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Re: [Document destruction by] Hamburg State Archives #germany

Corinna Woehrl
 

Dear GerSIG-friends,

Following up the information >from the beginning of the month I would
like to give you an update on the incomprehensible shredding of the
Medical Certificates of Death at the Hamburg State Archives (StAHH). As
I stated in my comment in the GerSIG-List on September, 3rd most of the
mentioned reasons for weeding the files can be refuted. The head of the
Hamburg State Archives, Dr. Schaefer, admits that >from nowadays point of
view he wouldn't have weeded the documents. The pressure on him
is growing.

The local press and TV have eventually begun to cover the unfortunate
decision: It took the local historians and genealogists about two months
to gain public interest on this matter.

It would be of great help for us local genealogists, if we had
international support in terms of notes of protest sent to the State
Archives or - even better - responsible Hamburg State Secretary,
Dr. Carsten Brosda.

The official statement >from the StAHH can be found via the following
link (English version): http://tinyurl.com/ycfu7rzu or
https://www.hamburg.de/contentblob/11526092/419b169f1436bf2e6ce81b44877bb9a9/data/todesbescheinigungen-en.pdf

Recent coverage in the local press (in German):

Hamburger Morgenpost, September 18th: http://tinyurl.com/ychomtfk or
https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/schredder-skandal-im-staatsarchiv-vernichtete-ns-akten--experten-fordern-aufklaerung-31308940

[Google search results for Hamburger Abendblatt, September 17th.
(perhaps with a paywall)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=3Dde&;q=Abendblatt+Hamburger+Staatsarchiv

Hamburger Morgenpost, September 15th. http://tinyurl.com/y9gh3mqe or

https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/eine-million-dokumente--staatsarchiv-leiter-liess-hamburgs-geschichte-schreddern-31268994

TAZ (they ask if you want to pay, just click gerade
nicht/continue reading) September 4th. http://www.taz.de/!5529873/

NDR Hamburg Journal September 1. regional TV-magazine >from minute 7:50
http://tinyurl.com/yapa2x3p or
https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/hamburg_journal/Hamburg-Journal,hamj71556.html

If you need further-information (e.g. e-mail-addresses or contact
persons) please write privately to goslar@cwoehrl.de

Kind regards, Corinna (Woehrl) goslar@cwoehrl.de


German SIG #Germany Re: [Document destruction by] Hamburg State Archives #germany

Corinna Woehrl
 

Dear GerSIG-friends,

Following up the information >from the beginning of the month I would
like to give you an update on the incomprehensible shredding of the
Medical Certificates of Death at the Hamburg State Archives (StAHH). As
I stated in my comment in the GerSIG-List on September, 3rd most of the
mentioned reasons for weeding the files can be refuted. The head of the
Hamburg State Archives, Dr. Schaefer, admits that >from nowadays point of
view he wouldn't have weeded the documents. The pressure on him
is growing.

The local press and TV have eventually begun to cover the unfortunate
decision: It took the local historians and genealogists about two months
to gain public interest on this matter.

It would be of great help for us local genealogists, if we had
international support in terms of notes of protest sent to the State
Archives or - even better - responsible Hamburg State Secretary,
Dr. Carsten Brosda.

The official statement >from the StAHH can be found via the following
link (English version): http://tinyurl.com/ycfu7rzu or
https://www.hamburg.de/contentblob/11526092/419b169f1436bf2e6ce81b44877bb9a9/data/todesbescheinigungen-en.pdf

Recent coverage in the local press (in German):

Hamburger Morgenpost, September 18th: http://tinyurl.com/ychomtfk or
https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/schredder-skandal-im-staatsarchiv-vernichtete-ns-akten--experten-fordern-aufklaerung-31308940

[Google search results for Hamburger Abendblatt, September 17th.
(perhaps with a paywall)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=3Dde&;q=Abendblatt+Hamburger+Staatsarchiv

Hamburger Morgenpost, September 15th. http://tinyurl.com/y9gh3mqe or

https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/eine-million-dokumente--staatsarchiv-leiter-liess-hamburgs-geschichte-schreddern-31268994

TAZ (they ask if you want to pay, just click gerade
nicht/continue reading) September 4th. http://www.taz.de/!5529873/

NDR Hamburg Journal September 1. regional TV-magazine >from minute 7:50
http://tinyurl.com/yapa2x3p or
https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/hamburg_journal/Hamburg-Journal,hamj71556.html

If you need further-information (e.g. e-mail-addresses or contact
persons) please write privately to goslar@cwoehrl.de

Kind regards, Corinna (Woehrl) goslar@cwoehrl.de


Re: questions about various dna ethnicity companies #dna

Raina Accardi <raina.accardi@...>
 

Your DNA ethnicity estimate will change based on improved data >from
growing sample populations as Ancestry/FTdna/23andMe etc update their
ethnicity calculators. Your ethnicity breakdown does not tell you when
your ancestors lived, only that you have similar DNA to other people
whose ancestors lived in certain areas. In terms of finding DNA matches,
the autosomal DNA tests are most useful within 6 generations. So if a
generation is about 30 years that would be about 180 years. However it
is still possible to make connections back 10 generations if you get
lucky and have a well documented tree (and your match also has a well
documented tree!)

As far as going back beyond a few hundred years and paper records, you
can take the mitochondria DNA test (MtDNA) or the YDNA test to get DNA
matches that reach back before paper records. You might be able to pick
out patterns of migration based on your matches individual family
histories. The haplogroups you will be assigned with those tests have
histories that show when (1000s of years ago) and where the original
mutation in that type of DNA occurred. The autosomal test only tests to
within a few hundred years as you said. I believe Family Tree DNA and
23andMe can do the mt-DNA and Y-DNA tests.

Raina Accardi
Saugerties, NY, USA

From: ava rosenblum <gsand@visi.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:09:44 -0500

Ancestry just updated their dna profiles. Ten years ago, they
advertised as going back as much as 1,000 years. However, now they
are stating that they go back only a few hundred years. The update
told me what I know >from my own document research.
(I went >from being 97 percent European Jewish, with 1 percent Italy/
Greece, 1 percent central Asia, and 1 percent Eastern Europe to 100
percent Euro Jewish.)

Based on a quick online search, I don't believe any of these
companies offer information that goes back more than a few hundred
years.

So, I thought I'd send in a note here in case there is a company that
someone knows of that can assist beyond document analysis of family
records.


DNA Research #DNA Re: questions about various dna ethnicity companies #dna

Raina Accardi <raina.accardi@...>
 

Your DNA ethnicity estimate will change based on improved data >from
growing sample populations as Ancestry/FTdna/23andMe etc update their
ethnicity calculators. Your ethnicity breakdown does not tell you when
your ancestors lived, only that you have similar DNA to other people
whose ancestors lived in certain areas. In terms of finding DNA matches,
the autosomal DNA tests are most useful within 6 generations. So if a
generation is about 30 years that would be about 180 years. However it
is still possible to make connections back 10 generations if you get
lucky and have a well documented tree (and your match also has a well
documented tree!)

As far as going back beyond a few hundred years and paper records, you
can take the mitochondria DNA test (MtDNA) or the YDNA test to get DNA
matches that reach back before paper records. You might be able to pick
out patterns of migration based on your matches individual family
histories. The haplogroups you will be assigned with those tests have
histories that show when (1000s of years ago) and where the original
mutation in that type of DNA occurred. The autosomal test only tests to
within a few hundred years as you said. I believe Family Tree DNA and
23andMe can do the mt-DNA and Y-DNA tests.

Raina Accardi
Saugerties, NY, USA

From: ava rosenblum <gsand@visi.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:09:44 -0500

Ancestry just updated their dna profiles. Ten years ago, they
advertised as going back as much as 1,000 years. However, now they
are stating that they go back only a few hundred years. The update
told me what I know >from my own document research.
(I went >from being 97 percent European Jewish, with 1 percent Italy/
Greece, 1 percent central Asia, and 1 percent Eastern Europe to 100
percent Euro Jewish.)

Based on a quick online search, I don't believe any of these
companies offer information that goes back more than a few hundred
years.

So, I thought I'd send in a note here in case there is a company that
someone knows of that can assist beyond document analysis of family
records.


Re: DNA and Rabbinical Descent #rabbinic

Chaim freedman
 

In response to Phillip Minden, yes it is possible to prove descent from
people who lived hundreds of years ago, as explained in my article at
http://eliyahusbranches.blogspot.com/2018/08/genetic-master-list-for-relatives-of.html
That is using a full autosomal test, not just Y chromosome, and in
combination with the "Paper Trail".

Chaim Freedman

^^^
Phillip Minden <lippomano@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 09:04:06 +0200
What sort of DNA do you mean? Other than the strictly patrlinear and the
strictly matrilinear lines, the current state of the art doesn't allow to
prove direct descent >from individual people who lived 500 or
600 years ago, I thought.

Phillip Minden


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: DNA and Rabbinical Descent #rabbinic

Chaim freedman
 

In response to Phillip Minden, yes it is possible to prove descent from
people who lived hundreds of years ago, as explained in my article at
http://eliyahusbranches.blogspot.com/2018/08/genetic-master-list-for-relatives-of.html
That is using a full autosomal test, not just Y chromosome, and in
combination with the "Paper Trail".

Chaim Freedman

^^^
Phillip Minden <lippomano@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 09:04:06 +0200
What sort of DNA do you mean? Other than the strictly patrlinear and the
strictly matrilinear lines, the current state of the art doesn't allow to
prove direct descent >from individual people who lived 500 or
600 years ago, I thought.

Phillip Minden


TEOMIM-FRAENKEL, OPPENHEIM Prague #austria-czech

Irene Newhouse
 

In a letter to Dr. Felix Bondi in 1933, Dr. Michael Berolzheimer mentions: "... so scheint doch
nach des Tod ihres Vaters Genendel ins Haus ihres Grossvaters gekommen zu sein, das R.
David OPPENHEIM in Prag. Denn in der Consignation 1729 wird bei "Genendel des Jonas
THOMIM Tochter" beigefuegt, "Unterhalt vom Grossvater." In English:... so it appears that
after the death of her father, Genendel came to the house of her grandfather, R. David
Oppenheim. Because in the Consignation 1729, next to "Genendel, Jonas THOMIM's
daughter [sic in the letter] is added "supported by the grandfather". A carbon copy of this
letter is in the Michael Berolzheimer Collection at the Leo Baeck Institute in New York City.
It's been digitized, which is how I came to see it.

I have two questions: what is a 'Consignation', and can someone please advise me as to
how I might get a copy of this section?

Thanks so much!

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI USA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech TEOMIM-FRAENKEL, OPPENHEIM Prague #austria-czech

Irene Newhouse
 

In a letter to Dr. Felix Bondi in 1933, Dr. Michael Berolzheimer mentions: "... so scheint doch
nach des Tod ihres Vaters Genendel ins Haus ihres Grossvaters gekommen zu sein, das R.
David OPPENHEIM in Prag. Denn in der Consignation 1729 wird bei "Genendel des Jonas
THOMIM Tochter" beigefuegt, "Unterhalt vom Grossvater." In English:... so it appears that
after the death of her father, Genendel came to the house of her grandfather, R. David
Oppenheim. Because in the Consignation 1729, next to "Genendel, Jonas THOMIM's
daughter [sic in the letter] is added "supported by the grandfather". A carbon copy of this
letter is in the Michael Berolzheimer Collection at the Leo Baeck Institute in New York City.
It's been digitized, which is how I came to see it.

I have two questions: what is a 'Consignation', and can someone please advise me as to
how I might get a copy of this section?

Thanks so much!

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI USA


Searching for Michael Anthony PICARD #general

Ruth & Bruce Lynn <lynn33@...>
 

Hello,

I'm searching for a "lost" cousin, Michael Anthony PICARD, who was born
in England in 1947. His parents were Claus Wolfgang PICARD and (Hilde)
Inge(borg) GROSSMAN, both born in Berlin. They lived in Welwyn Gardens
and Bramley, Leeds, UK in the 1950's. Claus's parents (Michael Anthony's
grandparents), Dr. Ernst Jacob PICARD and (Minna) Edith Eva RUSS, lived
in London in the 1950's. Inge's parents, Dr. Fritz GROSSMAN and Gertrud
Paula FRANK, lived in New York City. Claus's brother, Heinz Hellmuth
PICARD, lived in Tel Aviv. Inge's brothers Herbert Otto GROSSMAN and
Helmut/Henry GROSSMAN, lived in Newark, NJ and Englewood, NJ.

Michael's grandparents, Dr. Ernst Jacob PICARD and (Minna) Edith Eva RUSS,
escaped >from Berlin to Palestine in 1935, and later moved to England.
Edith was my father's cousin. What she never knew was that her sister,
Charlotte Henriette RUSS HEILFRON, managed to escape >from Berlin to
Ireland, where she and her family lived out their lives in Dublin. Their
only living brother, (Wolfgang) Guenter RUSS, committed suicide during or
after his 1943 deportation >from Berlin. Each sister thought that she was
the only surviving family member.

I have recently re-connected with Charlotte's granddaughter in Ireland.
She had no idea that she had close cousins in the UK and the US. But I
have been unable to trace Michael Anthony PICARD, other than two passenger
records for 1947 and 1951 voyages >from England, with his mother, to visit
her parents in New York.

If this story, or any of these names sound familiar to you, please reply
privately.

Thanks very much.

Ruth Nadelman Lynn
Lexington, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Michael Anthony PICARD #general

Ruth & Bruce Lynn <lynn33@...>
 

Hello,

I'm searching for a "lost" cousin, Michael Anthony PICARD, who was born
in England in 1947. His parents were Claus Wolfgang PICARD and (Hilde)
Inge(borg) GROSSMAN, both born in Berlin. They lived in Welwyn Gardens
and Bramley, Leeds, UK in the 1950's. Claus's parents (Michael Anthony's
grandparents), Dr. Ernst Jacob PICARD and (Minna) Edith Eva RUSS, lived
in London in the 1950's. Inge's parents, Dr. Fritz GROSSMAN and Gertrud
Paula FRANK, lived in New York City. Claus's brother, Heinz Hellmuth
PICARD, lived in Tel Aviv. Inge's brothers Herbert Otto GROSSMAN and
Helmut/Henry GROSSMAN, lived in Newark, NJ and Englewood, NJ.

Michael's grandparents, Dr. Ernst Jacob PICARD and (Minna) Edith Eva RUSS,
escaped >from Berlin to Palestine in 1935, and later moved to England.
Edith was my father's cousin. What she never knew was that her sister,
Charlotte Henriette RUSS HEILFRON, managed to escape >from Berlin to
Ireland, where she and her family lived out their lives in Dublin. Their
only living brother, (Wolfgang) Guenter RUSS, committed suicide during or
after his 1943 deportation >from Berlin. Each sister thought that she was
the only surviving family member.

I have recently re-connected with Charlotte's granddaughter in Ireland.
She had no idea that she had close cousins in the UK and the US. But I
have been unable to trace Michael Anthony PICARD, other than two passenger
records for 1947 and 1951 voyages >from England, with his mother, to visit
her parents in New York.

If this story, or any of these names sound familiar to you, please reply
privately.

Thanks very much.

Ruth Nadelman Lynn
Lexington, MA


IGRA Meeting October 8th in Ra'anana, Israel- Successes or Brick Walls #general

Elena Bazes
 

Monday, October 8th in Ra'anana

Join us for the next meeting of the Israel Genealogy Research
Association (IGRA) - "Successes or Brick Walls".

At this meeting, the focus will be on YOU. Share your successes with
us or tell us about your difficulties and/or brick walls, which
hopefully will be solved by one of our country experts who will be
present.

This is an opportunity to meet your fellow genealogists and to learn
from or assist one another.
Location: Bet Fisher, 5 Klausner Street, Ra'anana
Doors open at 19:00 Meeting begins at 19:30.
Cost: IGRA members-Free Admission Non-members-NIS 20

To join IGRA, go to http://genealogy.org.il/membership/

Elena Bazes
IGRA Publicity Chairperson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen IGRA Meeting October 8th in Ra'anana, Israel- Successes or Brick Walls #general

Elena Bazes
 

Monday, October 8th in Ra'anana

Join us for the next meeting of the Israel Genealogy Research
Association (IGRA) - "Successes or Brick Walls".

At this meeting, the focus will be on YOU. Share your successes with
us or tell us about your difficulties and/or brick walls, which
hopefully will be solved by one of our country experts who will be
present.

This is an opportunity to meet your fellow genealogists and to learn
from or assist one another.
Location: Bet Fisher, 5 Klausner Street, Ra'anana
Doors open at 19:00 Meeting begins at 19:30.
Cost: IGRA members-Free Admission Non-members-NIS 20

To join IGRA, go to http://genealogy.org.il/membership/

Elena Bazes
IGRA Publicity Chairperson


Re: litvaksig digest: September 16, 2018 #lithuania

Jon Seligman
 

1. Re: Looking for Landsman records ?
Quite a few Landsman associations in Israel still exist, though many are
territorially based, rather than for individual Shtetlach. Some have
extensive archives:

Vilna and its district: www.vilna.co.il/

Lithuania: http://lithuanianjews.org/

Latvia: http://lat-est.org.il/

Central Europe: http://irgun-jeckes.org/

Slonim: http://www.slonimjews.org.il/

Pinsk: http://www.pinskjews.org.il/pinskorg01.asp

Lodz: http://www.lodz-israel.co.il/heb-index.html

Warsaw: http://www.warsaw.org.il/

Cracow: http://www.cracow.org.il/


... and I am sure that a Google search would dredge up quite a few more.

Jon Seligman
Zur Hadassa, Israel


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: litvaksig digest: September 16, 2018 #lithuania

Jon Seligman
 

1. Re: Looking for Landsman records ?
Quite a few Landsman associations in Israel still exist, though many are
territorially based, rather than for individual Shtetlach. Some have
extensive archives:

Vilna and its district: www.vilna.co.il/

Lithuania: http://lithuanianjews.org/

Latvia: http://lat-est.org.il/

Central Europe: http://irgun-jeckes.org/

Slonim: http://www.slonimjews.org.il/

Pinsk: http://www.pinskjews.org.il/pinskorg01.asp

Lodz: http://www.lodz-israel.co.il/heb-index.html

Warsaw: http://www.warsaw.org.il/

Cracow: http://www.cracow.org.il/


... and I am sure that a Google search would dredge up quite a few more.

Jon Seligman
Zur Hadassa, Israel


Re: Looking for Landsman records ? #lithuania

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Ralph,

I found one such file at Yivo. They probably have others.

Best Results,
Adam Cherson


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LITVAKSIG Digest for Saturday, September 15, 2018.

1. Looking for Landsman records ?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Looking for Landsman records ?
From: Salinger Ralph <salinger@krp.org.il>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:06:24 +0300
X-Message-Number: 1

In the late 1800 until about the 1970, immigrants >from the various
shtetlach ran benevolent societies and associations to provide aid and
social programming for their landsman. These were mostly in NYC but
there
were likely similar organizations in places like Baltimore.

Most or all of these have shut down as the original immigrants died and
their kids didn't have any interest in keeping them going.

But what happened to all of their records?

Did someone acquire them or did they simply end up in a landfill?
I have no idea.

Can anyone make some suggestions where to look ?

Many thanks

Ralph


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: Looking for Landsman records ? #lithuania

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Ralph,

I found one such file at Yivo. They probably have others.

Best Results,
Adam Cherson


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LITVAKSIG Digest for Saturday, September 15, 2018.

1. Looking for Landsman records ?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Looking for Landsman records ?
From: Salinger Ralph <salinger@krp.org.il>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:06:24 +0300
X-Message-Number: 1

In the late 1800 until about the 1970, immigrants >from the various
shtetlach ran benevolent societies and associations to provide aid and
social programming for their landsman. These were mostly in NYC but
there
were likely similar organizations in places like Baltimore.

Most or all of these have shut down as the original immigrants died and
their kids didn't have any interest in keeping them going.

But what happened to all of their records?

Did someone acquire them or did they simply end up in a landfill?
I have no idea.

Can anyone make some suggestions where to look ?

Many thanks

Ralph


Request for Translation Assistance #poland

Rick Zeckel <rz7923@...>
 

I have posted four documents on ViewMate that were sent to me by the
State Archive in Torun Branch of Wloclawek in response to my request
for documents related to my grandfather, Szymon Moszek Kaufman. The
documents are scans of pages that are in two sets of two pages each, a
right side and left side of the book they came from. I have been told
they're in Russian, but since I don't know Polish or Russian I can't
be sure. The addresses for the four are:

https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/submissionslist.asp?cmd=resetall

I would appreciate any help I can get on translating these pages.

--
Rick Zeckel
rz7923@gmail.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE:Please respond privately or via Viewmate.


JRI Poland #Poland Request for Translation Assistance #poland

Rick Zeckel <rz7923@...>
 

I have posted four documents on ViewMate that were sent to me by the
State Archive in Torun Branch of Wloclawek in response to my request
for documents related to my grandfather, Szymon Moszek Kaufman. The
documents are scans of pages that are in two sets of two pages each, a
right side and left side of the book they came from. I have been told
they're in Russian, but since I don't know Polish or Russian I can't
be sure. The addresses for the four are:

https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/submissionslist.asp?cmd=resetall

I would appreciate any help I can get on translating these pages.

--
Rick Zeckel
rz7923@gmail.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE:Please respond privately or via Viewmate.


Re: New oroklet website #hungary

Bob Friedman
 

1) I didn't see an option to select English on either version of the site

2) You have to log in to see results, but I did not see a place to =
register on the updated version

3) I filled out the registration form on the old site, and got a message =
to enter my house number
and street, but there's no place on the form to enter that information

Am I missing something?

Bob Friedman
Brooklyn, NY


On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 13:19:59 -0400, "Michael Hollosi mhollosi@gmail.com" =
<h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
wrote:

Yes, the new web interface is quite bad. But the good data is still =
there and you can get to the old interface for now at the oroklet =
website,=20
at www.oroklet.hu/bent.php. The English version works the second time =
you select it.=20

The site owners should be encourage to keep the old interface around and=
provide a link to it while they are improving the new one.=20

Regards, Mike Hollosi

Tom Klein wrote:

the oroklet website, <http://www.oroklet.hu/>, has been given a =
facelift. =20

the new version seems to be all in hungarian (watch out for names with =
diacriticals),
and its white-on-black theme threw me for a bit of a loop. (i'm not =
used to typing
my input in white on white, or viewing results in black on black; this =
may be an is
sue with my browser/version.) i didn't see any wildcard or soundex =
options, and it=20
also says that the search function only returns the first 15 hits.=20


....... tom klein, toronto


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: New oroklet website #hungary

Bob Friedman
 

1) I didn't see an option to select English on either version of the site

2) You have to log in to see results, but I did not see a place to =
register on the updated version

3) I filled out the registration form on the old site, and got a message =
to enter my house number
and street, but there's no place on the form to enter that information

Am I missing something?

Bob Friedman
Brooklyn, NY


On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 13:19:59 -0400, "Michael Hollosi mhollosi@gmail.com" =
<h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
wrote:

Yes, the new web interface is quite bad. But the good data is still =
there and you can get to the old interface for now at the oroklet =
website,=20
at www.oroklet.hu/bent.php. The English version works the second time =
you select it.=20

The site owners should be encourage to keep the old interface around and=
provide a link to it while they are improving the new one.=20

Regards, Mike Hollosi

Tom Klein wrote:

the oroklet website, <http://www.oroklet.hu/>, has been given a =
facelift. =20

the new version seems to be all in hungarian (watch out for names with =
diacriticals),
and its white-on-black theme threw me for a bit of a loop. (i'm not =
used to typing
my input in white on white, or viewing results in black on black; this =
may be an is
sue with my browser/version.) i didn't see any wildcard or soundex =
options, and it=20
also says that the search function only returns the first 15 hits.=20


....... tom klein, toronto

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