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Re: DNA and Rabbinical Descent #rabbinic

Phillip Minden
 

What sort of DNA do you mean? Other than the strictly patrlinear and
the strictly matrilinear lines, the current state of the art doesn't
allow to prove direct descent >from individual people who lived 500 or
600 years ago, I thought.

Phillip Minden
(also a descendent of the Mahre"v/R' Jacob Weil)

^^^
From: "David Goldman" <lugman@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:31:59 -0400

Greetings, everyone. It turns out that my DNA results indicate that I
am not a direct descendant >from Rabbi Yaakov ben Yehuda Weil but >from
another line via one of his grandfather's or great-grandfather's
brothers instead.
Now it is said that he was a descendant of both Nachmanides and Rabbi
Meir of Rothenburg. Since it is unknown if I would share that descent
via marriage of his grandfather, great-grandfather etc. as opposed to
descent >from a brother of theirs, the only way would be to compare DNA
results with those who claim descent >from Nachmanides and/or Maharam
Rothenburg in the same manner the Weil connection is done in the WIRTH
group.
Does anyone know whether such DNA testing has been ever done for descent

from Nachmanides and/or Maharam Rothenburg?


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: DNA and Rabbinical Descent #rabbinic

Phillip Minden
 

What sort of DNA do you mean? Other than the strictly patrlinear and
the strictly matrilinear lines, the current state of the art doesn't
allow to prove direct descent >from individual people who lived 500 or
600 years ago, I thought.

Phillip Minden
(also a descendent of the Mahre"v/R' Jacob Weil)

^^^
From: "David Goldman" <lugman@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:31:59 -0400

Greetings, everyone. It turns out that my DNA results indicate that I
am not a direct descendant >from Rabbi Yaakov ben Yehuda Weil but >from
another line via one of his grandfather's or great-grandfather's
brothers instead.
Now it is said that he was a descendant of both Nachmanides and Rabbi
Meir of Rothenburg. Since it is unknown if I would share that descent
via marriage of his grandfather, great-grandfather etc. as opposed to
descent >from a brother of theirs, the only way would be to compare DNA
results with those who claim descent >from Nachmanides and/or Maharam
Rothenburg in the same manner the Weil connection is done in the WIRTH
group.
Does anyone know whether such DNA testing has been ever done for descent

from Nachmanides and/or Maharam Rothenburg?


questions about various dna ethnicity companies #dna

ava rosenblum
 

Hello:

Ancestry just updated their dna profiles. Ten years ago, they
advertised as going back as much as 1,000 years. However, now they
are stating that they go back only a few hundred years. The update
told me what I know >from my own document research.
(I went >from being 97 percent European Jewish, with 1 percent Italy/
Greece, 1 percent central Asia, and 1 percent Eastern Europe to 100
percent Euro Jewish.)

Based on a quick online search, I don't believe any of these
companies offer information that goes back more than a few hundred
years.

So, I thought I'd send in a note here in case there is a company that
someone knows of that can assist beyond document analysis of family
records.

Thank you.

Ava Rosenblum
Minneapolis, USA


Re: 23andMe #dna

David Shapiro
 

On 17/09/2018 09:04, David Goldman wrote:
Has anyone discovered anything significant as a result of the health
test with that company?
Yes. 1) Although my father had Parkinson's disease, I do not have the
gene often associated with that disease.
2) I am a carrier of Tay-Sachs.

David Shapiro
Jerusalem


DNA Research #DNA questions about various dna ethnicity companies #dna

ava rosenblum
 

Hello:

Ancestry just updated their dna profiles. Ten years ago, they
advertised as going back as much as 1,000 years. However, now they
are stating that they go back only a few hundred years. The update
told me what I know >from my own document research.
(I went >from being 97 percent European Jewish, with 1 percent Italy/
Greece, 1 percent central Asia, and 1 percent Eastern Europe to 100
percent Euro Jewish.)

Based on a quick online search, I don't believe any of these
companies offer information that goes back more than a few hundred
years.

So, I thought I'd send in a note here in case there is a company that
someone knows of that can assist beyond document analysis of family
records.

Thank you.

Ava Rosenblum
Minneapolis, USA


DNA Research #DNA Re: 23andMe #dna

David Shapiro
 

On 17/09/2018 09:04, David Goldman wrote:
Has anyone discovered anything significant as a result of the health
test with that company?
Yes. 1) Although my father had Parkinson's disease, I do not have the
gene often associated with that disease.
2) I am a carrier of Tay-Sachs.

David Shapiro
Jerusalem


Reich family from Rzeszow #galicia

Ruben Weiser
 

Hi

I recently found the will of my ancestor Eliasz Reich (1799-1877) >from
Rzeszow in Poland. Written in 1876. In it, beside many interesting data,
I could find info to put together most of his descendants' names. That
includes many last names.

In 1877 when he died he already had almost 200 descendants.

If any of you have the tradition of being his descendant or think that
that could be a possibility please let me know so I can try to find out
the connection.

Thanks

Ruben Weiser
Buenos Aires, Argentina


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Reich family from Rzeszow #galicia

Ruben Weiser
 

Hi

I recently found the will of my ancestor Eliasz Reich (1799-1877) >from
Rzeszow in Poland. Written in 1876. In it, beside many interesting data,
I could find info to put together most of his descendants' names. That
includes many last names.

In 1877 when he died he already had almost 200 descendants.

If any of you have the tradition of being his descendant or think that
that could be a possibility please let me know so I can try to find out
the connection.

Thanks

Ruben Weiser
Buenos Aires, Argentina


new oroklet website #hungary

tom
 

the oroklet website, <http://www.ororklet.hu/>, has been given a facelift.

the new version seems to be all in hungarian (watch out for names with diacriticals),
and its white-on-black theme threw me for a bit of a loop. (i'm not used to typing
my input in white on white, or viewing results in black on black; this may be an is
sue with my browser/version.) i didn't see any wildcard or soundex options, and it
also says that the search function only returns the first 15 hits.


....... tom klein, toronto


Hungary SIG #Hungary new oroklet website #hungary

tom
 

the oroklet website, <http://www.ororklet.hu/>, has been given a facelift.

the new version seems to be all in hungarian (watch out for names with diacriticals),
and its white-on-black theme threw me for a bit of a loop. (i'm not used to typing
my input in white on white, or viewing results in black on black; this may be an is
sue with my browser/version.) i didn't see any wildcard or soundex options, and it
also says that the search function only returns the first 15 hits.


....... tom klein, toronto


KOCH #lithuania

Ted Kotzin
 

Looking for Isaac KOCH, his wife Miriam (Mary) Grossman, and daughter
Sara, who was born in Lithuania (probably Kaunas) in 1874 and came to
America, specifically Cincinnati in about 1879 >from Liverpool/ ship's
list shows surname as KOSKI and name in US changed to Cook. These are
my father's mother and her parents.

Ted Kotzin
Torrance CA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
Suggestions for research methods or resources may be shared with
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania KOCH #lithuania

Ted Kotzin
 

Looking for Isaac KOCH, his wife Miriam (Mary) Grossman, and daughter
Sara, who was born in Lithuania (probably Kaunas) in 1874 and came to
America, specifically Cincinnati in about 1879 >from Liverpool/ ship's
list shows surname as KOSKI and name in US changed to Cook. These are
my father's mother and her parents.

Ted Kotzin
Torrance CA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
Suggestions for research methods or resources may be shared with
the list.


Landsman records ! incredible response !!!! #lithuania

Salinger Ralph
 

Dear Digest Contributors !

Oh so many thanks for the 25 responses I have received so far !
There is so much information that you have so kindly shared.

The response was quiet overwhelming - I am off to Lithuania in a couple of
days for my project in Vilkaviskis. So please wait for my personal response.

In appreciation,

Ralph


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Landsman records ! incredible response !!!! #lithuania

Salinger Ralph
 

Dear Digest Contributors !

Oh so many thanks for the 25 responses I have received so far !
There is so much information that you have so kindly shared.

The response was quiet overwhelming - I am off to Lithuania in a couple of
days for my project in Vilkaviskis. So please wait for my personal response.

In appreciation,

Ralph


Re: Looking for Landsman records ? #lithuania

dewriter77@...
 

http://circleboston.org/history

They are still around! I am sending a link about Our History.
A contact email address and Brookline, MA phone number are
way down at the bottom of the page. Good luck. I'd like to know
what you find out about their old records.

Donna Erickson
dewriter77@comcast.net


Looking for Landsman records ? #lithuania

RUSSELL PROPST <rmpropst@...>
 

Ralph Salinger asked about benevolent societies in his September 15
post. For Baltimore, the Jewish Museum of Maryland may be able to help.
http://jewishmuseummd.org/

Deborra Wood
York SC, USA
Researching:
BARRET, BITER/BYETER, HOCK, JACOBS, SCHINGLEDECKER
from Seduva?, Lithuania; South Africa
BLECHMAN >from Telsiai district, Lithuania
FRIEDLANDER >from Baisogala, Lithuania; Seduva?, Lithuania;
South Africa


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Looking for Landsman records ? #lithuania

dewriter77@...
 

http://circleboston.org/history

They are still around! I am sending a link about Our History.
A contact email address and Brookline, MA phone number are
way down at the bottom of the page. Good luck. I'd like to know
what you find out about their old records.

Donna Erickson
dewriter77@comcast.net


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Looking for Landsman records ? #lithuania

RUSSELL PROPST <rmpropst@...>
 

Ralph Salinger asked about benevolent societies in his September 15
post. For Baltimore, the Jewish Museum of Maryland may be able to help.
http://jewishmuseummd.org/

Deborra Wood
York SC, USA
Researching:
BARRET, BITER/BYETER, HOCK, JACOBS, SCHINGLEDECKER
from Seduva?, Lithuania; South Africa
BLECHMAN >from Telsiai district, Lithuania
FRIEDLANDER >from Baisogala, Lithuania; Seduva?, Lithuania;
South Africa


Re: Looking for Landsman records ? #lithuania

RICHARD GROSS <richardgross@...>
 

Try the archives at the YIVO institute for Jewish Research in New York.
Their website is www.yivo.org/research. I know they have records
of burial and benevolent societies.

Richard Gross

On Sep 15, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Ralph Salinger salinger@krp.org.il wrote:

In the late 1800 until about the 1970, immigrants >from the various
shtetlach ran benevolent societies and associations to provide aid and
social programming for their landsman. These were mostly in NYC but there
were likely similar organizations in places like Baltimore.

Most or all of these have shut down as the original immigrants died and
their kids didn't have any interest in keeping them going.

But what happened to all of their records?

Did someone acquire them or did they simply end up in a landfill?
I have no idea.

Can anyone make some suggestions where to look ?

Many thanks

Ralph


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Looking for Landsman records ? #lithuania

RICHARD GROSS <richardgross@...>
 

Try the archives at the YIVO institute for Jewish Research in New York.
Their website is www.yivo.org/research. I know they have records
of burial and benevolent societies.

Richard Gross

On Sep 15, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Ralph Salinger salinger@krp.org.il wrote:

In the late 1800 until about the 1970, immigrants >from the various
shtetlach ran benevolent societies and associations to provide aid and
social programming for their landsman. These were mostly in NYC but there
were likely similar organizations in places like Baltimore.

Most or all of these have shut down as the original immigrants died and
their kids didn't have any interest in keeping them going.

But what happened to all of their records?

Did someone acquire them or did they simply end up in a landfill?
I have no idea.

Can anyone make some suggestions where to look ?

Many thanks

Ralph

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