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Shusan. #general

Udi Cain
 

The name Shoshanah, is derived >from the Lily/Lilium, the same as Pancratium.
Shshana is often mistaken to be Rose, which is actually Vered.

Susa was the capital of Eilam since the third millennium BC,
the town was established at least two thousand years before that.
Nothing to do with Shoshana. If we have to try and find the meaning
I would have associatively say that this is the origin of the Hebrew
name for Horse, I can make an assumption that the Eilamians' had
used the horses for their conquers, and it's likely that they would name
their capital on the name of their main battle machine (but it's only
assumption).
The ancient Eilamian language is a secret to us, only later, when the
conquered Mesopotamia >from Akad (after Akad conquered them), in the end of
the third millennium.they adducted the Accadian language as a written
language, but still the meaning of their language is mystery.
So if to chose between Shshana and a horse, I would prefer Shakespeare's
version.

Regards, Udi Cain.

Shoshanah is a Hebrew word often used as a girl's name. It means "lily"
-- cf. Shoshanat ha-amaqim, "lily of the valley" as mentioned in the Song
of Songs. It appears in Greek transliteration as "Susanna", of which
name "Susan" is a shortened form.

In the biblical Book of Esther, "Shushan" is simply a Hebraized version of
Susa, ancient capital of the Persian Empire under the Achaemenid dynasty
in the 6th century BCE (the period in which the story of Esther is set).

Judith Romney Wegner
mailto:jrw@Brown.edu


UK postcode URL #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

United Kingdon. Royal Mail Postcode Finder
http://www.royalmail.com/paf/ =


Miriam MARGOLYES
born in the UK
Santa Monica
e-mail: 75342.3217@compuserve.xom

searching: MICHAELS, GOLDSMITH (London & USA 19C)
PASEVITCH, PORTER (Chicago) LAZARUS (Berlin 19C)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shusan. #general

Udi Cain
 

The name Shoshanah, is derived >from the Lily/Lilium, the same as Pancratium.
Shshana is often mistaken to be Rose, which is actually Vered.

Susa was the capital of Eilam since the third millennium BC,
the town was established at least two thousand years before that.
Nothing to do with Shoshana. If we have to try and find the meaning
I would have associatively say that this is the origin of the Hebrew
name for Horse, I can make an assumption that the Eilamians' had
used the horses for their conquers, and it's likely that they would name
their capital on the name of their main battle machine (but it's only
assumption).
The ancient Eilamian language is a secret to us, only later, when the
conquered Mesopotamia >from Akad (after Akad conquered them), in the end of
the third millennium.they adducted the Accadian language as a written
language, but still the meaning of their language is mystery.
So if to chose between Shshana and a horse, I would prefer Shakespeare's
version.

Regards, Udi Cain.

Shoshanah is a Hebrew word often used as a girl's name. It means "lily"
-- cf. Shoshanat ha-amaqim, "lily of the valley" as mentioned in the Song
of Songs. It appears in Greek transliteration as "Susanna", of which
name "Susan" is a shortened form.

In the biblical Book of Esther, "Shushan" is simply a Hebraized version of
Susa, ancient capital of the Persian Empire under the Achaemenid dynasty
in the 6th century BCE (the period in which the story of Esther is set).

Judith Romney Wegner
mailto:jrw@Brown.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen UK postcode URL #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

United Kingdon. Royal Mail Postcode Finder
http://www.royalmail.com/paf/ =


Miriam MARGOLYES
born in the UK
Santa Monica
e-mail: 75342.3217@compuserve.xom

searching: MICHAELS, GOLDSMITH (London & USA 19C)
PASEVITCH, PORTER (Chicago) LAZARUS (Berlin 19C)


Soundex reminder #lithuania

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

I would just like to remind fellow researchers
that using the soundex codes to do any lookups
in any database whether it is online, at NARA,
or any library facilities, is only as good as the
codes you use.

Because of the many different spellings of surnames,
this is remind everyone that they should check all
the different spellings for any surname when looking
for a soundex codes.

It is a good lesson for me as I try to find my
Rabinowitz family. There are five different ways that
I know of of spelling Rabinowitz - Rabinowitz, Rabinovitz
Rabinowich, Rabinovich and Rabinowicz. I am sure
someone can come up with more, also.

My point is that to do a thorough search in any database
or microfilm collection, you must be sure to get all the
popular common spellings of the surname and check
and each and every code.

I learned this lesson while doing a lookup for the l920
census for Berkowitz as a favor for someone in England.
I was given the name Berkowicz to search but instantly
felt that in the US it was probably Berkowitz and Berkovitz.
I searched all three soundex code and finally found the
correct family under Berkowitz.

Hope this helps someone cover all the bases.

Diane Glazer Jacobs
New York


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Soundex reminder #lithuania

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

I would just like to remind fellow researchers
that using the soundex codes to do any lookups
in any database whether it is online, at NARA,
or any library facilities, is only as good as the
codes you use.

Because of the many different spellings of surnames,
this is remind everyone that they should check all
the different spellings for any surname when looking
for a soundex codes.

It is a good lesson for me as I try to find my
Rabinowitz family. There are five different ways that
I know of of spelling Rabinowitz - Rabinowitz, Rabinovitz
Rabinowich, Rabinovich and Rabinowicz. I am sure
someone can come up with more, also.

My point is that to do a thorough search in any database
or microfilm collection, you must be sure to get all the
popular common spellings of the surname and check
and each and every code.

I learned this lesson while doing a lookup for the l920
census for Berkowitz as a favor for someone in England.
I was given the name Berkowicz to search but instantly
felt that in the US it was probably Berkowitz and Berkovitz.
I searched all three soundex code and finally found the
correct family under Berkowitz.

Hope this helps someone cover all the bases.

Diane Glazer Jacobs
New York


Rabbi's from Widawa (BERGMAN) #general

MorrisW733@...
 

In a message dated 9/28/2000 1:16:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<<
Subject: Rabbi's >from Widawa (BERGMAN)
From: "Wendy Bergman" <pearls@dellnet.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:32:38 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3

Greetings Jewish Genners,
I have been reading your posts for close to a month now hoping to find
messages with similar subjects to my personal search.
Surprisingly, not one mention has been made with reference to the name
BERGMAN. I thought it might be more common.
My father is a survivor of the holocaust and came to NY >from Warsaw after
the war ended.
The earliest reference I know of in my family is of a Rabbi Lippman
BERGMAN, of Widawa born @ 1810-1815, died @ 1887 Rabbi had 5 sons: Icio,
Abe, Leibish, Moshe, and David.
Is there a known source for researching Rabbi's of Poland?
Thanks for all the very interesting geneological subjects that I am
becoming acquainted with through this site.
Wendy ( in Boston) >>


Searching for SHRAGE #lithuania

Alfred E Lipsey <LIPSEYA@...>
 

Searching for descendants and relative of Faytel (Faviel) SHRAGE (1826-?),
Zagare, Lithuania.
Alfred Lipsey
lipseya@prodigy.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rabbi's from Widawa (BERGMAN) #general

MorrisW733@...
 

In a message dated 9/28/2000 1:16:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<<
Subject: Rabbi's >from Widawa (BERGMAN)
From: "Wendy Bergman" <pearls@dellnet.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:32:38 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3

Greetings Jewish Genners,
I have been reading your posts for close to a month now hoping to find
messages with similar subjects to my personal search.
Surprisingly, not one mention has been made with reference to the name
BERGMAN. I thought it might be more common.
My father is a survivor of the holocaust and came to NY >from Warsaw after
the war ended.
The earliest reference I know of in my family is of a Rabbi Lippman
BERGMAN, of Widawa born @ 1810-1815, died @ 1887 Rabbi had 5 sons: Icio,
Abe, Leibish, Moshe, and David.
Is there a known source for researching Rabbi's of Poland?
Thanks for all the very interesting geneological subjects that I am
becoming acquainted with through this site.
Wendy ( in Boston) >>


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Searching for SHRAGE #lithuania

Alfred E Lipsey <LIPSEYA@...>
 

Searching for descendants and relative of Faytel (Faviel) SHRAGE (1826-?),
Zagare, Lithuania.
Alfred Lipsey
lipseya@prodigy.net


Re: Shusan, Shoshana and Rosies #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 9/26/00 11:55:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jrw@Brown.edu
writes:

<< Shoshanah is a Hebrew word often used as a girl's name. It means "lily"
-- cf. Shoshanat ha-amaqim, "lily of the valley" as mentioned in the Song
of Songs. It appears in Greek transliteration as "Susanna", of which
name "Susan" is a shortened form. >>

To which I will add that Shoshana is often wrongly assumed (even in Israel
to this day) to mean "rose." Accordingly, many women who bear the name
Rosa, Reysel, Rosalie, Reyslech, Roeschen etc. may also have a Hebrew name,
Shoshanah. Thus, my niece Shoshanah in Tel Aviv is named after my
grandmother Rosa >from Frankfurt, Germany.

Shana Tovah to all

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


THERE ONCE WAS A WORLD (Eishyshok, Lithuania #lithuania

rokoco1@...
 

Dear Genners:

My Husband and I are thrilled to announce that having the good fortune to
stumble upon a second and final copy of the above book, we have just placed
it on JewishGen's auction site. It may be viewed at the following URL

http://www.jewishgen.org/cgi-bin/auction.pl?books&971399262

This is a FIRST EDITION 818 page nine century saga of Eastern European Jewry.
Dr. Eliach's research took her >from family attics on six continents to state
archives no scholar had seen since the start of the cold war.

PBS is airing "There once was a town" Reopens a door to history. Survivors
Return to their childhood a Half-Century After the holocaust 1941 Nazis
invaded the small town of Eishyshok, Poland (now Lithuania) and brutally
murdered nearly all 3,500 Jewish residents. There Once Was a Town chronicles
the remarkable journey of four survivors and their families to their
childhood home 56 years after the massacre. The 90-minute documentary, airs
nationwide on Sunday, October 1, 2000, at 10pm ET. BE SURE TO CHECK YOUR
LOCAL LISTINGS.

May you all be inscribed and sealed for a sweet, happy, healthy and
prosperous year.

Happy New Year,

Jerry & Bobbi Cohen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Shusan, Shoshana and Rosies #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 9/26/00 11:55:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jrw@Brown.edu
writes:

<< Shoshanah is a Hebrew word often used as a girl's name. It means "lily"
-- cf. Shoshanat ha-amaqim, "lily of the valley" as mentioned in the Song
of Songs. It appears in Greek transliteration as "Susanna", of which
name "Susan" is a shortened form. >>

To which I will add that Shoshana is often wrongly assumed (even in Israel
to this day) to mean "rose." Accordingly, many women who bear the name
Rosa, Reysel, Rosalie, Reyslech, Roeschen etc. may also have a Hebrew name,
Shoshanah. Thus, my niece Shoshanah in Tel Aviv is named after my
grandmother Rosa >from Frankfurt, Germany.

Shana Tovah to all

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania THERE ONCE WAS A WORLD (Eishyshok, Lithuania #lithuania

rokoco1@...
 

Dear Genners:

My Husband and I are thrilled to announce that having the good fortune to
stumble upon a second and final copy of the above book, we have just placed
it on JewishGen's auction site. It may be viewed at the following URL

http://www.jewishgen.org/cgi-bin/auction.pl?books&971399262

This is a FIRST EDITION 818 page nine century saga of Eastern European Jewry.
Dr. Eliach's research took her >from family attics on six continents to state
archives no scholar had seen since the start of the cold war.

PBS is airing "There once was a town" Reopens a door to history. Survivors
Return to their childhood a Half-Century After the holocaust 1941 Nazis
invaded the small town of Eishyshok, Poland (now Lithuania) and brutally
murdered nearly all 3,500 Jewish residents. There Once Was a Town chronicles
the remarkable journey of four survivors and their families to their
childhood home 56 years after the massacre. The 90-minute documentary, airs
nationwide on Sunday, October 1, 2000, at 10pm ET. BE SURE TO CHECK YOUR
LOCAL LISTINGS.

May you all be inscribed and sealed for a sweet, happy, healthy and
prosperous year.

Happy New Year,

Jerry & Bobbi Cohen


Kotlyar,Dinitz, Soiffer, Schwartz, Roitman, Galitsky, Goldberg, Krasnov #ukraine

RONC1VSNY@...
 

I am researching in the area around Kamenets-Podolski for the surnames
Kotlyar, Dinitz, Soiffer, Schwartz, and Roitman(Roitman may be near Khotin).
My great grandparents were Srul Kotlyar born in Orinin and Ghentsa Dinitz
born in Smotrich. My father's maternal grandparents were Isaac Soiffer and
Malka Schwartz(2nd wife). All greatgrandparents were born in the 1860's with
the exception of Isaac Soiffer? who dates back to 1850? I am not certain of
the
surname Soiffer in the Ukraine. The Roitman surname is >from Isaac Soiffer's
first
wife and some if not all lived in Khotin and in Bessarabia.

On my maternal side is my grandfather who was born in the Elizabetgrad area,
now Kirovograd. The surname is Galitsky. They lived on a farm, but the family
moved to the city where the youngest child was born @1890. Other surnames
in the family are Zolatarov, Krasnov, and Goldberg. I believe there are still
Goldberg relatives living in the former Soviet Union.

Ron Cutler ronc1vsny@aol.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kotlyar,Dinitz, Soiffer, Schwartz, Roitman, Galitsky, Goldberg, Krasnov #ukraine

RONC1VSNY@...
 

I am researching in the area around Kamenets-Podolski for the surnames
Kotlyar, Dinitz, Soiffer, Schwartz, and Roitman(Roitman may be near Khotin).
My great grandparents were Srul Kotlyar born in Orinin and Ghentsa Dinitz
born in Smotrich. My father's maternal grandparents were Isaac Soiffer and
Malka Schwartz(2nd wife). All greatgrandparents were born in the 1860's with
the exception of Isaac Soiffer? who dates back to 1850? I am not certain of
the
surname Soiffer in the Ukraine. The Roitman surname is >from Isaac Soiffer's
first
wife and some if not all lived in Khotin and in Bessarabia.

On my maternal side is my grandfather who was born in the Elizabetgrad area,
now Kirovograd. The surname is Galitsky. They lived on a farm, but the family
moved to the city where the youngest child was born @1890. Other surnames
in the family are Zolatarov, Krasnov, and Goldberg. I believe there are still
Goldberg relatives living in the former Soviet Union.

Ron Cutler ronc1vsny@aol.com


Soundex reminder #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

I would just like to remind fellow researchers
that using the soundex codes to do any lookups
in any database whether it is online, at NARA,
or any library facilities, is only as good as the
codes you use.

Because of the many different spellings of surnames,
this is remind everyone that they should check all
the different spellings for any surname when looking
for a soundex codes.

It is a good lesson for me as I try to find my
Rabinowitz family. There are five different ways that
I know of of spelling Rabinowitz - Rabinowitz, Rabinovitz
Rabinowich, Rabinovich and Rabinowicz. I am sure
someone can come up with more, also.

My point is that to do a thorough search in any database
or microfilm collection, you must be sure to get all the
popular common spellings of the surname and check
and each and every code.

I learned this lesson while doing a lookup for the l920
census for Berkowitz as a favor for someone in England.
I was given the name Berkowicz to search but instantly
felt that in the US it was probably Berkowitz and Berkovitz.
I searched all three soundex code and finally found the
correct family under Berkowitz.

Hope this helps someone cover all the bases.

Diane Glazer Jacobs
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Soundex reminder #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

I would just like to remind fellow researchers
that using the soundex codes to do any lookups
in any database whether it is online, at NARA,
or any library facilities, is only as good as the
codes you use.

Because of the many different spellings of surnames,
this is remind everyone that they should check all
the different spellings for any surname when looking
for a soundex codes.

It is a good lesson for me as I try to find my
Rabinowitz family. There are five different ways that
I know of of spelling Rabinowitz - Rabinowitz, Rabinovitz
Rabinowich, Rabinovich and Rabinowicz. I am sure
someone can come up with more, also.

My point is that to do a thorough search in any database
or microfilm collection, you must be sure to get all the
popular common spellings of the surname and check
and each and every code.

I learned this lesson while doing a lookup for the l920
census for Berkowitz as a favor for someone in England.
I was given the name Berkowicz to search but instantly
felt that in the US it was probably Berkowitz and Berkovitz.
I searched all three soundex code and finally found the
correct family under Berkowitz.

Hope this helps someone cover all the bases.

Diane Glazer Jacobs
New York


Re: Juno.com users #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Stacy Harris is the one needing help with the juno.com e-mail
program, not offering it. Sorry for the confusion, and please,
do not reply to me.

Carol

Carol Skydell
JewishGen Operations

Personal messages to -->skydell@vineyard.net
JewishGen business to -->cskydell@jewishgen.org
Thank you!


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Juno.com users #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Stacy Harris is the one needing help with the juno.com e-mail
program, not offering it. Sorry for the confusion, and please,
do not reply to me.

Carol

Carol Skydell
JewishGen Operations

Personal messages to -->skydell@vineyard.net
JewishGen business to -->cskydell@jewishgen.org
Thank you!