Date   

Re: Steerage Fares #ukraine

Terryn
 

The NY Times has most of its archives online. Here is a link to an 1892
article talking about the price increase for steerage to $27.50 - $30 and
the reasons why:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9806EFD81E31E033A2575
AC0A9629C94639ED7CF

Although prices surely went up >from there, the Ellis Island site has the
average price of a steerage ticket at around $30. Given that the larger
ships could hold up to 2,000 immigrants, that's a lot of profit for a
one-way voyage.

As to an amount of money, I've heard that you were supposed to have at least
$20, however, there were so many loopholes, that doesn't always apply. It
didn't apply to spouses, children or parents joining family already here. It
didn't apply if you already had a job (which is why almost half the male
immigrants >from my town of origination gave a guild address in NYC as a
destination, and then went promptly to Detroit to get a job). If you look
at the actual ship manifests, you can see that many immigrants came with
literally nothing, but as long as they had a place to go, and did not appear
to be a potential "burden to society", they were allowed to immigrate. Most
of the deportations were for medical reasons.

Hope this helps,

Terryn Barill Tower

Vladimirets Genealogy
http://vladimirets.org
Long Island, NY


Re: Steerage Fares #ukraine

alanpeg@...
 

I have somewhere in my notes that steerage to the U.S. >from Europe cost
around $10 in 1900.

Al Rosenfield
Columbus OH

Searching BECKER, FINESTONE,HOLSBERG,
LAVETTS, ROSENFIELD, SPRITZ


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Steerage Fares #ukraine

Terryn
 

The NY Times has most of its archives online. Here is a link to an 1892
article talking about the price increase for steerage to $27.50 - $30 and
the reasons why:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9806EFD81E31E033A2575
AC0A9629C94639ED7CF

Although prices surely went up >from there, the Ellis Island site has the
average price of a steerage ticket at around $30. Given that the larger
ships could hold up to 2,000 immigrants, that's a lot of profit for a
one-way voyage.

As to an amount of money, I've heard that you were supposed to have at least
$20, however, there were so many loopholes, that doesn't always apply. It
didn't apply to spouses, children or parents joining family already here. It
didn't apply if you already had a job (which is why almost half the male
immigrants >from my town of origination gave a guild address in NYC as a
destination, and then went promptly to Detroit to get a job). If you look
at the actual ship manifests, you can see that many immigrants came with
literally nothing, but as long as they had a place to go, and did not appear
to be a potential "burden to society", they were allowed to immigrate. Most
of the deportations were for medical reasons.

Hope this helps,

Terryn Barill Tower

Vladimirets Genealogy
http://vladimirets.org
Long Island, NY


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Steerage Fares #ukraine

alanpeg@...
 

I have somewhere in my notes that steerage to the U.S. >from Europe cost
around $10 in 1900.

Al Rosenfield
Columbus OH

Searching BECKER, FINESTONE,HOLSBERG,
LAVETTS, ROSENFIELD, SPRITZ


1941-1942 Lwow Jewish Registration Cards #ukraine

Mark Jacobson
 

Hi fellow researchers,

This is an informational post to all researching Lwow/Lviv/Lemberg and the surrounding area. Searching the Family Search (LDS) Library online catalogue http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp I discovered they now list 13 films of 1941-1942 Jewish Registration Cards >from the city of Lwow/Lviv/Lemberg (currently Lviv Ukraine, formerly Lwow Poland and Lemberg Austrian Galicia). These were filmed at the Central State Historical Archives of Ukraine Lviv and are >from fond 701/5. They are categorized under Ukraine, Lâ?²viv, Lâ?²viv, Lâ?²viv - Jewish records, Jewish Registration Cards 1941-1942, Jewish Congregation. Lâ?²viv. Miriam Weiner's website describes these records as "20,000 index cards [alpha by name] created by the Judenrat in July, 1941". They are not indexed, are not online and I have not seen them so I do not know how they are organized or what information they contain.

Mark Jacobson
Secretary, JGSPBCI
Boca Raton, FL

DOGULOV/DOVGALEVSKY - Belaya Tserkov/Kiev Ukraine;
COHEN/KANA/KAHAN - Tripolye, Ukraine;
JACOBSON - Polotsk, Belarus; KOBLENTZ - Polotsk, Belarus;
KAMERMAN/KAMMERMANN - Drohobycz, Galicia;
KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia;
JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia; ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
TUCHFELD - Rzeszow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia; GOLDSTEIN - Ranizow, Galicia


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine 1941-1942 Lwow Jewish Registration Cards #ukraine

Mark Jacobson
 

Hi fellow researchers,

This is an informational post to all researching Lwow/Lviv/Lemberg and the surrounding area. Searching the Family Search (LDS) Library online catalogue http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp I discovered they now list 13 films of 1941-1942 Jewish Registration Cards >from the city of Lwow/Lviv/Lemberg (currently Lviv Ukraine, formerly Lwow Poland and Lemberg Austrian Galicia). These were filmed at the Central State Historical Archives of Ukraine Lviv and are >from fond 701/5. They are categorized under Ukraine, Lâ?²viv, Lâ?²viv, Lâ?²viv - Jewish records, Jewish Registration Cards 1941-1942, Jewish Congregation. Lâ?²viv. Miriam Weiner's website describes these records as "20,000 index cards [alpha by name] created by the Judenrat in July, 1941". They are not indexed, are not online and I have not seen them so I do not know how they are organized or what information they contain.

Mark Jacobson
Secretary, JGSPBCI
Boca Raton, FL

DOGULOV/DOVGALEVSKY - Belaya Tserkov/Kiev Ukraine;
COHEN/KANA/KAHAN - Tripolye, Ukraine;
JACOBSON - Polotsk, Belarus; KOBLENTZ - Polotsk, Belarus;
KAMERMAN/KAMMERMANN - Drohobycz, Galicia;
KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia;
JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia; ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
TUCHFELD - Rzeszow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia; GOLDSTEIN - Ranizow, Galicia


Philly2009-Deadline Reminder #ukraine

David Mink
 

We just want to remind everyone that the deadline for purchasing
tickets to all the optional programs being offered at the 29th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy is coming very soon:
Sunday, July 19, 2009 at 11:59 pm US central time.

There are:
Very interesting Breakfasts with the Experts (please note that 1 is
already sold out)
Enlightening SIG Luncheons
Instructive Computer Workshops and two other workshops
Enjoyable and fascinating Tours
A great Welcome dinner perfect to starting to get to know people
An exciting Banquet with announcement of the IAJGS Achievement Award
Winners and the Comedian Yisrael Campbell

Do not delay if you want to make sure you have a place at any of these programs.
Participating in one or more of these events will most certainly
enhance your conference experience.

To add any of these optional programs, please go to Registration
Update. You will need your log-in and password received in your
conference registration e-mail confirmation.

If you have not yet registered --- don't wait any longer. Go register
at www.Philly2009.org right now so you won't miss out on all the
wonderful activities of what will be a fantastic
conference.

While you can check at the Registration Desk after conference begins
to see if tickets are still available for purchase, but we can't
guarantee that they will be available.

See you all very soon!

Anne Feder Lee
David Mink
Philly2009 Co-Chairs
Information@philly2009.org


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Philly2009-Deadline Reminder #ukraine

David Mink
 

We just want to remind everyone that the deadline for purchasing
tickets to all the optional programs being offered at the 29th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy is coming very soon:
Sunday, July 19, 2009 at 11:59 pm US central time.

There are:
Very interesting Breakfasts with the Experts (please note that 1 is
already sold out)
Enlightening SIG Luncheons
Instructive Computer Workshops and two other workshops
Enjoyable and fascinating Tours
A great Welcome dinner perfect to starting to get to know people
An exciting Banquet with announcement of the IAJGS Achievement Award
Winners and the Comedian Yisrael Campbell

Do not delay if you want to make sure you have a place at any of these programs.
Participating in one or more of these events will most certainly
enhance your conference experience.

To add any of these optional programs, please go to Registration
Update. You will need your log-in and password received in your
conference registration e-mail confirmation.

If you have not yet registered --- don't wait any longer. Go register
at www.Philly2009.org right now so you won't miss out on all the
wonderful activities of what will be a fantastic
conference.

While you can check at the Registration Desk after conference begins
to see if tickets are still available for purchase, but we can't
guarantee that they will be available.

See you all very soon!

Anne Feder Lee
David Mink
Philly2009 Co-Chairs
Information@philly2009.org


Response to Betty Ross - steerage fares; public burden #ukraine

Stephen Katz
 

I was recently at Ellis Island and the guide said that steerage was $50, second class $100 and first class $150 - but I don't know how accurate that was. For one thing, he wasn't time-specific. For another, I would have thought that it depended on the shipping line. Also, the spread of only $100 between steerage and first class fares seems questionable to me.
As for the amount of money to avoid becoming a public burden, one of the questions on the passenger manifests is whether the immigrant has at least $50 with him. However, this was probably not a hard-and-fast standard, since the notations on many manifests indicate that passengers who did not have $50 were admitted anyway. For example, my grandfather, who was 13 when he arrived, had $5 with him and was detained overnight at Ellis Is. while his relative in Boston was telegraphed to wire funds for his passage >from NY to Boston. If an immigrant didn't have at least $50, I suppose it depended on whether the immigration agent was convinced that there was someone in the US who would provide for his support.

Stephen Katz
New York City

Researching KATZ (Novograd-Volynsk (Zvhil), Ukraine; Boston, Mass.); SCHAPIRO (Rovno, Ukraine); LEVINE, Boston, Mass.)

Subject: Steerage Fares
From: bettyross1@comcast.net
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:54:20 +0000 (UTC)
X-Message-Number: 2

Hi Genners:

Can someone tell me the approximate cost of steerage passage >from Europe to New York City around 1900? Also, were immigrants required to have a certain amount of money with them to avoid becoming a public burden?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Betty Ross
Bethesda, MD

Researching HOROWITZ, HAVERBACK, KRASNY -- Kiev, Lukashevka, Monastrysche, Zhashkov, Hartford, CT; BECKANSTIN/BECKENDSTEIN -- Bialystok, Hartford, CT


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Response to Betty Ross - steerage fares; public burden #ukraine

Stephen Katz
 

I was recently at Ellis Island and the guide said that steerage was $50, second class $100 and first class $150 - but I don't know how accurate that was. For one thing, he wasn't time-specific. For another, I would have thought that it depended on the shipping line. Also, the spread of only $100 between steerage and first class fares seems questionable to me.
As for the amount of money to avoid becoming a public burden, one of the questions on the passenger manifests is whether the immigrant has at least $50 with him. However, this was probably not a hard-and-fast standard, since the notations on many manifests indicate that passengers who did not have $50 were admitted anyway. For example, my grandfather, who was 13 when he arrived, had $5 with him and was detained overnight at Ellis Is. while his relative in Boston was telegraphed to wire funds for his passage >from NY to Boston. If an immigrant didn't have at least $50, I suppose it depended on whether the immigration agent was convinced that there was someone in the US who would provide for his support.

Stephen Katz
New York City

Researching KATZ (Novograd-Volynsk (Zvhil), Ukraine; Boston, Mass.); SCHAPIRO (Rovno, Ukraine); LEVINE, Boston, Mass.)

Subject: Steerage Fares
From: bettyross1@comcast.net
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:54:20 +0000 (UTC)
X-Message-Number: 2

Hi Genners:

Can someone tell me the approximate cost of steerage passage >from Europe to New York City around 1900? Also, were immigrants required to have a certain amount of money with them to avoid becoming a public burden?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Betty Ross
Bethesda, MD

Researching HOROWITZ, HAVERBACK, KRASNY -- Kiev, Lukashevka, Monastrysche, Zhashkov, Hartford, CT; BECKANSTIN/BECKENDSTEIN -- Bialystok, Hartford, CT


Philly2009-Deadline Reminder #warsaw #poland

bounce-1862668-772981@...
 

We just want to remind everyone that the deadline for purchasing
tickets to all the optional programs being offered at the 29th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy is coming very soon:
Sunday, July 19, 2009 at 11:59 pm US central time.

There are:
Very interesting Breakfasts with the Experts (please note that 1 is
already sold out)
Enlightening SIG Luncheons
Instructive Computer Workshops and two other workshops
Enjoyable and fascinating Tours
A great Welcome dinner perfect to starting to get to know people
An exciting Banquet with announcement of the IAJGS Achievement Award
Winners and the Comedian Yisrael Campbell

Do not delay if you want to make sure you have a place at any of these programs.
Participating in one or more of these events will most certainly
enhance your conference experience.

To add any of these optional programs, please go to Registration
Update. You will need your log-in and password received in your
conference registration e-mail confirmation.

If you have not yet registered --- don't wait any longer. Go register
at www.Philly2009.org right now so you won't miss out on all the
wonderful activities of what will be a fantastic
conference.

While you can check at the Registration Desk after conference begins
to see if tickets are still available for purchase, but we can't
guarantee that they will be available.

See you all very soon!

Anne Feder Lee
David Mink
Philly2009 Co-Chairs
Information@philly2009.org


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Philly2009-Deadline Reminder #warsaw #poland

bounce-1862668-772981@...
 

We just want to remind everyone that the deadline for purchasing
tickets to all the optional programs being offered at the 29th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy is coming very soon:
Sunday, July 19, 2009 at 11:59 pm US central time.

There are:
Very interesting Breakfasts with the Experts (please note that 1 is
already sold out)
Enlightening SIG Luncheons
Instructive Computer Workshops and two other workshops
Enjoyable and fascinating Tours
A great Welcome dinner perfect to starting to get to know people
An exciting Banquet with announcement of the IAJGS Achievement Award
Winners and the Comedian Yisrael Campbell

Do not delay if you want to make sure you have a place at any of these programs.
Participating in one or more of these events will most certainly
enhance your conference experience.

To add any of these optional programs, please go to Registration
Update. You will need your log-in and password received in your
conference registration e-mail confirmation.

If you have not yet registered --- don't wait any longer. Go register
at www.Philly2009.org right now so you won't miss out on all the
wonderful activities of what will be a fantastic
conference.

While you can check at the Registration Desk after conference begins
to see if tickets are still available for purchase, but we can't
guarantee that they will be available.

See you all very soon!

Anne Feder Lee
David Mink
Philly2009 Co-Chairs
Information@philly2009.org


Philly2009-Deadline Reminder #usa

David Mink
 

We just want to remind everyone that the deadline for purchasing
tickets to all the optional programs being offered at the 29th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy is coming very soon:
Sunday, July 19, 2009 at 11:59 pm US central time.

There are:
Very interesting Breakfasts with the Experts (please note that 1 is
already sold out)
Enlightening SIG Luncheons
Instructive Computer Workshops and two other workshops
Enjoyable and fascinating Tours
A great Welcome dinner perfect to starting to get to know people
An exciting Banquet with announcement of the IAJGS Achievement Award
Winners and the Comedian Yisrael Campbell

Do not delay if you want to make sure you have a place at any of these programs.
Participating in one or more of these events will most certainly
enhance your conference experience.

To add any of these optional programs, please go to Registration
Update. You will need your log-in and password received in your
conference registration e-mail confirmation.

If you have not yet registered --- don't wait any longer. Go register
at www.Philly2009.org right now so you won't miss out on all the
wonderful activities of what will be a fantastic
conference.

While you can check at the Registration Desk after conference begins
to see if tickets are still available for purchase, but we can't
guarantee that they will be available.

See you all very soon!

Anne Feder Lee
David Mink
Philly2009 Co-Chairs
Information@philly2009.org


Early American SIG #USA Philly2009-Deadline Reminder #usa

David Mink
 

We just want to remind everyone that the deadline for purchasing
tickets to all the optional programs being offered at the 29th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy is coming very soon:
Sunday, July 19, 2009 at 11:59 pm US central time.

There are:
Very interesting Breakfasts with the Experts (please note that 1 is
already sold out)
Enlightening SIG Luncheons
Instructive Computer Workshops and two other workshops
Enjoyable and fascinating Tours
A great Welcome dinner perfect to starting to get to know people
An exciting Banquet with announcement of the IAJGS Achievement Award
Winners and the Comedian Yisrael Campbell

Do not delay if you want to make sure you have a place at any of these programs.
Participating in one or more of these events will most certainly
enhance your conference experience.

To add any of these optional programs, please go to Registration
Update. You will need your log-in and password received in your
conference registration e-mail confirmation.

If you have not yet registered --- don't wait any longer. Go register
at www.Philly2009.org right now so you won't miss out on all the
wonderful activities of what will be a fantastic
conference.

While you can check at the Registration Desk after conference begins
to see if tickets are still available for purchase, but we can't
guarantee that they will be available.

See you all very soon!

Anne Feder Lee
David Mink
Philly2009 Co-Chairs
Information@philly2009.org


Philly2009-Deadline Reminder #lodz #poland

David Mink
 

We just want to remind everyone that the deadline for purchasing
tickets to all the optional programs being offered at the 29th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy is coming very soon:
Sunday, July 19, 2009 at 11:59 pm US central time.

There are:
Very interesting Breakfasts with the Experts (please note that 1 is
already sold out)
Enlightening SIG Luncheons
Instructive Computer Workshops and two other workshops
Enjoyable and fascinating Tours
A great Welcome dinner perfect to starting to get to know people
An exciting Banquet with announcement of the IAJGS Achievement Award
Winners and the Comedian Yisrael Campbell

Do not delay if you want to make sure you have a place at any of these programs.
Participating in one or more of these events will most certainly
enhance your conference experience.

To add any of these optional programs, please go to Registration
Update. You will need your log-in and password received in your
conference registration e-mail confirmation.

If you have not yet registered --- don't wait any longer. Go register
at www.Philly2009.org right now so you won't miss out on all the
wonderful activities of what will be a fantastic
conference.

While you can check at the Registration Desk after conference begins
to see if tickets are still available for purchase, but we can't
guarantee that they will be available.

See you all very soon!

Anne Feder Lee
David Mink
Philly2009 Co-Chairs
Information@philly2009.org


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Philly2009-Deadline Reminder #lodz #poland

David Mink
 

We just want to remind everyone that the deadline for purchasing
tickets to all the optional programs being offered at the 29th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy is coming very soon:
Sunday, July 19, 2009 at 11:59 pm US central time.

There are:
Very interesting Breakfasts with the Experts (please note that 1 is
already sold out)
Enlightening SIG Luncheons
Instructive Computer Workshops and two other workshops
Enjoyable and fascinating Tours
A great Welcome dinner perfect to starting to get to know people
An exciting Banquet with announcement of the IAJGS Achievement Award
Winners and the Comedian Yisrael Campbell

Do not delay if you want to make sure you have a place at any of these programs.
Participating in one or more of these events will most certainly
enhance your conference experience.

To add any of these optional programs, please go to Registration
Update. You will need your log-in and password received in your
conference registration e-mail confirmation.

If you have not yet registered --- don't wait any longer. Go register
at www.Philly2009.org right now so you won't miss out on all the
wonderful activities of what will be a fantastic
conference.

While you can check at the Registration Desk after conference begins
to see if tickets are still available for purchase, but we can't
guarantee that they will be available.

See you all very soon!

Anne Feder Lee
David Mink
Philly2009 Co-Chairs
Information@philly2009.org


Searching for BERLINER - Riverdale, Bronx NY circa 1943 - 1965 #germany

Judith Elam
 

MODERATOR NOTE: This message was rejected once already because the writer gives
no date range for the person's residence. All members- please give some date
information when you make inquiries of this kind.

In this case, I guess that the (Riverdale) Bronx resident was there circa
1943 - 1960. "New York 71" is a postal zone. Use of those began in 1943.
(Wikipedia) In July, 1963, 5 digit ZIP codes were instituted throughout the USA.
Slow learners continued using the 2 digit postal zone designations for a long
time after that but by 1965 it would have been unusual for "New York 71"
to appear in an official directory. MOD 1 ===============

I am searching for someone with the surname BERLINER, who lived at 5400
Fieldston Road, New York 71 - this is the Bronx area. This person knew my
great-uncle and aunt, Peter and Tina NATHAN, who were born in Berlin,
survived the Holocaust, and lived and died in France. This person may have
been connected to KATZ, NATHAN, WEISS, HAHN, BENDA.

Please contact me directly at elamj@hawaii.rr.com Judith Elam Kihei, Hawaii


migrations from Lithuania to Ukraine #lithuania

Herbert Lazerow
 

Is there any historical research out there that might shed light on why/how
/how many Jews migrated >from Lithuania to Ukraine in the late 19th century?
Two things happened: one official, and one economic.

In Ukraine, civilization as St Petersburg understood it
stopped somewhat south and east of Kiev. >from there on, you were in
a lawless area much akin to the Wild West in the U.S. once you left
Jefferson City. In order to settle and stabilize those areas, the
government encouraged agricultural colonies where people could earn
land while settling it. The same was true for areas of Siberia,
normally off limits to Jews because not within the Pale of Settlement.

The economic factor is that there was much migration seeking
better economic conditions. That migration generally took
inhabitants >from small towns to larger cities, and >from north to
south. Odessa, for instance, in 1800, had about 100,000 people,
mostly ethnic Ukrainians. By 1900, Odessa contained about a million
people, roughly 1/3 Ukrainians, 1/3 Russians, and 1/3 Jews.

Bert
Herbert Lazerow
lazer@sandiego.edu,


Judi Caplan's resignation #lithuania

Davida Noyek Handler <dnhiowa@...>
 

Judi Caplan will be sorely missed as LitvakSIG's Online Journal Editor.
During my years of service, she was not only a wonderfully conscientious
editor - she was also a colleague and friend. She looked at everything
with a great sense of fairness and impartiality, and we always said that
she could spot a misplaced comma at 100 yards!

Thanks for everything Judi - you will be very hard to replace.

Davida Noyek Handler
Co-founder and Past President, LitvakSIG


German SIG #Germany Searching for BERLINER - Riverdale, Bronx NY circa 1943 - 1965 #germany

Judith Elam
 

MODERATOR NOTE: This message was rejected once already because the writer gives
no date range for the person's residence. All members- please give some date
information when you make inquiries of this kind.

In this case, I guess that the (Riverdale) Bronx resident was there circa
1943 - 1960. "New York 71" is a postal zone. Use of those began in 1943.
(Wikipedia) In July, 1963, 5 digit ZIP codes were instituted throughout the USA.
Slow learners continued using the 2 digit postal zone designations for a long
time after that but by 1965 it would have been unusual for "New York 71"
to appear in an official directory. MOD 1 ===============

I am searching for someone with the surname BERLINER, who lived at 5400
Fieldston Road, New York 71 - this is the Bronx area. This person knew my
great-uncle and aunt, Peter and Tina NATHAN, who were born in Berlin,
survived the Holocaust, and lived and died in France. This person may have
been connected to KATZ, NATHAN, WEISS, HAHN, BENDA.

Please contact me directly at elamj@hawaii.rr.com Judith Elam Kihei, Hawaii