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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rabbi Abraham ANDRADE #general

Nick <tulse04-news1@...>
 

"Micheline Gutmann" <asso@...> wrote

Abraham ANDRADE was a rabbi of Bayonne and the representant of the
Department Landes at the Great Sanhedrin of Napoleon.
Then Chief Rabbi of Bordeaux, married in 1784 Abigail d'AGUILAR.
The family came probably >from Cadix.
I note that Micheline has produced an article which lists all the members of
the Grand Sanhedrin.

http://www.genami.org/Personnages-celebres/fr_membres-gd-sanhedrin.php

It is naturally in French.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)

MODERATOR NOTE: The English language version of this page can be found at
http://www.genami.org/Personnages-celebres/en_membres-gd-sanhedrin.php


Re: Rabbi Abraham ANDRADE #general

Nick <tulse04-news1@...>
 

"Micheline Gutmann" <asso@...> wrote

Abraham ANDRADE was a rabbi of Bayonne and the representant of the
Department Landes at the Great Sanhedrin of Napoleon.
Then Chief Rabbi of Bordeaux, married in 1784 Abigail d'AGUILAR.
The family came probably >from Cadix.
I note that Micheline has produced an article which lists all the members of
the Grand Sanhedrin.

http://www.genami.org/Personnages-celebres/fr_membres-gd-sanhedrin.php

It is naturally in French.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)

MODERATOR NOTE: The English language version of this page can be found at
http://www.genami.org/Personnages-celebres/en_membres-gd-sanhedrin.php


ABELES and WEIL from Petschau / Becov #austria-czech

David Kleeman <dskleeman@...>
 

I have been following the AustriaCzech SIG for some
time now, but haven't yet introduced myself.
My name is David Kleeman, and I consider myself
intermediate in genealogy. I have good computer skills
and can read Dutch and German (no Czech,
unfortunately).

I have one ancestor that came >from Bohemia to the US
in 1846: Seligman ABELES.
He was born in Petschau (Becov nad Teplou) in 1812 of
Simon ABELES and Ludmilla WEIL and had a number of
siblings, one of whom, Bernard, emigrated one year
earlier and also went to Philadelphia. Seligman was
married to Fanny [maiden name unknown, possibly KOHN].
I found on the internet that some other ABELES from
Petschau also emigrated to the US (e.g. to Missouri),
but I don't know whether they were related.
If anyone has ABELES or WEIL ancestors >from Petschau,
I would be pleased to know about them.

David Kleeman, Amsterdam, The Netherlands


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech ABELES and WEIL from Petschau / Becov #austria-czech

David Kleeman <dskleeman@...>
 

I have been following the AustriaCzech SIG for some
time now, but haven't yet introduced myself.
My name is David Kleeman, and I consider myself
intermediate in genealogy. I have good computer skills
and can read Dutch and German (no Czech,
unfortunately).

I have one ancestor that came >from Bohemia to the US
in 1846: Seligman ABELES.
He was born in Petschau (Becov nad Teplou) in 1812 of
Simon ABELES and Ludmilla WEIL and had a number of
siblings, one of whom, Bernard, emigrated one year
earlier and also went to Philadelphia. Seligman was
married to Fanny [maiden name unknown, possibly KOHN].
I found on the internet that some other ABELES from
Petschau also emigrated to the US (e.g. to Missouri),
but I don't know whether they were related.
If anyone has ABELES or WEIL ancestors >from Petschau,
I would be pleased to know about them.

David Kleeman, Amsterdam, The Netherlands


JRI Poland #Poland Lodz Area Research Group (LARG) at the Conference #poland

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

Dear Lodz Area Researchers,

If you are planning to attend the Lodz Area
Research Group (LARG) meeting at the IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
please click here for more information:

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/signup.htm

Let us know you plan to attend and list the names
and towns within LARG that you are researching.
Possibly other attendees are researching the same
surnames. List your spouse ONLY if he/she is also
researchng this area and/or plans to attend this
meeting. A list of the towns within LARG can be
found here:

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARGtown.htm


We will discuss a new database that has just been
completed and will be on-line soon. Another new
project will also be discussed.

The LARG meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, July
17, 8:15-9:30 AM.

Those of you also researching Belchatow, that
Birds-of-a-Feather meeting will be held Thursday,
July 19, 8:15-9:30 AM

You can let me know if you have planned other
meetings that involve towns within LARG. I am
happy to list them on the sign-up sheet.

The attendance sheet helps me determine how many
handouts are needed. There will be no LARG escorts
knocking on your doors at the crack of dawn,
dragging you to the meetings <G>.

To learn more about LARG, see the ShtetLink site
at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm

Belchatow also has a ShtetLink at:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Belchatow/

Hope to see you there.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
LARG Coordinator


Lodz Area Research Group (LARG) at the Conference #poland

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

Dear Lodz Area Researchers,

If you are planning to attend the Lodz Area
Research Group (LARG) meeting at the IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
please click here for more information:

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/signup.htm

Let us know you plan to attend and list the names
and towns within LARG that you are researching.
Possibly other attendees are researching the same
surnames. List your spouse ONLY if he/she is also
researchng this area and/or plans to attend this
meeting. A list of the towns within LARG can be
found here:

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARGtown.htm


We will discuss a new database that has just been
completed and will be on-line soon. Another new
project will also be discussed.

The LARG meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, July
17, 8:15-9:30 AM.

Those of you also researching Belchatow, that
Birds-of-a-Feather meeting will be held Thursday,
July 19, 8:15-9:30 AM

You can let me know if you have planned other
meetings that involve towns within LARG. I am
happy to list them on the sign-up sheet.

The attendance sheet helps me determine how many
handouts are needed. There will be no LARG escorts
knocking on your doors at the crack of dawn,
dragging you to the meetings <G>.

To learn more about LARG, see the ShtetLink site
at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm

Belchatow also has a ShtetLink at:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Belchatow/

Hope to see you there.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
LARG Coordinator


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania From Kalvariya #lithuania

Edna Hoover
 

Perhaps someone can help us locate information on the Ha-Levi
Shushin/Shushan/ Shoshan/Shoshen/Shushen/Suchin branch of our family which
appeared in Safed, Palestine in the early 1800's. They are listed in David
Tidhar, Entsiklopedia le-Halutsei ha-Yishuv u-Bonav (Encyclopedia of
Pioneers), Hebrew (1947), p.154-155, p. 121.

We have a family photo which shows Hannah, wife of Shmuel Rohald and mother
of our great-grandmother Hayy' Gittel. The same family album contains a
printed wedding invitation dated Sept 10, 1897, which refers to Hannah
Rohald as the mother of Hayy' Gittel. She is listed in Tidhar as the
daughter of R' Shlomoh Ha-Levi "Shushan" me- Kalavaria. This R' Shlomoh
was also known as Ha-Rashbah Mehaber Bi'ur 'al Ha-Rambam. His father was
Hanokh Heinokh "Shushan" me-Kalavaria. She would have been born before 1860
and appears to have resided in Zichron Moshe, Jerusalem in 1916.

I haven't really been able to verify the family name. I'm assuming that it
just refers to the place of origin and that they were known as Ha-Levi in
Lithuania. This makes it very difficult to locate any records.

Edna Hoover
Brooklyn NY
JGFF Researcher # 66736
ednahoover@...
______________________________________________________________

Subject: Kalvariya
From: Shulamit <singingsandy2004@...>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:15:52 -0700 (PDT)

Is anyone going to research or translate documents >from Kalvariya? So many
of us are stuck trying to locate our families back in the "old country."

Maybe all of us researching Kalvariya could chip in on a research project to
try to find records of our
families?

Any suggestions anyone?

Sandra Levy (Jerusalem)


From Kalvariya #lithuania

Edna Hoover
 

Perhaps someone can help us locate information on the Ha-Levi
Shushin/Shushan/ Shoshan/Shoshen/Shushen/Suchin branch of our family which
appeared in Safed, Palestine in the early 1800's. They are listed in David
Tidhar, Entsiklopedia le-Halutsei ha-Yishuv u-Bonav (Encyclopedia of
Pioneers), Hebrew (1947), p.154-155, p. 121.

We have a family photo which shows Hannah, wife of Shmuel Rohald and mother
of our great-grandmother Hayy' Gittel. The same family album contains a
printed wedding invitation dated Sept 10, 1897, which refers to Hannah
Rohald as the mother of Hayy' Gittel. She is listed in Tidhar as the
daughter of R' Shlomoh Ha-Levi "Shushan" me- Kalavaria. This R' Shlomoh
was also known as Ha-Rashbah Mehaber Bi'ur 'al Ha-Rambam. His father was
Hanokh Heinokh "Shushan" me-Kalavaria. She would have been born before 1860
and appears to have resided in Zichron Moshe, Jerusalem in 1916.

I haven't really been able to verify the family name. I'm assuming that it
just refers to the place of origin and that they were known as Ha-Levi in
Lithuania. This makes it very difficult to locate any records.

Edna Hoover
Brooklyn NY
JGFF Researcher # 66736
ednahoover@...
______________________________________________________________

Subject: Kalvariya
From: Shulamit <singingsandy2004@...>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:15:52 -0700 (PDT)

Is anyone going to research or translate documents >from Kalvariya? So many
of us are stuck trying to locate our families back in the "old country."

Maybe all of us researching Kalvariya could chip in on a research project to
try to find records of our
families?

Any suggestions anyone?

Sandra Levy (Jerusalem)


Stephen Morse Talk in London #unitedkingdom

Louise Messik <louise@...>
 

Dear Members

JGS Great Britain have a few tickets left for the talk that Stephen Morse is
giving on Sunday 1st July. This will be held at the Spiro Ark in London W1
at 2:15 pm.

Steve is the creator of the "One Step Website for Genealogical Research" and
he is an international renowned and award winning contributor to Jewish
Genealogy. We are delighted that he has agreed to come and speak to us about
his research methods and it should be a fascinating afternoon with much for
all of us to learn.

Tickets for those who are not members of JGSGB are priced at £5.00. The
booking form is available >from www.jgsgb.org.uk.

Louise Messik
Chairman JGSGB


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Stephen Morse Talk in London #unitedkingdom

Louise Messik <louise@...>
 

Dear Members

JGS Great Britain have a few tickets left for the talk that Stephen Morse is
giving on Sunday 1st July. This will be held at the Spiro Ark in London W1
at 2:15 pm.

Steve is the creator of the "One Step Website for Genealogical Research" and
he is an international renowned and award winning contributor to Jewish
Genealogy. We are delighted that he has agreed to come and speak to us about
his research methods and it should be a fascinating afternoon with much for
all of us to learn.

Tickets for those who are not members of JGSGB are priced at £5.00. The
booking form is available >from www.jgsgb.org.uk.

Louise Messik
Chairman JGSGB


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica RE: Miller #southafrica

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

In some newly translated records, I found an interesting death which
occurred on November 9, 1924, in Panevezys, Lithuania.

Izraelis Miller, whose parents were Slioma and Basa Miller, died of
pleurisy. He had been born in 1884 and had left Lithuania for South Africa
as he is listed as resident there on his death record.

He apparently had returned >from South Africa and died unexpectedly in
Panevezys at the age of 40.

It makes one wonder why he had returned . . . perhaps to see his family,
bring back a wife, conduct some business, or any number of reasons. A sad
ending in any event.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Re: Miller #southafrica

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

In some newly translated records, I found an interesting death which
occurred on November 9, 1924, in Panevezys, Lithuania.

Izraelis Miller, whose parents were Slioma and Basa Miller, died of
pleurisy. He had been born in 1884 and had left Lithuania for South Africa
as he is listed as resident there on his death record.

He apparently had returned >from South Africa and died unexpectedly in
Panevezys at the age of 40.

It makes one wonder why he had returned . . . perhaps to see his family,
bring back a wife, conduct some business, or any number of reasons. A sad
ending in any event.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Isadore Stessel #ukraine

Jerry Greenberg <jagtrader@...>
 

I have recently been made aware of Isadore Stessel, who was killed in WWII
on Blimp K-74 while attacking a German submarine off the coast of Florida.
July 19, 1943. He was a second cousin to my mother's first cousin, Reggie
Starr of Petersburg, Va. I am trying to find the Stessel family, Samuel,
Rose, Dorothy who had lived in Brooklyn, New York in the 1920's and 1930's.

Thanks,

Jerry Greenberg
jagtrader@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please put surnames in capital letters so that they can be
seen at a glance. Thanks.


Isadore Stessel #ukraine

Jerry Greenberg <jagtrader@...>
 

I have recently been made aware of Isadore Stessel, who was killed in WWII
on Blimp K-74 while attacking a German submarine off the coast of Florida.
July 19, 1943. He was a second cousin to my mother's first cousin, Reggie
Starr of Petersburg, Va. I am trying to find the Stessel family, Samuel,
Rose, Dorothy who had lived in Brooklyn, New York in the 1920's and 1930's.

Thanks,

Jerry Greenberg
jagtrader@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please put surnames in capital letters so that they can be
seen at a glance. Thanks.


Different Surnames, Same Family #dna

Carol Rombro Rider
 

Can someone help me compile a list of possible explanations as to
why you can match so many people on a 25 marker match and all have
different surnames?

Some possibilities I am familiar with. 1) In Europe, having a son
"adopted' by a family with all daughters to enable him to not be
taken into the Russian army. I understand that this child would
use a different surname than the one that he had at birth.

2) when a second marriage was not recognized by a civil authority,
although the couple had a Jewish marriage. I have this case in my
family, where some children were allowed to use a surname of the
father, and others were only allowed to use the surname of the
mother.

Any other possibilities?

Carol Rombro Rider
Baltimore, Maryland USA
CRomRider@...


DNA Research #DNA Different Surnames, Same Family #dna

Carol Rombro Rider
 

Can someone help me compile a list of possible explanations as to
why you can match so many people on a 25 marker match and all have
different surnames?

Some possibilities I am familiar with. 1) In Europe, having a son
"adopted' by a family with all daughters to enable him to not be
taken into the Russian army. I understand that this child would
use a different surname than the one that he had at birth.

2) when a second marriage was not recognized by a civil authority,
although the couple had a Jewish marriage. I have this case in my
family, where some children were allowed to use a surname of the
father, and others were only allowed to use the surname of the
mother.

Any other possibilities?

Carol Rombro Rider
Baltimore, Maryland USA
CRomRider@...


Re: Different Surnames, Same Family #dna

Carol Rombro Rider
 

To get a grip on how small the probabilities could be if this was a
random event, can you discuss how many different surnames and how
many people (males) were matched? Also, by a match do you mean all
25 YDNA markers tested by ftDNA?
Not a problem. On the 25 marker with an exact match there are 12
matches--two are similar surnames with different spellings so I
would assume this is one surname in reality.

There are 14 other matches with a genetic distance of 1, two with
the same name.

There are 16 other surnames with a genetic distance of 2.

So perhaps I need to ask if we are all related within a "reasonable
genealogy time period"--one that would take us back to the mid-to-
late 1700s -- and if so, where could all these surnames have come
from? Of course, since I am quite new at this, it is possible that
this takes place much further in the distance, before surnames were
taken by Ashkenazi Jews.

But there are several matches that are Sephardic and I am assuming
that these surnames are generally >from an "older" time period also.

Thanks in advance,

Carol Rombro Rider
Baltimore, Maryland USA


DNA Research #DNA Re: Different Surnames, Same Family #dna

Carol Rombro Rider
 

To get a grip on how small the probabilities could be if this was a
random event, can you discuss how many different surnames and how
many people (males) were matched? Also, by a match do you mean all
25 YDNA markers tested by ftDNA?
Not a problem. On the 25 marker with an exact match there are 12
matches--two are similar surnames with different spellings so I
would assume this is one surname in reality.

There are 14 other matches with a genetic distance of 1, two with
the same name.

There are 16 other surnames with a genetic distance of 2.

So perhaps I need to ask if we are all related within a "reasonable
genealogy time period"--one that would take us back to the mid-to-
late 1700s -- and if so, where could all these surnames have come
from? Of course, since I am quite new at this, it is possible that
this takes place much further in the distance, before surnames were
taken by Ashkenazi Jews.

But there are several matches that are Sephardic and I am assuming
that these surnames are generally >from an "older" time period also.

Thanks in advance,

Carol Rombro Rider
Baltimore, Maryland USA


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Moshe SOCHACZEWER [was: RAJEWSKI from Szydlowiec...] #rabbinic

David Colman <davidcolman@...>
 

Thanks to everybody who responded to my recent posting regarding
RAJEWSKI.

I currently have a lead on my 7g grandfather's father - I believe
it might be Moshe SOCHACZEWER, a Parnes and "Manhig" in the Poznan
district in the last half of the 17th century. He may (or may not)
be the same as Rav Moshe CHARIF, a Rav in Sochaczew; so says their
Yizkor Book.

Is anybody aware of where I might be able to locate genealogy info
on him?

David Colman
Toronto, Canada


Moshe SOCHACZEWER [was: RAJEWSKI from Szydlowiec...] #rabbinic

David Colman <davidcolman@...>
 

Thanks to everybody who responded to my recent posting regarding
RAJEWSKI.

I currently have a lead on my 7g grandfather's father - I believe
it might be Moshe SOCHACZEWER, a Parnes and "Manhig" in the Poznan
district in the last half of the 17th century. He may (or may not)
be the same as Rav Moshe CHARIF, a Rav in Sochaczew; so says their
Yizkor Book.

Is anybody aware of where I might be able to locate genealogy info
on him?

David Colman
Toronto, Canada