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Found ggg-gm's family: ViewMate Polish help needed #general

Marty Meyers <meyers01@...>
 

I would greatly appreciate a translation/extraction of the key information
in some Polish records I've just discovered.

I have an extensive collection of records that connect all the ZYLBERMAN
from Chorzele and Przasnysz going back 11 generations now and recently made
a breakthrough.

I've been looking for the surname of my ggg-grandmother, who despite
extensive records, had previously been known to me only as Malka z Haim i
Lai. I knew that Haim was dead in 1821 when my ggg-grandmother Malka
married Wigdor ZYLBERMAN and that Lai was alive in 1821 at the marriage.
I settled on the relatively painful task of looking at all microfilm
records in Przasnsyz and looking for marriages or deaths where the
parents were Haim and Laja

Luck was with me when I found a marriage record for Juda Leyb BRZYSKIER
and Gitla SMARWIDLO in 1835 whose parents were indeed a Haim (deceased)
and Lai (alive). The connection was proven when I saw my ggg-grandfather
Wigdor ZYLBERMAN's signature as a witness to the wedding of his brother-in-
law.

Armed with this surname, I found that Juda Leyb BRZYSKIER had a son Chaim
Ber who was married in 1857, also in Przasnsyz. In 1857, Juda Leyb was
already deceased (but no death certificate has been found). Since my gg-
grandfather Juda Leyb ZYLBERMAN was born in 1844, and this is the first
instance of the name Juda Lejb in the extensive ZYLBERMAN family tree, I
assume that my gggf was named after Malka's deceased brother, who
presumably died before 1844 (less than 9 years after his marriage).
A summary of what I know so far: (>from my partial reading of the records
on viewmate)

Malka BRZYSKIER married my ggg-gf Wigdor ZYLBERMAN
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2977
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2978
(split into two parts)
Malka's father was Chaim Lejb. Chaim Lejb's father was Litman.
Malka's mother was Laja. Laja's father was Zelek.

Malka's brother was Juda Lejb BRZYSKIER who married Gitla SMARWIDLO
(uploaded but not yet up on viewmate---it should be up soon)

and had a son
Chaim BER, who married Sura Berlinska.
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2979

I would appreciate a translation with all names, ages, places and
relationships, including those for the witnesses---some of whom I believe
to be related (for example, Wigdorz was a witness at Juda Lejb's marriage
and a witness on one marriage had a patrynomic Zelkowicz so that person
might be a sibling of Laja).

Please reply privately at < meyers01@comcast.net>

Thanks in advance,

Marty Meyers


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Found ggg-gm's family: ViewMate Polish help needed #general

Marty Meyers <meyers01@...>
 

I would greatly appreciate a translation/extraction of the key information
in some Polish records I've just discovered.

I have an extensive collection of records that connect all the ZYLBERMAN
from Chorzele and Przasnysz going back 11 generations now and recently made
a breakthrough.

I've been looking for the surname of my ggg-grandmother, who despite
extensive records, had previously been known to me only as Malka z Haim i
Lai. I knew that Haim was dead in 1821 when my ggg-grandmother Malka
married Wigdor ZYLBERMAN and that Lai was alive in 1821 at the marriage.
I settled on the relatively painful task of looking at all microfilm
records in Przasnsyz and looking for marriages or deaths where the
parents were Haim and Laja

Luck was with me when I found a marriage record for Juda Leyb BRZYSKIER
and Gitla SMARWIDLO in 1835 whose parents were indeed a Haim (deceased)
and Lai (alive). The connection was proven when I saw my ggg-grandfather
Wigdor ZYLBERMAN's signature as a witness to the wedding of his brother-in-
law.

Armed with this surname, I found that Juda Leyb BRZYSKIER had a son Chaim
Ber who was married in 1857, also in Przasnsyz. In 1857, Juda Leyb was
already deceased (but no death certificate has been found). Since my gg-
grandfather Juda Leyb ZYLBERMAN was born in 1844, and this is the first
instance of the name Juda Lejb in the extensive ZYLBERMAN family tree, I
assume that my gggf was named after Malka's deceased brother, who
presumably died before 1844 (less than 9 years after his marriage).
A summary of what I know so far: (>from my partial reading of the records
on viewmate)

Malka BRZYSKIER married my ggg-gf Wigdor ZYLBERMAN
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2977
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2978
(split into two parts)
Malka's father was Chaim Lejb. Chaim Lejb's father was Litman.
Malka's mother was Laja. Laja's father was Zelek.

Malka's brother was Juda Lejb BRZYSKIER who married Gitla SMARWIDLO
(uploaded but not yet up on viewmate---it should be up soon)

and had a son
Chaim BER, who married Sura Berlinska.
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2979

I would appreciate a translation with all names, ages, places and
relationships, including those for the witnesses---some of whom I believe
to be related (for example, Wigdorz was a witness at Juda Lejb's marriage
and a witness on one marriage had a patrynomic Zelkowicz so that person
might be a sibling of Laja).

Please reply privately at < meyers01@comcast.net>

Thanks in advance,

Marty Meyers


China #general

Bernard Lis
 

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for info on China.
We are leaving this Sunday, will be gone for 17 days. If I discover
anything interesting (that hasn't already been posted), I will post it
when I return.

Thanks,
Bernie Lis
West Bloomfield, MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen China #general

Bernard Lis
 

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for info on China.
We are leaving this Sunday, will be gone for 17 days. If I discover
anything interesting (that hasn't already been posted), I will post it
when I return.

Thanks,
Bernie Lis
West Bloomfield, MI


please help novice genealogist with missing death registrations #unitedkingdom

****** ****** <nicola_gold@...>
 

Dear message board

I am relatively new to genealogy and wondered if any of your members could
help me. I have been able to find a burial record for my husband's great
great grandfather in the Edmonton Federation Cemetery thanks to the
JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry which gives the date of death
(1919) and his full name and age (61). My next step was to try to find his
death registration in the 1837online index of births, marriages and deaths
but he is not there. I have tried various spellings and lots of
mis-spellings that may have been made and I have also tried the name that we
know his son (if not himself) adopted when they arrived in this country
which we think was around the time of the first world war.

Would it have been possible to bury someone without a death certificate in
1919? Could it have been something to do with the war? He was 61 years old
when he died. Does anyone know of this sort of thing happening to other
people?

Thank you very much

Nicola Gold
Leeds England


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom please help novice genealogist with missing death registrations #unitedkingdom

****** ****** <nicola_gold@...>
 

Dear message board

I am relatively new to genealogy and wondered if any of your members could
help me. I have been able to find a burial record for my husband's great
great grandfather in the Edmonton Federation Cemetery thanks to the
JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry which gives the date of death
(1919) and his full name and age (61). My next step was to try to find his
death registration in the 1837online index of births, marriages and deaths
but he is not there. I have tried various spellings and lots of
mis-spellings that may have been made and I have also tried the name that we
know his son (if not himself) adopted when they arrived in this country
which we think was around the time of the first world war.

Would it have been possible to bury someone without a death certificate in
1919? Could it have been something to do with the war? He was 61 years old
when he died. Does anyone know of this sort of thing happening to other
people?

Thank you very much

Nicola Gold
Leeds England


found ggg-gm's family: VIEWMATE Polish help needed #poland

Marty Meyers <meyers01@...>
 

Hi,

I would greatly appreciate a translation/extraction of the key information
in some
Polish records I've just discovered.

I have an extensive collection of records that connect all the ZYLBERMAN from
Chorzele and Przasnysz going back 11 generations now and recently made
a breakthrough.

I've been looking for the surname of my ggg-grandmother, who despite
extensive records, had previously been known to me only as Malka z Haim i
Lai. I knew that Haim was dead in 1821 when my ggg-grandmother Malka
married Wigdor ZYLBERMAN and that Lai was alive in 1821 at the marriage.
I settled on the relatively painful task of looking at all microfilm
records in Przasnsyz and looking for marriages or deaths where the
parents were Haim and Laja

Luck was with me when I found a marriage record
for Juda Leyb BRZYSKIER and Gitla SMARWIDLO in 1835 whose parents were
indeed a Haim (deceased) and Lai (alive).
The connection was proven when I saw my ggg-grandfather Wigdor ZYLBERMAN's
signature as a witness to the wedding of his brother-in-law.

Armed with this surname, I found that Juda Leyb BRZYSKIER had a son Chaim
Ber who was married in 1857, also in Przasnsyz. In 1857, Juda Leyb was already
deceased (but no death certificate has been found). Since my gg-
grandfather Juda Leyb ZYLBERMAN was born in 1844, and this is the first
instance of the name Juda Lejb in the extensive ZYLBERMAN family tree, I
assume that my gggf was named after Malka's deceased brother, who
presumably died before 1844 (less than 9 years after his marriage).

A summary of what I know so far: (>from my partial reading of the records on
viewmate)

Malka BRZYSKIER married my ggg-gf Wigdor ZYLBERMAN
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2977
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2978
(split into two parts)
Malka's father was Chaim Lejb. Chaim Lejb's father was Litman.
Malka's mother was Laja. Laja's father was Zelek.

Malka's brother was Juda Lejb BRZYSKIER who married Gitla SMARWIDLO
(uploaded but not yet up on viewmate---it should be up soon)

and had a son
Chaim BER, who married Sura Berlinska.
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2979

I would appreciate a translation with all names, ages, places and
relationships,
including those for the witnesses---some of whom I believe to be related
(for example, WigdorZ was a
witness at Juda Lejb's marriage and a witness on one marriage had a patrynomic
Zelkowicz so that person might be a sibling of Laja).


Please reply privately at <meyers01@comcast.net>

Thanks in advance,

Marty Meyers


JRI Poland #Poland found ggg-gm's family: VIEWMATE Polish help needed #poland

Marty Meyers <meyers01@...>
 

Hi,

I would greatly appreciate a translation/extraction of the key information
in some
Polish records I've just discovered.

I have an extensive collection of records that connect all the ZYLBERMAN from
Chorzele and Przasnysz going back 11 generations now and recently made
a breakthrough.

I've been looking for the surname of my ggg-grandmother, who despite
extensive records, had previously been known to me only as Malka z Haim i
Lai. I knew that Haim was dead in 1821 when my ggg-grandmother Malka
married Wigdor ZYLBERMAN and that Lai was alive in 1821 at the marriage.
I settled on the relatively painful task of looking at all microfilm
records in Przasnsyz and looking for marriages or deaths where the
parents were Haim and Laja

Luck was with me when I found a marriage record
for Juda Leyb BRZYSKIER and Gitla SMARWIDLO in 1835 whose parents were
indeed a Haim (deceased) and Lai (alive).
The connection was proven when I saw my ggg-grandfather Wigdor ZYLBERMAN's
signature as a witness to the wedding of his brother-in-law.

Armed with this surname, I found that Juda Leyb BRZYSKIER had a son Chaim
Ber who was married in 1857, also in Przasnsyz. In 1857, Juda Leyb was already
deceased (but no death certificate has been found). Since my gg-
grandfather Juda Leyb ZYLBERMAN was born in 1844, and this is the first
instance of the name Juda Lejb in the extensive ZYLBERMAN family tree, I
assume that my gggf was named after Malka's deceased brother, who
presumably died before 1844 (less than 9 years after his marriage).

A summary of what I know so far: (>from my partial reading of the records on
viewmate)

Malka BRZYSKIER married my ggg-gf Wigdor ZYLBERMAN
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2977
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2978
(split into two parts)
Malka's father was Chaim Lejb. Chaim Lejb's father was Litman.
Malka's mother was Laja. Laja's father was Zelek.

Malka's brother was Juda Lejb BRZYSKIER who married Gitla SMARWIDLO
(uploaded but not yet up on viewmate---it should be up soon)

and had a son
Chaim BER, who married Sura Berlinska.
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2979

I would appreciate a translation with all names, ages, places and
relationships,
including those for the witnesses---some of whom I believe to be related
(for example, WigdorZ was a
witness at Juda Lejb's marriage and a witness on one marriage had a patrynomic
Zelkowicz so that person might be a sibling of Laja).


Please reply privately at <meyers01@comcast.net>

Thanks in advance,

Marty Meyers


Warsaw Ghetto Death Card Database News #warsaw #poland

Hadassah Lipsius <kesher@...>
 

To commemorate the 60th Anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, in
April 2003, Jewish Records Indexing-Poland introduced the Warsaw Ghetto
Death Card Database. At that time the death card data became searchable
on the JRI-Poland database.

Information on the Warsaw Ghetto Death Card database can be found at

http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-warsaw-ghetto.htm


Dr. Kris Murawski was kind enough to translate the causes of death and I
have added this list as a downloadable excel file to the website.

If you want to search the Warsaw Ghetto Death Card database,
go to http://www.jri-poland.org and select search the database. Type in
the surname you are researching and under the town name type in Warsaw.

Best of luck

Hadassah Lipsius
Kew Gardens Hills, NY


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Warsaw Ghetto Death Card Database News #warsaw #poland

Hadassah Lipsius <kesher@...>
 

To commemorate the 60th Anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, in
April 2003, Jewish Records Indexing-Poland introduced the Warsaw Ghetto
Death Card Database. At that time the death card data became searchable
on the JRI-Poland database.

Information on the Warsaw Ghetto Death Card database can be found at

http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-warsaw-ghetto.htm


Dr. Kris Murawski was kind enough to translate the causes of death and I
have added this list as a downloadable excel file to the website.

If you want to search the Warsaw Ghetto Death Card database,
go to http://www.jri-poland.org and select search the database. Type in
the surname you are researching and under the town name type in Warsaw.

Best of luck

Hadassah Lipsius
Kew Gardens Hills, NY


The October 2003 Issue of Sharsheret Hadorot. #germany

Goldschmidt
 

MODERATOR NOTE: The journal described here is in both Hebrew and English.
Subscriptions are included with membership in the Israel Jewish
Genealogical Society (JGS). Subscription information for non-IJGS members
and a full summary of the contents of this issue can be obtained from:
goldsmit@netvision.net.il

This issue of "Sharsheret Hadorot" is rather diverse.

The area of history, the longstanding companion of genealogy, is
represented in this issue by the comprehensive article by Dr. Martha Lev-
Zion on Jewish life in central Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries. Dr.
Lev-Zion spreads out a wide scope in which she covers the daily life
including customs of marriage and brit mila, as well as the education of
children and their study of Torah. She also discusses local customs - all
of this on the background of frequent expulsions and the Thirty Years War.

A new contributor to Sharsheret Hadorot is Mr. Shlomo David >from our Haifa
branch. He shows us, how according to Rashi's interpretation of a verse in
the Book of Numbers, even in ancient times our ancestors maintained family
trees and when the census was taken in the desert, they presented them
before all of the people.

We are pleased to announce that beginning with next year, 2004, Sharsheret
Hadorot will become a quarterly, appearing four times a year. In
anticipation of this change, this copy is expanded and its issue number
appears as 17/3-4, 2003. Best wishes and Shana Tova,

Joseph Goldschmidt Sharsheret Hadorot (Journal of the Israel J.G.S.)
goldsmit@netvision.net.il


Re: Cantor Yossele ROSENBLATT and R' Samuel ROSENBLATT #rabbinic

Brandler Institute of Chasidic Thought <bict@...>
 

On 2003.10.16, Moshe Davis <davis@sefer.org> quoted a Jewish Action
article <http://www.ou.org/publications/ja/5764/5764fall/YOSSELER.PDF>
as follows:

in early 1925 ROSENBLATT was forced into bankruptcy as a result of
having agreed in 1922 to invest in a dubious Yiddish newspaper
venture.
Although I fear this is a bit off actual "genealogy," I think that
it is only fair to make one important correction to the otherwise
excellent description of Yossele ROSENBLATT.

The reason that he went on tour in 1922 was because he had lost a
huge sum of money he had invested into a newspaper. It may have been
unsuccessful >from a financial point of view, but the newspaper was
not a "dubious" Yiddish newspaper venture - it was actually the
"Yiddishe Licht," which he founded together with the greatly revered
Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, one of American Jewry's most important
figures, who also founded Mesivta Torah Vodaas, and Torah Umesorah,
both extremely successful institutions to this very day. The
"Yiddish Licht" was intended to give the large Orthodox Jewry a
voice, since the existing Yiddish Newspapers in America all had
strong left-wing secular leanings. It was financially unsuccessful
and eventually failed, although extant copies of this newspaper give
us great historical insight into Orthodox Jewry of the time.

Avraham Heschel
Brooklyn, NY


German SIG #Germany The October 2003 Issue of Sharsheret Hadorot. #germany

Goldschmidt
 

MODERATOR NOTE: The journal described here is in both Hebrew and English.
Subscriptions are included with membership in the Israel Jewish
Genealogical Society (JGS). Subscription information for non-IJGS members
and a full summary of the contents of this issue can be obtained from:
goldsmit@netvision.net.il

This issue of "Sharsheret Hadorot" is rather diverse.

The area of history, the longstanding companion of genealogy, is
represented in this issue by the comprehensive article by Dr. Martha Lev-
Zion on Jewish life in central Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries. Dr.
Lev-Zion spreads out a wide scope in which she covers the daily life
including customs of marriage and brit mila, as well as the education of
children and their study of Torah. She also discusses local customs - all
of this on the background of frequent expulsions and the Thirty Years War.

A new contributor to Sharsheret Hadorot is Mr. Shlomo David >from our Haifa
branch. He shows us, how according to Rashi's interpretation of a verse in
the Book of Numbers, even in ancient times our ancestors maintained family
trees and when the census was taken in the desert, they presented them
before all of the people.

We are pleased to announce that beginning with next year, 2004, Sharsheret
Hadorot will become a quarterly, appearing four times a year. In
anticipation of this change, this copy is expanded and its issue number
appears as 17/3-4, 2003. Best wishes and Shana Tova,

Joseph Goldschmidt Sharsheret Hadorot (Journal of the Israel J.G.S.)
goldsmit@netvision.net.il


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Cantor Yossele ROSENBLATT and R' Samuel ROSENBLATT #rabbinic

Brandler Institute of Chasidic Thought <bict@...>
 

On 2003.10.16, Moshe Davis <davis@sefer.org> quoted a Jewish Action
article <http://www.ou.org/publications/ja/5764/5764fall/YOSSELER.PDF>
as follows:

in early 1925 ROSENBLATT was forced into bankruptcy as a result of
having agreed in 1922 to invest in a dubious Yiddish newspaper
venture.
Although I fear this is a bit off actual "genealogy," I think that
it is only fair to make one important correction to the otherwise
excellent description of Yossele ROSENBLATT.

The reason that he went on tour in 1922 was because he had lost a
huge sum of money he had invested into a newspaper. It may have been
unsuccessful >from a financial point of view, but the newspaper was
not a "dubious" Yiddish newspaper venture - it was actually the
"Yiddishe Licht," which he founded together with the greatly revered
Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, one of American Jewry's most important
figures, who also founded Mesivta Torah Vodaas, and Torah Umesorah,
both extremely successful institutions to this very day. The
"Yiddish Licht" was intended to give the large Orthodox Jewry a
voice, since the existing Yiddish Newspapers in America all had
strong left-wing secular leanings. It was financially unsuccessful
and eventually failed, although extant copies of this newspaper give
us great historical insight into Orthodox Jewry of the time.

Avraham Heschel
Brooklyn, NY


HERZL & DIAMANT families #germany

Goldschmidt
 

Dear all Gersigers,
I would like to know if and how the Theodor HERZL family is related to the
DIAMANT family.

Any information would be appreciated. Thanks and Chag Sameach >from Israel.

Joseph Goldschmidt goldsmit@netvision.net.il

Researching: GUMPEL, NEUGASS, MERENLENDER, HOHENSTEIN & ISSERLIN everywhere


ViewMate Translations #galicia

Errol Schneegurt
 

Hi,
I would appreciate it if some member could translate the Polish birth records
from Lviv that I have posted to ViewMate. In some cases the quality of the
originals are not the best.

They can be found at,
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html
file - VM2968
file - VM2969
file - VM2970
file - VM2971
file - VM2972

Please send your responses to me directly at ESLVIV@AOL.COM
Thank you in advance,
Errol Schneegurt LI NY


Scarbowy #galicia

Errol Schneegurt
 

Hi,
I would like to thank all those that responded to my question related to the
word Scarbowy.
One answer leads to a thousand questions. I am not sure how a fish handler
(trader), who we thought for sure was a vegetable peddler, is connected to a
possible office function associated with the word treasury and money-lending.
He could have speculated on the purchase and the sale of fish.
I may have more answers after I post the birth records on Viewmate for
translation.
Again I thank all who responded.
Errol Schneegurt LI NY ESLVIV@AOL.COM


German SIG #Germany HERZL & DIAMANT families #germany

Goldschmidt
 

Dear all Gersigers,
I would like to know if and how the Theodor HERZL family is related to the
DIAMANT family.

Any information would be appreciated. Thanks and Chag Sameach >from Israel.

Joseph Goldschmidt goldsmit@netvision.net.il

Researching: GUMPEL, NEUGASS, MERENLENDER, HOHENSTEIN & ISSERLIN everywhere


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ViewMate Translations #galicia

Errol Schneegurt
 

Hi,
I would appreciate it if some member could translate the Polish birth records
from Lviv that I have posted to ViewMate. In some cases the quality of the
originals are not the best.

They can be found at,
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html
file - VM2968
file - VM2969
file - VM2970
file - VM2971
file - VM2972

Please send your responses to me directly at ESLVIV@AOL.COM
Thank you in advance,
Errol Schneegurt LI NY


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Scarbowy #galicia

Errol Schneegurt
 

Hi,
I would like to thank all those that responded to my question related to the
word Scarbowy.
One answer leads to a thousand questions. I am not sure how a fish handler
(trader), who we thought for sure was a vegetable peddler, is connected to a
possible office function associated with the word treasury and money-lending.
He could have speculated on the purchase and the sale of fish.
I may have more answers after I post the birth records on Viewmate for
translation.
Again I thank all who responded.
Errol Schneegurt LI NY ESLVIV@AOL.COM