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Re: Country origin for the name BERTA? Re: More questions about names #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Check the H-Sig archive. This name has been largely reviewed before.
Alternate spelling: Bertha.

Robert Neu

BruceKitty@aol.com wrote:
Would anyone know the origin for the name
BERTA? My Hungarian grandmother's
name was Berta, yet this seems to be an unusual name . I only heard of
one
other Berta who happened to have been Viennese. (I am researching my
grandmother's ancestors, trying to find great grandparents.. Perhaps if
I would know the
country origin for Berta, it may offer some leads.)
Many thanks,
Kitty Sauber NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Please check also the JewishGen InfoFiles covering
Jewish names and Jewish naming customs:
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/#Names>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Country origin for the name BERTA? Re: More questions about names #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Check the H-Sig archive. This name has been largely reviewed before.
Alternate spelling: Bertha.

Robert Neu

BruceKitty@aol.com wrote:
Would anyone know the origin for the name
BERTA? My Hungarian grandmother's
name was Berta, yet this seems to be an unusual name . I only heard of
one
other Berta who happened to have been Viennese. (I am researching my
grandmother's ancestors, trying to find great grandparents.. Perhaps if
I would know the
country origin for Berta, it may offer some leads.)
Many thanks,
Kitty Sauber NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Please check also the JewishGen InfoFiles covering
Jewish names and Jewish naming customs:
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/#Names>


Re: More questions about names #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

that sounds unusual, although i haven't spent time looking at the records.
but are they using the same name, or is it written as if it were a second,
or middle name? i think that jewish names like "yitzhak ben avraham pipick"
often were recorded as "yitzhak avraham pipick", which to us might look like
the son receiving his father's name as a middle name, where in reality,
it was just a patronymic (and one that might well have disappeared after
emancipation). at least that pattern seemed to emerge >from some of the
discussions in the main jewishgen list.

....... tom klein, toronto

Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com> wrote:


To my experience >from looking at countless Hungarian pre 1895 B,M,D
FHL Films as well as about 50,000 records for the 1848 census,
children having the same secular name as their parents is very
common.

Go on the AHD search the records for any town and look at the result.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Re: More questions about names #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

that sounds unusual, although i haven't spent time looking at the records.
but are they using the same name, or is it written as if it were a second,
or middle name? i think that jewish names like "yitzhak ben avraham pipick"
often were recorded as "yitzhak avraham pipick", which to us might look like
the son receiving his father's name as a middle name, where in reality,
it was just a patronymic (and one that might well have disappeared after
emancipation). at least that pattern seemed to emerge >from some of the
discussions in the main jewishgen list.

....... tom klein, toronto

Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com> wrote:


To my experience >from looking at countless Hungarian pre 1895 B,M,D
FHL Films as well as about 50,000 records for the 1848 census,
children having the same secular name as their parents is very
common.

Go on the AHD search the records for any town and look at the result.


Re: More questions about names #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

Did the rabbis advise those parents, beforehand?
I don't think that the rabbi had to much influence in the naming, it
might be different by the orthodox community, but the majority of the
Hungarian Jews were quite assimilated and followed other naming conventions.
What Robert Neu says "children having the same secular name as their
parents" it was quite usual by the not Jewish population, ifjabb (Jr.),
idösb (Sr.) etc. but Jews preferred to take the name of perished family
members. I am not saying that this is or was a general rule, but to my
knowledge it was often practisized.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Robert Neu schrieb:

To my experience >from looking at countless Hungarian pre 1895 B,M,D
FHL Films as well as about 50,000 records for the 1848 census, children
having the same secular name as their parents is very common.

Go on the AHD search the records for any town and look at the result.

Robert Neu
--- Cohentalk@aol.com wrote:


Dear Members,

Sometimes, parents chose names for their babies that were another
form of their own names or so similar, that I wonder if they did this
from lack of naming knowledge. Did the rabbis advise those parents,
beforehand? I am referring to my g gm who's name was Roza and her
daughter was named Racza and called Rotzi.

Is there any connection between the female names Seva and Sheindel?

Thanks for your help,
Linda Cohen
Michigan USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: More questions about names #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

Did the rabbis advise those parents, beforehand?
I don't think that the rabbi had to much influence in the naming, it
might be different by the orthodox community, but the majority of the
Hungarian Jews were quite assimilated and followed other naming conventions.
What Robert Neu says "children having the same secular name as their
parents" it was quite usual by the not Jewish population, ifjabb (Jr.),
idösb (Sr.) etc. but Jews preferred to take the name of perished family
members. I am not saying that this is or was a general rule, but to my
knowledge it was often practisized.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Robert Neu schrieb:

To my experience >from looking at countless Hungarian pre 1895 B,M,D
FHL Films as well as about 50,000 records for the 1848 census, children
having the same secular name as their parents is very common.

Go on the AHD search the records for any town and look at the result.

Robert Neu
--- Cohentalk@aol.com wrote:


Dear Members,

Sometimes, parents chose names for their babies that were another
form of their own names or so similar, that I wonder if they did this
from lack of naming knowledge. Did the rabbis advise those parents,
beforehand? I am referring to my g gm who's name was Roza and her
daughter was named Racza and called Rotzi.

Is there any connection between the female names Seva and Sheindel?

Thanks for your help,
Linda Cohen
Michigan USA


Re: Country origin for the name BERTA? #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

Berta, according my book "Lado Janos: Magyar utonevek" came >from the
German Berta, and this >from the goddess Perchta. She was the German
goddess of the winter solstice, also the goddesss of the birth of the
light. At the same time it is also pet name for names with -berta ending.

It is not a frequent but not an unusual name. More or less out of
curiosity I chacked a list of Bekescsaba >from the 40ies, between 619
names I found 19 women Berta.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

BruceKitty@aol.com schrieb:

Would anyone know the origin for the name BERTA? My Hungarian grandmother's
name was Berta, yet this seems to be an unusual name . I only heard of one
other Berta who happened to have been Viennese. (I am researching my
grandmother's ancestors, trying to find great grandparents.. Perhaps if I would know the
country origin for Berta, it may offer some leads.)
Many thanks,
Kitty Sauber NY


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Country origin for the name BERTA? #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

Berta, according my book "Lado Janos: Magyar utonevek" came >from the
German Berta, and this >from the goddess Perchta. She was the German
goddess of the winter solstice, also the goddesss of the birth of the
light. At the same time it is also pet name for names with -berta ending.

It is not a frequent but not an unusual name. More or less out of
curiosity I chacked a list of Bekescsaba >from the 40ies, between 619
names I found 19 women Berta.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

BruceKitty@aol.com schrieb:

Would anyone know the origin for the name BERTA? My Hungarian grandmother's
name was Berta, yet this seems to be an unusual name . I only heard of one
other Berta who happened to have been Viennese. (I am researching my
grandmother's ancestors, trying to find great grandparents.. Perhaps if I would know the
country origin for Berta, it may offer some leads.)
Many thanks,
Kitty Sauber NY


PICKHOLTZ (all spellings) #ukraine

NJ55TURTLE@...
 

Hello Genners;

I need your help and or suggestions.

The PICKHOLTZ (all spellings) research group has located two boys in the English
1901 Census.
1:: Morris Pichols, age 7, born in Cape Colony, and a student at the Jew's
Hospital and Orphan Asylum School;
2:: Jacob S. Pickholz, age 13, a citizen of Russia, and a student at the Hayes
Industrial School for Jewish Boys.

After trying many of the suggestions given >from a past posting, ie. try the new
owners of the school; Southampton College Library; Archivist for the schools;
the London Archives, I still know NOTHING.

I am trying to find anything about these boys--- what may have happened to them;
are they still alive, who were their parents; how they came to be students at these
schools, ANYTHING.

Can You help?????????

Steve Pickholtz
Tabernacle, New Jersey
USA
searching-- PICKHOLTZ (all spellings)and WINITSKY (all spellings)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine PICKHOLTZ (all spellings) #ukraine

NJ55TURTLE@...
 

Hello Genners;

I need your help and or suggestions.

The PICKHOLTZ (all spellings) research group has located two boys in the English
1901 Census.
1:: Morris Pichols, age 7, born in Cape Colony, and a student at the Jew's
Hospital and Orphan Asylum School;
2:: Jacob S. Pickholz, age 13, a citizen of Russia, and a student at the Hayes
Industrial School for Jewish Boys.

After trying many of the suggestions given >from a past posting, ie. try the new
owners of the school; Southampton College Library; Archivist for the schools;
the London Archives, I still know NOTHING.

I am trying to find anything about these boys--- what may have happened to them;
are they still alive, who were their parents; how they came to be students at these
schools, ANYTHING.

Can You help?????????

Steve Pickholtz
Tabernacle, New Jersey
USA
searching-- PICKHOLTZ (all spellings)and WINITSKY (all spellings)


HARPAZ in Sao Paulo, Brazil #latinamerica

Jose Gutstein
 

I have a lead that the son of Radzilow Rabbi Kiwa/Akiva Goldberg (who served
in that position >from the late 1800's to early 1920's), went to Sao Paulo,
Brazil, and may still be alive, though ill. His name is Itzak HARPAZ (having
Hebraicized the surname). His wife is named Hannah Harpaz. He has two sons,
one of whom is named Alexander Harpaz, and he's a doctor. The other is named
Akiva Harpaz (after his Rabbi grandfather)

If someone knows this family or can please contact them for me, I would be
very appreciative.

I have a lot of information and documents for this family about their
Goldberg roots in Radzilow to the late-1700's, and connections throughout
Israel and America. They likely have photos and/or letters >from the Rabbi,
and I would really like to find those.

I can also put them in touch with some of their distant Goldberg relatives I
recently found in Israel, who provided me with the lead.

Please contact me privately if you can help me get in touch with this
family.

Thank you.

...........................................
Jose Gutstein
E-Mail: Gutstein@bellsouth.net
Radzilow web page: http://www.radzilow.com
Szczuczyn web page: http://www.szczuczyn.com
Wizna web page: http://www.wizna.com
Radzilow Area Town Tour: http://www.radzilow.com/towns/towntour.htm


Latin America #LatinAmerica HARPAZ in Sao Paulo, Brazil #latinamerica

Jose Gutstein
 

I have a lead that the son of Radzilow Rabbi Kiwa/Akiva Goldberg (who served
in that position >from the late 1800's to early 1920's), went to Sao Paulo,
Brazil, and may still be alive, though ill. His name is Itzak HARPAZ (having
Hebraicized the surname). His wife is named Hannah Harpaz. He has two sons,
one of whom is named Alexander Harpaz, and he's a doctor. The other is named
Akiva Harpaz (after his Rabbi grandfather)

If someone knows this family or can please contact them for me, I would be
very appreciative.

I have a lot of information and documents for this family about their
Goldberg roots in Radzilow to the late-1700's, and connections throughout
Israel and America. They likely have photos and/or letters >from the Rabbi,
and I would really like to find those.

I can also put them in touch with some of their distant Goldberg relatives I
recently found in Israel, who provided me with the lead.

Please contact me privately if you can help me get in touch with this
family.

Thank you.

...........................................
Jose Gutstein
E-Mail: Gutstein@bellsouth.net
Radzilow web page: http://www.radzilow.com
Szczuczyn web page: http://www.szczuczyn.com
Wizna web page: http://www.wizna.com
Radzilow Area Town Tour: http://www.radzilow.com/towns/towntour.htm


MaHaRSHaL's Kever #rabbinic

NRD1616@...
 

Last summer, I was on a tour of Poland with R. Prof. Shneir Leiman.
We were in Lublin and saw the MaHaRSHaL's Kever It Is cracked in
half and needs fixing. We were told it can not be done since other
bones rolled into the kever and they can not fix it.

Nechama Dreyfuss


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic MaHaRSHaL's Kever #rabbinic

NRD1616@...
 

Last summer, I was on a tour of Poland with R. Prof. Shneir Leiman.
We were in Lublin and saw the MaHaRSHaL's Kever It Is cracked in
half and needs fixing. We were told it can not be done since other
bones rolled into the kever and they can not fix it.

Nechama Dreyfuss


Russian Translation Request #ukraine

JUDITH BERLOWITZ <jberlowitz@...>
 

Dear Siggers,
I've just posted three photos of postcards sent from
Ekaterinoslav in the early 20th century. I would very
much appreciate translations of the captions on the
photos. Viewmate numbers are 4696-8. To view the
cards, please go to
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp

I copied them (with permission) >from the beautiful
website,
http://www.zimdocs.btinternet.co.uk/fh/index.html

Please reply privately.

Judith Berlowitz
Berkeley, California
Searching (short list): BER(E)LOWITZ: Orekhov,
Dnepropetrovsk, BILLIG: Brzezany, LEBER: Brzezany,
MANTEL: Brzezany, SEIDLIN: Dnepropetrovsk


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Russian Translation Request #ukraine

JUDITH BERLOWITZ <jberlowitz@...>
 

Dear Siggers,
I've just posted three photos of postcards sent from
Ekaterinoslav in the early 20th century. I would very
much appreciate translations of the captions on the
photos. Viewmate numbers are 4696-8. To view the
cards, please go to
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp

I copied them (with permission) >from the beautiful
website,
http://www.zimdocs.btinternet.co.uk/fh/index.html

Please reply privately.

Judith Berlowitz
Berkeley, California
Searching (short list): BER(E)LOWITZ: Orekhov,
Dnepropetrovsk, BILLIG: Brzezany, LEBER: Brzezany,
MANTEL: Brzezany, SEIDLIN: Dnepropetrovsk


JGS of Greater Washington: September 12th Event #general

Aaron Werbel <werbel@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington invites you to our first event
of the year: a day long celebration of the 350th Anniversary of Jews in America
at the Historic 6th and I Synagogue in downtown Washington, DC. on Sunday, 12
September 2004.

The day kicks off at 11:00 AM with Jonina Duker speaking on the "ABCs of Jewish
Organizations, and Other Random Fun Facts About the 350th Anniversary of Jews in
America." Ms. Duker is a regular presenter, speaker and writer on genealogy and
founded the JewishGen Yiddish Theater and Vaudeville Research Group.

A special video will be presented three times starting at 12:30 PM. The video,
"The Old Days: Jewish Life in Washington, D.C." is a documentary on the history
of Jews in our Nation's Capital by Esther McBride. The voices of 13 older
Washingtonians tell their stories as the viewers are immersed in photographs of
the past in this moving oral/visual history of Jewish Washington DC.

Guided tours of the recently recovered and restored 6th and I Historic Synagogue
will be led by synagogue staff between 12:00 and 1:30. For more information
about this national historic treasure located near Chinatown in Washington DC
visit www.sixthandi.org . The synagogue is two blocks >from the
Gallery Place-Chinatown metro stop. See their website for specific directions.

Our afternoon program begins at 2:00 PM and features guest speaker, Harry A.
Ezratty, the author of "They Led the Way: The Creators of Jewish America," Volume
II of his trilogy, "The Jews in the New World." In this work, Mr. Ezratty
describes the earliest Jewish experiences in the United States. He profiles 13
early Americans who were instrumental in shaping the United States as we know it
today, with its guarantees of religious freedom and civil rights. His lecture
will take a genealogical spin on this fascinating material.

Officers of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington will be on hand
throughout the day to answer questions about membership and genealogy research.

Date: Sunday, September 12, 2004
Place: 6th and I Historic Synagogue, 600 I Street, Washington DC
Time: 11:00-12:00 Jonina Druker, "The ABCs of Jewish Organizations and Other
Random Fun Facts."
12:00, 12:30, 1:00 Tours of the Synagogue
12:30, 1:00, 1:30 Video Presentation, "The Old Days: Jewish Life in
Washington DC"
2:00-4:00 Harry A. Ezratty, "They Led the Way: The Creaters of Jewish
America"

We have planned an interesting, exciting, and educational day of programming to
kick off the new year. Please come and join us. Members and Non-members are
welcome alike.

Aaron Werbel
Vice-President, Membership
JGSGW
werbel@mail.com

For more information on JGSGW and its activities, please visit the JGSGW website
at: www.jewishgen.org/jgsgw


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Greater Washington: September 12th Event #general

Aaron Werbel <werbel@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington invites you to our first event
of the year: a day long celebration of the 350th Anniversary of Jews in America
at the Historic 6th and I Synagogue in downtown Washington, DC. on Sunday, 12
September 2004.

The day kicks off at 11:00 AM with Jonina Duker speaking on the "ABCs of Jewish
Organizations, and Other Random Fun Facts About the 350th Anniversary of Jews in
America." Ms. Duker is a regular presenter, speaker and writer on genealogy and
founded the JewishGen Yiddish Theater and Vaudeville Research Group.

A special video will be presented three times starting at 12:30 PM. The video,
"The Old Days: Jewish Life in Washington, D.C." is a documentary on the history
of Jews in our Nation's Capital by Esther McBride. The voices of 13 older
Washingtonians tell their stories as the viewers are immersed in photographs of
the past in this moving oral/visual history of Jewish Washington DC.

Guided tours of the recently recovered and restored 6th and I Historic Synagogue
will be led by synagogue staff between 12:00 and 1:30. For more information
about this national historic treasure located near Chinatown in Washington DC
visit www.sixthandi.org . The synagogue is two blocks >from the
Gallery Place-Chinatown metro stop. See their website for specific directions.

Our afternoon program begins at 2:00 PM and features guest speaker, Harry A.
Ezratty, the author of "They Led the Way: The Creators of Jewish America," Volume
II of his trilogy, "The Jews in the New World." In this work, Mr. Ezratty
describes the earliest Jewish experiences in the United States. He profiles 13
early Americans who were instrumental in shaping the United States as we know it
today, with its guarantees of religious freedom and civil rights. His lecture
will take a genealogical spin on this fascinating material.

Officers of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington will be on hand
throughout the day to answer questions about membership and genealogy research.

Date: Sunday, September 12, 2004
Place: 6th and I Historic Synagogue, 600 I Street, Washington DC
Time: 11:00-12:00 Jonina Druker, "The ABCs of Jewish Organizations and Other
Random Fun Facts."
12:00, 12:30, 1:00 Tours of the Synagogue
12:30, 1:00, 1:30 Video Presentation, "The Old Days: Jewish Life in
Washington DC"
2:00-4:00 Harry A. Ezratty, "They Led the Way: The Creaters of Jewish
America"

We have planned an interesting, exciting, and educational day of programming to
kick off the new year. Please come and join us. Members and Non-members are
welcome alike.

Aaron Werbel
Vice-President, Membership
JGSGW
werbel@mail.com

For more information on JGSGW and its activities, please visit the JGSGW website
at: www.jewishgen.org/jgsgw


Conference: "The Phenomenon of the Lodz Ghetto" #general

MiriFM@...
 

I regret that the title of the upcoming conference was given incorrectly. It is
"The Phenomenon of the Lodz Ghetto."

If anyone is planning to attend the International Conference, October 11-12, 2004,
in Lodz, please let me know privately.

Miriam Friedman Morris
NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Conference: "The Phenomenon of the Lodz Ghetto" #general

MiriFM@...
 

I regret that the title of the upcoming conference was given incorrectly. It is
"The Phenomenon of the Lodz Ghetto."

If anyone is planning to attend the International Conference, October 11-12, 2004,
in Lodz, please let me know privately.

Miriam Friedman Morris
NY