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Re: Pisha Paysha Hand Game Remembered #galicia

Marjorie Rosenfeld <marjorierosenfeld@...>
 

Carole Glick Feinberg describes "a circle created by a piece of string from
which shapes are created >from the string with a finger >from each hand, each
player taking a turn creating a new geometric shape while easing the string
off the previous player's hands onto his/her own."

This sounds like what we used to call Cat's Cradle when I was growing up in
America (back in the remote past of the 1930's and 1940's). As far as I
know, children still play it. Only they don't have to be Jewish or say
anything in Yiddish! It starts with a loop of string placed on the outside
of two hands that are held apart to keep the string taut, but, as I recall,
with the string running in front of the middle finger (the one next to the
index finger) on each hand. Then you take the same finger >from the opposite
hand and insert it under the bit of string opposite and pull your hand
back--but you have to do this simultaneously with each hand. This creates
diamond shapes, and the next player then pinches where the string lines
intersect on both sides of the configuration created, using his thumb and
index finger on each hand and, firmly holding onto the string, he brings the
bit he's pinching over the sides of the rest of the string and underneath
the configuration and then up >from the bottom through the center, moving his
hands apart when this is completed to hold the string taut. Each time
there's a move by one of the players, a new configuration is created.

Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld


Re: Pisha Paysha Hand Game Remembered #galicia

Tammy
 

Funny, I'm in my mid- 30's and my parents taught me Pisha Paysha as a card
game: Each player tried to get rid of his/her cards by placing the cards
on the opponent's exposed pile in either ascending or descending order;
simultaneously building the table >from ace to king in each suit. It
started out slow, but became a very fast chaotic game by the second
round. My families are from: Kanczuga Galicia, Bielsk Poland, Minsk
Belarus, and Dnepropetrovsk Ukraine. I wonder how a game with string
evolved into a game with a deck of cards!

Tammy Sarote
New York


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Pisha Paysha Hand Game Remembered #galicia

Marjorie Rosenfeld <marjorierosenfeld@...>
 

Carole Glick Feinberg describes "a circle created by a piece of string from
which shapes are created >from the string with a finger >from each hand, each
player taking a turn creating a new geometric shape while easing the string
off the previous player's hands onto his/her own."

This sounds like what we used to call Cat's Cradle when I was growing up in
America (back in the remote past of the 1930's and 1940's). As far as I
know, children still play it. Only they don't have to be Jewish or say
anything in Yiddish! It starts with a loop of string placed on the outside
of two hands that are held apart to keep the string taut, but, as I recall,
with the string running in front of the middle finger (the one next to the
index finger) on each hand. Then you take the same finger >from the opposite
hand and insert it under the bit of string opposite and pull your hand
back--but you have to do this simultaneously with each hand. This creates
diamond shapes, and the next player then pinches where the string lines
intersect on both sides of the configuration created, using his thumb and
index finger on each hand and, firmly holding onto the string, he brings the
bit he's pinching over the sides of the rest of the string and underneath
the configuration and then up >from the bottom through the center, moving his
hands apart when this is completed to hold the string taut. Each time
there's a move by one of the players, a new configuration is created.

Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Pisha Paysha Hand Game Remembered #galicia

Tammy
 

Funny, I'm in my mid- 30's and my parents taught me Pisha Paysha as a card
game: Each player tried to get rid of his/her cards by placing the cards
on the opponent's exposed pile in either ascending or descending order;
simultaneously building the table >from ace to king in each suit. It
started out slow, but became a very fast chaotic game by the second
round. My families are from: Kanczuga Galicia, Bielsk Poland, Minsk
Belarus, and Dnepropetrovsk Ukraine. I wonder how a game with string
evolved into a game with a deck of cards!

Tammy Sarote
New York


Re: Pisha Paysha Hand Game Remembered #galicia

Drexler <asleuth@...>
 

The game mentioned below with the string is one I learned as a child and it
was called cats cradle by those who played it, although I learned it from
Christian friends. The Pisha Paysha game I was taught by my grandmother
who was born in Lithuania was actually a card game played with a complete
deck of cards. It was similar to rummy or poker.

Patcha patcha kichalach was a game she played with all the children when we
were small and we use to clap hands while reciting the rhyme.

Anita Drexler
Sunny Isles Beach

Searching: MODEL and BERLIN Galicia

----- Original Message -----

The thread which dealt with the hand game of Yiddish
rhyming, pinching, and tickling brings to mind the game my
grandmother taught us called (phonetically), "pisha
paysha", in which a string is tied, creating a circle. The
circle is tautly placed outside both upright hands which
face each other. Without recalling exactly how, I
remember shapes being created >from the string with a
finger >from each hand, each player taking a turn creating
a new geometric shape while easing the string off the
previous player's hands onto his/her own.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Pisha Paysha Hand Game Remembered #galicia

Drexler <asleuth@...>
 

The game mentioned below with the string is one I learned as a child and it
was called cats cradle by those who played it, although I learned it from
Christian friends. The Pisha Paysha game I was taught by my grandmother
who was born in Lithuania was actually a card game played with a complete
deck of cards. It was similar to rummy or poker.

Patcha patcha kichalach was a game she played with all the children when we
were small and we use to clap hands while reciting the rhyme.

Anita Drexler
Sunny Isles Beach

Searching: MODEL and BERLIN Galicia

----- Original Message -----

The thread which dealt with the hand game of Yiddish
rhyming, pinching, and tickling brings to mind the game my
grandmother taught us called (phonetically), "pisha
paysha", in which a string is tied, creating a circle. The
circle is tautly placed outside both upright hands which
face each other. Without recalling exactly how, I
remember shapes being created >from the string with a
finger >from each hand, each player taking a turn creating
a new geometric shape while easing the string off the
previous player's hands onto his/her own.


SINGER #ukraine

MATHOV Yehuda & Pnina <mathov@...>
 

M A T H O V Pnina & Yehuda.
Neve Efraym, ISRAEL

Dear People
Shalom
I shall apreciate your help with any information about Yoile and Gussie SINGER.

They were brothers, born in mid 19th century in Bessarabia and emigrated to North America around the end of the same century. Another brother, Moishe emigrated to South America.

Both, with their families, were the parents of at least four daughthers.

Thank all of you. Yehuda MATHOV in
Israel


researching families:
MATHOV - MATOFF - DASHEVSKY - VULISCHER - SHULKIN,
from Ukrayne.
SINGER - WATMAN - LANFIR - BLANC - DOCTOROVICH - HICK - PETASHNIK - GLUSHANKOV
from Bessarabia.
HONISBERG - DIEZENHAUS
from Poland.
WAADIAEFF - VAADIA
from Bukhara


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine SINGER #ukraine

MATHOV Yehuda & Pnina <mathov@...>
 

M A T H O V Pnina & Yehuda.
Neve Efraym, ISRAEL

Dear People
Shalom
I shall apreciate your help with any information about Yoile and Gussie SINGER.

They were brothers, born in mid 19th century in Bessarabia and emigrated to North America around the end of the same century. Another brother, Moishe emigrated to South America.

Both, with their families, were the parents of at least four daughthers.

Thank all of you. Yehuda MATHOV in
Israel


researching families:
MATHOV - MATOFF - DASHEVSKY - VULISCHER - SHULKIN,
from Ukrayne.
SINGER - WATMAN - LANFIR - BLANC - DOCTOROVICH - HICK - PETASHNIK - GLUSHANKOV
from Bessarabia.
HONISBERG - DIEZENHAUS
from Poland.
WAADIAEFF - VAADIA
from Bukhara


Lazovoye and Krivoy Rog #ukraine

Tammy
 

According to EIDB, some of my family came >from Krivoy Rog 47'55" 33'21" while other manifests stated they came >from Aleksandrovsk. >from what I understand Krivoy Rog is a shtetl within Aleksandrovsk, so some people were more specific about the place of origin than others.

My question comes in with the backs of some pictures that I was finally able to have translated. The pictures were taken in Lazovoye 47'41" 32'57". According to Shtetl Seeker, Lazovoye is 25 miles SW of Krivoy Rog. Is it likely that my ancestors would have traveled 25 miles to get their pictures taken during the early 1900's, or is it more likely that they actually lived in this smaller shtetl and used Krivoy Rog as their place of origin on the manifests?
Tammy Sarote
Tasu1@aol.com
New York


Leiber #ukraine

Silverman, Bill <bsilverman@...>
 

My Hebrew name is Leibe, and I am named for my g-grandfather Leibe, from
Podolia in Russia (Ukraine). I assume this means beloved.
Bill Silverman
SILVERMAN SADOWSKY MUSHER NUN ALEXANDER LIPKOWITZ LIPSKI


Where is Oulakhi, Bessarabia? #ukraine

Vivian308@...
 

Dear Genners,

I found a possible relative, Frida CHATZANSKY, on the EIDB. Her place of
birth is listed as Bessarabia, and the town as Oulakhi. The year she came
was 1923. My other Chatzansky's are >from Kiev, or somewhere near there; all
the records just say Kiev. I searched on ShtetlSeeker and found the most
promising choices to be Ol'khi, 85 miles >from Kiev, Ul'kha, 125 miles >from
Kiev, or Olyka, 207 miles >from Kiev. I read that Bessarabia included parts
of the Ukraine.

Does anyone know which town would most likely be part of Bessarabia at that
time, or has heard of Oulakhi? I found Genners searching Olyka in the
Discussion Group Archives, but no one searching Oulakhi.

Thank you very much.

Vivian Finkelstein
Chicago, Illinois
Vivian308@aol.com

Searching: CHATZANSKY changed to CHECANSKY or other variations, >from Kiev
PASSIMANIK changed to PASSMAN >from near Vilna, Lithuania
LEVIN >from Ludza (Lutsen), Latvia


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Lazovoye and Krivoy Rog #ukraine

Tammy
 

According to EIDB, some of my family came >from Krivoy Rog 47'55" 33'21" while other manifests stated they came >from Aleksandrovsk. >from what I understand Krivoy Rog is a shtetl within Aleksandrovsk, so some people were more specific about the place of origin than others.

My question comes in with the backs of some pictures that I was finally able to have translated. The pictures were taken in Lazovoye 47'41" 32'57". According to Shtetl Seeker, Lazovoye is 25 miles SW of Krivoy Rog. Is it likely that my ancestors would have traveled 25 miles to get their pictures taken during the early 1900's, or is it more likely that they actually lived in this smaller shtetl and used Krivoy Rog as their place of origin on the manifests?
Tammy Sarote
Tasu1@aol.com
New York


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Leiber #ukraine

Silverman, Bill <bsilverman@...>
 

My Hebrew name is Leibe, and I am named for my g-grandfather Leibe, from
Podolia in Russia (Ukraine). I assume this means beloved.
Bill Silverman
SILVERMAN SADOWSKY MUSHER NUN ALEXANDER LIPKOWITZ LIPSKI


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Where is Oulakhi, Bessarabia? #ukraine

Vivian308@...
 

Dear Genners,

I found a possible relative, Frida CHATZANSKY, on the EIDB. Her place of
birth is listed as Bessarabia, and the town as Oulakhi. The year she came
was 1923. My other Chatzansky's are >from Kiev, or somewhere near there; all
the records just say Kiev. I searched on ShtetlSeeker and found the most
promising choices to be Ol'khi, 85 miles >from Kiev, Ul'kha, 125 miles >from
Kiev, or Olyka, 207 miles >from Kiev. I read that Bessarabia included parts
of the Ukraine.

Does anyone know which town would most likely be part of Bessarabia at that
time, or has heard of Oulakhi? I found Genners searching Olyka in the
Discussion Group Archives, but no one searching Oulakhi.

Thank you very much.

Vivian Finkelstein
Chicago, Illinois
Vivian308@aol.com

Searching: CHATZANSKY changed to CHECANSKY or other variations, >from Kiev
PASSIMANIK changed to PASSMAN >from near Vilna, Lithuania
LEVIN >from Ludza (Lutsen), Latvia


Thanks for the Kessiel etc responses #ukraine

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear List:

Though the moderators have closed the subject to further discussion,
I hope they will allow me to thank those of you - and there were more
than I would have thought - who took the time to write on my family's
particular Kessiel query. Now we know - it was/is not an
idiosyncratic rarity.

Again, this shows how beneficial our forum is with its generous
participants.


Michelle Frager, Metro-NYC
Ukraine: TRIEGER/FRAGER, SEROTA, ZEKTZER, SHWAISBERG, BASSUK
Belarus: FRAKT, WOLFSON, LIFSHITZ, DINABURSKY


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Thanks for the Kessiel etc responses #ukraine

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear List:

Though the moderators have closed the subject to further discussion,
I hope they will allow me to thank those of you - and there were more
than I would have thought - who took the time to write on my family's
particular Kessiel query. Now we know - it was/is not an
idiosyncratic rarity.

Again, this shows how beneficial our forum is with its generous
participants.


Michelle Frager, Metro-NYC
Ukraine: TRIEGER/FRAGER, SEROTA, ZEKTZER, SHWAISBERG, BASSUK
Belarus: FRAKT, WOLFSON, LIFSHITZ, DINABURSKY


Re: "City Hall" (USC), Poland - Quite a Difference in Pricing #general

Michael McTeer <desrx@...>
 

I thought my previous post of 2/14/2003 concluded my thread. But......

I sent a note of 'apology' to USC Sosnowiec for my 'misunderstanding'. I
would not have requested the documents at 35USD each had I known they were
that costly. They were helpful and provided me with birthdates/document
references of three of my great grandmother's children which I did not have
previously. I thought also that perhaps the documents had been 'certified'
which accounted such a price.

Apparently I am not the only one surprised at the cost as they responded:

"Your certificates in Poland cost (5x15 PLN )+5 PLN = 80 PLN ( 20,50 USD
for all )."

This is of course quite a difference >from the 175USD 'bill' I received from
the consulate.

Michael McTeer
29 Palms, CA
desrx@mybluelight.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "City Hall" (USC), Poland - Quite a Difference in Pricing #general

Michael McTeer <desrx@...>
 

I thought my previous post of 2/14/2003 concluded my thread. But......

I sent a note of 'apology' to USC Sosnowiec for my 'misunderstanding'. I
would not have requested the documents at 35USD each had I known they were
that costly. They were helpful and provided me with birthdates/document
references of three of my great grandmother's children which I did not have
previously. I thought also that perhaps the documents had been 'certified'
which accounted such a price.

Apparently I am not the only one surprised at the cost as they responded:

"Your certificates in Poland cost (5x15 PLN )+5 PLN = 80 PLN ( 20,50 USD
for all )."

This is of course quite a difference >from the 175USD 'bill' I received from
the consulate.

Michael McTeer
29 Palms, CA
desrx@mybluelight.com


Up-and-down Pisha Paysha #general

Rica Goldberg
 

Dear Genners

My maternal grandmother (born 1866) who appears on the 1874 Revision List
on JewishGen Database for Zeimiai (not far >from Kovno) in Lithuania and
who lived in Manchester UK used to "command" me (in her borken English
accent) to sit down and play "up-and-down pisha paysha" with her when I
was a teenager.

Did anyone else play "up-and-down"???

Rica B Goldberg

Still researching:- ESTRY >from Poland; BERLINSKIE >from Charlottenburg in
Berlin; KAMENSHCHIK >from Zeimia and Jonova in Lithuania; DIAMOND >from
Kovno Gubernia; FRANK >from Garliava in Lithuania; LEVI >from Sompolno in
Poland; PETEROFSKIE >from Poland.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Up-and-down Pisha Paysha #general

Rica Goldberg
 

Dear Genners

My maternal grandmother (born 1866) who appears on the 1874 Revision List
on JewishGen Database for Zeimiai (not far >from Kovno) in Lithuania and
who lived in Manchester UK used to "command" me (in her borken English
accent) to sit down and play "up-and-down pisha paysha" with her when I
was a teenager.

Did anyone else play "up-and-down"???

Rica B Goldberg

Still researching:- ESTRY >from Poland; BERLINSKIE >from Charlottenburg in
Berlin; KAMENSHCHIK >from Zeimia and Jonova in Lithuania; DIAMOND >from
Kovno Gubernia; FRANK >from Garliava in Lithuania; LEVI >from Sompolno in
Poland; PETEROFSKIE >from Poland.