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Re: R. Berachia SHAPIRO/A & Klimontow #rabbinic

Perets Mett <p.mett@...>
 

On 2004.12.06, Alex P. Korn <apkorn@sympatico.ca> wrote:

In an article on the town of Klimontow, which is situated in the
Kielce region, appearing in the series, Pinkas HaKehilot (Volume
VII, page 506), we read [...]
Do you know who R. Berachia ben R. Yitzhak Isaac SHAPIRO/SHAPIRA
was and what the name of the sefer is in which he describes these
events?
As my father's family came >from Klimontow, I have an interest in
this question.

The only work of Rabbi Brachya that I know of is Zera Beirach
Shlishi. It was published in Halle. I have not yet been able to
locate the place where he describes the history of Jews in Poland.

Perets Mett


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: R. Berachia SHAPIRO/A & Klimontow #rabbinic

Perets Mett <p.mett@...>
 

On 2004.12.06, Alex P. Korn <apkorn@sympatico.ca> wrote:

In an article on the town of Klimontow, which is situated in the
Kielce region, appearing in the series, Pinkas HaKehilot (Volume
VII, page 506), we read [...]
Do you know who R. Berachia ben R. Yitzhak Isaac SHAPIRO/SHAPIRA
was and what the name of the sefer is in which he describes these
events?
As my father's family came >from Klimontow, I have an interest in
this question.

The only work of Rabbi Brachya that I know of is Zera Beirach
Shlishi. It was published in Halle. I have not yet been able to
locate the place where he describes the history of Jews in Poland.

Perets Mett


Seeking descendants of BLACKMAN family shown in ViewMate photos #latvia

Martin Fischer
 

I am seeking to contact descendants of the BLACKMAN family shown in VM5150
and VM5151 ViewMate photos at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5150
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5151

One photo shows a young mother and father and three young sons photographed
in 1917 in Chicago. The other, showing the three brothers in June, 1919,
identifies them as Marcus, age 9; Philip, age 7; Harold, age 5. Their mother
may be named Tillie Blackman, possibly a daughter of Gershon HARRIS, but we
lack documentation and have been unable to find their descendants.


Please respond directly to martinfischer@hotmail.com

Thanks.

Martin Fischer
Oak Park, Illinois, USA



-----------
The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/


Latvia SIG #Latvia Seeking descendants of BLACKMAN family shown in ViewMate photos #latvia

Martin Fischer
 

I am seeking to contact descendants of the BLACKMAN family shown in VM5150
and VM5151 ViewMate photos at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5150
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5151

One photo shows a young mother and father and three young sons photographed
in 1917 in Chicago. The other, showing the three brothers in June, 1919,
identifies them as Marcus, age 9; Philip, age 7; Harold, age 5. Their mother
may be named Tillie Blackman, possibly a daughter of Gershon HARRIS, but we
lack documentation and have been unable to find their descendants.


Please respond directly to martinfischer@hotmail.com

Thanks.

Martin Fischer
Oak Park, Illinois, USA



-----------
The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/


Seeking descendants of BLACKMAN family shown in JewishGen ViewMate photos #belarus

Martin Fischer
 

I am seeking to contact descendants of the BLACKMAN family shown in VM5150
and VM5151 ViewMate photos at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5150
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5151

One photo shows a young mother and father and three young sons photographed
in 1917 in Chicago. The other, showing the three brothers in June, 1919,
identifies them as Marcus, age 9; Philip, age 7; Harold, age 5. Their mother
may be named Tillie Blackman, possibly a daughter of Gershon HARRIS, but we
lack documentation and have been unable to find their descendants.


Please respond directly to martinfischer@hotmail.com

Thanks.

Martin Fischer
Oak Park, Illinois, USA



-----------
The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/


Belarus SIG #Belarus Seeking descendants of BLACKMAN family shown in JewishGen ViewMate photos #belarus

Martin Fischer
 

I am seeking to contact descendants of the BLACKMAN family shown in VM5150
and VM5151 ViewMate photos at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5150
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5151

One photo shows a young mother and father and three young sons photographed
in 1917 in Chicago. The other, showing the three brothers in June, 1919,
identifies them as Marcus, age 9; Philip, age 7; Harold, age 5. Their mother
may be named Tillie Blackman, possibly a daughter of Gershon HARRIS, but we
lack documentation and have been unable to find their descendants.


Please respond directly to martinfischer@hotmail.com

Thanks.

Martin Fischer
Oak Park, Illinois, USA



-----------
The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/


ADLER families - All take the same route? Germany/SA/England #unitedkingdom

Nick Landau <n.landau@...>
 

My families cam >from Germany in about 1870. I have never heard of such a
route.

I am not saying such a route never took place, but I would suggest that it
was rare.

Nick Landau

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

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JCR-UK Digest for Sunday, December 05, 2004.

1. ADLER families - All take the same route? Germany/SA/England

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Subject: ADLER families - All take the same route? Germany/SA/England
From: "Caroline" <cfb@pobox.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:29:23 -0000
X-Message-Number: 1

Hi,
I'm researching William Henry ADLER, born in Germany around 1845, moved
to
South Africa as a young man, and later moved to England with his young
family.

However, I also know that William had a brother with him when he moved
from
Germany to SA and I'm trying to discover his brother's name, also where
abouts in Germany they came from. In my searches I have found a Henry
Adler
of a similar age, who took the same route - Germany/SA/England (although
he
actually returned to SA after 3 years). I've also found an Isidor
Adler,
again of a similar age, taking the same route and with children named
William and Henry amongst others. Each of these ADLERs lived in London.

(William gave one of his son's the middle name, Isidor)

I was wondering whether this sounded a familiar story to anyone. Was it
a
normal route for German Jews to take around 1860/70 - to go to South
Africa,
gain naturalisation there and then move to England (London)?

I know that both Henry and Isidor ADLER were >from Lubeck, Germany but
have
struggled to find William's naturalisation papers so far (just the
minutes
of the process). So I'm not sure where in Germany he was >from but wonder
if
these ADLER families were related - or if it was just a common trek to
take
at that time.

(They do also all seem to be living on private means - explorers and
merchants/financiers/business men).

On searching the SA archives, I realise that ADLER wasn't an uncommon in
their records.

With thanks,
Caroline Faunce-Brown
cfb@pobox.com
(England)


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom ADLER families - All take the same route? Germany/SA/England #unitedkingdom

Nick Landau <n.landau@...>
 

My families cam >from Germany in about 1870. I have never heard of such a
route.

I am not saying such a route never took place, but I would suggest that it
was rare.

Nick Landau

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

----- Original Message -----
From: "JCR-UK SIG digest" <jcr-uk@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: "jcr-uk digest recipients" <jcr-uk@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:00 AM
Subject: jcr-uk digest: December 05, 2004


JCR-UK Digest for Sunday, December 05, 2004.

1. ADLER families - All take the same route? Germany/SA/England

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: ADLER families - All take the same route? Germany/SA/England
From: "Caroline" <cfb@pobox.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:29:23 -0000
X-Message-Number: 1

Hi,
I'm researching William Henry ADLER, born in Germany around 1845, moved
to
South Africa as a young man, and later moved to England with his young
family.

However, I also know that William had a brother with him when he moved
from
Germany to SA and I'm trying to discover his brother's name, also where
abouts in Germany they came from. In my searches I have found a Henry
Adler
of a similar age, who took the same route - Germany/SA/England (although
he
actually returned to SA after 3 years). I've also found an Isidor
Adler,
again of a similar age, taking the same route and with children named
William and Henry amongst others. Each of these ADLERs lived in London.

(William gave one of his son's the middle name, Isidor)

I was wondering whether this sounded a familiar story to anyone. Was it
a
normal route for German Jews to take around 1860/70 - to go to South
Africa,
gain naturalisation there and then move to England (London)?

I know that both Henry and Isidor ADLER were >from Lubeck, Germany but
have
struggled to find William's naturalisation papers so far (just the
minutes
of the process). So I'm not sure where in Germany he was >from but wonder
if
these ADLER families were related - or if it was just a common trek to
take
at that time.

(They do also all seem to be living on private means - explorers and
merchants/financiers/business men).

On searching the SA archives, I realise that ADLER wasn't an uncommon in
their records.

With thanks,
Caroline Faunce-Brown
cfb@pobox.com
(England)


Tannicht+Steinigwolmsdorf and surname changes #belarus

Irene Salazar
 

I am new to all this. My grandfather was Harry STONE (b. 1887)
His parents: Barney; Alle (nee SCHWARTZ)

*Seeking where born*
1917 US draft card says born in Tanict? or ? (hard to read).
There was a shtetl Tannicht (sp?) in Germany, not Belarus.
Supposedly "raised" in Germany; but lived in Grodno gubernia.

*Need help with name change*
Supposedly name before was SAGENDORF (sp?). Has been a dead end.
Cannot figure why it wasn't STEIN if he changed to Stone.
Tannicht was next to Steinigwolmsdorf.
Could that explain SAGENDORF and be my "STONE"?

Any advice at all appreciated. I know nothing!
I cannot seem to do anything without knowing his shtetl in (then) Russia.

Irene in MD
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Tannicht+Steinigwolmsdorf and surname changes #belarus

Irene Salazar
 

I am new to all this. My grandfather was Harry STONE (b. 1887)
His parents: Barney; Alle (nee SCHWARTZ)

*Seeking where born*
1917 US draft card says born in Tanict? or ? (hard to read).
There was a shtetl Tannicht (sp?) in Germany, not Belarus.
Supposedly "raised" in Germany; but lived in Grodno gubernia.

*Need help with name change*
Supposedly name before was SAGENDORF (sp?). Has been a dead end.
Cannot figure why it wasn't STEIN if he changed to Stone.
Tannicht was next to Steinigwolmsdorf.
Could that explain SAGENDORF and be my "STONE"?

Any advice at all appreciated. I know nothing!
I cannot seem to do anything without knowing his shtetl in (then) Russia.

Irene in MD
MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign all messages with your full name and please capitalize
all surnames.


Holiday Greetings to All SIG Members #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

To all our Belarus SIG members all over the world:

I would like to take this opportunity to wish you, your families, and
friends a very Happy Hanukah and a happy, healthy, and productive New Year.
I would also like to send season's greetings to those of you who celebrate
Christmas.

The holiday season is a time when families get together and communicate with
those who are not close by. Please take this opportunity to share your
genealogy research, family photos, and other documents. Take time to print
out your family trees and bring them to your Hanukah and New Year parties.
You might gain updates to your data and hopefully interest others in your
family to get involved in genealogy research. It is especially important to
find someone in a younger generation to carry on your efforts.

This is also the time to thank people and organizations who have helped you.
Please consider a donation to the Belarus SIG and JewishGen:

http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html

For those of you in the United States, the tax year is about to end and a
tax deductible donation may help you when you file your taxes. For our
members in Canada, donations to JewishGen and the Belarus SIG are now
deductible.

Happy Holidays to all.

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


Belarus SIG #Belarus Holiday Greetings to All SIG Members #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

To all our Belarus SIG members all over the world:

I would like to take this opportunity to wish you, your families, and
friends a very Happy Hanukah and a happy, healthy, and productive New Year.
I would also like to send season's greetings to those of you who celebrate
Christmas.

The holiday season is a time when families get together and communicate with
those who are not close by. Please take this opportunity to share your
genealogy research, family photos, and other documents. Take time to print
out your family trees and bring them to your Hanukah and New Year parties.
You might gain updates to your data and hopefully interest others in your
family to get involved in genealogy research. It is especially important to
find someone in a younger generation to carry on your efforts.

This is also the time to thank people and organizations who have helped you.
Please consider a donation to the Belarus SIG and JewishGen:

http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html

For those of you in the United States, the tax year is about to end and a
tax deductible donation may help you when you file your taxes. For our
members in Canada, donations to JewishGen and the Belarus SIG are now
deductible.

Happy Holidays to all.

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


thank you: Fichman St., Tel-Aviv assistance #general

Howard Zakai
 

Thank you to all who responded to my inquiry regarding "Fichman Street" in
Tel-Aviv. Now I have to figure out whether the person who sumbitted the
page of testimony meant Fishman St. or Frishman St. The # she listed in
1992 matches with one current address.

Regards,

Howie

Howard Zakai
Staten Island, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen thank you: Fichman St., Tel-Aviv assistance #general

Howard Zakai
 

Thank you to all who responded to my inquiry regarding "Fichman Street" in
Tel-Aviv. Now I have to figure out whether the person who sumbitted the
page of testimony meant Fishman St. or Frishman St. The # she listed in
1992 matches with one current address.

Regards,

Howie

Howard Zakai
Staten Island, NY


Re: Thank you re "Feifen Macher" #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 12/5/2004 6:24:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ldashman@bestweb.net writes:
Dear Genners, on an earlier posting, I requested help understanding the
occupation "Feifen Macher", which was given as the groom's occupation on a
Brooklyn, NY marriage license. The consensus was that it meant "pipe
maker", but a number of responders suggested "whistle maker".

This man's granddaughter has told me he was in the wholesale fruit business
-- and also, that he had a wry sense of humor. While "pipe maker" sounds
logical as a way to support your family, I am beginning to believe that
"whistle maker" was his way of taking a jab at the bureaucratic license
procedure.

==Perhaps he was thinking of a Yiddish expression, "Gey feiffen," equivalent
to "bug off," and similar more "adult" English expressions, that have no place
in a family-oriented listserv.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Thank you re "Feifen Macher" #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 12/5/2004 6:24:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ldashman@bestweb.net writes:
Dear Genners, on an earlier posting, I requested help understanding the
occupation "Feifen Macher", which was given as the groom's occupation on a
Brooklyn, NY marriage license. The consensus was that it meant "pipe
maker", but a number of responders suggested "whistle maker".

This man's granddaughter has told me he was in the wholesale fruit business
-- and also, that he had a wry sense of humor. While "pipe maker" sounds
logical as a way to support your family, I am beginning to believe that
"whistle maker" was his way of taking a jab at the bureaucratic license
procedure.

==Perhaps he was thinking of a Yiddish expression, "Gey feiffen," equivalent
to "bug off," and similar more "adult" English expressions, that have no place
in a family-oriented listserv.

Michael Bernet, New York


Success w. Yad Vashem Records #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

After many hours of searching the Yad Vashem records, I found possible
STEIF/NEUMAN relatives >from Szobrancz. Using other internet resources,
I searched the name of an Auschwitz survivor who submitted Pages of
Testimony for her family more than 20 years ago and found her son in
Los Angeles. The survivor may be my father's first cousin. I made
contact w. her son, who may be my second cousin. It takes hours but
my experience shows what this marvelous resource can help us to accomplish.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Success w. Yad Vashem Records #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

After many hours of searching the Yad Vashem records, I found possible
STEIF/NEUMAN relatives >from Szobrancz. Using other internet resources,
I searched the name of an Auschwitz survivor who submitted Pages of
Testimony for her family more than 20 years ago and found her son in
Los Angeles. The survivor may be my father's first cousin. I made
contact w. her son, who may be my second cousin. It takes hours but
my experience shows what this marvelous resource can help us to accomplish.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Well, we all probably have some KOHNs on our tree. Here are mine. My KOHNS
were in Ckyne, Bohemia, but according to the 1793 census, my 5g-grandmother
Anna KOHN was living in Prague at that time and her sons Israel and Salomon
might have moved there too.

Randol Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA

(1) 1 KOHN
| (2) 1.1 KOHN ( - bef 1793)
| d. bef 1793
| & Anna
| | (3) 1.1.1 Israel KOHN
| | (3) 1.1.2 Salomon KOHN
| | (3) 1.1.3 Sara KOHN (1778 - 1847)
| | b. 1778
| | d. 1847, Ckyne, Bohemia
| | & Mattes (Mendel) BLOCH (1778 - 1850)
| | b. 1778
| | d. 1850, Ckyne, Bohemia
| | m. 24 Mar 1802, Ckyne, Czechoslovakia
| (2) 1.2 Nathan KOHN
| & Maria
| | (3) 1.2.1 Ester KOHN
| | (3) 1.2.2 Juliana KOHN
| | (3) 1.2.3 Rosalia KOHN
| | (3) 1.2.4 Isac KOHN
| | (3) 1.2.5 Sara KOHN


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech KOHN #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Well, we all probably have some KOHNs on our tree. Here are mine. My KOHNS
were in Ckyne, Bohemia, but according to the 1793 census, my 5g-grandmother
Anna KOHN was living in Prague at that time and her sons Israel and Salomon
might have moved there too.

Randol Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA

(1) 1 KOHN
| (2) 1.1 KOHN ( - bef 1793)
| d. bef 1793
| & Anna
| | (3) 1.1.1 Israel KOHN
| | (3) 1.1.2 Salomon KOHN
| | (3) 1.1.3 Sara KOHN (1778 - 1847)
| | b. 1778
| | d. 1847, Ckyne, Bohemia
| | & Mattes (Mendel) BLOCH (1778 - 1850)
| | b. 1778
| | d. 1850, Ckyne, Bohemia
| | m. 24 Mar 1802, Ckyne, Czechoslovakia
| (2) 1.2 Nathan KOHN
| & Maria
| | (3) 1.2.1 Ester KOHN
| | (3) 1.2.2 Juliana KOHN
| | (3) 1.2.3 Rosalia KOHN
| | (3) 1.2.4 Isac KOHN
| | (3) 1.2.5 Sara KOHN