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Interpreting Russian Orthodox verses Hebrew date in Archive Record. #lithuania

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

Dear Group,

There are 2 dates on a Keidan archive records for a
birth. The Russian Orthodox date is 10/27/1914, but
the Hebrew date is 20 Heshvan 5675 which is actually
11/09/1914. I was told that the Russian Orthodox dates
during this time could be 13 days behind our current
Julian Calendar.

Is this correct? The Julian date is 13 days off in
this record.

Sincerely,
Yehudah BenShlomo

transliteration of place names #yizkorbooks

Avigdor&Laia <lbendov@...>
 

Wouldn't it be convenient and much more efficient if everyone had a common
database for transliteration of place names >from Hebrew (or Yiddish) to
English >from the Yizkorbooks? It seems to me that I reinvent the wheel every
time I use JewGen shtetlfinder to locate a particular name and if it is the
right one in the right place (since so many seem to be the same name!). JGSF
should have a Hebrew transliteration as found in the Yizkorbooks (even with
multiple spellings). Ada Holzman had a wonderful list of place names with
the Hebrew also given, but it was not complete and I lost the link to it as
well. If someone knows of a such a Hebrew-English place-name list, I would
be pleased to hear of it.
Nevertheless, I would like to propose that those Hebrew readers among us
pool our skills and resources and make a combined list by country or region
for the Yizkorbook translations put on line. Surname lists are tricky, but
the geographic names used today are well documented at least in their native
languages and can be identified by their coordinates which do not change.
Avigdor Ben-Dov
Jerusalem

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Interpreting Russian Orthodox verses Hebrew date in Archive Record. #lithuania

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

Dear Group,

There are 2 dates on a Keidan archive records for a
birth. The Russian Orthodox date is 10/27/1914, but
the Hebrew date is 20 Heshvan 5675 which is actually
11/09/1914. I was told that the Russian Orthodox dates
during this time could be 13 days behind our current
Julian Calendar.

Is this correct? The Julian date is 13 days off in
this record.

Sincerely,
Yehudah BenShlomo

Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks transliteration of place names #yizkorbooks

Avigdor&Laia <lbendov@...>
 

Wouldn't it be convenient and much more efficient if everyone had a common
database for transliteration of place names >from Hebrew (or Yiddish) to
English >from the Yizkorbooks? It seems to me that I reinvent the wheel every
time I use JewGen shtetlfinder to locate a particular name and if it is the
right one in the right place (since so many seem to be the same name!). JGSF
should have a Hebrew transliteration as found in the Yizkorbooks (even with
multiple spellings). Ada Holzman had a wonderful list of place names with
the Hebrew also given, but it was not complete and I lost the link to it as
well. If someone knows of a such a Hebrew-English place-name list, I would
be pleased to hear of it.
Nevertheless, I would like to propose that those Hebrew readers among us
pool our skills and resources and make a combined list by country or region
for the Yizkorbook translations put on line. Surname lists are tricky, but
the geographic names used today are well documented at least in their native
languages and can be identified by their coordinates which do not change.
Avigdor Ben-Dov
Jerusalem

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

Introduction: BRUELL, LOEWY, and more #austria-czech

Claire Bruell
 

I have been a SIG member for some years although I have never
previously introduced myself.

My family came >from Moravia and my parents came to New Zealand as
refugees via London in 1939.

My family come >from Brno and Olomouc and many smaller towns:

BRIESS >from Olomouc (Olmuetz), Prerov (Prerau) and Vienna
BERGER and WOLF >from Val. Mezirici (Wallachisch Meseritsch)
LOEWY and Quittner >from Uhersky Brod
LOEWY >from Breclav (Luntenburg) and Brno (Bruenn)
WOLF >from Holesov (Holleschau)
BRUELL >from Jevichko (Gewitsch)
HOFMANN >from Lomnice (Lomnitz)
BRUELL >from Znojmo (Znaim)
ROSENBLUM >from Vienna
SCHIMMERLING >from Vienna, Dolni Kaunice (Kanitz bei Bruenn) and Holic
(Holitsch)
BRUECKNER and BRUECK >from Dolni Kaunice (Kanitz bei Bruenn)
SOMMER >from Uh.Ostroh
DREXLER >from Brno

I have been researching my family history for almost 20 years but
find that there is always more information appearing. It is a matter
of knowing where to look. The Internet and Austriaczech previously
BohMor SIG have expanded the horizons of the possible exponentially.
10 years ago few could have imagined the impact the Internet would
have.

Above all I value the contacts I have made and the help I have
received via the SIG.

Claire Bruell
Auckland
New Zealand.

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Introduction: BRUELL, LOEWY, and more #austria-czech

Claire Bruell
 

I have been a SIG member for some years although I have never
previously introduced myself.

My family came >from Moravia and my parents came to New Zealand as
refugees via London in 1939.

My family come >from Brno and Olomouc and many smaller towns:

BRIESS >from Olomouc (Olmuetz), Prerov (Prerau) and Vienna
BERGER and WOLF >from Val. Mezirici (Wallachisch Meseritsch)
LOEWY and Quittner >from Uhersky Brod
LOEWY >from Breclav (Luntenburg) and Brno (Bruenn)
WOLF >from Holesov (Holleschau)
BRUELL >from Jevichko (Gewitsch)
HOFMANN >from Lomnice (Lomnitz)
BRUELL >from Znojmo (Znaim)
ROSENBLUM >from Vienna
SCHIMMERLING >from Vienna, Dolni Kaunice (Kanitz bei Bruenn) and Holic
(Holitsch)
BRUECKNER and BRUECK >from Dolni Kaunice (Kanitz bei Bruenn)
SOMMER >from Uh.Ostroh
DREXLER >from Brno

I have been researching my family history for almost 20 years but
find that there is always more information appearing. It is a matter
of knowing where to look. The Internet and Austriaczech previously
BohMor SIG have expanded the horizons of the possible exponentially.
10 years ago few could have imagined the impact the Internet would
have.

Above all I value the contacts I have made and the help I have
received via the SIG.

Claire Bruell
Auckland
New Zealand.

Seeking Blood Relatives of Aaron FELDMAN #austria-czech

Danielle James <daniandw@...>
 

Dear Members,

In the last few days an article has appeared in our local Adelaide,
South Australian, newspaper The Advertiser trying to locate blood
relatives of an Aaron FELDMAN who died in May 1990 leaving behind an
estate worth $A2. (currently now worth $A3.2m). He failed to leave a will
and whilst distant relatives of his wife came forward to claim it, they were
refused on the grounds that they were not blood relatives. The estate
is now in the hands of the Public Trustees who are seeking his heirs.
If not claimed the money will go into the coffers of the State
Government.

Investigators have managed to get a vague sketch of his origins. They
believe he was born in Austria in 1903. I was wondering if this
information might be of value to some member/s of this group. He seems
to have been a rather difficult person - he was barred >from the casino,
had several brushes with the courts and at one stage blocked public access
to a laneway near his shops. This information is given in no way to besmirch
his character, but perhaps might "ring a bell" with someone. It is possible
that he also changed his name before leaving Austria

Kind wishes to all

Danielle James
Adelaide, South Australia

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Seeking Blood Relatives of Aaron FELDMAN #austria-czech

Danielle James <daniandw@...>
 

Dear Members,

In the last few days an article has appeared in our local Adelaide,
South Australian, newspaper The Advertiser trying to locate blood
relatives of an Aaron FELDMAN who died in May 1990 leaving behind an
estate worth $A2. (currently now worth $A3.2m). He failed to leave a will
and whilst distant relatives of his wife came forward to claim it, they were
refused on the grounds that they were not blood relatives. The estate
is now in the hands of the Public Trustees who are seeking his heirs.
If not claimed the money will go into the coffers of the State
Government.

Investigators have managed to get a vague sketch of his origins. They
believe he was born in Austria in 1903. I was wondering if this
information might be of value to some member/s of this group. He seems
to have been a rather difficult person - he was barred >from the casino,
had several brushes with the courts and at one stage blocked public access
to a laneway near his shops. This information is given in no way to besmirch
his character, but perhaps might "ring a bell" with someone. It is possible
that he also changed his name before leaving Austria

Kind wishes to all

Danielle James
Adelaide, South Australia

Re: Maxmilian GRAB #austria-czech

m leonards <m_leonards@...>
 

Hanus Peter GRAB is searching for descendants of Maximilian GRAB and his
brothers Victor and Rudolf, all sons of Friedrich and Karoline/Katharina
JOCKEL.

According to his best information, in 1907 Maximilian was living at 38 East
21st Street in NYC, the address Rudolf gave when he arrived at Ellis Island.

But are they the right Max and Rudolf GRAB?

I did a search on the www.familysearch.org International Genealogical Index
for all Maximilian GRAB entries in the United States, and found two
marriages:

On 5 Dec 1895, Maximilian GRAB, born in Austria, the son of Frederich and
Katherine JAKE, married Helen McCoy in **Grand Rapids, Kent County,
Michigan**.

On 29 April 1906, Maximilian GRAB, born in Wuerttemberg, son of Gebhard and
Attilia MOOSBRUGGER, married Anna VOLKI in Manhattan, New York County, New
York.

So, I wonder whether Hanus should be looking for his GRAB family in
Michigan, rather than New York City. It looks like the NYC Maximilian may
have been someone else.

It's not clear whether Hanus has researched the brothers in US census
records. Perhaps he can try a trial membership on one of the commercial
sites (and remember to cancel in time).

Good luck!
Monica Leonards
suburban Philadelphia

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Maxmilian GRAB #austria-czech

m leonards <m_leonards@...>
 

Hanus Peter GRAB is searching for descendants of Maximilian GRAB and his
brothers Victor and Rudolf, all sons of Friedrich and Karoline/Katharina
JOCKEL.

According to his best information, in 1907 Maximilian was living at 38 East
21st Street in NYC, the address Rudolf gave when he arrived at Ellis Island.

But are they the right Max and Rudolf GRAB?

I did a search on the www.familysearch.org International Genealogical Index
for all Maximilian GRAB entries in the United States, and found two
marriages:

On 5 Dec 1895, Maximilian GRAB, born in Austria, the son of Frederich and
Katherine JAKE, married Helen McCoy in **Grand Rapids, Kent County,
Michigan**.

On 29 April 1906, Maximilian GRAB, born in Wuerttemberg, son of Gebhard and
Attilia MOOSBRUGGER, married Anna VOLKI in Manhattan, New York County, New
York.

So, I wonder whether Hanus should be looking for his GRAB family in
Michigan, rather than New York City. It looks like the NYC Maximilian may
have been someone else.

It's not clear whether Hanus has researched the brothers in US census
records. Perhaps he can try a trial membership on one of the commercial
sites (and remember to cancel in time).

Good luck!
Monica Leonards
suburban Philadelphia

Moshe LEHRNBLATT, Dayan on R' Y.E. Spektor's Beth Din #rabbinic

E Print <email@...>
 

I am writing to RavSIG because I have a mystery. My ancestor was a
man named Moshe ben Rephoel LEHRNBLATT. He was born ca. 1813 in
Rossien in Kovno Province in Lithuania.

According to Levi Ovchinsky in his Magnum Opus "The History of the
Jews of Kourland 1474-1907," Rav Moshe was Rabbi of Sassmacken in
Kourland for 52 years til his death in 1887, and he corresponded
with Rav Yitzhak Elchanan Spektor. Moshe also wrote a Haskuma to the
sefer "Madrich HaTalmud" (I have seen the sefer, it has numerous
pages of Haskomot >from various people and various places but no
Moshe ben Rephoel)

According to Ovchinsky and Markowitz (Maarechet Rossien) Moshe's
brothers were:

1) Nochum GIMMELSHEIN a rabbi in St. Petersburg Russia,

2) Fevel HIMMELSHEIN a rabbi and businessman in Memel in Germany,

3) David MARGOLIUS a boki in Hilchos Mamonos and

4) according to family tradition, Yitzhak MARGOLIUS.

Moshe's sons-in-law were:

1) Gavriel ben Yaakov ELION Rabbi of Rujene in Livland. His family
had been Rabbis in Kharzai for generations and had emigrated from
Amsterdam in the mid 17th Century to be close to The Gaon of Vilna.
A source claims that an aunt was the second wife of the Gaon. I am
not sure if they are Cohenim but if ELIONs of Lithuania are, they
would be rlated to the ELIONs of Amsterdam.

2) Yekusiel ben Yaakov EPHRAIMSON Dayan and subesquent rav in Bausk
and contemporary of Avraham Yitzhak Kook who was rav there until he
made aliyah to Yaffo in 1905.

Sefer "Tal ve Raya" on the life of Rav Kook claims they had a very
good relationship. They used to send presents to each other on Purim
and quote epitaths >from Tractate Megillah. Yekusiel was a close
student of Yisrael Salanter.

A source also wrote to me that Yekusiel's daughter married the
brother of AY Kook's second wife.(Rav Kook married two cousins, the
first a daughter of the Aderet the second her cousin)

3) Avraham Shmuel ben Naftoli DUBITSKY. Rav in Sassmacken after 1887
and then in Goldigen and Freidland and thence to Montreal where he
died in 1943.

He was the Head of the Vaad HaRobonim of Montreal til 1941. He was
buried on Mont Royal.

A student told this writer in 1990, that DUBITSKY had the appearance
of Rabbi Elimelch Bloch, Rosh Yeshiva of Telz.

4) Joseph MARGOLIUS, the son of Moshe's brother Yitzhak. This
fellow was Moshe LEHRNBLATT's nephew, the son of his brother Yitzhok
MARGOLIUS, who married his daughter. Aside >from rumours of being a
rabbi in Heidelberg Germany for a short while in 1881-82, I have no
evidence of his greatness aside >from the fact that his 90 year old
grand son told us in 1990 that Joseph taught him Shneim Oksin, the
first chapter of Tractate Baba Metzia back in 1912.

Moshe married a certain Tzerna bat Meshulem Zalman. Markowitz in
his Maarechet Rossien mentions that Meshulem Zalman taught Talmud
in the great Beth Hamidrash in Rossien until his death in 1837.
Meshulem Zalman displayed prowess in teaching Talmud. He was
considered highly and he was held in very high esteem for his
knowledge and ability to teach.

Meshulem Zalman had a son as stated in Maarechet Rossien as well as
in Ovchinsky's sefer, named Aaron who served on a number of Dayonot
until he became a dayan on Rav Yitzhok Elchonon Spektor's Beth din
in Kovno. Aaron did Shimush (learnt Dayanut) in Rossien under Rabbi
Moshe Zeitlin and was a Dayan in Tukkum

Lipshitz in his memorial Book on the life of Rav Yizhak Elchanan
states in a footnote in the chapter concerning the Etrogie Korfu
controversy in 1875, that Aaron ben Meshulem Zalman signed the psak
(decree) as Dayan. It should be noted, however, that both Markowitz
and Ovchinsky state that R' Aaron died in or about 1874 in Kovno
(presumably).

My question is what was Aaron ben Meshulem Zalman's surname? I have
several theories based upon his grandfather's name Aryeh.

1) Yitzhak Wolf Olschwanger, Rav of St. Petersburg, had a wife,
Hinda bat Aryeh. My family has a tradition of a connection to
Ollswong. Olschwangers trace their lineage back to the
Katzenellenbogen family and the Levush. David Eisfelder send Anna
Ollswanger a family tree in 1983 in which he indicated a hunch that
if the Almogs (Judges in Haifa) are descendents of Olschwanger then
Olschwanger could be >from the Katzenellenbogen family. "The Unbroken
Chain " published the thesis as a fact.

2) Yisrael Salanter's father was Zev Wolf ben Aryeh (According to
Tnuat Hamussar, even though The Jewish Encyclopedia Funkanwagnell
1907 edition gives a different lineage). Is it a possibility that
theses two sons of Aryeh were brothers?

3) A cousin has suggested that Aaron's surname was Rosenberg. This
would be very interesting as well, as the late Rosh Yeshiva of
Slobotka Yeshiva in Bnei Braq was a certain R' Boruch Rosenberg.

To cut a long story short this whole family is a mystery to me, can
anyone else out there help me answer any of my implied questions
aside >from who was Rabbi Aaron ben Meshulem Zalman?

Chaim Balaclava
email@...

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Moshe LEHRNBLATT, Dayan on R' Y.E. Spektor's Beth Din #rabbinic

E Print <email@...>
 

I am writing to RavSIG because I have a mystery. My ancestor was a
man named Moshe ben Rephoel LEHRNBLATT. He was born ca. 1813 in
Rossien in Kovno Province in Lithuania.

According to Levi Ovchinsky in his Magnum Opus "The History of the
Jews of Kourland 1474-1907," Rav Moshe was Rabbi of Sassmacken in
Kourland for 52 years til his death in 1887, and he corresponded
with Rav Yitzhak Elchanan Spektor. Moshe also wrote a Haskuma to the
sefer "Madrich HaTalmud" (I have seen the sefer, it has numerous
pages of Haskomot >from various people and various places but no
Moshe ben Rephoel)

According to Ovchinsky and Markowitz (Maarechet Rossien) Moshe's
brothers were:

1) Nochum GIMMELSHEIN a rabbi in St. Petersburg Russia,

2) Fevel HIMMELSHEIN a rabbi and businessman in Memel in Germany,

3) David MARGOLIUS a boki in Hilchos Mamonos and

4) according to family tradition, Yitzhak MARGOLIUS.

Moshe's sons-in-law were:

1) Gavriel ben Yaakov ELION Rabbi of Rujene in Livland. His family
had been Rabbis in Kharzai for generations and had emigrated from
Amsterdam in the mid 17th Century to be close to The Gaon of Vilna.
A source claims that an aunt was the second wife of the Gaon. I am
not sure if they are Cohenim but if ELIONs of Lithuania are, they
would be rlated to the ELIONs of Amsterdam.

2) Yekusiel ben Yaakov EPHRAIMSON Dayan and subesquent rav in Bausk
and contemporary of Avraham Yitzhak Kook who was rav there until he
made aliyah to Yaffo in 1905.

Sefer "Tal ve Raya" on the life of Rav Kook claims they had a very
good relationship. They used to send presents to each other on Purim
and quote epitaths >from Tractate Megillah. Yekusiel was a close
student of Yisrael Salanter.

A source also wrote to me that Yekusiel's daughter married the
brother of AY Kook's second wife.(Rav Kook married two cousins, the
first a daughter of the Aderet the second her cousin)

3) Avraham Shmuel ben Naftoli DUBITSKY. Rav in Sassmacken after 1887
and then in Goldigen and Freidland and thence to Montreal where he
died in 1943.

He was the Head of the Vaad HaRobonim of Montreal til 1941. He was
buried on Mont Royal.

A student told this writer in 1990, that DUBITSKY had the appearance
of Rabbi Elimelch Bloch, Rosh Yeshiva of Telz.

4) Joseph MARGOLIUS, the son of Moshe's brother Yitzhak. This
fellow was Moshe LEHRNBLATT's nephew, the son of his brother Yitzhok
MARGOLIUS, who married his daughter. Aside >from rumours of being a
rabbi in Heidelberg Germany for a short while in 1881-82, I have no
evidence of his greatness aside >from the fact that his 90 year old
grand son told us in 1990 that Joseph taught him Shneim Oksin, the
first chapter of Tractate Baba Metzia back in 1912.

Moshe married a certain Tzerna bat Meshulem Zalman. Markowitz in
his Maarechet Rossien mentions that Meshulem Zalman taught Talmud
in the great Beth Hamidrash in Rossien until his death in 1837.
Meshulem Zalman displayed prowess in teaching Talmud. He was
considered highly and he was held in very high esteem for his
knowledge and ability to teach.

Meshulem Zalman had a son as stated in Maarechet Rossien as well as
in Ovchinsky's sefer, named Aaron who served on a number of Dayonot
until he became a dayan on Rav Yitzhok Elchonon Spektor's Beth din
in Kovno. Aaron did Shimush (learnt Dayanut) in Rossien under Rabbi
Moshe Zeitlin and was a Dayan in Tukkum

Lipshitz in his memorial Book on the life of Rav Yizhak Elchanan
states in a footnote in the chapter concerning the Etrogie Korfu
controversy in 1875, that Aaron ben Meshulem Zalman signed the psak
(decree) as Dayan. It should be noted, however, that both Markowitz
and Ovchinsky state that R' Aaron died in or about 1874 in Kovno
(presumably).

My question is what was Aaron ben Meshulem Zalman's surname? I have
several theories based upon his grandfather's name Aryeh.

1) Yitzhak Wolf Olschwanger, Rav of St. Petersburg, had a wife,
Hinda bat Aryeh. My family has a tradition of a connection to
Ollswong. Olschwangers trace their lineage back to the
Katzenellenbogen family and the Levush. David Eisfelder send Anna
Ollswanger a family tree in 1983 in which he indicated a hunch that
if the Almogs (Judges in Haifa) are descendents of Olschwanger then
Olschwanger could be >from the Katzenellenbogen family. "The Unbroken
Chain " published the thesis as a fact.

2) Yisrael Salanter's father was Zev Wolf ben Aryeh (According to
Tnuat Hamussar, even though The Jewish Encyclopedia Funkanwagnell
1907 edition gives a different lineage). Is it a possibility that
theses two sons of Aryeh were brothers?

3) A cousin has suggested that Aaron's surname was Rosenberg. This
would be very interesting as well, as the late Rosh Yeshiva of
Slobotka Yeshiva in Bnei Braq was a certain R' Boruch Rosenberg.

To cut a long story short this whole family is a mystery to me, can
anyone else out there help me answer any of my implied questions
aside >from who was Rabbi Aaron ben Meshulem Zalman?

Chaim Balaclava
email@...

Re: STERN and PANET Families #rabbinic

Tomer Brunner
 

On 2005.08.01, Miriam Taylor <mtaylor@...> wrote:

[...] my grandfather [...] mentions that he is related to [...]
Rabbi Moshe PANET of Dej.
There is a book by Devora Gliksman - A Sun and a Shield: The
Chassidic Dynasty of Dej. It was published by Feldheim pub, 1996.

Best regards,
Tomer Brunner, Israel

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic RE: STERN and PANET Families #rabbinic

Tomer Brunner
 

On 2005.08.01, Miriam Taylor <mtaylor@...> wrote:

[...] my grandfather [...] mentions that he is related to [...]
Rabbi Moshe PANET of Dej.
There is a book by Devora Gliksman - A Sun and a Shield: The
Chassidic Dynasty of Dej. It was published by Feldheim pub, 1996.

Best regards,
Tomer Brunner, Israel

Re: Moroccan Rabbanim BIBAS #rabbinic

Mr L Reich <lreich@...>
 

On 2005.07.28, Silvia Mamán Bibas <silviamaman@...>
asked:

I am >from Argentina and I'm looking for descendants of the Rabbis
of Morocco surnamed BIBAS. My ancestors lived in Tetuan >from 1530
until 1967 [...]
There is a Hebrew work "Malchei Rabbonon" by R' Yosef ben Nayam
(Nai'im ?), published in Jerusalem in 1931 (my copy is a photoprint
edition in J'm in 1975). It is a biographical dictionary of Moroccan
rabbis.

The alphabetical order is that of forenames and there is no surname
index, but a quick turning of the pages shows many BIBAS rabbis
listed with some biographical and genealogical details.

A quick scan shows that these include:

1) R' Chaim of the 16th Century of Fez & Tetuan, said to be the
patriach/ancestor of numerous BIBAS rabbis including his son,

2) R' Yosef and

3) the latter's son R' Chaim No. 2.

This last has five named sons listed.

Besides the above, there are entries for a R' Yakov (18th Cent in
Sali) and a R' Eliyohu (19th- Tetuan) and R' Refoel (19th - Sali)
and many more.

Leslie Reich

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Moroccan Rabbanim BIBAS #rabbinic

Mr L Reich <lreich@...>
 

On 2005.07.28, Silvia Mamán Bibas <silviamaman@...>
asked:

I am >from Argentina and I'm looking for descendants of the Rabbis
of Morocco surnamed BIBAS. My ancestors lived in Tetuan >from 1530
until 1967 [...]
There is a Hebrew work "Malchei Rabbonon" by R' Yosef ben Nayam
(Nai'im ?), published in Jerusalem in 1931 (my copy is a photoprint
edition in J'm in 1975). It is a biographical dictionary of Moroccan
rabbis.

The alphabetical order is that of forenames and there is no surname
index, but a quick turning of the pages shows many BIBAS rabbis
listed with some biographical and genealogical details.

A quick scan shows that these include:

1) R' Chaim of the 16th Century of Fez & Tetuan, said to be the
patriach/ancestor of numerous BIBAS rabbis including his son,

2) R' Yosef and

3) the latter's son R' Chaim No. 2.

This last has five named sons listed.

Besides the above, there are entries for a R' Yakov (18th Cent in
Sali) and a R' Eliyohu (19th- Tetuan) and R' Refoel (19th - Sali)
and many more.

Leslie Reich

Jewish newspapers Yorkshire #unitedkingdom

momat@...
 

Searching HULL YORKSHIRE

Can anyone please inform me if there is any archived Jewish Newspapers for
HULL YORKSHIRE for 1900 -1960s

Maureen Mathie
New Zealand.

JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Jewish newspapers Yorkshire #unitedkingdom

momat@...
 

Searching HULL YORKSHIRE

Can anyone please inform me if there is any archived Jewish Newspapers for
HULL YORKSHIRE for 1900 -1960s

Maureen Mathie
New Zealand.

R' Wunder's Family Trees #rabbinic

roe kard
 

I copied two rabbinic trees that relate to my family >from Meir
Wunder's book on Galician rabbis and in studying them now, without
the book's introduction to look at, am wondering about sons who did
not become rabbis. If, for example, a son became anything other than
a rabbi, a businessman for example, would he still be listed on
these family charts or does he get left out? Are the daughters all
included in the text because they marry into another rabbinic family
or could there be more daughters than get mentioned? Is there no
consistency and it just depends on the information that was
available to Wunder in his research? Is he totally, absolutely all
inclusive and the final word or are there other sources?

Thank you. B'shalom,
Karen Rosenfeld Roekard
Berkeley, Ca.

Researching: ROSENFELD, ROEKARD/ROKACH/ROKART/ROKEACH, TOPFER/TEPPER,
SPRITZER, KURZER, HAUSER, KOCH in Rawa Ruska, Belz, Magirov, Niemerow,
Potylitz, and towns in Eastern Galicia near these.

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic R' Wunder's Family Trees #rabbinic

roe kard
 

I copied two rabbinic trees that relate to my family >from Meir
Wunder's book on Galician rabbis and in studying them now, without
the book's introduction to look at, am wondering about sons who did
not become rabbis. If, for example, a son became anything other than
a rabbi, a businessman for example, would he still be listed on
these family charts or does he get left out? Are the daughters all
included in the text because they marry into another rabbinic family
or could there be more daughters than get mentioned? Is there no
consistency and it just depends on the information that was
available to Wunder in his research? Is he totally, absolutely all
inclusive and the final word or are there other sources?

Thank you. B'shalom,
Karen Rosenfeld Roekard
Berkeley, Ca.

Researching: ROSENFELD, ROEKARD/ROKACH/ROKART/ROKEACH, TOPFER/TEPPER,
SPRITZER, KURZER, HAUSER, KOCH in Rawa Ruska, Belz, Magirov, Niemerow,
Potylitz, and towns in Eastern Galicia near these.