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re DNA testing #general

DIGITAL PIX (Anne BREST) <digitalphoto@...>
 

Hallo Jewish GENNERS

Some time back I asked about DNA testing and got a very nice explanatory
email >from one of the members who pointed me in the right direction. she
told me to google Jewish Genealogy by Genetics or go straight to the Family
Tree DNA. she also told me to ask for y-chromosome testing (my brother will
be the one doing the test - we want to see where our LAPEDUS family
originated. We don't accept that Lithuania was where they started off
from).

However, and I don't mean to sound like the village idiot here, but I got so
bamboozled with all the various sites and various testings and all the info,
that I am now stumped.

Can someone please just tell me (my email is digitalphoto@icon.co.za or
annebrest@icon.co.za ) step by step what to "click" on, and then I can order
the kit and pay for it. I couldnt find a phone number and to call >from
South Africa is costly, particularly when I am not sure which dept I have to
go through.

Sincerely
Anne Lapedus BREST (ex Dublin, Ireland) Sandton, South Africa
RESEARCHING - LAPEDUS and KAHN (Vieksniai, Lithuania). MARCUS and FELDMAN
(Ackmene, Lithuania), KLOPMAN/KLAPMAN,(Silmalas, Latvia). SHILLMAN, BENSON,
SEIDER (Krustpils, Latvia ], MIRRELSON (Kurshan, Courland, Latvia) , BREST
(Bauska, Latvia) , ORKIN (Zagere, Lithuania) CHAVIN and CHEIN (Zagare,Lithuania)
GILINSKY (Daugavpils/Dvinsk, Latvia) and GAYER/GAER (Opalin, near Chelm, Poland)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re DNA testing #general

DIGITAL PIX (Anne BREST) <digitalphoto@...>
 

Hallo Jewish GENNERS

Some time back I asked about DNA testing and got a very nice explanatory
email >from one of the members who pointed me in the right direction. she
told me to google Jewish Genealogy by Genetics or go straight to the Family
Tree DNA. she also told me to ask for y-chromosome testing (my brother will
be the one doing the test - we want to see where our LAPEDUS family
originated. We don't accept that Lithuania was where they started off
from).

However, and I don't mean to sound like the village idiot here, but I got so
bamboozled with all the various sites and various testings and all the info,
that I am now stumped.

Can someone please just tell me (my email is digitalphoto@icon.co.za or
annebrest@icon.co.za ) step by step what to "click" on, and then I can order
the kit and pay for it. I couldnt find a phone number and to call >from
South Africa is costly, particularly when I am not sure which dept I have to
go through.

Sincerely
Anne Lapedus BREST (ex Dublin, Ireland) Sandton, South Africa
RESEARCHING - LAPEDUS and KAHN (Vieksniai, Lithuania). MARCUS and FELDMAN
(Ackmene, Lithuania), KLOPMAN/KLAPMAN,(Silmalas, Latvia). SHILLMAN, BENSON,
SEIDER (Krustpils, Latvia ], MIRRELSON (Kurshan, Courland, Latvia) , BREST
(Bauska, Latvia) , ORKIN (Zagere, Lithuania) CHAVIN and CHEIN (Zagare,Lithuania)
GILINSKY (Daugavpils/Dvinsk, Latvia) and GAYER/GAER (Opalin, near Chelm, Poland)
Newbie Question - Societies? #general

Nancy Hauser <Nancy@...>
 

Hi all,

Could someone tell me about the meaning of the "Society" column in on-line burial
listings? Specifically, my question is about "T D Young Men", which is listed for
my husband's grandparents at Mt. Hebron in Flushing, Queens, NY.

Thanks,
Nancy Hauser
Nashua, NH
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Newbie Question - Societies? #general

Nancy Hauser <Nancy@...>
 

Hi all,

Could someone tell me about the meaning of the "Society" column in on-line burial
listings? Specifically, my question is about "T D Young Men", which is listed for
my husband's grandparents at Mt. Hebron in Flushing, Queens, NY.

Thanks,
Nancy Hauser
Nashua, NH
Re: brothers Volf and Benyamin (VITKIND) #general

Wegner, Peter
 

Tom Klein wrote:

Obviously, "the naming rules" only matter if our ancestors followed them,
otherwise they need to be changed to reflect reality, and not the other way
around

Dear Tom,

Based on experience gained largely in this discussion group, I think most
Jgenners have discovered that at least until the early 20th century, our
ancestors did indeed overwhelmingly follow certain naming customs , provided
those customs were prevalent in their particular community. Most of us are
researching ancestors >from the 19th century or earlier, so I'm betting we have
all found that back then local naming practices (which however differed as between
the more traditional Jews of Eastern Europe and the more assimilated Jews of
Western Europe) were almost always honored.

I have Polish-Jewish ancestry through my father and Anglo-Dutch-Jewish ancestry
through my mother; and it was only through genealogical research that I learned
that the East European Jewish pattern of avoidance of naming after living
ancestors was not routinely followed in the Anglo-Dutch Jewish community. There
was one important exception: they would never name a child after its father
unless the child's father had unfortunately died between his conception and his
birth -- in which thankfully rare case it was and remains the usual practice. I
first learned this when one of my contemporaries at Cambridge in the 1950s was a
student with the Hebrew name "Shimshon ben Shimshon."

Tom further said:

It's possible that the brothers were named
after two separate ancestors named "Zeev Vulf"
or similar (a common name in some
families, and even more so after Theodore Herzl),

The name Ze'ev was indeed common in earlier centuries; but I don't think Tom's
observation about the popularity of naming children "Binyamin Ze'ev" after
Theodor Herzl is applicable except maybe during the last 10 or 20 years (This
assumes that it has indeed become a current practice, as he implies). I do know
that it has lately become fashionable in certain circles in Israel to refer to
Theodor Herzl exclusively as "Binyamin Ze'ev Herzl" (to conform with certain
historical-revisionist assertions which need not be spelled out here). But I'm
pretty sure this was not the case with our pre-state-of-Israel ancestors.

As a child and teenager, I belonged to at least two Zionist Youth movements
during the 1940s (first the secular Habonim and then the orthodox Bnei Akiva),
both of which studied Zionist history in some detail. I can report with 100%
assurance that in neither movement did I *ever* hear Herzl alluded to by any other
first name but Theodor; and my guess is that his Hebrew name was never used during
his life except when required for such ceremonies as bar mitzvah or marriage or
on his gravestone -- and maybe an occasional aliyah to the Torah -- if he ever
showed up in shul!

Indeed, the revelation in recent years that his Hebrew name had been Binyamin
Ze'ev took me completely by surprise; on the one hand I had never heard this in
the youth movements, and on the other hand the name Theodor (or in English
spelling Theodore) means "gift of God" and is actually the Greek equivalent of
the biblical Hebrew name Netan'el (Nathaniel) -- which in no way reflects
Binyamin Ze'ev. However, I do consider Theodor Herzl to have been one of God's
greatest gifts to the Jewish people!

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu
Re: Richard Winer #lithuania

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
 

May I add my sadness in learning that Richard had passed away.
He was a dear man, always patient, though so often in pain.

He WILL be missed.

Sylvia Nusinov

----- Original Message -----

Subject: [litvaksig] Richard Winer

It is with great sadness that we have just learned that Richard Winer,
Coordinator of the LitvakSIG Ukmerge District Research Group, passed away
July 17th as a result of a fall and subsequent stroke.

Richard spent many happy years researching his family, helping Ukmerge
contributors, attending local genealogy meetings in Boston and the annual
IAJGS conferences and spending time with the many people he met through
his dedication to LitvakSIG.

We will all miss his ever cheerful disposition, his understanding and his
friendship. He was truly a gentle man.

Donations in his memory may be sent to the Jewish Historical Society of
the North Shore, 1 Community Road, Marblehead, MA 01945.

Carol Coplin Baker
Olga Zabludoff
Davida Noyek Handler

MODERATOR'S NOTE: May his memory be for a blessing.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: brothers Volf and Benyamin (VITKIND) #general

Wegner, Peter
 

Tom Klein wrote:

Obviously, "the naming rules" only matter if our ancestors followed them,
otherwise they need to be changed to reflect reality, and not the other way
around

Dear Tom,

Based on experience gained largely in this discussion group, I think most
Jgenners have discovered that at least until the early 20th century, our
ancestors did indeed overwhelmingly follow certain naming customs , provided
those customs were prevalent in their particular community. Most of us are
researching ancestors >from the 19th century or earlier, so I'm betting we have
all found that back then local naming practices (which however differed as between
the more traditional Jews of Eastern Europe and the more assimilated Jews of
Western Europe) were almost always honored.

I have Polish-Jewish ancestry through my father and Anglo-Dutch-Jewish ancestry
through my mother; and it was only through genealogical research that I learned
that the East European Jewish pattern of avoidance of naming after living
ancestors was not routinely followed in the Anglo-Dutch Jewish community. There
was one important exception: they would never name a child after its father
unless the child's father had unfortunately died between his conception and his
birth -- in which thankfully rare case it was and remains the usual practice. I
first learned this when one of my contemporaries at Cambridge in the 1950s was a
student with the Hebrew name "Shimshon ben Shimshon."

Tom further said:

It's possible that the brothers were named
after two separate ancestors named "Zeev Vulf"
or similar (a common name in some
families, and even more so after Theodore Herzl),

The name Ze'ev was indeed common in earlier centuries; but I don't think Tom's
observation about the popularity of naming children "Binyamin Ze'ev" after
Theodor Herzl is applicable except maybe during the last 10 or 20 years (This
assumes that it has indeed become a current practice, as he implies). I do know
that it has lately become fashionable in certain circles in Israel to refer to
Theodor Herzl exclusively as "Binyamin Ze'ev Herzl" (to conform with certain
historical-revisionist assertions which need not be spelled out here). But I'm
pretty sure this was not the case with our pre-state-of-Israel ancestors.

As a child and teenager, I belonged to at least two Zionist Youth movements
during the 1940s (first the secular Habonim and then the orthodox Bnei Akiva),
both of which studied Zionist history in some detail. I can report with 100%
assurance that in neither movement did I *ever* hear Herzl alluded to by any other
first name but Theodor; and my guess is that his Hebrew name was never used during
his life except when required for such ceremonies as bar mitzvah or marriage or
on his gravestone -- and maybe an occasional aliyah to the Torah -- if he ever
showed up in shul!

Indeed, the revelation in recent years that his Hebrew name had been Binyamin
Ze'ev took me completely by surprise; on the one hand I had never heard this in
the youth movements, and on the other hand the name Theodor (or in English
spelling Theodore) means "gift of God" and is actually the Greek equivalent of
the biblical Hebrew name Netan'el (Nathaniel) -- which in no way reflects
Binyamin Ze'ev. However, I do consider Theodor Herzl to have been one of God's
greatest gifts to the Jewish people!

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Richard Winer #lithuania

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
 

May I add my sadness in learning that Richard had passed away.
He was a dear man, always patient, though so often in pain.

He WILL be missed.

Sylvia Nusinov

----- Original Message -----

Subject: [litvaksig] Richard Winer

It is with great sadness that we have just learned that Richard Winer,
Coordinator of the LitvakSIG Ukmerge District Research Group, passed away
July 17th as a result of a fall and subsequent stroke.

Richard spent many happy years researching his family, helping Ukmerge
contributors, attending local genealogy meetings in Boston and the annual
IAJGS conferences and spending time with the many people he met through
his dedication to LitvakSIG.

We will all miss his ever cheerful disposition, his understanding and his
friendship. He was truly a gentle man.

Donations in his memory may be sent to the Jewish Historical Society of
the North Shore, 1 Community Road, Marblehead, MA 01945.

Carol Coplin Baker
Olga Zabludoff
Davida Noyek Handler

MODERATOR'S NOTE: May his memory be for a blessing.
Is anyone familiar with BLITZ website? #general

Daniel Feldman <df8@...>
 

There is an internet site offering Russian Archival searches. The site is
the BLITZ Information Center. The site claims they will have a researcher
spend 5 hours in a St Petersburg archive for a preliminary fee of $80 and
then advise you of any references or genealogical records available, with a
possibility/ likelihood of further fees for additional work performed ,
should the researcher actually find something. Has anyone utilized this
service, is the site reputable ?

Daniel Feldman, Buffalo, N.Y.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.
Pittsburgh and Titusville, Pennsylvania #general

Shelly Crane
 

Thank you very much to the kind genner who took gravestone pictures at
Ahavath Achim Cemetery in Forest Hills, Pittsburgh! You have been a great help.

I now have another one to add elsewhere in the Pittsburgh area and that is
Ahvatch Achim cemetery in Kennedy Township.

Additionally, I have a few relatives buried at the Tree Of Life Cemetery in
Crawford county, near Titusville, PA and hope to find someone willing to take
some grave photos.

Thank you
Shelly Levin
crzprncess@aol.com
USA
Brooklyn Naturalization #general

Barry Silver
 

If anyone is going to the King's County Clerk's Office at:
Supreme Court Building
360 Adams Street
Room 189, Record Room, Basement,
I would appreciate if they could make a copy of a record for me.
Barry Silver in Los Angeles

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply to Barry privately.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Is anyone familiar with BLITZ website? #general

Daniel Feldman <df8@...>
 

There is an internet site offering Russian Archival searches. The site is
the BLITZ Information Center. The site claims they will have a researcher
spend 5 hours in a St Petersburg archive for a preliminary fee of $80 and
then advise you of any references or genealogical records available, with a
possibility/ likelihood of further fees for additional work performed ,
should the researcher actually find something. Has anyone utilized this
service, is the site reputable ?

Daniel Feldman, Buffalo, N.Y.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pittsburgh and Titusville, Pennsylvania #general

Shelly Crane
 

Thank you very much to the kind genner who took gravestone pictures at
Ahavath Achim Cemetery in Forest Hills, Pittsburgh! You have been a great help.

I now have another one to add elsewhere in the Pittsburgh area and that is
Ahvatch Achim cemetery in Kennedy Township.

Additionally, I have a few relatives buried at the Tree Of Life Cemetery in
Crawford county, near Titusville, PA and hope to find someone willing to take
some grave photos.

Thank you
Shelly Levin
crzprncess@aol.com
USA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Brooklyn Naturalization #general

Barry Silver
 

If anyone is going to the King's County Clerk's Office at:
Supreme Court Building
360 Adams Street
Room 189, Record Room, Basement,
I would appreciate if they could make a copy of a record for me.
Barry Silver in Los Angeles

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply to Barry privately.
JGS Sacramento August 11 meeting - The Science of Names #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Sacramento Meeting

Topic: The Science of Names and the Outline of
Sephardic Names of Western Europe

Speaker: Dr. Donald R. MacRae

When: Monday, August 11, 7 p.m.

Please join us for Dr. MacRae's presentation Monday
evening and before and after the meeting, take
advantage of our growing library.

For more information about the JGSS, visit
http://www.jgss.org, or e-mail the JGSS
at jgs_sacramento@yahoo.com or leave a message at
916-486-0906 ext. 361.

Bob Wascou
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Sacramento August 11 meeting - The Science of Names #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Sacramento Meeting

Topic: The Science of Names and the Outline of
Sephardic Names of Western Europe

Speaker: Dr. Donald R. MacRae

When: Monday, August 11, 7 p.m.

Please join us for Dr. MacRae's presentation Monday
evening and before and after the meeting, take
advantage of our growing library.

For more information about the JGSS, visit
http://www.jgss.org, or e-mail the JGSS
at jgs_sacramento@yahoo.com or leave a message at
916-486-0906 ext. 361.

Bob Wascou
Botskin and Khan, London #unitedkingdom

rv Kaplan
 

Looking for any references to Khan and Botskin in London, pre-WW2.
Seems to have been a grocery business. Both proprietors were married
to sisters with the surname Minster.

All help appreciated.

Harvey L Kaplan

Glasgow
JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Botskin and Khan, London #unitedkingdom

rv Kaplan
 

Looking for any references to Khan and Botskin in London, pre-WW2.
Seems to have been a grocery business. Both proprietors were married
to sisters with the surname Minster.

All help appreciated.

Harvey L Kaplan

Glasgow
Volf and Benyamin #lithuania

nathalieried@...
 

Hello,
I have a question for my fellow researchers :
Apparently, my g-grandfather (Yoakhim) Benyamin VITKIND had a brother named
Volf (and both lived to adulthood) and since Volf is the kinnui of Benyamin
and both names are consequently very closely linked, I was wondering if it
was a frequent occurence to name 2 sons after the same combination of names
(Volf and Benyamin, Yehuda and Leyb etc ...)

If you say that it was never done, I may have to look into the matter more
closely ...

Thanks for your kind help, your combined experience always brings such a
wealth of tips and ideas!

Best regards,
Nathalie RIED (France)
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Volf and Benyamin #lithuania

nathalieried@...
 

Hello,
I have a question for my fellow researchers :
Apparently, my g-grandfather (Yoakhim) Benyamin VITKIND had a brother named
Volf (and both lived to adulthood) and since Volf is the kinnui of Benyamin
and both names are consequently very closely linked, I was wondering if it
was a frequent occurence to name 2 sons after the same combination of names
(Volf and Benyamin, Yehuda and Leyb etc ...)

If you say that it was never done, I may have to look into the matter more
closely ...

Thanks for your kind help, your combined experience always brings such a
wealth of tips and ideas!

Best regards,
Nathalie RIED (France)
268001 - 268020 of 668667