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Birth records - mother's family #galicia

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

Since the inception of the JRI-Poland project (actually, even earlier), the Pikholz
Project has ordered a large number of AGAD records, for at least a dozen towns
and cities in East Galicia. The actual records generally include the names of the
mother's parents - although not in all years is this the case.

In the case of Lwow, however, the records we have ordered have had an
additional piece of information.- the maiden name of the child's maternal
grandmother. For instance, Mendel and Blime Brandes had five children in
Tarnopol and one in Lwow. The four records we have for Tarnopol list Blime's
parents as Peretz and Perl Pikholz, >from which we cannot deduce for certain
whether Perl or Peretz is the Pikholz. For the child born in Lwow (the fourth in birth
order), Blime's parents are listed as Peretz Pikholz and Perl Nagler. Needless to
say, this can be very important.

We have only a handful of Lwow births, so I cannot say if this is the rule or if we
just got lucky, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention. At the same time, I'd be
curious to know if this information appears in other places in East Galicia.

(In another inslance, the Lwow record shows that the widowed grandmother lives
with the family.)

Wishing you all a good new year and a happy and meaningful Rosh Hashanah.

Israel Pickholtz
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Birth records - mother's family #galicia

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

Since the inception of the JRI-Poland project (actually, even earlier), the Pikholz
Project has ordered a large number of AGAD records, for at least a dozen towns
and cities in East Galicia. The actual records generally include the names of the
mother's parents - although not in all years is this the case.

In the case of Lwow, however, the records we have ordered have had an
additional piece of information.- the maiden name of the child's maternal
grandmother. For instance, Mendel and Blime Brandes had five children in
Tarnopol and one in Lwow. The four records we have for Tarnopol list Blime's
parents as Peretz and Perl Pikholz, >from which we cannot deduce for certain
whether Perl or Peretz is the Pikholz. For the child born in Lwow (the fourth in birth
order), Blime's parents are listed as Peretz Pikholz and Perl Nagler. Needless to
say, this can be very important.

We have only a handful of Lwow births, so I cannot say if this is the rule or if we
just got lucky, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention. At the same time, I'd be
curious to know if this information appears in other places in East Galicia.

(In another inslance, the Lwow record shows that the widowed grandmother lives
with the family.)

Wishing you all a good new year and a happy and meaningful Rosh Hashanah.

Israel Pickholtz
Thoughts for the New Year... #galicia

Susan E. King <susan.king@...>
 

As the Jewish New Year approaches and we gather with family and friends
in a time of self-reflection let us also think about what the year just
passed has meant to all of us who are part of the JewishGen family.

First and foremost has been the impact of our affiliation with the
Museum of Jewish Heritage-A Living Memorial to the Holocaust which
facilitated nearly 1,000,000 new records going online. Notwithstanding
this accomplishment, more is available, more is on the way and more can
indeed be realized in the New Year.

The JewishGen mission is clear and the grassroots effort that has been
our hallmark is stronger than ever. The generosity of material
donations, the contributions of volunteer time and skills and the
financial support so generously given has played a vital role in
preserving our precious history. This same generosity will define our
future and will define the accomplishments we can achieve working
together. As you reflect on the year gone by, please give thought to the
year to come.

A financial gift in any amount, whether it be $5, $50 or $500 or more
will be instrumental in insuring that JewishGen can continue to acquire,
process and display millions of additional records and information so
vital to our research and vital to Jewish continuity.=20

With the help of all of our constituency at levels you can afford,
working together, as we have demonstrated in the past, 2 million, 3
million, 5 million new records is not out of reach. Please consider a
gift for JewishGen's future during this season by visiting
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml this day.

On behalf of the entire MJH family, the JewishGen Board, officers and
staff, we wish you all a Healthy, Prosperous and Sweet New Year.

Susan


Susan E. King
Managing Director
JewishGen, Inc.
2951 Marina Bay Dr.
Suite 130-472
League City, TX 77573
(281) 535-2200=20
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Thoughts for the New Year... #galicia

Susan E. King <susan.king@...>
 

As the Jewish New Year approaches and we gather with family and friends
in a time of self-reflection let us also think about what the year just
passed has meant to all of us who are part of the JewishGen family.

First and foremost has been the impact of our affiliation with the
Museum of Jewish Heritage-A Living Memorial to the Holocaust which
facilitated nearly 1,000,000 new records going online. Notwithstanding
this accomplishment, more is available, more is on the way and more can
indeed be realized in the New Year.

The JewishGen mission is clear and the grassroots effort that has been
our hallmark is stronger than ever. The generosity of material
donations, the contributions of volunteer time and skills and the
financial support so generously given has played a vital role in
preserving our precious history. This same generosity will define our
future and will define the accomplishments we can achieve working
together. As you reflect on the year gone by, please give thought to the
year to come.

A financial gift in any amount, whether it be $5, $50 or $500 or more
will be instrumental in insuring that JewishGen can continue to acquire,
process and display millions of additional records and information so
vital to our research and vital to Jewish continuity.=20

With the help of all of our constituency at levels you can afford,
working together, as we have demonstrated in the past, 2 million, 3
million, 5 million new records is not out of reach. Please consider a
gift for JewishGen's future during this season by visiting
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml this day.

On behalf of the entire MJH family, the JewishGen Board, officers and
staff, we wish you all a Healthy, Prosperous and Sweet New Year.

Susan


Susan E. King
Managing Director
JewishGen, Inc.
2951 Marina Bay Dr.
Suite 130-472
League City, TX 77573
(281) 535-2200=20
New Book #hungary

alex p miller <alex-miller@...>
 

When the Angels fooled the World -- is a new book by Charles Fenyvesi,
published by the Wisconsin University Press. The book deals with the
heroic efforts of Hungarian gentiles(here the Angels) to save Jews from
the Holocaust.

A review of a previous book by the same author, When the World was
Whole, appears in the book section of H-Sig.

Best Regards,

Alex Miller, Reading, PA
Re: Halic, Slovakia (Ga'cs, HU) and Bossa'nyi #hungary

Jerry Zeisler <jzeisler@...>
 

Thank you to all of those who contributed to my questions regarding =
Ga'cs
and Bossa'nyi. I appreciate all of your help and guidance. My job now is =
to
follow up on all of the suggestions. Good luck!

Happy New Year.

Sincerely,
Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA
Searching in Hungary:
ZEISLER, WEINER, UNGAR, FISCHER, GROEDEL, LONYAY, LOWY, ECSEDY, ERNST,
HERTZFELD
Towns: Diosgyor, Eger, Sajo-Kazincz, Szolnok, Arad, Gyongyos, Szentes, =
Vacs,
Budapest, Maramaros-sighet
Hungary SIG #Hungary New Book #hungary

alex p miller <alex-miller@...>
 

When the Angels fooled the World -- is a new book by Charles Fenyvesi,
published by the Wisconsin University Press. The book deals with the
heroic efforts of Hungarian gentiles(here the Angels) to save Jews from
the Holocaust.

A review of a previous book by the same author, When the World was
Whole, appears in the book section of H-Sig.

Best Regards,

Alex Miller, Reading, PA
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Halic, Slovakia (Ga'cs, HU) and Bossa'nyi #hungary

Jerry Zeisler <jzeisler@...>
 

Thank you to all of those who contributed to my questions regarding =
Ga'cs
and Bossa'nyi. I appreciate all of your help and guidance. My job now is =
to
follow up on all of the suggestions. Good luck!

Happy New Year.

Sincerely,
Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA
Searching in Hungary:
ZEISLER, WEINER, UNGAR, FISCHER, GROEDEL, LONYAY, LOWY, ECSEDY, ERNST,
HERTZFELD
Towns: Diosgyor, Eger, Sajo-Kazincz, Szolnok, Arad, Gyongyos, Szentes, =
Vacs,
Budapest, Maramaros-sighet
Thoughts for the New Year... #hungary

Susan E. King <susan.king@...>
 

As the Jewish New Year approaches and we gather with family and friends
in a time of self-reflection let us also think about what the year just
passed has meant to all of us who are part of the JewishGen family.

First and foremost has been the impact of our affiliation with the
Museum of Jewish Heritage-A Living Memorial to the Holocaust which
facilitated nearly 1,000,000 new records going online. Notwithstanding
this accomplishment, more is available, more is on the way and more can
indeed be realized in the New Year.

The JewishGen mission is clear and the grassroots effort that has been
our hallmark is stronger than ever. The generosity of material
donations, the contributions of volunteer time and skills and the
financial support so generously given has played a vital role in
preserving our precious history. This same generosity will define our
future and will define the accomplishments we can achieve working
together. As you reflect on the year gone by, please give thought to the
year to come.

A financial gift in any amount, whether it be $5, $50 or $500 or more
will be instrumental in insuring that JewishGen can continue to acquire,
process and display millions of additional records and information so
vital to our research and vital to Jewish continuity.=20

With the help of all of our constituency at levels you can afford,
working together, as we have demonstrated in the past, 2 million, 3
million, 5 million new records is not out of reach. Please consider a
gift for JewishGen's future during this season by visiting
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml this day.

On behalf of the entire MJH family, the JewishGen Board, officers and
staff, we wish you all a Healthy, Prosperous and Sweet New Year.

Susan


Susan E. King
Managing Director
JewishGen, Inc.
2951 Marina Bay Dr.
Suite 130-472
League City, TX 77573
(281) 535-2200=20
Hungary SIG #Hungary Thoughts for the New Year... #hungary

Susan E. King <susan.king@...>
 

As the Jewish New Year approaches and we gather with family and friends
in a time of self-reflection let us also think about what the year just
passed has meant to all of us who are part of the JewishGen family.

First and foremost has been the impact of our affiliation with the
Museum of Jewish Heritage-A Living Memorial to the Holocaust which
facilitated nearly 1,000,000 new records going online. Notwithstanding
this accomplishment, more is available, more is on the way and more can
indeed be realized in the New Year.

The JewishGen mission is clear and the grassroots effort that has been
our hallmark is stronger than ever. The generosity of material
donations, the contributions of volunteer time and skills and the
financial support so generously given has played a vital role in
preserving our precious history. This same generosity will define our
future and will define the accomplishments we can achieve working
together. As you reflect on the year gone by, please give thought to the
year to come.

A financial gift in any amount, whether it be $5, $50 or $500 or more
will be instrumental in insuring that JewishGen can continue to acquire,
process and display millions of additional records and information so
vital to our research and vital to Jewish continuity.=20

With the help of all of our constituency at levels you can afford,
working together, as we have demonstrated in the past, 2 million, 3
million, 5 million new records is not out of reach. Please consider a
gift for JewishGen's future during this season by visiting
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml this day.

On behalf of the entire MJH family, the JewishGen Board, officers and
staff, we wish you all a Healthy, Prosperous and Sweet New Year.

Susan


Susan E. King
Managing Director
JewishGen, Inc.
2951 Marina Bay Dr.
Suite 130-472
League City, TX 77573
(281) 535-2200=20
Thoughts for the New Year... #warsaw #poland

Susan E. King <susan.king@...>
 

As the Jewish New Year approaches and we gather with family and friends
in a time of self-reflection let us also think about what the year just
passed has meant to all of us who are part of the JewishGen family.

First and foremost has been the impact of our affiliation with the
Museum of Jewish Heritage-A Living Memorial to the Holocaust which
facilitated nearly 1,000,000 new records going online. Notwithstanding
this accomplishment, more is available, more is on the way and more can
indeed be realized in the New Year.

The JewishGen mission is clear and the grassroots effort that has been
our hallmark is stronger than ever. The generosity of material
donations, the contributions of volunteer time and skills and the
financial support so generously given has played a vital role in
preserving our precious history. This same generosity will define our
future and will define the accomplishments we can achieve working
together. As you reflect on the year gone by, please give thought to the
year to come.

A financial gift in any amount, whether it be $5, $50 or $500 or more
will be instrumental in insuring that JewishGen can continue to acquire,
process and display millions of additional records and information so
vital to our research and vital to Jewish continuity.=20

With the help of all of our constituency at levels you can afford,
working together, as we have demonstrated in the past, 2 million, 3
million, 5 million new records is not out of reach. Please consider a
gift for JewishGen's future during this season by visiting
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml this day.

On behalf of the entire MJH family, the JewishGen Board, officers and
staff, we wish you all a Healthy, Prosperous and Sweet New Year.

Susan


Susan E. King
Managing Director
JewishGen, Inc.
2951 Marina Bay Dr.
Suite 130-472
League City, TX 77573
(281) 535-2200=20
Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Thoughts for the New Year... #warsaw #poland

Susan E. King <susan.king@...>
 

As the Jewish New Year approaches and we gather with family and friends
in a time of self-reflection let us also think about what the year just
passed has meant to all of us who are part of the JewishGen family.

First and foremost has been the impact of our affiliation with the
Museum of Jewish Heritage-A Living Memorial to the Holocaust which
facilitated nearly 1,000,000 new records going online. Notwithstanding
this accomplishment, more is available, more is on the way and more can
indeed be realized in the New Year.

The JewishGen mission is clear and the grassroots effort that has been
our hallmark is stronger than ever. The generosity of material
donations, the contributions of volunteer time and skills and the
financial support so generously given has played a vital role in
preserving our precious history. This same generosity will define our
future and will define the accomplishments we can achieve working
together. As you reflect on the year gone by, please give thought to the
year to come.

A financial gift in any amount, whether it be $5, $50 or $500 or more
will be instrumental in insuring that JewishGen can continue to acquire,
process and display millions of additional records and information so
vital to our research and vital to Jewish continuity.=20

With the help of all of our constituency at levels you can afford,
working together, as we have demonstrated in the past, 2 million, 3
million, 5 million new records is not out of reach. Please consider a
gift for JewishGen's future during this season by visiting
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/contribute.ihtml this day.

On behalf of the entire MJH family, the JewishGen Board, officers and
staff, we wish you all a Healthy, Prosperous and Sweet New Year.

Susan


Susan E. King
Managing Director
JewishGen, Inc.
2951 Marina Bay Dr.
Suite 130-472
League City, TX 77573
(281) 535-2200=20
Re: Birth records - mother's family #galicia

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

Israel brings up a few points about the vital records from
eastern Galician towns that can be ordered >from the AGAD Archives
in Warsaw via the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland order
processing system.

Point one is the appearance of the mother's parents names on the
birth record of her children. To summarize the answer: there is
NO rule - there is little consistency in the recording of births
in Galician records.

Before 1877, when Jewish vital record keeping was standardized,
the recording of the mother's ancestral information was not
consistent. In some cases, the father's given name only was
recorded. In some cases, the father's surname and given name were
recorded. In a few cases, the mother's given name was also
recorded. I do not recall ever seeing the mother's mother's
maiden name. The practice varied not only by town, but by
Registrar. If the Registrar changed, the recording of names on
the birth records may have also changed.

In 1877, the data required on the forms to record Jewish births
was standardized. This included the given names, surnames,
occupation, and place of residence of the mother's parents.
Although this requirement was standard, the implementation was
not consistent as Israel points out. Again, the recording of the
mother's mother's surname varied >from town to town and Registrar
to Registrar.

The second point is what information is included on Lwow/Lviv
birth records. So far, JRI-Poland has indexed only the 1889-1899
birth records for Lwow. In these records, the mother's ancestral
information is usually as Israel describes it -- both the
father's and mother's surnames are recorded. This is very
important for further genealogical research as indexing of the
earlier births, as well as marriages and deaths, are still to be
indexed. In these Lwow records, I have also noticed that the
actual street address in Lwow is recorded as the location of the
birth (usually the house of the parents or a close relative).
This is unique as House Number was recorded for location of birth
in all other eastern Galician towns.

Lwow indexing continues with 1877-1888 births. The indexing of
1814-37, 62-76 births, 1870-99 marriages, and 1864-99 deaths will
hopefully follow. If you are interested in the Lwow indexing,
please contact me privately.

L'Shana Tovah,
Mark Halpern
AGAD Archives Coordinator
JRI-Poland

----- Original Message -----
Since the inception of the JRI-Poland project (actually, even
earlier), the Pikholz
Project has ordered a large number of AGAD records, for at
least a dozen towns
and cities in East Galicia. The actual records generally
include the names of the
mother's parents - although not in all years is this the case.

In the case of Lwow, however, the records we have ordered have
had an
additional piece of information.- the maiden name of the
child's maternal
grandmother. For instance, Mendel and Blime Brandes had five
children in
Tarnopol and one in Lwow. The four records we have for
Tarnopol list Blime's
parents as Peretz and Perl Pikholz, >from which we cannot deduce
for certain
whether Perl or Peretz is the Pikholz. For the child born in
Lwow (the fourth in birth
order), Blime's parents are listed as Peretz Pikholz and Perl
Nagler. Needless to
say, this can be very important.

We have only a handful of Lwow births, so I cannot say if this
is the rule or if we
just got lucky, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention.
At the same time, I'd be
curious to know if this information appears in other places in
East Galicia.

(In another inslance, the Lwow record shows that the widowed
grandmother lives
with the family.)

Wishing you all a good new year and a happy and meaningful Rosh
Hashanah.

Israel Pickholtz
"Finding Your Jewish Roots in Galicia: A Resource Guide" #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero
 

In Nu? What's New? News About Jewish Genealogy >from Avotaynu, Gary Mokotoff,
Editor, reported:

Galicia Book Sold Out
=====================
The book "Finding Your Jewish Roots in Galicia: A Resource Guide" is now
sold out. It was announced in [an earlier] issue of "Nu? What's New?" that
there was a limited number of copies left. All have been sold.

There are no plans to reprint the book.

Shelley
--
Shelley K. Pollero, Coordinator
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
rkpollero@...
http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Birth records - mother's family #galicia

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

Israel brings up a few points about the vital records from
eastern Galician towns that can be ordered >from the AGAD Archives
in Warsaw via the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland order
processing system.

Point one is the appearance of the mother's parents names on the
birth record of her children. To summarize the answer: there is
NO rule - there is little consistency in the recording of births
in Galician records.

Before 1877, when Jewish vital record keeping was standardized,
the recording of the mother's ancestral information was not
consistent. In some cases, the father's given name only was
recorded. In some cases, the father's surname and given name were
recorded. In a few cases, the mother's given name was also
recorded. I do not recall ever seeing the mother's mother's
maiden name. The practice varied not only by town, but by
Registrar. If the Registrar changed, the recording of names on
the birth records may have also changed.

In 1877, the data required on the forms to record Jewish births
was standardized. This included the given names, surnames,
occupation, and place of residence of the mother's parents.
Although this requirement was standard, the implementation was
not consistent as Israel points out. Again, the recording of the
mother's mother's surname varied >from town to town and Registrar
to Registrar.

The second point is what information is included on Lwow/Lviv
birth records. So far, JRI-Poland has indexed only the 1889-1899
birth records for Lwow. In these records, the mother's ancestral
information is usually as Israel describes it -- both the
father's and mother's surnames are recorded. This is very
important for further genealogical research as indexing of the
earlier births, as well as marriages and deaths, are still to be
indexed. In these Lwow records, I have also noticed that the
actual street address in Lwow is recorded as the location of the
birth (usually the house of the parents or a close relative).
This is unique as House Number was recorded for location of birth
in all other eastern Galician towns.

Lwow indexing continues with 1877-1888 births. The indexing of
1814-37, 62-76 births, 1870-99 marriages, and 1864-99 deaths will
hopefully follow. If you are interested in the Lwow indexing,
please contact me privately.

L'Shana Tovah,
Mark Halpern
AGAD Archives Coordinator
JRI-Poland

----- Original Message -----
Since the inception of the JRI-Poland project (actually, even
earlier), the Pikholz
Project has ordered a large number of AGAD records, for at
least a dozen towns
and cities in East Galicia. The actual records generally
include the names of the
mother's parents - although not in all years is this the case.

In the case of Lwow, however, the records we have ordered have
had an
additional piece of information.- the maiden name of the
child's maternal
grandmother. For instance, Mendel and Blime Brandes had five
children in
Tarnopol and one in Lwow. The four records we have for
Tarnopol list Blime's
parents as Peretz and Perl Pikholz, >from which we cannot deduce
for certain
whether Perl or Peretz is the Pikholz. For the child born in
Lwow (the fourth in birth
order), Blime's parents are listed as Peretz Pikholz and Perl
Nagler. Needless to
say, this can be very important.

We have only a handful of Lwow births, so I cannot say if this
is the rule or if we
just got lucky, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention.
At the same time, I'd be
curious to know if this information appears in other places in
East Galicia.

(In another inslance, the Lwow record shows that the widowed
grandmother lives
with the family.)

Wishing you all a good new year and a happy and meaningful Rosh
Hashanah.

Israel Pickholtz
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia "Finding Your Jewish Roots in Galicia: A Resource Guide" #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero
 

In Nu? What's New? News About Jewish Genealogy >from Avotaynu, Gary Mokotoff,
Editor, reported:

Galicia Book Sold Out
=====================
The book "Finding Your Jewish Roots in Galicia: A Resource Guide" is now
sold out. It was announced in [an earlier] issue of "Nu? What's New?" that
there was a limited number of copies left. All have been sold.

There are no plans to reprint the book.

Shelley
--
Shelley K. Pollero, Coordinator
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
rkpollero@...
http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia
Re: rom-sig digest: September 24, 2003 #romania

Ckjordan373@...
 

I am interested in talking to anyone who has visited Romania recently...
I am planning a trip there in the next few weeks and would like to
hear of some not to miss places...also suggestions on where to stay
in Bucharest... Part of the trip is searching for ancestry...>from
Husi, Galati and Poldul Turculi...names HEILICHER, BLOOM, MARCOVICI

Thank You,
Cynthia Jordan

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Romania SIG #Romania Re: rom-sig digest: September 24, 2003 #romania

Ckjordan373@...
 

I am interested in talking to anyone who has visited Romania recently...
I am planning a trip there in the next few weeks and would like to
hear of some not to miss places...also suggestions on where to stay
in Bucharest... Part of the trip is searching for ancestry...>from
Husi, Galati and Poldul Turculi...names HEILICHER, BLOOM, MARCOVICI

Thank You,
Cynthia Jordan

MODERATOR NOTE: In the future please use a more meaningful
Subject line. Moderators cannot do this. With so many messages
being posted readers may just delete one such as above. Think
of it as a headline in a newspaper story, one that will attract
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BOF-Smorgon #belarus

Scott Rosenberg <sdavidr@...>
 

LITVIN/LITVINOV/LITVINOFF Smorgon, Grodno
SOSNITZER Smorgon, Grodno
GLICKMAN/GLECKMAN Smorgon, Grodno

Thanks,
Scott Rosenberg
Belarus SIG #Belarus BOF-Smorgon #belarus

Scott Rosenberg <sdavidr@...>
 

LITVIN/LITVINOV/LITVINOFF Smorgon, Grodno
SOSNITZER Smorgon, Grodno
GLICKMAN/GLECKMAN Smorgon, Grodno

Thanks,
Scott Rosenberg
436841 - 436860 of 669912