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Re: Yiddish pronunciation of given name Arye--a "modern American name" #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/31/2003 7:19:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bsmannlein@comcast.net writes:

<< My source says his gggf ,who lived in Toporow, was named "Ira" which
he wrote down as on different occasions Ira, Ihre, and Arye. Nieither
his gggf or his ggf left Toprow.

==According to Beider, Ira and Ihre derivations >from Uri

I am trying to figure out what his name in probably Europe was. I doubt it
was Ira -- that seems too un-Jewish for the time and place--Toporow was a
small shtetl, the family was not educated. >>

==Ira's been around a few hundred years, too. It was never unJewish, and
has nothing to do with education or size of shtettel.

==Jewishgen now has a tremendous database of archives. I suggest that
other with similar questions or who do not have a comprehensive
understanding for Jewish names, consult the database or purchase one of
the many excellent books on Jewish names.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Yiddish pronunciation of given name Arye--a "modern American name" #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/31/2003 7:19:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bsmannlein@comcast.net writes:

<< My source says his gggf ,who lived in Toporow, was named "Ira" which
he wrote down as on different occasions Ira, Ihre, and Arye. Nieither
his gggf or his ggf left Toprow.

==According to Beider, Ira and Ihre derivations >from Uri

I am trying to figure out what his name in probably Europe was. I doubt it
was Ira -- that seems too un-Jewish for the time and place--Toporow was a
small shtetl, the family was not educated. >>

==Ira's been around a few hundred years, too. It was never unJewish, and
has nothing to do with education or size of shtettel.

==Jewishgen now has a tremendous database of archives. I suggest that
other with similar questions or who do not have a comprehensive
understanding for Jewish names, consult the database or purchase one of
the many excellent books on Jewish names.

Michael Bernet, New York


Ellis Island Manifests #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

My greatgrandmother and grandmother arrived at Ellis Island in 1901 or
1902. I have been unable to find them in the Ellis Island database. Is
it possible that some manifests just didn't survive? It is unlikely that
they went to some other port because my greatgrandfather was already
living on the Lower East Side of New York City. I have checked St.Albans,
Boston and Philadelphia too.

Jackie Wasserstein
East Meadow, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ellis Island Manifests #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

My greatgrandmother and grandmother arrived at Ellis Island in 1901 or
1902. I have been unable to find them in the Ellis Island database. Is
it possible that some manifests just didn't survive? It is unlikely that
they went to some other port because my greatgrandfather was already
living on the Lower East Side of New York City. I have checked St.Albans,
Boston and Philadelphia too.

Jackie Wasserstein
East Meadow, New York


Re: Bizarre Zip Code in SSDI #general

Stan Goodman <safeqSPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:37:54 UTC, cluttercontrol@earthlink.net (Jane
Reifer) opined:

I seem to remember that the 33003 zip code may have been used as a
"placeholder" to indicate a foreign address that Social Security
benefits were sent to. Given my poor memory, I may have this wrong, but
that's the impression I've "retained".

Good luck,

Jane Ehrlich Reifer
Fullerton, California, USA
For all I know, you are right. Nevertheless, if you look the number up
in the table of postal codes, the query is rejected because it is
invalid. "Invalid" is not the same as "reserved" for the use you
mention. If your memory is correct, then the table on the website is
misleading or worse.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

Please remove the capital letters >from my address in order to send me
email, and include "JewishGen" in the subject line, else your message
will be deleted automatically, unread.

MODERATOR NOTE: The discussion in this thread has moved away >from the
subject of Jewish genealogy. Please continue any further dialogue
privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bizarre Zip Code in SSDI #general

Stan Goodman <safeqSPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:37:54 UTC, cluttercontrol@earthlink.net (Jane
Reifer) opined:

I seem to remember that the 33003 zip code may have been used as a
"placeholder" to indicate a foreign address that Social Security
benefits were sent to. Given my poor memory, I may have this wrong, but
that's the impression I've "retained".

Good luck,

Jane Ehrlich Reifer
Fullerton, California, USA
For all I know, you are right. Nevertheless, if you look the number up
in the table of postal codes, the query is rejected because it is
invalid. "Invalid" is not the same as "reserved" for the use you
mention. If your memory is correct, then the table on the website is
misleading or worse.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

Please remove the capital letters >from my address in order to send me
email, and include "JewishGen" in the subject line, else your message
will be deleted automatically, unread.

MODERATOR NOTE: The discussion in this thread has moved away >from the
subject of Jewish genealogy. Please continue any further dialogue
privately.


In search of Greenberg family #general

Greenpass@...
 

I am looking for the family of Louis Greenberg. According to the l930
census he lived at 2525 Mermaid Ave., Brooklyn, NY. He was 52 years of
age, owned a grocery, immigrated in 1890. His wife's name was Fanny
Greenberg. Three of their children living at home are listed in the
census as: Sol Greenberg, age 31, occupation Real Estate; Molly Greenberg,
age 19, occupation secretary/Sussex (she probably worked at the Sussex
hospital or county); Bernard Greenberg, age 17, occupation millinery.

There may have been 2 or 3 more children who were not living at home.

Louis and Fanny Greenberg originally came >from Pultusk or Warsaw Poland.

Louis had a brother Chiam or Hyman Greenberg and a sister Eva Greenberg
Alpert. I have these family records.

Lillian Henkin Greenberg

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen In search of Greenberg family #general

Greenpass@...
 

I am looking for the family of Louis Greenberg. According to the l930
census he lived at 2525 Mermaid Ave., Brooklyn, NY. He was 52 years of
age, owned a grocery, immigrated in 1890. His wife's name was Fanny
Greenberg. Three of their children living at home are listed in the
census as: Sol Greenberg, age 31, occupation Real Estate; Molly Greenberg,
age 19, occupation secretary/Sussex (she probably worked at the Sussex
hospital or county); Bernard Greenberg, age 17, occupation millinery.

There may have been 2 or 3 more children who were not living at home.

Louis and Fanny Greenberg originally came >from Pultusk or Warsaw Poland.

Louis had a brother Chiam or Hyman Greenberg and a sister Eva Greenberg
Alpert. I have these family records.

Lillian Henkin Greenberg

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


New Bialystok Area Discussion Forum Now Online #general

Bialystoker
 

It is my great pleasure to announce a new JewishGen discussion forum
(mailing list) specifically for the discussion of Jewish genealogical and
historical issues in the Bialystok area.

If you are interested in Bialystok or any of the towns and villages
currently in Poland that were part of Grodno Gubernia during the period
from about 1815 up to World War I, this is the forum for you. A JewishGen
Infofile explaining the creation of this discussion forum and the
Bialystok Area Research Group (BARG) can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/BialystokARG.htm.

To register for the discussion forum, go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm and click on "Subscribe to a
Mailing List." Then follow the instructions and select "Bialystok Area"
under "Community Research Group" in step 2.

At the recent International Conference in Washington, DC, forty Bialystok
and area researchers met and decided to form the Bialystok Area Research
Group with the following charter:

* Sharing research and experiences
* Commemorating our Ancestors and their lives
* Cooperating on projects of value to all researchers

Membership in BARG is open to all with interests in the geography
described above. The discussion forum will be the means by which BARG
members communicate amongst themselves, but you don't have to be a BARG
member to participate in this forum. If you are interested in joining the
40 charter members of BARG, please write to me at Bialystoker@comcast.net.

I would like to thank JewishGen and especially Carol Skydell and Warren
Blatt for all their help and support.

Welcome aboard.

Mark Halpern
Bialystoker living in Devon, PA, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New Bialystok Area Discussion Forum Now Online #general

Bialystoker
 

It is my great pleasure to announce a new JewishGen discussion forum
(mailing list) specifically for the discussion of Jewish genealogical and
historical issues in the Bialystok area.

If you are interested in Bialystok or any of the towns and villages
currently in Poland that were part of Grodno Gubernia during the period
from about 1815 up to World War I, this is the forum for you. A JewishGen
Infofile explaining the creation of this discussion forum and the
Bialystok Area Research Group (BARG) can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/BialystokARG.htm.

To register for the discussion forum, go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm and click on "Subscribe to a
Mailing List." Then follow the instructions and select "Bialystok Area"
under "Community Research Group" in step 2.

At the recent International Conference in Washington, DC, forty Bialystok
and area researchers met and decided to form the Bialystok Area Research
Group with the following charter:

* Sharing research and experiences
* Commemorating our Ancestors and their lives
* Cooperating on projects of value to all researchers

Membership in BARG is open to all with interests in the geography
described above. The discussion forum will be the means by which BARG
members communicate amongst themselves, but you don't have to be a BARG
member to participate in this forum. If you are interested in joining the
40 charter members of BARG, please write to me at Bialystoker@comcast.net.

I would like to thank JewishGen and especially Carol Skydell and Warren
Blatt for all their help and support.

Welcome aboard.

Mark Halpern
Bialystoker living in Devon, PA, USA


Re: Bamberg and Upper Franconia family trees (incl. BRUELL & BRILIN family) #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/31/2003 5:42:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
evaruben@oro.net writes:

<< > MBernet@aol.com wrote:
>
>Among the trees are those of various well-known rabbinic families, among
>them of the Brilln/Bruell families. .
>
>
> When I saw the names Bruell & Brilin I knew I had them in my family
> tree. When I checked I found the following: >>

==The above is not quite correct. I had written the first statement. I
did not write the second; it is not in any way true for me.

Is this the Rabbinic Family that Michael Bernet is referring to? Sure
would like to learn more about them.

==Yes, it is. As I posted yesterday, the CD-Rom can be viewed at the
Central Archives in Jerusalem

Michael Bernet New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bamberg and Upper Franconia family trees (incl. BRUELL & BRILIN family) #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/31/2003 5:42:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
evaruben@oro.net writes:

<< > MBernet@aol.com wrote:
>
>Among the trees are those of various well-known rabbinic families, among
>them of the Brilln/Bruell families. .
>
>
> When I saw the names Bruell & Brilin I knew I had them in my family
> tree. When I checked I found the following: >>

==The above is not quite correct. I had written the first statement. I
did not write the second; it is not in any way true for me.

Is this the Rabbinic Family that Michael Bernet is referring to? Sure
would like to learn more about them.

==Yes, it is. As I posted yesterday, the CD-Rom can be viewed at the
Central Archives in Jerusalem

Michael Bernet New York


Bizarre Zip Code #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

I've been following the email re the zip codes and the only thing I know
about 330 is that it is a Florida zipcode partly in the Miami area along
with 331 and that 330 is in the Florida Keys.

If the address is not in Florida, I'm guessing that the reason the zip
code is "bizarre" may be just a typo.

However, here is the 800 number to call: (800) ASK-USPS or (800) 275-8777,
TTY: (877)877-7833.

Joan Parker
President JGS-GM, Inc.
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS and WINOGRAD-Brest, Litovsk maybe Odessa, Ukraine, Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bizarre Zip Code #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

I've been following the email re the zip codes and the only thing I know
about 330 is that it is a Florida zipcode partly in the Miami area along
with 331 and that 330 is in the Florida Keys.

If the address is not in Florida, I'm guessing that the reason the zip
code is "bizarre" may be just a typo.

However, here is the 800 number to call: (800) ASK-USPS or (800) 275-8777,
TTY: (877)877-7833.

Joan Parker
President JGS-GM, Inc.
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS and WINOGRAD-Brest, Litovsk maybe Odessa, Ukraine, Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.


Re: Bamberg and Upper Franconia family trees (incl. BRUELL & BRILIN #general

Eva J. Ruben <evaruben@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

Among the trees are those of various well-known rabbinic families, among
them of the Brilln/Bruell families. .
When I saw the names Bruell & Brilin I knew I had them in my family
tree. When I checked I found the following:
Rabbi Isak Sussman Brilin m. Sara (Sarlem) Oppenheimer = ancestors of my
grandmother Lillian Schweizer (provided that my data is correct)..

Are Wolf Brilin & Simon Wolf Brilin the same person? I have date of
death for Simon as "1737" per the Notes of Michael Berolzheimer, Leo
Beack Institute, New York.
On the Descendent Chart, there is an Esther Oppenheimer listed as the
wife of Josef Bruell ?-aft 1765 and an Esther Oppenheimer listed as the
wife of Seligmann Bruell ("Bamberger") 1729-1817). Are these two
different women or one?

Is this the Rabbinic Family that Michael Bernet is referring to? Sure
would like to learn more about them.

Eva Joy Lamm-Ruben, Nevada City, CA

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bamberg and Upper Franconia family trees (incl. BRUELL & BRILIN #general

Eva J. Ruben <evaruben@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

Among the trees are those of various well-known rabbinic families, among
them of the Brilln/Bruell families. .
When I saw the names Bruell & Brilin I knew I had them in my family
tree. When I checked I found the following:
Rabbi Isak Sussman Brilin m. Sara (Sarlem) Oppenheimer = ancestors of my
grandmother Lillian Schweizer (provided that my data is correct)..

Are Wolf Brilin & Simon Wolf Brilin the same person? I have date of
death for Simon as "1737" per the Notes of Michael Berolzheimer, Leo
Beack Institute, New York.
On the Descendent Chart, there is an Esther Oppenheimer listed as the
wife of Josef Bruell ?-aft 1765 and an Esther Oppenheimer listed as the
wife of Seligmann Bruell ("Bamberger") 1729-1817). Are these two
different women or one?

Is this the Rabbinic Family that Michael Bernet is referring to? Sure
would like to learn more about them.

Eva Joy Lamm-Ruben, Nevada City, CA

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


Re: Iraqi Jews in the NY Times & Harold Rhode's talk #general

Jeff Malka <malkajef@...>
 

I missed the talk. Did Harold say where the salvaged records would now be
kept? In the US?

Thanks.

Jeff Malka,
malkajef@orthohelp.com

Subject: Iraqi Jews in the NY Times & Harold Rhode's talk
From: Judith27@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:09:32 EDT
X-Message-Number: 24

Dear JewishGendom,
Like many of you who were able to attend the recent
superlative IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in
Washington, I attended Harold Rhode's highly informative Wednesday night
talk on "Rescue of Jewish Records and Holy Books >from Bagdad."
Little did I realize how soon this background information
would come into play. Just five days later, as I read an article in the
New York Times Monday morning, 7/28/09, entitled "52 Year Separation Ends
as Iraqi Jews Arrive in Israel" I realized that one brief two sentence
section of it was actually alluding to what Harold had discoursed on in his
lucid and very complete hour long power point presentation on the Jewish
communal records that were found in the flooded basement of an Iraqi
intelligence building after a round of wartime bombardment.
I could picture the bomb, the building, as well as the Pinkasim
and the fully rolled out Torah that Harold had shown us.
Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Iraqi Jews in the NY Times & Harold Rhode's talk #general

Jeff Malka <malkajef@...>
 

I missed the talk. Did Harold say where the salvaged records would now be
kept? In the US?

Thanks.

Jeff Malka,
malkajef@orthohelp.com

Subject: Iraqi Jews in the NY Times & Harold Rhode's talk
From: Judith27@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:09:32 EDT
X-Message-Number: 24

Dear JewishGendom,
Like many of you who were able to attend the recent
superlative IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in
Washington, I attended Harold Rhode's highly informative Wednesday night
talk on "Rescue of Jewish Records and Holy Books >from Bagdad."
Little did I realize how soon this background information
would come into play. Just five days later, as I read an article in the
New York Times Monday morning, 7/28/09, entitled "52 Year Separation Ends
as Iraqi Jews Arrive in Israel" I realized that one brief two sentence
section of it was actually alluding to what Harold had discoursed on in his
lucid and very complete hour long power point presentation on the Jewish
communal records that were found in the flooded basement of an Iraqi
intelligence building after a round of wartime bombardment.
I could picture the bomb, the building, as well as the Pinkasim
and the fully rolled out Torah that Harold had shown us.
Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY


Viewmate 2667, 2669, 2670 & ECKSTEIN from Kalusz #galicia

Deborah Schultz
 

Hello! This is the first time I have posted to this group, and I am very
excited about it!

I have posted some items on Viewmate. These are text >from the backs of
photographs and photo postcards, in WWI-era German. If you are able to
help me by translating them into English, please reply to me directly at:
schultzd@umich.edu .

The items are: Viewmate 2667, 2669, and 2670, at URL
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html .

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2667
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2669
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2670

These photographs/postcards were given to my grandmother by her uncle's
widow. My grandmother's uncle was Szaja (Sam in the U.S.; born about 1902)
ECKSTEIN, >from Kalusz, Galicia, Austria (now Kalush, Ukraine). His parents
were Kune (Elkonoh) EKSTEIN and Brukha MALLINGER (born about 1860), who
owned a "department store." They were fairly well off. Szaja/Sam had 4
older siblings: Jacob (born in 1885), Sale (Sarah in the U.S.), and Dora,
as well as another older brother whose name we do not know.

As WWI approached, Jacob was given some money and sent "to town" to buy
some things for the store. Instead, he and a cousin and maybe someone else
ran off to America, where Jacob lived in Newark, New Jersey. Kune went to
America to convince Jacob to return home, and somehow was stranded here by
the war. Kune spent the war in Pittsburh, Pennsylvania, with his wife's
MALLINGER relatives (who owned a store).

The 2 others sons at home, Szaja/Sam and the unknown name, were both
conscripted into the Austrian army. The unknown name brother was supposed
to have become an officer in the Austrian military. This left the mother
and her daughters to fend for themselves, and they almost starved to
death.

After the war, Jacob and Kune remained in the U.S., and Szaja/Sam joined
Kune in Pittsburgh in January 1921 (sailing >from Danzig), and the mother
and girls, later in 1921 (sailing separately, >from England). The miliary
officer brother remained behind, which is why we do not know his name or
anything else about him. I imagine he was proud to be a military officer,
and perhaps he also had a wife and children.

The photographs with the text on the back which is posted on Viewmate, are
of Szaja, and seem to be >from when he was a young man, perhaps just after
WWI. If you recognize any of this information (names, story details),
please also contact me directly. It would be nice to find out the name of
the brother whose name is still unknown, some day.

Thank you!

-Deborah

---------------
Deborah Schultz
Ann Arbor, Michigan
Reply to:
<schultzd@umich.edu>

Researching:
Kalusz, Galicia (now Kalush, Ukraine): EKSTEIN, MALLINGER
Dolina, Galicia (now Dolina, Ukraine): FRIEDMAN, SPIEGEL


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Viewmate 2667, 2669, 2670 & ECKSTEIN from Kalusz #galicia

Deborah Schultz
 

Hello! This is the first time I have posted to this group, and I am very
excited about it!

I have posted some items on Viewmate. These are text >from the backs of
photographs and photo postcards, in WWI-era German. If you are able to
help me by translating them into English, please reply to me directly at:
schultzd@umich.edu .

The items are: Viewmate 2667, 2669, and 2670, at URL
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html .

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2667
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2669
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2670

These photographs/postcards were given to my grandmother by her uncle's
widow. My grandmother's uncle was Szaja (Sam in the U.S.; born about 1902)
ECKSTEIN, >from Kalusz, Galicia, Austria (now Kalush, Ukraine). His parents
were Kune (Elkonoh) EKSTEIN and Brukha MALLINGER (born about 1860), who
owned a "department store." They were fairly well off. Szaja/Sam had 4
older siblings: Jacob (born in 1885), Sale (Sarah in the U.S.), and Dora,
as well as another older brother whose name we do not know.

As WWI approached, Jacob was given some money and sent "to town" to buy
some things for the store. Instead, he and a cousin and maybe someone else
ran off to America, where Jacob lived in Newark, New Jersey. Kune went to
America to convince Jacob to return home, and somehow was stranded here by
the war. Kune spent the war in Pittsburh, Pennsylvania, with his wife's
MALLINGER relatives (who owned a store).

The 2 others sons at home, Szaja/Sam and the unknown name, were both
conscripted into the Austrian army. The unknown name brother was supposed
to have become an officer in the Austrian military. This left the mother
and her daughters to fend for themselves, and they almost starved to
death.

After the war, Jacob and Kune remained in the U.S., and Szaja/Sam joined
Kune in Pittsburgh in January 1921 (sailing >from Danzig), and the mother
and girls, later in 1921 (sailing separately, >from England). The miliary
officer brother remained behind, which is why we do not know his name or
anything else about him. I imagine he was proud to be a military officer,
and perhaps he also had a wife and children.

The photographs with the text on the back which is posted on Viewmate, are
of Szaja, and seem to be >from when he was a young man, perhaps just after
WWI. If you recognize any of this information (names, story details),
please also contact me directly. It would be nice to find out the name of
the brother whose name is still unknown, some day.

Thank you!

-Deborah

---------------
Deborah Schultz
Ann Arbor, Michigan
Reply to:
<schultzd@umich.edu>

Researching:
Kalusz, Galicia (now Kalush, Ukraine): EKSTEIN, MALLINGER
Dolina, Galicia (now Dolina, Ukraine): FRIEDMAN, SPIEGEL