to the translators, data can be submitted
on paper or on a floppy disk.

I hope that the translators that were so helpful with the previous sections
will again assist. New translators are also needed. Please respond to Tom
Gartman.TGart7777@aol.com


Re: Bibergala #general

Rafi Guber
 

In a message dated 7/18/99 2:16:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
anitac1@erols.com writes:

<< My grandfather >from Odessa married a woman >from Berdichev. Now that is a
real shlep and I still can't figure out why. But apparently these things
happen. Could have been a somewhat arranged marriage between distant
relatives???
>>
Dear Anita

The answer is simple - the women in Berdichev were wise, kindly and
beautiful. If you had known my grandmother and my great aunt you would agree.

Rafi Guber


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bibergala #general

Rafi Guber
 

In a message dated 7/18/99 2:16:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
anitac1@erols.com writes:

<< My grandfather >from Odessa married a woman >from Berdichev. Now that is a
real shlep and I still can't figure out why. But apparently these things
happen. Could have been a somewhat arranged marriage between distant
relatives???
>>
Dear Anita

The answer is simple - the women in Berdichev were wise, kindly and
beautiful. If you had known my grandmother and my great aunt you would agree.

Rafi Guber


MAYER family in Israel #general

SAA444@...
 

I am looking for family living in Israel by the surname of MAYER. Kurt,
Adolph, and Senta Mayer came to Israel >from Bad Mergentheim, Germany. Kurt
and his wife, Franzie or Francis had a daughter, Rachel. Rachel Mayer was
married in October or November, 1967. I do not know her married name.

I am looking for Rachel and other children of Kurt, Adolph and Senta Mayer.

Kurt, Adolph, and Senta's mother, Meta Mayer nee Adler was married to Solomon
Mayer. Meta died in Gurs on April 7, 1952.

I would appreciate any help that anyone can give me.

Thank you.

Sheila Adler
Cleveland, Ohio USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MAYER family in Israel #general

SAA444@...
 

I am looking for family living in Israel by the surname of MAYER. Kurt,
Adolph, and Senta Mayer came to Israel >from Bad Mergentheim, Germany. Kurt
and his wife, Franzie or Francis had a daughter, Rachel. Rachel Mayer was
married in October or November, 1967. I do not know her married name.

I am looking for Rachel and other children of Kurt, Adolph and Senta Mayer.

Kurt, Adolph, and Senta's mother, Meta Mayer nee Adler was married to Solomon
Mayer. Meta died in Gurs on April 7, 1952.

I would appreciate any help that anyone can give me.

Thank you.

Sheila Adler
Cleveland, Ohio USA


Re: Ukraine to South America routes #general

Rob Weisskirch <rweisskirch@...>
 

Howard and all,

There is quite a misconception about getting information >from South America.
My own experience has been with Argentina and have found that the vital
records there are perhaps the best in world, genealogically speaking.

In terms of migrations, your first stop should be the Hamburg Passenger
Ships. Although the volunteers at FHL will tell you that no South American
bound ships are listed, there were in fact several trips a year. The ports
are La Plata or Buenos Aires, Rio de Janiero, Montevideo, and Recife (I
believe). Some names are even in the indices (like others).

Your second stop for Argentina should be Centro de Estudios Migratorios de
Latin America (CEMLA). They are the Scalabrini Monks (or religious order)
that house the arrival records for Buenos Aires during the period of high
migration. They can be reached via email www.scalabrini.org~cemla. I have
written to them in Spanish and they returned via English. They have arrival
certificates stating the ship, profession, birthdate, and port of
embarcation.

Third stop, Registro Civil for the city you desire. They house birth,
marriage, and death records. However, you must have a date to aid the
search. It only costs about $15 per search with certificate.

Other than that, you can try searching names in old Yiddish newspapers
(which I have not done), search the Jewish Colonization Association's
records at the Central Archives of the Jewish people (in person in Israel),
or try some of the books which list prominent Argentine Jews.

Fourth stop, the Argentine Genealogy Society is doing a phenomenal job of
amassing cemetary records >from around the nation. They're in the process of
computerizing all the information >from the thousands of graves. However,
the names are currently inaccesssible for searches so be patient and check
periodically.

Rob Weisskirch
Latin American SIG moderator


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ukraine to South America routes #general

Rob Weisskirch <rweisskirch@...>
 

Howard and all,

There is quite a misconception about getting information >from South America.
My own experience has been with Argentina and have found that the vital
records there are perhaps the best in world, genealogically speaking.

In terms of migrations, your first stop should be the Hamburg Passenger
Ships. Although the volunteers at FHL will tell you that no South American
bound ships are listed, there were in fact several trips a year. The ports
are La Plata or Buenos Aires, Rio de Janiero, Montevideo, and Recife (I
believe). Some names are even in the indices (like others).

Your second stop for Argentina should be Centro de Estudios Migratorios de
Latin America (CEMLA). They are the Scalabrini Monks (or religious order)
that house the arrival records for Buenos Aires during the period of high
migration. They can be reached via email www.scalabrini.org~cemla. I have
written to them in Spanish and they returned via English. They have arrival
certificates stating the ship, profession, birthdate, and port of
embarcation.

Third stop, Registro Civil for the city you desire. They house birth,
marriage, and death records. However, you must have a date to aid the
search. It only costs about $15 per search with certificate.

Other than that, you can try searching names in old Yiddish newspapers
(which I have not done), search the Jewish Colonization Association's
records at the Central Archives of the Jewish people (in person in Israel),
or try some of the books which list prominent Argentine Jews.

Fourth stop, the Argentine Genealogy Society is doing a phenomenal job of
amassing cemetary records >from around the nation. They're in the process of
computerizing all the information >from the thousands of graves. However,
the names are currently inaccesssible for searches so be patient and check
periodically.

Rob Weisskirch
Latin American SIG moderator


Re: Re Israeli White Pages in English #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:42:48, yairharu@inter.net.il (chaim charutz) wrote:

------------snip-------------

If there is anyone out there who knows how to overcome the various problems
quickly and easily, and is willing to invest the time and effort, you should
know that there is a huge potential market out there waiting for you.
Waiting for Bezeq, Godot, and all the other silly Bozos out there to do
something about it, will probably get you nowhere!

All the best,
Chaim Charutz -- Petach Tikva, Israel
e-mail: yairharu@internet-zahav.net
Although the above quote seems to imply that Bezeq is just too lazy or
silly to do anything about an English directory, the fact is that the
problems are formidable -- as Bezeq appears to understand. Consider, just
for an example, the name "Chaim Charutz" which most people (and the
official transliteration rules) would transcribe rather differently.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ISMACH, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia,
in Russian Poland
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive tree (requires Java 1.1 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

PLEASE NOTE: Messages to the "From:" or "Reply to:" address of this posting
will be deleted automatically, unread. Please change the username >from
"sheol" to "stan". Messages containing HTML-formatted text will also be
deleted automatically, unread; if you want to write to me, send plain text
only.


Re Israeli White Pages in English #general

chaim charutz <yairharu@...>
 

On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:08:09 -0500 (CDT), Jewel Rosenthal Fishkin wrote:
I have suggested and people have had success---that by calling >either
the Israeli Embassy--or consulate--they have the Hebrew directories >and
will gladly give you the English address and phone number. >Also--one of
my cousins in Hadera thought that the Post Office in Israel does >have
an English directory. I never did check that out

Bright Idea, Jewel, about the embassies and consulates!
Regarding the Hardcopy English White Pages Directories, this was common
until about 5-10 years ago in the main Cities of Israel (Jerusalem, Haifa
and Tel Aviv). This was, however, stopped "for technical reasons". Thus, any
existing English Hardcopy White Pages Directories are, at best, 5-10 years
out-of-date. In light of the tremendous changes in the Israeli (as well as
International) Telecommunications Systems in the last 5-10 years, these
directories are, more often than not, worse than useless.

BTW, with all due respect to the hard-working, bright and kind-hearted
Jewishgenners and moderators, this is another subject which crops up every
so often and is well covered in the JewishGen Archives. Until Bezeq, Israeli
"Golden Pages", or someone else with some initiative comes up with an
acceptable and successful solution to Online English White Pages, I suppose
that this will continue to crop up again and again. In any event, I suppose
that every time I write to the Jewishgen Digest, on *any* subject whatsoever,
a few people will always write to me with Directory Enquiries.

All the best,
Chaim Charutz -- Petach Tikva, Israel.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Re Israeli White Pages in English #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:42:48, yairharu@inter.net.il (chaim charutz) wrote:

------------snip-------------

If there is anyone out there who knows how to overcome the various problems
quickly and easily, and is willing to invest the time and effort, you should
know that there is a huge potential market out there waiting for you.
Waiting for Bezeq, Godot, and all the other silly Bozos out there to do
something about it, will probably get you nowhere!

All the best,
Chaim Charutz -- Petach Tikva, Israel
e-mail: yairharu@internet-zahav.net
Although the above quote seems to imply that Bezeq is just too lazy or
silly to do anything about an English directory, the fact is that the
problems are formidable -- as Bezeq appears to understand. Consider, just
for an example, the name "Chaim Charutz" which most people (and the
official transliteration rules) would transcribe rather differently.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ISMACH, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia,
in Russian Poland
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive tree (requires Java 1.1 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

PLEASE NOTE: Messages to the "From:" or "Reply to:" address of this posting
will be deleted automatically, unread. Please change the username >from
"sheol" to "stan". Messages containing HTML-formatted text will also be
deleted automatically, unread; if you want to write to me, send plain text
only.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re Israeli White Pages in English #general

chaim charutz <yairharu@...>
 

On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:08:09 -0500 (CDT), Jewel Rosenthal Fishkin wrote:
I have suggested and people have had success---that by calling >either
the Israeli Embassy--or consulate--they have the Hebrew directories >and
will gladly give you the English address and phone number. >Also--one of
my cousins in Hadera thought that the Post Office in Israel does >have
an English directory. I never did check that out

Bright Idea, Jewel, about the embassies and consulates!
Regarding the Hardcopy English White Pages Directories, this was common
until about 5-10 years ago in the main Cities of Israel (Jerusalem, Haifa
and Tel Aviv). This was, however, stopped "for technical reasons". Thus, any
existing English Hardcopy White Pages Directories are, at best, 5-10 years
out-of-date. In light of the tremendous changes in the Israeli (as well as
International) Telecommunications Systems in the last 5-10 years, these
directories are, more often than not, worse than useless.

BTW, with all due respect to the hard-working, bright and kind-hearted
Jewishgenners and moderators, this is another subject which crops up every
so often and is well covered in the JewishGen Archives. Until Bezeq, Israeli
"Golden Pages", or someone else with some initiative comes up with an
acceptable and successful solution to Online English White Pages, I suppose
that this will continue to crop up again and again. In any event, I suppose
that every time I write to the Jewishgen Digest, on *any* subject whatsoever,
a few people will always write to me with Directory Enquiries.

All the best,
Chaim Charutz -- Petach Tikva, Israel.


Photos of Holocaust Orphans #general

Susskind <nrg@...>
 

Some weeks ago, while aimlessly searching the Jewish Gen website, I
found pictures of young children who had been orphaned by the
holocaust. These people are looking for relatives. We lost a lot of
that generation of then children, but I was unable to really search that
site at the time. I have since tried to find it unsuccessfully.
Can someone direct me to that site ? I would very much appreciate the
help, as I always am whenever Jewish Genners come to my aid. They have
done so many times.

Adele Silverberg Susskind

MODERATOR NOTE: >from the JewishGen homepage http://www.jewishgen.org
scroll down to Hosted Organizations. You are looking for the Missing
Identity site.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Photos of Holocaust Orphans #general

Susskind <nrg@...>
 

Some weeks ago, while aimlessly searching the Jewish Gen website, I
found pictures of young children who had been orphaned by the
holocaust. These people are looking for relatives. We lost a lot of
that generation of then children, but I was unable to really search that
site at the time. I have since tried to find it unsuccessfully.
Can someone direct me to that site ? I would very much appreciate the
help, as I always am whenever Jewish Genners come to my aid. They have
done so many times.

Adele Silverberg Susskind

MODERATOR NOTE: >from the JewishGen homepage http://www.jewishgen.org
scroll down to Hosted Organizations. You are looking for the Missing
Identity site.