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Re: My Father's story #hungary

Zvika Oren
 

This is my father?s story,

Kohn Tamas was born on the 8 July 1925 in Budapest (birth certificate) to Kohn Herman and Freisinger Margit.
At the age of 3 Herman left them and Margit did not marry anyone until Tamas was grown up, Tamas became a locksmith or still worker (Monka konyve),
On the 30 May 1944, he was ordered to enlist the Hungarian forced labor company. The unit number was 101/320. This company was in charge of fixing rail-roads across all Hungary.
After few weeks Tamas was selected to work for the company kitchen with 3 more Jews. These cooks were changing and Tamas asked the soldier in charge to add his friend to the 4 cooks.
He was singing ?la cucaracha? and another song but spoke very little about himself.
After few months the company was disassembled and Tamas and his friend went off.
They went to the military point in the rail station of Papa and asked for certificates.
They said their names were Kis Gyorgy and Karoly Gyorgy. With these names they got also an ?open command? to enlist as Hungarian soldiers in Sombathely.
There after few tries to join safely to the army ? which failed because one of them was speaking Yiddish in his sleep ? they tried another way:
Tamas volunteered to the Hunyadi and became an SS soldier. He became a cook for the known Zoldi. They went off to Germany. His friend went to the partisans and eventually became a runner for the German army.
When the Russians captured the place where Tamas was they took him to Russia and apparently Tamas spent the next 3 years in Kuibyshev (Today?s Samara).
He returned to Budapest some time before 9/48 and changed his name to Sebok ? as did his father. This I learnt >from relevant document of name change, the Monka konyve and Uj-Elet message.
Tamas wanted to go to Israel. He went to ?Beit Bialik? in Salzburg ? certificate I got >from Bad Arolsen. And on the 7 July 1949 he came to Israel. His father was already in Israel.
My father did not tell me all this. Most of this story was told by my father?s friend (mentioned here) who is still alive and the documents my father kept. In search of the facts I am missing mostly the Hunyadi and the Russian periods. Would appreciate your experience and advice to overcome these gaps.
If you knew Zoldi?s cook or know someone who knew him - I would appreciate your private reply,
Zvika Oren
Israel =


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: My Father's story #hungary

Zvika Oren
 

This is my father?s story,

Kohn Tamas was born on the 8 July 1925 in Budapest (birth certificate) to Kohn Herman and Freisinger Margit.
At the age of 3 Herman left them and Margit did not marry anyone until Tamas was grown up, Tamas became a locksmith or still worker (Monka konyve),
On the 30 May 1944, he was ordered to enlist the Hungarian forced labor company. The unit number was 101/320. This company was in charge of fixing rail-roads across all Hungary.
After few weeks Tamas was selected to work for the company kitchen with 3 more Jews. These cooks were changing and Tamas asked the soldier in charge to add his friend to the 4 cooks.
He was singing ?la cucaracha? and another song but spoke very little about himself.
After few months the company was disassembled and Tamas and his friend went off.
They went to the military point in the rail station of Papa and asked for certificates.
They said their names were Kis Gyorgy and Karoly Gyorgy. With these names they got also an ?open command? to enlist as Hungarian soldiers in Sombathely.
There after few tries to join safely to the army ? which failed because one of them was speaking Yiddish in his sleep ? they tried another way:
Tamas volunteered to the Hunyadi and became an SS soldier. He became a cook for the known Zoldi. They went off to Germany. His friend went to the partisans and eventually became a runner for the German army.
When the Russians captured the place where Tamas was they took him to Russia and apparently Tamas spent the next 3 years in Kuibyshev (Today?s Samara).
He returned to Budapest some time before 9/48 and changed his name to Sebok ? as did his father. This I learnt >from relevant document of name change, the Monka konyve and Uj-Elet message.
Tamas wanted to go to Israel. He went to ?Beit Bialik? in Salzburg ? certificate I got >from Bad Arolsen. And on the 7 July 1949 he came to Israel. His father was already in Israel.
My father did not tell me all this. Most of this story was told by my father?s friend (mentioned here) who is still alive and the documents my father kept. In search of the facts I am missing mostly the Hunyadi and the Russian periods. Would appreciate your experience and advice to overcome these gaps.
If you knew Zoldi?s cook or know someone who knew him - I would appreciate your private reply,
Zvika Oren
Israel =


Hungarian Jewish Census of 1944 #hungary

jbisenberg@...
 

Has anyone ever looked at this book on the Hungarian Jewish Census of 1944 >from the LDS? "Magyarországi Zsidó hitközségek 1944. április: a Magyar Zsidók Központi Tanácsának összeírása a német hatóságok rendelkezése nyomán"
Does it include peoples names and addresses or just data about the population?

Thanks,
Janet Isenberg
Glen Rock, NJ

Moderator: In addition to any info that H-SIGrs can provide, check the archives for
previous discussions about this Census.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Jewish Census of 1944 #hungary

jbisenberg@...
 

Has anyone ever looked at this book on the Hungarian Jewish Census of 1944 >from the LDS? "Magyarországi Zsidó hitközségek 1944. április: a Magyar Zsidók Központi Tanácsának összeírása a német hatóságok rendelkezése nyomán"
Does it include peoples names and addresses or just data about the population?

Thanks,
Janet Isenberg
Glen Rock, NJ

Moderator: In addition to any info that H-SIGrs can provide, check the archives for
previous discussions about this Census.


The 1887 Belarus and Lithuanian Census and Family Lists #belarus

les evenchick
 

Where are the 1887 Belarus and Lithuanian Census and Family Lists
to be found? Are they on jewishgen? If so, how does one get access?

Les
Les Evenchick
New Orleans
piratefish@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus The 1887 Belarus and Lithuanian Census and Family Lists #belarus

les evenchick
 

Where are the 1887 Belarus and Lithuanian Census and Family Lists
to be found? Are they on jewishgen? If so, how does one get access?

Les
Les Evenchick
New Orleans
piratefish@...


LECHTMAN, SACKS, and BECKER in Philadelphia #general

David Simpson <simpson_david12@...>
 

I am searching for information on Rose and Adeline BECKER >from Philadelphia.
Rose was born about 1915 in New Jersey, Adeline about 1921 in Pennsylvania.
In the 1920 US census, Rose lived with her parents Morris and Sarah BECKER
on Allegheny Avenue, Philadelphia. Morris was in the grocery business. But
by 1930, both girls were living with their aunt and uncle Katie and Morris
(not Harry!) SACKS on S. Orkney Street, and I cannot trace their parents.

I am interested in their mother, Sarah BECKER, because I believe she might
have been Sore LECHTMAN >from Krasnoye, Ukraine. She would have been born
about 1894 or 95, and emigrated in 1912. I am also looking for her sister
Libe LECHTMAN, who arrived in 1913. Both these girls had Philadelphia bank
records for them in Katie Sack's name.

If anyone knows anything about Katie and Morris Sacks, Sarah and Morris
Becker, Libe, Lechtman or Rose and Adeline Becker, I would greatly
appreciate hearing >from you.

Alaine Simpson
Hampshire
England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LECHTMAN, SACKS, and BECKER in Philadelphia #general

David Simpson <simpson_david12@...>
 

I am searching for information on Rose and Adeline BECKER >from Philadelphia.
Rose was born about 1915 in New Jersey, Adeline about 1921 in Pennsylvania.
In the 1920 US census, Rose lived with her parents Morris and Sarah BECKER
on Allegheny Avenue, Philadelphia. Morris was in the grocery business. But
by 1930, both girls were living with their aunt and uncle Katie and Morris
(not Harry!) SACKS on S. Orkney Street, and I cannot trace their parents.

I am interested in their mother, Sarah BECKER, because I believe she might
have been Sore LECHTMAN >from Krasnoye, Ukraine. She would have been born
about 1894 or 95, and emigrated in 1912. I am also looking for her sister
Libe LECHTMAN, who arrived in 1913. Both these girls had Philadelphia bank
records for them in Katie Sack's name.

If anyone knows anything about Katie and Morris Sacks, Sarah and Morris
Becker, Libe, Lechtman or Rose and Adeline Becker, I would greatly
appreciate hearing >from you.

Alaine Simpson
Hampshire
England


Why were Jews allowed to immigrate in Cuba in the 1930's? #general

lehrer
 

Hello,

Does anyone know why the Jews were allowed to immigrate into Cuba
in the 30's >from the previous century?

Why was an exception made for the Jews whilst I heard that the
Cuban authorities were very strict to allow immigration for
white people (does anyone have any source for this claim?)?

I am mainly talking about the Jews >from Antwerp that were working
in the diamond industry.

Thank you for your help,

Gershon Lehrer
gershon.lehrer@...
Antwerp, Belgium

Searching: DORF, ETSIONI, FISZLOWICZ, GERSTNER, GOLDSTEEN, HART,
KALLECH, LEHRER, PA(C)KTER, PAKTOR, S(Y)(I)LBERBERG, SAIL, SANDERS,
SCENIZER, SCHEEN, SJENITZER, SCH(O)NITZER, STORK, TIMBERG, VAN STRATEN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Why were Jews allowed to immigrate in Cuba in the 1930's? #general

lehrer
 

Hello,

Does anyone know why the Jews were allowed to immigrate into Cuba
in the 30's >from the previous century?

Why was an exception made for the Jews whilst I heard that the
Cuban authorities were very strict to allow immigration for
white people (does anyone have any source for this claim?)?

I am mainly talking about the Jews >from Antwerp that were working
in the diamond industry.

Thank you for your help,

Gershon Lehrer
gershon.lehrer@...
Antwerp, Belgium

Searching: DORF, ETSIONI, FISZLOWICZ, GERSTNER, GOLDSTEEN, HART,
KALLECH, LEHRER, PA(C)KTER, PAKTOR, S(Y)(I)LBERBERG, SAIL, SANDERS,
SCENIZER, SCHEEN, SJENITZER, SCH(O)NITZER, STORK, TIMBERG, VAN STRATEN


Encyclopedia of the Founders and Builders of Israel online #general

Saul Issroff
 

Touro College has put this 19-volume Hebrew-language
"Encyclopedia of the Founders and Builders of Israel"
on-line and it is searchable in Hebrew and English.

http://www.tidhar.tourolib.org/

APA citation: Tidhar, D. (1968).
"Entsiklopedyah le-halutse ha-yishuv u-vonav" (Vol. 17, p. 5188).
Retrieved from
http://www.tidhar.tourolib.org/tidhar/view/17/5188

Saul Issroff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Encyclopedia of the Founders and Builders of Israel online #general

Saul Issroff
 

Touro College has put this 19-volume Hebrew-language
"Encyclopedia of the Founders and Builders of Israel"
on-line and it is searchable in Hebrew and English.

http://www.tidhar.tourolib.org/

APA citation: Tidhar, D. (1968).
"Entsiklopedyah le-halutse ha-yishuv u-vonav" (Vol. 17, p. 5188).
Retrieved from
http://www.tidhar.tourolib.org/tidhar/view/17/5188

Saul Issroff


WEILL, Jacques m. Henriette ROTTEMBOURG #france

jaggy227@...
 

Looking for any information on the ancestry of Jacques WEILL (WEIL,
WEYL), probably born in Alsace ca 1824, d. in Paris 13 Dec. 1894, m.
Henriette ROTTEMBOURG (17 Mar 1817-7 Jun 1912). Six known children:
Hippolyte, Leontine, Laure, Berthe, Adele, and George, b. in Paris
between 1844 and 1865.

I have descendants for Leontine, who m. Joseph GODCHAUX, if anyone is
interested in further information on this line.

Any help appreciated.

cheers,

Gordon Bonnet
Trumansburg NY


French SIG #France WEILL, Jacques m. Henriette ROTTEMBOURG #france

jaggy227@...
 

Looking for any information on the ancestry of Jacques WEILL (WEIL,
WEYL), probably born in Alsace ca 1824, d. in Paris 13 Dec. 1894, m.
Henriette ROTTEMBOURG (17 Mar 1817-7 Jun 1912). Six known children:
Hippolyte, Leontine, Laure, Berthe, Adele, and George, b. in Paris
between 1844 and 1865.

I have descendants for Leontine, who m. Joseph GODCHAUX, if anyone is
interested in further information on this line.

Any help appreciated.

cheers,

Gordon Bonnet
Trumansburg NY


"in" names #belarus

azmyrna@...
 

Thanks to everyone who responded to my query.
Clearly there are lots of people whose name has that ending.
That it meant 'child of' makes sense.
Also, I now understand why the males were Verkin and the
women Verkina

What is fascinating is that it implies that there was an
ancient ancestor who was Vera and that there are multiple
D'vera or Vera women in the family.

Myrna Hewitt
Columbus, OH


Belarus SIG #Belarus "in" names #belarus

azmyrna@...
 

Thanks to everyone who responded to my query.
Clearly there are lots of people whose name has that ending.
That it meant 'child of' makes sense.
Also, I now understand why the males were Verkin and the
women Verkina

What is fascinating is that it implies that there was an
ancient ancestor who was Vera and that there are multiple
D'vera or Vera women in the family.

Myrna Hewitt
Columbus, OH


Re: The 1887 Belarus and Lithuanian Census and Family Lists #belarus

Bob Kosovsky
 

On Thu, 20 Jan 2011, les evenchick <piratefish@...> wrote:

Where are the 1887 Belarus and Lithuanian Census and Family Lists
to be found? Are they on JewishGen? If so, how does one get access?
I believe the Russian Empire had a revision list in 1874-75, not 1887
(although I suppose certain regions could have had local censuses -
which are really lists of residents for tax purposes).

I don't think any Russian revision list has even been transcribed in toto.
In fact, I doubt whether any revision has ever been reproduced in toto.
Such lists for many Russian towns have not even been microfilmed, and
the current Belarussian government has prevented new microfilming for years.

On JewishGen, I see it's up to various groups to organize and get whatever
data they can, arrange to get it translated and mounted on the various
databases.

I helped coordinate such a project with the 1811 revision list for
Slutsk (now part of the "All Belarus Database" on JewishGen).
At this year's IAJGS conference, I hope to propose a similar project
for the same town.

Bob Kosovsky, New York City,
seeking any and all permutations/locations of:
KASOVSKI/Y, KASOWSKI/Y, KOSOFSKY, KOSOVSKY, KOSOWSKY, KOSOW, KOSSOVE, etc.
Slutsk: DAVIDSON, GELFAND (also Sioux City, Iowa)
Klodawa: JARET, JARETSKY, JARECKI, KOLSKY/I; Przedecz: PIFKO, PIWKO


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: The 1887 Belarus and Lithuanian Census and Family Lists #belarus

Bob Kosovsky
 

On Thu, 20 Jan 2011, les evenchick <piratefish@...> wrote:

Where are the 1887 Belarus and Lithuanian Census and Family Lists
to be found? Are they on JewishGen? If so, how does one get access?
I believe the Russian Empire had a revision list in 1874-75, not 1887
(although I suppose certain regions could have had local censuses -
which are really lists of residents for tax purposes).

I don't think any Russian revision list has even been transcribed in toto.
In fact, I doubt whether any revision has ever been reproduced in toto.
Such lists for many Russian towns have not even been microfilmed, and
the current Belarussian government has prevented new microfilming for years.

On JewishGen, I see it's up to various groups to organize and get whatever
data they can, arrange to get it translated and mounted on the various
databases.

I helped coordinate such a project with the 1811 revision list for
Slutsk (now part of the "All Belarus Database" on JewishGen).
At this year's IAJGS conference, I hope to propose a similar project
for the same town.

Bob Kosovsky, New York City,
seeking any and all permutations/locations of:
KASOVSKI/Y, KASOWSKI/Y, KOSOFSKY, KOSOVSKY, KOSOWSKY, KOSOW, KOSSOVE, etc.
Slutsk: DAVIDSON, GELFAND (also Sioux City, Iowa)
Klodawa: JARET, JARETSKY, JARECKI, KOLSKY/I; Przedecz: PIFKO, PIWKO


In Search of Shneur ZALMAN #latvia

Marcella S
 

Hi
I have a brickwall with my husband's maternal grandfather's family
They came to South Africa where, I believe the last names were all
changed to Mayers, Schneiderman, Snider, Sniders
I am told the patriarch of this family was named Shneur Zalman (sp?)
and their home was Ilust near Darvipils Courland - although a set
of naturalization papers I have for one of the sons, Harry Mayers
indicates Liepaja as his place of birth.

Has anyone heard of Ilust?
Is anyone researching this family by some vague chance.
I'm not sure how or where to start looking since I am unable to find
any of the descendants in South Africa - one of them Leopold Snider
pops up on Google but I can't get any further.

Any comments, help would be great.
Thanks
Marcella Shames


Birth records. Bauska. 1882 #latvia

Christine Usdin