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Re: Immigrant ships from Europe to South America #general

Carlos Glikson
 

Rob Weisskirch mentioned CEMLA - Centro de Estudios Migratorios
Latinoamericanos housing arrival records in Buenos Aires - covers the years
1882 to 1926.

Good news is the data has reached 1929. CEMLA's director Alicia Bernasconi
spoke at the October meeting of the Argentine Jewish Genealogy Association.
She updated the info we had, and mentioned present data entry has reached
April 1929. So presently the span for the records is Jan 2 1882 - April
1929.

CEMLA's director also mentioned that some older missing books have been
found when requesting later books at the Direccion de Migraciones for the
most recent data entry. These earlier books' info was missing in the
database and they are being included now, or have already been included.

As for records for 1870-1881, these are unaccounted for. Up to 1882, an
estimated 30 to 40% of immigrants arrived through uncontrolled river
crossing, and no records ever existed. At any rate, massive Jewish
immigration began several years later... the mark being set by the arrival
of the Wesser during August 1889. Immigration in 1888 was estimated in 50
persons. The Alliance Israelite Universelle helped members of 8 families
reach Argentina. The estimation for 1889 is of 1000, including hundreds on
board the Wesser.

The Wesser sailed >from Bremen. As Rob said, other ships arrived sailing from
Hamburg. But more ports were used over the decades leaving Europe for South
America. Rotterdam, Marseilles, Genoa, Trieste, Odessa to Turkey...,
Southampton, Liverpool, Cherbourg, Lisbon, Antwerp, the list goes on.

Re. CEMLA's database, books are missing so data transcribed by CEMLA is not
complete. Therefore, even if your relative came through the Buenos Aires
port, and even if you try the appropriate spelling variants, there is a
certain chance you might get no results. Missing data might be in the order
of 20 % or more.

Spelling is the other consideration. As Rob Weisskirch said, there is no
Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex. My ALPEROVICH arrived in different crossings on boa
rd Royal Mail ships as Alperowiz (?), Alperowitz, Alperowicz. My mother's
first name Liubov turned up in the computer as Ludwig (!) and my grandfather
Menasha / Menasche as Manasi. Grandmother Rosa was typed as Ropsa. And these
cases are no exception. So help with last names alternative spelling and
imagination with first names is important.


Carlos GLIKSON
Buenos Aires, Argentina
e-Mail cglikson@ciudad.com.ar

Searching for

GLIKSON, GLICKSON, GLUCKSOHN, GLUECKSOHN: Marijampole, Suwalki, Augustow,
Sejny,Sopotkin,Koenigsberg. POKROISKY, POKROJSKI, POKROY: Suwalki, Seirijai.
Lomza. ALPEROVICH, ALPEROWICZ: Kremenchug, Vilnius. HOLLANDERSKY,
HOLLENDERSKI, HOLLANDER: Suwalki, Seirijai, Lomza. TARNOPOLSKY, TARNOPOL:
Kremenchug, Kharkov. FELCHINSKY: Kremenchug, Vilnius, Felschtin?. KARP:
Grodno. SMELIENSKY(?), KRASNAPOLSKY(?), BLUMIGDAL (?), GOLUMBIEWSKY,
GOLOMB(?)


Latin America #LatinAmerica RE: Immigrant ships from Europe to South America #latinamerica

Carlos Glikson
 

Rob Weisskirch mentioned CEMLA - Centro de Estudios Migratorios
Latinoamericanos housing arrival records in Buenos Aires - covers the years
1882 to 1926.

Good news is the data has reached 1929. CEMLA's director Alicia Bernasconi
spoke at the October meeting of the Argentine Jewish Genealogy Association.
She updated the info we had, and mentioned present data entry has reached
April 1929. So presently the span for the records is Jan 2 1882 - April
1929.

CEMLA's director also mentioned that some older missing books have been
found when requesting later books at the Direccion de Migraciones for the
most recent data entry. These earlier books' info was missing in the
database and they are being included now, or have already been included.

As for records for 1870-1881, these are unaccounted for. Up to 1882, an
estimated 30 to 40% of immigrants arrived through uncontrolled river
crossing, and no records ever existed. At any rate, massive Jewish
immigration began several years later... the mark being set by the arrival
of the Wesser during August 1889. Immigration in 1888 was estimated in 50
persons. The Alliance Israelite Universelle helped members of 8 families
reach Argentina. The estimation for 1889 is of 1000, including hundreds on
board the Wesser.

The Wesser sailed >from Bremen. As Rob said, other ships arrived sailing from
Hamburg. But more ports were used over the decades leaving Europe for South
America. Rotterdam, Marseilles, Genoa, Trieste, Odessa to Turkey...,
Southampton, Liverpool, Cherbourg, Lisbon, Antwerp, the list goes on.

Re. CEMLA's database, books are missing so data transcribed by CEMLA is not
complete. Therefore, even if your relative came through the Buenos Aires
port, and even if you try the appropriate spelling variants, there is a
certain chance you might get no results. Missing data might be in the order
of 20 % or more.

Spelling is the other consideration. As Rob Weisskirch said, there is no
Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex. My ALPEROVICH arrived in different crossings on boa
rd Royal Mail ships as Alperowiz (?), Alperowitz, Alperowicz. My mother's
first name Liubov turned up in the computer as Ludwig (!) and my grandfather
Menasha / Menasche as Manasi. Grandmother Rosa was typed as Ropsa. And these
cases are no exception. So help with last names alternative spelling and
imagination with first names is important.


Carlos GLIKSON
Buenos Aires, Argentina
e-Mail cglikson@ciudad.com.ar

Searching for

GLIKSON, GLICKSON, GLUCKSOHN, GLUECKSOHN: Marijampole, Suwalki, Augustow,
Sejny,Sopotkin,Koenigsberg. POKROISKY, POKROJSKI, POKROY: Suwalki, Seirijai.
Lomza. ALPEROVICH, ALPEROWICZ: Kremenchug, Vilnius. HOLLANDERSKY,
HOLLENDERSKI, HOLLANDER: Suwalki, Seirijai, Lomza. TARNOPOLSKY, TARNOPOL:
Kremenchug, Kharkov. FELCHINSKY: Kremenchug, Vilnius, Felschtin?. KARP:
Grodno. SMELIENSKY(?), KRASNAPOLSKY(?), BLUMIGDAL (?), GOLUMBIEWSKY,
GOLOMB(?)


Re: Mt Zion Cemetery, Maspeth, Queens #general

Yendor62@...
 

Maria Torrres writes:

<<I spoke with a very informative and nice representative of Mount Zion
yesterday, who told me in passing that photographs of stones could be
provided to people who live out of area (I don't, and don't qualify, so
will have to rope my brother into another car trek to Queens).>>

All well and good, but when I went there to find a headstone of a young
child, whose immigrant parents had very little money, the 1920 headstone
had sunk so low that the name was buried, and the rest of the stone pretty
much unreadable. No picture would have been any help at all, until we dug
down to unearth the name, and then enhanced the picture we were able to
take. In this case, I doubt that the cemetery could have provided a
usable picture.
Unfortunately, there are some things that no one else can or will do for us.
I hope others have better luck - we had to make our own.
Toby Rodney
Apex, NC
yendor62@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Mt Zion Cemetery, Maspeth, Queens #general

Yendor62@...
 

Maria Torrres writes:

<<I spoke with a very informative and nice representative of Mount Zion
yesterday, who told me in passing that photographs of stones could be
provided to people who live out of area (I don't, and don't qualify, so
will have to rope my brother into another car trek to Queens).>>

All well and good, but when I went there to find a headstone of a young
child, whose immigrant parents had very little money, the 1920 headstone
had sunk so low that the name was buried, and the rest of the stone pretty
much unreadable. No picture would have been any help at all, until we dug
down to unearth the name, and then enhanced the picture we were able to
take. In this case, I doubt that the cemetery could have provided a
usable picture.
Unfortunately, there are some things that no one else can or will do for us.
I hope others have better luck - we had to make our own.
Toby Rodney
Apex, NC
yendor62@aol.com


Re: viewmate help needed #belarus

Scott D. Seligman <heyscott@...>
 

Will a kind Yiddish speaker out there please let me know what these two
documents mean? We found them - one letter and one post card - in a box
in Aunt Frieda's basement and can't decipher them. I don't need a
literal translation - just a general sense of what's being said.

Many, many thanks!

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=1969
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=1970

Sincerely,

Scott Seligman


Belarus SIG #Belarus RE: viewmate help needed #belarus

Scott D. Seligman <heyscott@...>
 

Will a kind Yiddish speaker out there please let me know what these two
documents mean? We found them - one letter and one post card - in a box
in Aunt Frieda's basement and can't decipher them. I don't need a
literal translation - just a general sense of what's being said.

Many, many thanks!

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=1969
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=1970

Sincerely,

Scott Seligman


Travel to Pinsk and Vicinity #belarus

Stepak
 

The Pinsk Yanov and Vicinity Association of Israel is planning its biannual
journey to Pinsk this coming July. This year's trip will be to Belarus only.
The accent will be on Pinsk and surrounding towns. The trip this year will
commemorate 60 years since the destruction of the ghetto. Details will be
supplied when they are finalized. This is a preliminary notification. Anyone
interested is invited to contact me privately.
Ellen Stepak
Ramat Gan, Israel
estepak@zahav.net.il


Belarus SIG #Belarus Travel to Pinsk and Vicinity #belarus

Stepak
 

The Pinsk Yanov and Vicinity Association of Israel is planning its biannual
journey to Pinsk this coming July. This year's trip will be to Belarus only.
The accent will be on Pinsk and surrounding towns. The trip this year will
commemorate 60 years since the destruction of the ghetto. Details will be
supplied when they are finalized. This is a preliminary notification. Anyone
interested is invited to contact me privately.
Ellen Stepak
Ramat Gan, Israel
estepak@zahav.net.il


Re: Mount Richmond Cemetery, Staten Island #belarus

Yendor62@...
 

<<We'd like to plan a visit to Mt Richmond in early spring, and would
appreciate knowing what to expect and how to dress.>>

In partial answer to Michelle Frager's question, this past September
(2002) I visited Mt Richmond Cemetery to find a grave site for a genner who
lives in another country. while I cannot speak about the cemetery as a
whole, the part that I visited was in good condition. Furthermore, there is
an ongoing project there to provide headstones for the more than 10,000
unmarked graves. The resident Rabbi, Rabbi Shmuel Plafker was able to show
me the grave I was seeking, along with its newly installed headstone. His
personal and professional goals are to assure each and every needy Jew in the
NYC metro area with a dignified Jewish burial, and to provide headstones for
all the unmarked graves. Working without the aid of computers, he can (given
a year and month of death) locate any given gravesite in the cemetery. He
also oversees other Jewish cemeteries on Staten Island, including Silver Lake
Cemetery, where I was seeking a grave that has been unmarked and unattended
since 1903. Rabbi Plafker is passionate about his work, and it is obviously
a labor of love for his fellow man. If you are interested in finding out
more about the HBFA and the headstone project, here is a website:
http://www.chesednet.org/HFBA/
As far as how to dress, the part of the cemetery I visited was clean, but
I can't speak for the rest of the cemetery. I was there on a rainy day, and
naturally there was mud. I'd be cautious about visiting any cemetery, and
wear strong shoes, long pants, and bring gloves and something to kneel on in
case you decide to do some clearing. I'd also suggest some simple gardening
tools, just in case.

Toby Rodney
Apex, NC
yendor62@aol.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Mount Richmond Cemetery, Staten Island #belarus

Yendor62@...
 

<<We'd like to plan a visit to Mt Richmond in early spring, and would
appreciate knowing what to expect and how to dress.>>

In partial answer to Michelle Frager's question, this past September
(2002) I visited Mt Richmond Cemetery to find a grave site for a genner who
lives in another country. while I cannot speak about the cemetery as a
whole, the part that I visited was in good condition. Furthermore, there is
an ongoing project there to provide headstones for the more than 10,000
unmarked graves. The resident Rabbi, Rabbi Shmuel Plafker was able to show
me the grave I was seeking, along with its newly installed headstone. His
personal and professional goals are to assure each and every needy Jew in the
NYC metro area with a dignified Jewish burial, and to provide headstones for
all the unmarked graves. Working without the aid of computers, he can (given
a year and month of death) locate any given gravesite in the cemetery. He
also oversees other Jewish cemeteries on Staten Island, including Silver Lake
Cemetery, where I was seeking a grave that has been unmarked and unattended
since 1903. Rabbi Plafker is passionate about his work, and it is obviously
a labor of love for his fellow man. If you are interested in finding out
more about the HBFA and the headstone project, here is a website:
http://www.chesednet.org/HFBA/
As far as how to dress, the part of the cemetery I visited was clean, but
I can't speak for the rest of the cemetery. I was there on a rainy day, and
naturally there was mud. I'd be cautious about visiting any cemetery, and
wear strong shoes, long pants, and bring gloves and something to kneel on in
case you decide to do some clearing. I'd also suggest some simple gardening
tools, just in case.

Toby Rodney
Apex, NC
yendor62@aol.com


Searching descendants of Aron SCHON of Lemberg #galicia

GeoffMun@...
 

Hi,

I am seraching for the descendants of Aron SCHON who was born around 1800 in
Lvov (Lemberg). He married Sarah and they had several children including;-

- Moses, born February 1825
- Jacob, born January 1828
- Abraham, born May 1830
- Elias, born October 1820. Elias, married Gittel and he is listed in the
1891 Galician Business Directory as an Ironware Dealer. Their children
included Marcus Hersch and Jacob, who resided at one time in Vienna at 11,
Pazmaniten Gasse .

Marcus Hersch SCHON was born in Lvov in November 1855 and was a dealer in
metals. In January 1879, he married Charlotte Leah SCHOTTLANDER, daughter
of Asher Anschel SCHOTTLANDER and Chana FASSECHES of Brody. They had 3
children:-
- Adolphus, born November 1879 in Brody
- Bettie, born in Lvov in October 1883
- Oswald, born in VIenna in August 1887

Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

Regards,

Geoff Munitz
GeoffMun@aol.com

Researching: MUNITZ of Vidze; SLAVOOTSKI of Lipovets, SCHON of Lvov;
SCHOTTLANDER and FASSECHES of Brody; ROBINS and YURGELANCKE of Vilna


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Searching descendants of Aron SCHON of Lemberg #galicia

GeoffMun@...
 

Hi,

I am seraching for the descendants of Aron SCHON who was born around 1800 in
Lvov (Lemberg). He married Sarah and they had several children including;-

- Moses, born February 1825
- Jacob, born January 1828
- Abraham, born May 1830
- Elias, born October 1820. Elias, married Gittel and he is listed in the
1891 Galician Business Directory as an Ironware Dealer. Their children
included Marcus Hersch and Jacob, who resided at one time in Vienna at 11,
Pazmaniten Gasse .

Marcus Hersch SCHON was born in Lvov in November 1855 and was a dealer in
metals. In January 1879, he married Charlotte Leah SCHOTTLANDER, daughter
of Asher Anschel SCHOTTLANDER and Chana FASSECHES of Brody. They had 3
children:-
- Adolphus, born November 1879 in Brody
- Bettie, born in Lvov in October 1883
- Oswald, born in VIenna in August 1887

Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

Regards,

Geoff Munitz
GeoffMun@aol.com

Researching: MUNITZ of Vidze; SLAVOOTSKI of Lipovets, SCHON of Lvov;
SCHOTTLANDER and FASSECHES of Brody; ROBINS and YURGELANCKE of Vilna


not the same boats but boats to Argentina #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

My uncle left Mscibow (not far >from Ruzhany where he was born) which is
next door to Kossovo. On the site I did for Mscibow, someone in Argentina
(who is now in Israel) gave me a list of some of the people who had
immigrated >from Mscibow to Argentina together with dates and names of
boats. Even though this was about 10-15 years before the time you are
looking for it may help.
www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Mscibow

Rose Feldman


Re: Relative with Very Unusual Name "Zerschube" #general

s_wiener@...
 

Hi, Genners,

I would like to thank all those who wrote to me both
through the group and privately. I would guess from
the responses that taking an "adopted" child along for
the journey was more common than I thought.

Still, with all explanations in, I do wonder why no
other Zerschube shows up on EIDB even if there are
other listings of Zerschube on other data bases.


<< On October 1, 1900, my ggm, Tzeryl Golembe arrived
in NYC >from Lubashov, [Pinsk] Russia on the Rotterdam
along with her children: Annie, Isidor, Mollie and
Harry. They were listed as:
Galemba Zrul 35
Galemba Tenne 10
Galemba Malke 5
Galemba Eisik 4
Galemba Herschel 3

Along with them was another child, a girl, listed as:
Galemba Perl Zerschube 11 niece..." <

And as a note about
misunderstood/misspelled/misrepresented names, let me
say that my ggm, Tzeryl [ a Yiddish diminutive meaning
"princess" just like the Hebrew Sarah] had her name
butchered into Zrul for the ship manifest. If it
hadn't been for the children, I never would have found
her in the EIDB.

In the United States, she went by the name of Celia.
Her husband, who had arrived 4 years earlier, was
named Yoel Shlame or Solomon in English - NOT Srul
[Yiddish for Israel.]

Also, having visited my great-aunt Annie's grave this
past summer, I can verify that her Hebrew name was
Teme Rivka [bat Yoel Shlame] so the Tenne listing is
not so far off.

I have found when looking for a name, one must have
great imagination. [Talking to yourself out loud
doesn't hurt either.]

Many thanks again,
Shellie Wiener
San Francisco

searching for:
Golembe, Macnitsky, Rosenfeld, Rosenthal - Lubashov
and Lakhva, Belarus Berner - Krzywcze, Poland
Rubinger, Hochstadt, Wallach, Pacht, Grill - Putila,
Wiznitz, and Dorna [Vatra], Bukovina
Wiener, Windwer - Kolomyya, Ukraine or Bukovina
Geist - Kutno, Poland


Re: Kisinor, Russia #general

Carlos Glikson
 

Orinne Goldberg's "Kisinor, Russia" might well be Chisinau, in today's
Moldova . Some variant names: Kischinew, Kiscinev, Kishinef, Kishinev,
Kishiniv, according to JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm

Orinne mentioned her eldest great aunt was born in "Kisinor, Russia" and
"desperately seeks" for FROOKS >from Odessa . Chisinau / Kischinew.. is
located about 90 miles WNW >from Odessa.

Just in case (look ma, no assumptions!) many people who "came >from Odessa"
meant they boarded on Odessa, or spent some time in Odessa before
emigrating.

Hope this helps,

Carlos GLIKSON
Buenos Aires, Argentina
e-Mail cglikson@ciudad.com.ar

Searching for

GLIKSON, GLICKSON, GLUCKSOHN, GLUECKSOHN: Marijampole, Suwalki, Augustow,
Sejny,Sopotkin,Koenigsberg. POKROISKY,POKROJSKI, POKROY: Suwalki, Seirijai.
Lomza. ALPEROVICH, ALPEROWICZ: Kremenchug, Vilnius. HOLLANDERSKY,
HOLLENDERSKI, HOLLANDER: Suwalki, Seirijai, Lomza. TARNOPOLSKY, TARNOPOL:
Kremenchug, Kharkov. FELCHINSKY: Kremenchug, Vilnius, Felschtin?. KARP:
Grodno. SMELIENSKY(?),KRASNAPOLSKY(?),BLUMIGDAL(?),GOLUMBIEWSKY,GOLOMB(?)


Krzentowski #general

Robbert de GROOT <rdegroot@...>
 

Searching for any information about KRZENTOWSKI survivors
Please write

Robbert de GROOT
email address : rdegroot@free.fr


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen not the same boats but boats to Argentina #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

My uncle left Mscibow (not far >from Ruzhany where he was born) which is
next door to Kossovo. On the site I did for Mscibow, someone in Argentina
(who is now in Israel) gave me a list of some of the people who had
immigrated >from Mscibow to Argentina together with dates and names of
boats. Even though this was about 10-15 years before the time you are
looking for it may help.
www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Mscibow

Rose Feldman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Relative with Very Unusual Name "Zerschube" #general

s_wiener@...
 

Hi, Genners,

I would like to thank all those who wrote to me both
through the group and privately. I would guess from
the responses that taking an "adopted" child along for
the journey was more common than I thought.

Still, with all explanations in, I do wonder why no
other Zerschube shows up on EIDB even if there are
other listings of Zerschube on other data bases.


<< On October 1, 1900, my ggm, Tzeryl Golembe arrived
in NYC >from Lubashov, [Pinsk] Russia on the Rotterdam
along with her children: Annie, Isidor, Mollie and
Harry. They were listed as:
Galemba Zrul 35
Galemba Tenne 10
Galemba Malke 5
Galemba Eisik 4
Galemba Herschel 3

Along with them was another child, a girl, listed as:
Galemba Perl Zerschube 11 niece..." <

And as a note about
misunderstood/misspelled/misrepresented names, let me
say that my ggm, Tzeryl [ a Yiddish diminutive meaning
"princess" just like the Hebrew Sarah] had her name
butchered into Zrul for the ship manifest. If it
hadn't been for the children, I never would have found
her in the EIDB.

In the United States, she went by the name of Celia.
Her husband, who had arrived 4 years earlier, was
named Yoel Shlame or Solomon in English - NOT Srul
[Yiddish for Israel.]

Also, having visited my great-aunt Annie's grave this
past summer, I can verify that her Hebrew name was
Teme Rivka [bat Yoel Shlame] so the Tenne listing is
not so far off.

I have found when looking for a name, one must have
great imagination. [Talking to yourself out loud
doesn't hurt either.]

Many thanks again,
Shellie Wiener
San Francisco

searching for:
Golembe, Macnitsky, Rosenfeld, Rosenthal - Lubashov
and Lakhva, Belarus Berner - Krzywcze, Poland
Rubinger, Hochstadt, Wallach, Pacht, Grill - Putila,
Wiznitz, and Dorna [Vatra], Bukovina
Wiener, Windwer - Kolomyya, Ukraine or Bukovina
Geist - Kutno, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Kisinor, Russia #general

Carlos Glikson
 

Orinne Goldberg's "Kisinor, Russia" might well be Chisinau, in today's
Moldova . Some variant names: Kischinew, Kiscinev, Kishinef, Kishinev,
Kishiniv, according to JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm

Orinne mentioned her eldest great aunt was born in "Kisinor, Russia" and
"desperately seeks" for FROOKS >from Odessa . Chisinau / Kischinew.. is
located about 90 miles WNW >from Odessa.

Just in case (look ma, no assumptions!) many people who "came >from Odessa"
meant they boarded on Odessa, or spent some time in Odessa before
emigrating.

Hope this helps,

Carlos GLIKSON
Buenos Aires, Argentina
e-Mail cglikson@ciudad.com.ar

Searching for

GLIKSON, GLICKSON, GLUCKSOHN, GLUECKSOHN: Marijampole, Suwalki, Augustow,
Sejny,Sopotkin,Koenigsberg. POKROISKY,POKROJSKI, POKROY: Suwalki, Seirijai.
Lomza. ALPEROVICH, ALPEROWICZ: Kremenchug, Vilnius. HOLLANDERSKY,
HOLLENDERSKI, HOLLANDER: Suwalki, Seirijai, Lomza. TARNOPOLSKY, TARNOPOL:
Kremenchug, Kharkov. FELCHINSKY: Kremenchug, Vilnius, Felschtin?. KARP:
Grodno. SMELIENSKY(?),KRASNAPOLSKY(?),BLUMIGDAL(?),GOLUMBIEWSKY,GOLOMB(?)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Krzentowski #general

Robbert de GROOT <rdegroot@...>
 

Searching for any information about KRZENTOWSKI survivors
Please write

Robbert de GROOT
email address : rdegroot@free.fr