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Re: Ochan, Poland near Hrubieszow? #general

Nick Landau <N.Landau@...>
 

It is just an idea. Ochojno is near Krakow.

See

http://www.maporama.com/share/Map.asp?SESSIONID=%7BB5115B4D-3054-42C3-923C
-F20B8F25C6B67D&NavigateHeight=46&NavigateWidth=46&ClickMode=1&ZoomOut.
x=11&ZoomOut.y=18
Nick


Hello All,

I have a ship manifest for the arrival in 1920 of a relative at Ellis
Island which shows the place of birth as "Ochan, Poland".

The place of residence of the nearest friend or relative is stated as
"Rubieschow, Poland".

The ship manifest is clear and actually typewritten.

I wonder if anyone has any idea where "Ochan, Poland" is?

I can't seem to find a trace of it anywhere.


Shana Tova,

Moshe Steinberg
Vancouver CANADA
MODERATOR NOTE: Make sure the entire URL is copied


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ochan, Poland near Hrubieszow? #general

Nick Landau <N.Landau@...>
 

It is just an idea. Ochojno is near Krakow.

See

http://www.maporama.com/share/Map.asp?SESSIONID=%7BB5115B4D-3054-42C3-923C
-F20B8F25C6B67D&NavigateHeight=46&NavigateWidth=46&ClickMode=1&ZoomOut.
x=11&ZoomOut.y=18
Nick


Hello All,

I have a ship manifest for the arrival in 1920 of a relative at Ellis
Island which shows the place of birth as "Ochan, Poland".

The place of residence of the nearest friend or relative is stated as
"Rubieschow, Poland".

The ship manifest is clear and actually typewritten.

I wonder if anyone has any idea where "Ochan, Poland" is?

I can't seem to find a trace of it anywhere.


Shana Tova,

Moshe Steinberg
Vancouver CANADA
MODERATOR NOTE: Make sure the entire URL is copied


Re: The Kalonymus Family #rabbinic

MBernet@...
 

On 2003.09.24, Larry Tauber <Ltauber@ctswlaw.com> writes:

Even if the Kalonymides were not Leviim, this would not necessarily
mean they could not be ancestors of the MaHaRSHa (who was a Levi)
and his relative the TaZ (also a Levi), at least according to Paul
Jacobi who in his researches stated that their descent >from the
Kalonymide family was through a maternal line.
Indeed, a major point. Given the admissibility of maternal descent
and the original tiny population of Ashkenazim and the many
generations of their successors (ken yirbu!), every one of us can
plausibly claim descent >from our original "Mayblumen" and their
illustrious rabbanim.

For someone today to claim descent >from Rashi or King David, is not
a proof of their ancestral scholarship or regality, but of their
indefatigable devotion to ancestral research, and to their unabashed
credulity.

Michael Bernet, New York
Descendant of Hanniba`al, Yehuda haNasi and Noach


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: The Kalonymus Family #rabbinic

MBernet@...
 

On 2003.09.24, Larry Tauber <Ltauber@ctswlaw.com> writes:

Even if the Kalonymides were not Leviim, this would not necessarily
mean they could not be ancestors of the MaHaRSHa (who was a Levi)
and his relative the TaZ (also a Levi), at least according to Paul
Jacobi who in his researches stated that their descent >from the
Kalonymide family was through a maternal line.
Indeed, a major point. Given the admissibility of maternal descent
and the original tiny population of Ashkenazim and the many
generations of their successors (ken yirbu!), every one of us can
plausibly claim descent >from our original "Mayblumen" and their
illustrious rabbanim.

For someone today to claim descent >from Rashi or King David, is not
a proof of their ancestral scholarship or regality, but of their
indefatigable devotion to ancestral research, and to their unabashed
credulity.

Michael Bernet, New York
Descendant of Hanniba`al, Yehuda haNasi and Noach


Success Stories #ukraine

Alan Tapper <sabaalan@...>
 

First of all let me wish all of you L'Shana Tovah

Then I want to tell you of two success stories that could not have happened
without all of your help.

The most recent happened in the Ukraine SIG where I sent our a request to
try and find cousins who left Tulchin for Sao Paulo, Brazil. I know that my
grandmother had visited them in the 1930's and that they had visited my
parents in 1947 never to be heard >from until last week.

Thanks to Alberto Seltzer >from Sao Paula who recalled that his mother had a
friend of the same last name that I was looking for. He did some
investigating and not only found the cousin but provided me with e-mail
addresses of her grandchildren, one of whom is very interested in genealogy.
We have been exchanging information for several days now. Most importantly
I now know why the family left Russia ( the Ukraine) and when.

With some additional help we may be able to locate another lost relative. A
woman who was studying at Harvard about three years ago set me a e-mail
because her grand father was ELI BURDMAN >from Tulchin and she noticed that I
was looking for BURDMAN family >from Tulchin. Unfortunately I do not have
her address and with this new information I believe that we are indeed
cousins. ELI BURDMAN would be about 94 if he was still alive. He was
living in Tel Aviv.

The second success story came about because someone again saw that I was
researching the Mendelovich family >from Byten. He was also researching a
family with a different spelling, Mendelevitch. His history went back to
1650 based on information told to his great uncle before he left Byten in
1901. The family history was told to him by my wife's great great
grandfather who had been the family scribe.

The year 1650 is a strange coincidence because I was talking with someone
who's wife was a direct descendant of the Cardoza family >from Spain and
their history seems to start in 1650. I forgot to mention that the
Mendelovich family had changed their name in 1771 when they moved to Byten.
It had been Mendoza.

Anyway, I want to wish you all a healthy and Happy New Year and hope some of
you have as much succes in the coming year as I did in this year.

Al Tapper
Fairfax, VA.

Searching:
NEMIROVSKY >from Lipovets, TAPPER >from Snitkov
BURDMAN, DUCKLER and STUCKLEMAN >from Tulchin, MENDOZA >from Kobryn
MENDELEWICZ, MENDELOVICH, MENDELOVITCH >from Byten, HOCHBERG >from Iasi
GORMAN >from Baronovich


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Success Stories #ukraine

Alan Tapper <sabaalan@...>
 

First of all let me wish all of you L'Shana Tovah

Then I want to tell you of two success stories that could not have happened
without all of your help.

The most recent happened in the Ukraine SIG where I sent our a request to
try and find cousins who left Tulchin for Sao Paulo, Brazil. I know that my
grandmother had visited them in the 1930's and that they had visited my
parents in 1947 never to be heard >from until last week.

Thanks to Alberto Seltzer >from Sao Paula who recalled that his mother had a
friend of the same last name that I was looking for. He did some
investigating and not only found the cousin but provided me with e-mail
addresses of her grandchildren, one of whom is very interested in genealogy.
We have been exchanging information for several days now. Most importantly
I now know why the family left Russia ( the Ukraine) and when.

With some additional help we may be able to locate another lost relative. A
woman who was studying at Harvard about three years ago set me a e-mail
because her grand father was ELI BURDMAN >from Tulchin and she noticed that I
was looking for BURDMAN family >from Tulchin. Unfortunately I do not have
her address and with this new information I believe that we are indeed
cousins. ELI BURDMAN would be about 94 if he was still alive. He was
living in Tel Aviv.

The second success story came about because someone again saw that I was
researching the Mendelovich family >from Byten. He was also researching a
family with a different spelling, Mendelevitch. His history went back to
1650 based on information told to his great uncle before he left Byten in
1901. The family history was told to him by my wife's great great
grandfather who had been the family scribe.

The year 1650 is a strange coincidence because I was talking with someone
who's wife was a direct descendant of the Cardoza family >from Spain and
their history seems to start in 1650. I forgot to mention that the
Mendelovich family had changed their name in 1771 when they moved to Byten.
It had been Mendoza.

Anyway, I want to wish you all a healthy and Happy New Year and hope some of
you have as much succes in the coming year as I did in this year.

Al Tapper
Fairfax, VA.

Searching:
NEMIROVSKY >from Lipovets, TAPPER >from Snitkov
BURDMAN, DUCKLER and STUCKLEMAN >from Tulchin, MENDOZA >from Kobryn
MENDELEWICZ, MENDELOVICH, MENDELOVITCH >from Byten, HOCHBERG >from Iasi
GORMAN >from Baronovich


WARSHAWSKY #ukraine

genielady@...
 

hello group,
on my uncle's ww1 draft card he states he was >from TERGOVITZ (in Russia at
the time).
could this be TORHORYCJA? this is the only town with a similar name and his
mother was >from Talnoye which i believe is not far >from there.
if anyone knows of this town, are there records available today from
approxiamtely 1850- 1910?

thank-you

lynn weisberg
baltimore
SEARCHING FOR: ABRAHAM and BREINE WARSHAWSKY FAMILY

Moderator's Note: Try looking for Targowicze in the Shtetl-Finder.
It was also called "Truvitz."


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine WARSHAWSKY #ukraine

genielady@...
 

hello group,
on my uncle's ww1 draft card he states he was >from TERGOVITZ (in Russia at
the time).
could this be TORHORYCJA? this is the only town with a similar name and his
mother was >from Talnoye which i believe is not far >from there.
if anyone knows of this town, are there records available today from
approxiamtely 1850- 1910?

thank-you

lynn weisberg
baltimore
SEARCHING FOR: ABRAHAM and BREINE WARSHAWSKY FAMILY

Moderator's Note: Try looking for Targowicze in the Shtetl-Finder.
It was also called "Truvitz."


Israel #latvia

mgetz@...
 

Hilda and I will be travelling to Israel after Sukkot arriving Oct 27th.

I would welcome any suggestions or ideas to prepare the ground for
a successful and meaningful Latvia SIG participation at the IAJGS
Conference in Israel next year.

Will be meeting Martha and other friends concerned with planning
and organising that important event.

Please respond to me directly at mgetz@erols.com

A Happy, Healthy and Sweet Rosh Hashanah to all.

Mike Getz
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/e/t/Mike-Getz/index.html?Welcome=982031185


Latvia SIG #Latvia Israel #latvia

mgetz@...
 

Hilda and I will be travelling to Israel after Sukkot arriving Oct 27th.

I would welcome any suggestions or ideas to prepare the ground for
a successful and meaningful Latvia SIG participation at the IAJGS
Conference in Israel next year.

Will be meeting Martha and other friends concerned with planning
and organising that important event.

Please respond to me directly at mgetz@erols.com

A Happy, Healthy and Sweet Rosh Hashanah to all.

Mike Getz
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/e/t/Mike-Getz/index.html?Welcome=982031185


Re: Marriages of first cousins #general

Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

In the US, each state has different rules about marriages, so it would
depend where the couple married as to whether first cousin marriages were
allowed. I remember, not so many years ago, when 2 grandchildren of a
famous Chassidic rabbi were going to marry. They couldn't legally marry
in NY, so the marriage was held in New Jersey, not far away, in a football
stadium as I remember, for about ten thousand close friends. The
reception was in NY.

Another alternative to the false name is the likelihood that a brother
and a sister's children were married, or two sisters, so that they would
naturally have different surnames. Generally, the marriage record (but
not certificate) would have the parents names on it, so you might not
have all the information possible.

A third possibility is that one of the names was changed (my guess would
be Drozdowitz) to something easier to spell and pronounce. Again, the
marriage record and further research might make this clear.

I am sure there are other possibilities also, not to say that if you are
searching in a big city like NY you might have the wrong DROZDOWITZ.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Marriages of first cousins #general

Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

In the US, each state has different rules about marriages, so it would
depend where the couple married as to whether first cousin marriages were
allowed. I remember, not so many years ago, when 2 grandchildren of a
famous Chassidic rabbi were going to marry. They couldn't legally marry
in NY, so the marriage was held in New Jersey, not far away, in a football
stadium as I remember, for about ten thousand close friends. The
reception was in NY.

Another alternative to the false name is the likelihood that a brother
and a sister's children were married, or two sisters, so that they would
naturally have different surnames. Generally, the marriage record (but
not certificate) would have the parents names on it, so you might not
have all the information possible.

A third possibility is that one of the names was changed (my guess would
be Drozdowitz) to something easier to spell and pronounce. Again, the
marriage record and further research might make this clear.

I am sure there are other possibilities also, not to say that if you are
searching in a big city like NY you might have the wrong DROZDOWITZ.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


Re: Birth records - mother's family #galicia

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

Israel brings up a few points about the vital records from
eastern Galician towns that can be ordered >from the AGAD Archives
in Warsaw via the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland order
processing system.

Point one is the appearance of the mother's parents names on the
birth record of her children. To summarize the answer: there is
No rule - there is little consistency in the recording of births
in Galician records.

Before 1877, when Jewish vital record keeping was standardized,
the recording of the mother's ancestral information was not
consistent. In some cases, the father's given name only was
recorded. In some cases, the father's surname and given name were
recorded. In a few cases, the mother's given name was also
recorded. I do not recall ever seeing the mother's mother's
maiden name. The practice varied not only by town, but by
Registrar. If the Registrar changed, the recording of names on
the birth records may have also changed.

In 1877, the data required on the forms to record Jewish births
was standardized. This included the given names, surnames,
occupation, and place of residence of the mother's parents.
Although this requirement was standard, the implementation was
not consistent as Israel points out. Again, the recording of the
mother's mother's surname varied >from town to town and Registrar
to Registrar.

The second point is what information is included on Lwow/Lviv
birth records. So far, JRI-Poland has indexed only the 1889-1899
birth records for Lwow. In these records, the mother's ancestral
information is usually as Israel describes it -- both the
father's and mother's surnames are recorded. This is very
important for further genealogical research as indexing of the
earlier births, as well as marriages and deaths, are still to be
indexed. In these Lwow records, I have also noticed that the
actual street address in Lwow is recorded as the location of the
birth (usually the house of the parents or a close relative).
This is unique as House Number was recorded for location of birth
in all other eastern Galician towns.

Lwow indexing continues with 1877-1888 births. The indexing of
1814-37, 62-76 births, 1870-99 marriages, and 1864-99 deaths will
hopefully follow. If you are interested in the Lwow indexing,
please contact me privately.

L'Shana Tovah,
Mark Halpern
AGAD Archives Coordinator
JRI-Poland

----- Original Message -----
Since the inception of the JRI-Poland project (actually, even
earlier), the Pikholz
Project has ordered a large number of AGAD records, for at
least a dozen towns
and cities in East Galicia. The actual records generally
include the names of the
mother's parents - although not in all years is this the case.

In the case of Lwow, however, the records we have ordered have
had an additional piece of information.- the maiden name of the
child's maternal grandmother. For instance, Mendel and Blime Brandes
had five children in Tarnopol and one in Lwow. The four records we
have for Tarnopol list Blime's
parents as Peretz and Perl Pikholz, >from which we cannot deduce
for certain whether Perl or Peretz is the Pikholz. For the child born
in Lwow (the fourth in birth order), Blime's parents are listed as
Peretz Pikholz and Perl Nagler. Needless to say, this can be very
important.

We have only a handful of Lwow births, so I cannot say if this
is the rule or if we just got lucky, but I thought I'd bring it to your
attention. At the same time, I'd be curious to know if this information
appears in other places in East Galicia.

(In another inslance, the Lwow record shows that the widowed
grandmother lives with the family.)

Wishing you all a good new year and a happy and meaningful Rosh
Hashanah.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Birth records - mother's family #general

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

Israel brings up a few points about the vital records from
eastern Galician towns that can be ordered >from the AGAD Archives
in Warsaw via the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland order
processing system.

Point one is the appearance of the mother's parents names on the
birth record of her children. To summarize the answer: there is
No rule - there is little consistency in the recording of births
in Galician records.

Before 1877, when Jewish vital record keeping was standardized,
the recording of the mother's ancestral information was not
consistent. In some cases, the father's given name only was
recorded. In some cases, the father's surname and given name were
recorded. In a few cases, the mother's given name was also
recorded. I do not recall ever seeing the mother's mother's
maiden name. The practice varied not only by town, but by
Registrar. If the Registrar changed, the recording of names on
the birth records may have also changed.

In 1877, the data required on the forms to record Jewish births
was standardized. This included the given names, surnames,
occupation, and place of residence of the mother's parents.
Although this requirement was standard, the implementation was
not consistent as Israel points out. Again, the recording of the
mother's mother's surname varied >from town to town and Registrar
to Registrar.

The second point is what information is included on Lwow/Lviv
birth records. So far, JRI-Poland has indexed only the 1889-1899
birth records for Lwow. In these records, the mother's ancestral
information is usually as Israel describes it -- both the
father's and mother's surnames are recorded. This is very
important for further genealogical research as indexing of the
earlier births, as well as marriages and deaths, are still to be
indexed. In these Lwow records, I have also noticed that the
actual street address in Lwow is recorded as the location of the
birth (usually the house of the parents or a close relative).
This is unique as House Number was recorded for location of birth
in all other eastern Galician towns.

Lwow indexing continues with 1877-1888 births. The indexing of
1814-37, 62-76 births, 1870-99 marriages, and 1864-99 deaths will
hopefully follow. If you are interested in the Lwow indexing,
please contact me privately.

L'Shana Tovah,
Mark Halpern
AGAD Archives Coordinator
JRI-Poland

----- Original Message -----
Since the inception of the JRI-Poland project (actually, even
earlier), the Pikholz
Project has ordered a large number of AGAD records, for at
least a dozen towns
and cities in East Galicia. The actual records generally
include the names of the
mother's parents - although not in all years is this the case.

In the case of Lwow, however, the records we have ordered have
had an additional piece of information.- the maiden name of the
child's maternal grandmother. For instance, Mendel and Blime Brandes
had five children in Tarnopol and one in Lwow. The four records we
have for Tarnopol list Blime's
parents as Peretz and Perl Pikholz, >from which we cannot deduce
for certain whether Perl or Peretz is the Pikholz. For the child born
in Lwow (the fourth in birth order), Blime's parents are listed as
Peretz Pikholz and Perl Nagler. Needless to say, this can be very
important.

We have only a handful of Lwow births, so I cannot say if this
is the rule or if we just got lucky, but I thought I'd bring it to your
attention. At the same time, I'd be curious to know if this information
appears in other places in East Galicia.

(In another inslance, the Lwow record shows that the widowed
grandmother lives with the family.)

Wishing you all a good new year and a happy and meaningful Rosh
Hashanah.

Israel Pickholtz


Re: The Kalonymus Family #rabbinic

Chava Agmon <havahug@...>
 

On 2003.09.24, Larry Tauber <Ltauber@ctswlaw.com> wrote:

Even if the Kalonymides were not Leviim, this would not necessarily
mean they could not be ancestors of the MaHaRSHa (who was a Levi)
and his relative the TaZ (also a Levi), at least according to Paul
Jacobi who in his researches stated that their descent >from the
Kalonymide family was through a maternal line.
Greetings to Larry.

In order to further confirm what Paul Jacoby z"l wrote (Revised
edition October 1988) about the descent of the Kalonymides through
a maternal line, I am quoting the following: Under the title
"Tradition of descent >from the Kalonymedes family"

"Further evidence will be required for holding as "historically
established" (inverted commas in the original) the (Caro) family
tradition, that the wife of its said (protohistoric) ancestor
R' Joseph II Kara b. Shimon I - Kara was Daughter b. R' Kalonymus
haSaken Kalonymides and that, consequently, through her the Karas
could claim descent >from Aschkenasi Jewry's founding family, the
KALONYMIDES, >from whom also RASCHI's mother descended ......
unfortunately, the present writer was unsuccessful in his search
after evidence of R. Joseph II - Kara having indeed been the a
"son-in-law" (inverted commas in the original) of R. Kalonymus
ha-Saken, though he is well documented as "disciple" (inverted
commas in the original) of another Kalonymides; i.e., of
R. Kalonymus X b. Shabtai mi Roma (1030-1096)"

Shalom and Shana Tova
Chava Agmon,
Caro Family Research
havahug@barak-online.net
Tel Aviv, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: The Kalonymus Family #rabbinic

Chava Agmon <havahug@...>
 

On 2003.09.24, Larry Tauber <Ltauber@ctswlaw.com> wrote:

Even if the Kalonymides were not Leviim, this would not necessarily
mean they could not be ancestors of the MaHaRSHa (who was a Levi)
and his relative the TaZ (also a Levi), at least according to Paul
Jacobi who in his researches stated that their descent >from the
Kalonymide family was through a maternal line.
Greetings to Larry.

In order to further confirm what Paul Jacoby z"l wrote (Revised
edition October 1988) about the descent of the Kalonymides through
a maternal line, I am quoting the following: Under the title
"Tradition of descent >from the Kalonymedes family"

"Further evidence will be required for holding as "historically
established" (inverted commas in the original) the (Caro) family
tradition, that the wife of its said (protohistoric) ancestor
R' Joseph II Kara b. Shimon I - Kara was Daughter b. R' Kalonymus
haSaken Kalonymides and that, consequently, through her the Karas
could claim descent >from Aschkenasi Jewry's founding family, the
KALONYMIDES, >from whom also RASCHI's mother descended ......
unfortunately, the present writer was unsuccessful in his search
after evidence of R. Joseph II - Kara having indeed been the a
"son-in-law" (inverted commas in the original) of R. Kalonymus
ha-Saken, though he is well documented as "disciple" (inverted
commas in the original) of another Kalonymides; i.e., of
R. Kalonymus X b. Shabtai mi Roma (1030-1096)"

Shalom and Shana Tova
Chava Agmon,
Caro Family Research
havahug@barak-online.net
Tel Aviv, Israel


Info on Max INGBERG #france

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Dear members,

My Uncle Max INGBERG lived in Brussels, Belgium
(German record dated 24 Oct 1936) at Rue Henri
Vienstemps 52. My Uncle passed away back in 1983 and
as I never met him, I am trying to learn more about
him. Does anyone know how I might find if there are
any records in Belgium for my Uncle? He was born 8
Nov. 1904 Warsaw, Poland. He later moved to Minden,
Germany and it is >from here that he came to Belgium as
a Political Refugee (he was an active member of the
Social Democratic Party in Germany). It is my
understanding that he was very active in the
underground movement in Belgium (specifically 1941)
and helped many to escape. Max was married to Divojra
Laja SOSNOWSKI 4 or 24 Oct 1936, Brussels, Belgium.
They had two children: Rosemarie INGBERG-MADLENER and
Henry INGBERG. I have an address for Rosemarie as Rue
d'Orbais, 10A, 1360 Maleves, Belgium. I wrote and
received one letter, but no responses after that. I
know it is difficult for her to read/write English and
I do not speak/write French. I have never had any
contact with the son and have no address for him. I
have been told that one of the grandchildren is a
concert pianist, I believe Frank MADLENER, son of
Rosemarie. I am anxious to learn more about my Uncle
and hoping that some records will exist in Belgium. I
just do not know where to look!

Any help/suggestions members can provide will be most
appreciated!

Thank you!
Elizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA

Searching: INGBERG, KLEPFISZ, GOLDFLAM, WASSERSPRING,
KUTSCHINSKI, KIRSCHROT, RYWKIND


French SIG #France Info on Max INGBERG #france

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Dear members,

My Uncle Max INGBERG lived in Brussels, Belgium
(German record dated 24 Oct 1936) at Rue Henri
Vienstemps 52. My Uncle passed away back in 1983 and
as I never met him, I am trying to learn more about
him. Does anyone know how I might find if there are
any records in Belgium for my Uncle? He was born 8
Nov. 1904 Warsaw, Poland. He later moved to Minden,
Germany and it is >from here that he came to Belgium as
a Political Refugee (he was an active member of the
Social Democratic Party in Germany). It is my
understanding that he was very active in the
underground movement in Belgium (specifically 1941)
and helped many to escape. Max was married to Divojra
Laja SOSNOWSKI 4 or 24 Oct 1936, Brussels, Belgium.
They had two children: Rosemarie INGBERG-MADLENER and
Henry INGBERG. I have an address for Rosemarie as Rue
d'Orbais, 10A, 1360 Maleves, Belgium. I wrote and
received one letter, but no responses after that. I
know it is difficult for her to read/write English and
I do not speak/write French. I have never had any
contact with the son and have no address for him. I
have been told that one of the grandchildren is a
concert pianist, I believe Frank MADLENER, son of
Rosemarie. I am anxious to learn more about my Uncle
and hoping that some records will exist in Belgium. I
just do not know where to look!

Any help/suggestions members can provide will be most
appreciated!

Thank you!
Elizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA

Searching: INGBERG, KLEPFISZ, GOLDFLAM, WASSERSPRING,
KUTSCHINSKI, KIRSCHROT, RYWKIND


Seeking KLEPFISCH/INGBERG relatives in Belgium #france

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Dear FrenchSIG members,

Thank you to all who have sent responses re: my
questions about the family names RYWKIND and KLEPFISZ
from a 1940 postcard I have. Now, I have a new
question!

In 1993, I sent a quiry to the Israelitische Orthodoxe
Gemeente Machsike Hadass in Antwerp, Belgium. I was
trying to see if any members of my Mother's family
might still be in Belgium (surnames KLEPFISZ and
INGBERG). In response, they sent me two
addresses/phone for KLEPFISCH. I tried writing to
these individuals, but received no answer.
Unfortunately, I do not speak French, so wrote in
English and am wondering if this might be why I
received no response. And then there is always the
thought that when you write to "relatives" for the
first time, they are afraid you "want something." I
am only trying to further trace my Mother's family.
My maternal Grandmother was Sosse Charlotte INGBERG,
nee KLEPFISZ b. 10 Oct 1887 Warsaw Poland. My
maternal Grandfather was Hirsch Wolf INGBERG, b.
1870/71 Warsaw Poland. Both had relatives in Belgium
(early 1900's through war time ... I don't know about
after this time). I am wondering if our members have
any suggestions on how I might attempt, once again, to
contact the following names given to me by the
Orthodox Union:

KLEPFISCH - MARCOVICI, Van Eycklei 42, 2018 Antwerpen
(tel. 230.58.43)

KLEPFISCH B., De Roest d'Alkemadelaan 5, 2600 Berchem
(tel. 230.33.76)

Any help/suggestions will be most appreciated!

Elizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA


French SIG #France Seeking KLEPFISCH/INGBERG relatives in Belgium #france

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Dear FrenchSIG members,

Thank you to all who have sent responses re: my
questions about the family names RYWKIND and KLEPFISZ
from a 1940 postcard I have. Now, I have a new
question!

In 1993, I sent a quiry to the Israelitische Orthodoxe
Gemeente Machsike Hadass in Antwerp, Belgium. I was
trying to see if any members of my Mother's family
might still be in Belgium (surnames KLEPFISZ and
INGBERG). In response, they sent me two
addresses/phone for KLEPFISCH. I tried writing to
these individuals, but received no answer.
Unfortunately, I do not speak French, so wrote in
English and am wondering if this might be why I
received no response. And then there is always the
thought that when you write to "relatives" for the
first time, they are afraid you "want something." I
am only trying to further trace my Mother's family.
My maternal Grandmother was Sosse Charlotte INGBERG,
nee KLEPFISZ b. 10 Oct 1887 Warsaw Poland. My
maternal Grandfather was Hirsch Wolf INGBERG, b.
1870/71 Warsaw Poland. Both had relatives in Belgium
(early 1900's through war time ... I don't know about
after this time). I am wondering if our members have
any suggestions on how I might attempt, once again, to
contact the following names given to me by the
Orthodox Union:

KLEPFISCH - MARCOVICI, Van Eycklei 42, 2018 Antwerpen
(tel. 230.58.43)

KLEPFISCH B., De Roest d'Alkemadelaan 5, 2600 Berchem
(tel. 230.33.76)

Any help/suggestions will be most appreciated!

Elizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA