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Citizenship Question #latvia

K. & L. Bertelsen <layakbtl@...>
 

My late maternal Grandmother (Mama Nana) was born in Libau in 1898. Her
Mother and her Mother's maternal and paternal families (STEINHAUER and
LAPIDUS) were >from Vilna. Her Father and his maternal and paternal family
(PALM and ARONIS) were all born in Libau or earlier in Kuldiga/Goldingen
and perhaps Hasenpoth/Aizpute.
My GGPs were married in Vilna in 1897 and then went to live in Libau.

My GGF died in 1901 (aged only 35 years), and my GGM remarried a year or so
later. Her second husband, who was a widower with a young daughter the same
age as my GM, was born in Shargorad ca.1871.

I do not know when or where my GGM's second marriage took place, but the
family ended up in Odessa, via Mogilev-Podolia and perhaps Vinnitza, some
time pre WWI.

My GGM, her second husband and their two surviving sons, fled >from Odessa
in 1921 - Rumania/Germany - arriving in Montreal in 1925. My GM and her
step-sister were both married then and didn't flee with their parents.

My GPs and my late Mother (born Odessa 1921) left Odessa for Montreal - my
GF in 1925 and Mama Nana and Mama followed in 1926. They travelled back to
Libau, where Mama Nana still had paternal and maternal relatives, whom she
met again at that time. Some managed to get to Israel/ France/South Africa
and America in the 1920s and 1930s, but the rest probably perished. Both
my GFand Mama Nana and Mama travelled >from Odessa to Libau and >from Libau
to London/Montreal on the AUSSONIA (separate voyages).

I still have my Mama Nana's Ukrainian USSR passport, issued in Odessa in
February 1926, which has a Moscow stamp in it also. So, it would seem that
although she was born in Libau, she was a Russian, or perhaps
Ukrainian/USSR citizen, although I cannot say if this was because of her
marriage to my GF, who was born in Odessa, or because anyway Latvia, as her
place of birth, was regarded as part of the Russian Empire and thus the
USSR?????

Mama Nana and Mama became British/Canadian citizens in the 1930s and
travelled to Australia in1938 on a Canadian passport.

Mama always thought she had become an Australian citizen by way of her
first marriage in 1941, but when she and my step-Father could finally
afford to take a holiday overseas in the 1980s, and Mama applied for an
Australian passport, she discovered that she virtually had no citizenship,
as a result of law changes in the 1970s, and had to be naturalized as an
Australian citizen, which caused her untold distress as she had never had a
birth certificate >from Odessa, etc. Eventually it was all sorted out and
Mama and our step-Father finally were able to visit Vienna where Dad had
fled >from in 1938. However, I only managed to obtain a copy of Mama's
birth record >from the Odessa Archives a few years ago. Thank goodness
Mama's health had not deteriorated to such an extent by then, so she
finally was able to see her birth record (in Cyrillic).

So, like everything else, our families were subjected to the whims of
history and it seems someone born in Latvia or Lithuania prior to say
1918/19 would have been a "Tsarist Russian" citizen.

Lorraine Bertelsen
Boho, Downunder

If someone Jewish was born in Leibow (now Leipaja) in Latvia in 1891 and
> left for USA in 1908 and never became a USA citizen what would their
> nationality be (passport) Latvian or Russian or German?????


Latvia SIG #Latvia Citizenship Question #latvia

K. & L. Bertelsen <layakbtl@...>
 

My late maternal Grandmother (Mama Nana) was born in Libau in 1898. Her
Mother and her Mother's maternal and paternal families (STEINHAUER and
LAPIDUS) were >from Vilna. Her Father and his maternal and paternal family
(PALM and ARONIS) were all born in Libau or earlier in Kuldiga/Goldingen
and perhaps Hasenpoth/Aizpute.
My GGPs were married in Vilna in 1897 and then went to live in Libau.

My GGF died in 1901 (aged only 35 years), and my GGM remarried a year or so
later. Her second husband, who was a widower with a young daughter the same
age as my GM, was born in Shargorad ca.1871.

I do not know when or where my GGM's second marriage took place, but the
family ended up in Odessa, via Mogilev-Podolia and perhaps Vinnitza, some
time pre WWI.

My GGM, her second husband and their two surviving sons, fled >from Odessa
in 1921 - Rumania/Germany - arriving in Montreal in 1925. My GM and her
step-sister were both married then and didn't flee with their parents.

My GPs and my late Mother (born Odessa 1921) left Odessa for Montreal - my
GF in 1925 and Mama Nana and Mama followed in 1926. They travelled back to
Libau, where Mama Nana still had paternal and maternal relatives, whom she
met again at that time. Some managed to get to Israel/ France/South Africa
and America in the 1920s and 1930s, but the rest probably perished. Both
my GFand Mama Nana and Mama travelled >from Odessa to Libau and >from Libau
to London/Montreal on the AUSSONIA (separate voyages).

I still have my Mama Nana's Ukrainian USSR passport, issued in Odessa in
February 1926, which has a Moscow stamp in it also. So, it would seem that
although she was born in Libau, she was a Russian, or perhaps
Ukrainian/USSR citizen, although I cannot say if this was because of her
marriage to my GF, who was born in Odessa, or because anyway Latvia, as her
place of birth, was regarded as part of the Russian Empire and thus the
USSR?????

Mama Nana and Mama became British/Canadian citizens in the 1930s and
travelled to Australia in1938 on a Canadian passport.

Mama always thought she had become an Australian citizen by way of her
first marriage in 1941, but when she and my step-Father could finally
afford to take a holiday overseas in the 1980s, and Mama applied for an
Australian passport, she discovered that she virtually had no citizenship,
as a result of law changes in the 1970s, and had to be naturalized as an
Australian citizen, which caused her untold distress as she had never had a
birth certificate >from Odessa, etc. Eventually it was all sorted out and
Mama and our step-Father finally were able to visit Vienna where Dad had
fled >from in 1938. However, I only managed to obtain a copy of Mama's
birth record >from the Odessa Archives a few years ago. Thank goodness
Mama's health had not deteriorated to such an extent by then, so she
finally was able to see her birth record (in Cyrillic).

So, like everything else, our families were subjected to the whims of
history and it seems someone born in Latvia or Lithuania prior to say
1918/19 would have been a "Tsarist Russian" citizen.

Lorraine Bertelsen
Boho, Downunder

If someone Jewish was born in Leibow (now Leipaja) in Latvia in 1891 and
> left for USA in 1908 and never became a USA citizen what would their
> nationality be (passport) Latvian or Russian or German?????


Independent Zetler and all New York burial societies #belarus

Jerome Seligsohn <jselig1315@...>
 

To all those who seek the New York location of
landsmanshaft burial sites one must go to
www.jgsny.org to find these locations under the 10,800
burial societies a gift to us all .
I am pleased to note that a single voice out there has
noticed one of my archived landsmanshaft collections.
It spurs me on to further landsmanshaften archiving.

Jerry Seligsohn
NYC
researching SELIGSOHN and ELKIN of Mogilev/Dnepr


Belarus SIG #Belarus Independent Zetler and all New York burial societies #belarus

Jerome Seligsohn <jselig1315@...>
 

To all those who seek the New York location of
landsmanshaft burial sites one must go to
www.jgsny.org to find these locations under the 10,800
burial societies a gift to us all .
I am pleased to note that a single voice out there has
noticed one of my archived landsmanshaft collections.
It spurs me on to further landsmanshaften archiving.

Jerry Seligsohn
NYC
researching SELIGSOHN and ELKIN of Mogilev/Dnepr


Re: Israel ZOLLER(Eugenio Zolli) #general

Stephen Esrati <stevsta@...>
 

Since rabbi Zolli converted to Catholoicism, I think you should address
your question to the Vatican.

katie sobol wrote:

**************

Dear Fellow Genners:

Does anyone know where the above named Rabbi is buried and what his father's
name was? He was the Chief Rabbi of Rome >from 1940-1945, born 1881 in Brody
and died in Rome March 4, 1956. Any help is appreciated.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Israel ZOLLER(Eugenio Zolli) #general

Stephen Esrati <stevsta@...>
 

Since rabbi Zolli converted to Catholoicism, I think you should address
your question to the Vatican.

katie sobol wrote:

**************

Dear Fellow Genners:

Does anyone know where the above named Rabbi is buried and what his father's
name was? He was the Chief Rabbi of Rome >from 1940-1945, born 1881 in Brody
and died in Rome March 4, 1956. Any help is appreciated.


Family BANK: Sieniawa, Austria. #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Seeking information on family BANK - Sieniawa - Austria.

1895 Chaim Bank arrives in the U.S. with a Marcus Bank
(presumably they are brothers) aged 17 and 18., in 1896 Fischel Bank
arrives, another brother?, to join them, they are listed as
coming >from Sieniawa Austria.

In the 1920 census I find reference to Bank - Hyman
(age corresponds) says he was born in Sieniawa - living
in St. Louis.

Wife Ida age 34, children Pearl 16, Esther 13, Helen 10 and Fischel
4.(all children born in Missouri)

I can find no reference to this family in the 1930 census.

However, I have found on the SSDI Fischel Bank born 1915 in
Missouri died in Los Angeles in 1977. Further investigation
leads me to believe his wife was called Helen, who unfortunately
died at a young age. They appear to have had 2 sons, Hilton and
Ira, neither are listed on the SSDI - they would be now
(2004) approx late 50's early 60's and they both
appear to be living in California with 'unlisted' tel. numbers.

If anyone has knowledge of Hilton, Ira, their respective families or
descendants of Pearl, Esther and Helen I would be delighted
to hear >from you.

Wishing everyone a very Happy, Healthy and Peaceful New Year.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

Searching:-

NADLER - Botosani, Mihaileni - Romania WEINTRAUB - Galatz - Romania
KATZ/CATZ - Piatra Neamt - Romania BANK - Sieniawa - Austria
STITZEL/STUTZEL - Zolynia -Austria GRODSKY - Russia/Poland
WOLF - Poland CZERKOSKI - Kutno - Poland.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family BANK: Sieniawa, Austria. #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Seeking information on family BANK - Sieniawa - Austria.

1895 Chaim Bank arrives in the U.S. with a Marcus Bank
(presumably they are brothers) aged 17 and 18., in 1896 Fischel Bank
arrives, another brother?, to join them, they are listed as
coming >from Sieniawa Austria.

In the 1920 census I find reference to Bank - Hyman
(age corresponds) says he was born in Sieniawa - living
in St. Louis.

Wife Ida age 34, children Pearl 16, Esther 13, Helen 10 and Fischel
4.(all children born in Missouri)

I can find no reference to this family in the 1930 census.

However, I have found on the SSDI Fischel Bank born 1915 in
Missouri died in Los Angeles in 1977. Further investigation
leads me to believe his wife was called Helen, who unfortunately
died at a young age. They appear to have had 2 sons, Hilton and
Ira, neither are listed on the SSDI - they would be now
(2004) approx late 50's early 60's and they both
appear to be living in California with 'unlisted' tel. numbers.

If anyone has knowledge of Hilton, Ira, their respective families or
descendants of Pearl, Esther and Helen I would be delighted
to hear >from you.

Wishing everyone a very Happy, Healthy and Peaceful New Year.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

Searching:-

NADLER - Botosani, Mihaileni - Romania WEINTRAUB - Galatz - Romania
KATZ/CATZ - Piatra Neamt - Romania BANK - Sieniawa - Austria
STITZEL/STUTZEL - Zolynia -Austria GRODSKY - Russia/Poland
WOLF - Poland CZERKOSKI - Kutno - Poland.


Help needed - translation of birth and marriage record #poland

Itta'i Malbin <malbin@...>
 

I've got 2 records >from the Bialystok archive, and I need help
understanding the handwriting.

1. Marriage record of Mejlach BIALY and Gena (Henia) >from 1896:
http://bialystok.netfirms.com/documents/marriage.jpg

2. Birth record of Josel BIALY, son of Mejlach, >from 1899:
http://bialystok.netfirms.com/documents/birth.jpg

Thank you all,

Itta'i MALBIN

Searching: BIALY, EJDERMAN, KOPELMAN, PRYMESKA -> Bialystok and Nowogrodek
Gubernia

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Re: jri-pl digest: September 04, 2004 #poland

Israel P
 

I have seen a book of Holocaust survivors in Sweden, at Yad VaShem. It may be
the same as what you have.

Israel Pickholtz

Quoting JRI-Poland digest <jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org>:

I offer below an update on a project to type a huge list of Holocaust
survivors >from Poland--persons who were in Sweden after the War


JRI Poland #Poland Help needed - translation of birth and marriage record #poland

Itta'i Malbin <malbin@...>
 

I've got 2 records >from the Bialystok archive, and I need help
understanding the handwriting.

1. Marriage record of Mejlach BIALY and Gena (Henia) >from 1896:
http://bialystok.netfirms.com/documents/marriage.jpg

2. Birth record of Josel BIALY, son of Mejlach, >from 1899:
http://bialystok.netfirms.com/documents/birth.jpg

Thank you all,

Itta'i MALBIN

Searching: BIALY, EJDERMAN, KOPELMAN, PRYMESKA -> Bialystok and Nowogrodek
Gubernia

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland Re: jri-pl digest: September 04, 2004 #poland

Israel P
 

I have seen a book of Holocaust survivors in Sweden, at Yad VaShem. It may be
the same as what you have.

Israel Pickholtz

Quoting JRI-Poland digest <jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org>:

I offer below an update on a project to type a huge list of Holocaust
survivors >from Poland--persons who were in Sweden after the War


Suchawola #poland

szmanuel@...
 

Subject: Tikhovolya, in the former Grodno Gubernia
From: Batya Olsen <batyao@netsynthesis.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004

Dear Batya,
I believe the small town you are referring to is Suchowola. We've seen it
spelled different ways although not with a ' T.' My mother and her
family were born there.
A healthy and happy New Year!
Shirley Manuel
NJ

Researching:
SHVARTZ/ SCHWARTZ/ SZWARC Suchowola SOPEL Suchowola, England, and Tivon,
Israel; GALANTE/ GALANTI Suchowola and Grodno; FISHER Dabrowa;
KATZMAN Suchowola; KAPLAN Grodno; ROSENBLOOM/ BLUM/ BLITT Novy Dvor;
MANILEVICH Vasilkov and Kiev; VERBELOV Lithuania


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Suchawola #poland

szmanuel@...
 

Subject: Tikhovolya, in the former Grodno Gubernia
From: Batya Olsen <batyao@netsynthesis.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004

Dear Batya,
I believe the small town you are referring to is Suchowola. We've seen it
spelled different ways although not with a ' T.' My mother and her
family were born there.
A healthy and happy New Year!
Shirley Manuel
NJ

Researching:
SHVARTZ/ SCHWARTZ/ SZWARC Suchowola SOPEL Suchowola, England, and Tivon,
Israel; GALANTE/ GALANTI Suchowola and Grodno; FISHER Dabrowa;
KATZMAN Suchowola; KAPLAN Grodno; ROSENBLOOM/ BLUM/ BLITT Novy Dvor;
MANILEVICH Vasilkov and Kiev; VERBELOV Lithuania


"The Banczewski Family - My Mother Family from Sokolka, Poland." #poland

Ada Holtzman
 

IGS Tel-Aviv Branch jointly with the Polish SIG &#8211; Monday Sept. 6, 2004:
"The Banczewski Family - My Mother Family >from Sokolka, Poland." by Chana
Furman, will be the presentation at the September meeting of the Tel-Aviv
Branch of the Israel Genealogical Society. Chana Furman is the president of
IGS. She will discuss with us the research, verification and building of
hermother's family tree up till now. The meeting will take place on Monday
September 6th, 2004 at Beit Hatanach, 16 Rothschild Blvd. Tel-Aviv, at
19:00. The meeting will be in Hebrew. There is a 20 shekel entrance fee
for non-members. New members and visitors are invited to come early to ask
ourmembers for help and guidance and to use our library which is open
from18:00-19:00.

For further information you can contact:
Rose Feldman at: rosef@post.tau.ac.il or
The Israel Genealogy Society at: igs@isragen.org.il
www.isragen.org.il
P.O.Box 4270 Jerusalem 91041
Chana Furman at: ehfurman@netvision.net.il

shalom,

Ada Holtzman
www.zchor.org


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland "The Banczewski Family - My Mother Family from Sokolka, Poland." #poland

Ada Holtzman
 

IGS Tel-Aviv Branch jointly with the Polish SIG &#8211; Monday Sept. 6, 2004:
"The Banczewski Family - My Mother Family >from Sokolka, Poland." by Chana
Furman, will be the presentation at the September meeting of the Tel-Aviv
Branch of the Israel Genealogical Society. Chana Furman is the president of
IGS. She will discuss with us the research, verification and building of
hermother's family tree up till now. The meeting will take place on Monday
September 6th, 2004 at Beit Hatanach, 16 Rothschild Blvd. Tel-Aviv, at
19:00. The meeting will be in Hebrew. There is a 20 shekel entrance fee
for non-members. New members and visitors are invited to come early to ask
ourmembers for help and guidance and to use our library which is open
from18:00-19:00.

For further information you can contact:
Rose Feldman at: rosef@post.tau.ac.il or
The Israel Genealogy Society at: igs@isragen.org.il
www.isragen.org.il
P.O.Box 4270 Jerusalem 91041
Chana Furman at: ehfurman@netvision.net.il

shalom,

Ada Holtzman
www.zchor.org


Anyone going to Poland between now and Sept. 18th? #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

JRI-Poland has an urgent delivery to make to Poland.

If you live in the U.S. or Canada and are leaving between
September 8 and 18th, please let me know privately.

Your help will be appreciated.

Stanley Diamond
JRI-Poland
SMSDiamond@aol.com


JRI Poland #Poland Anyone going to Poland between now and Sept. 18th? #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

JRI-Poland has an urgent delivery to make to Poland.

If you live in the U.S. or Canada and are leaving between
September 8 and 18th, please let me know privately.

Your help will be appreciated.

Stanley Diamond
JRI-Poland
SMSDiamond@aol.com


Need help creating "book" for gift using Family Tree Maker, please #general

BABYCAT3 <babycat3@...>
 

Sorry if this is off topic. Has anyone ever used FTM to create a book? I
would like to present this as a gift in honor of a 90th birthday but cannot
seem to create a book representing only her branch of my tree. I have even
turned to the FTM book, but am not finding the info I need. My book, no matter
what I do, keeps coming up with the individuals of my entire tree instead of
just her branch.

I need to have this ready by the 11th and am about to panic!!

Thank you and please respond privately,
Barbara Meyers
NJ,USA
babycat3@aol.com
Researching KAFLOWITZ >from Bialystok, Kielce


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need help creating "book" for gift using Family Tree Maker, please #general

BABYCAT3 <babycat3@...>
 

Sorry if this is off topic. Has anyone ever used FTM to create a book? I
would like to present this as a gift in honor of a 90th birthday but cannot
seem to create a book representing only her branch of my tree. I have even
turned to the FTM book, but am not finding the info I need. My book, no matter
what I do, keeps coming up with the individuals of my entire tree instead of
just her branch.

I need to have this ready by the 11th and am about to panic!!

Thank you and please respond privately,
Barbara Meyers
NJ,USA
babycat3@aol.com
Researching KAFLOWITZ >from Bialystok, Kielce