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Family Name Nagrocki from Vilkija #lithuania

Andrea Nicki <nicandr4@...>
 

Hi, I'm trying to find out more information about my grandfather
John Nagrocki who was born in Vilkija, Lithuanian in 1898 and
arrived in NY in 1913. It's hard finding information about his
parents. He had a brother, Jurgis (husband of Rose Karnovsky)
and a sister Josephine (wife of John Gailus) who arrived in IL.

He may have had other siblings. I am wondering if there are
any other people out there who have my relatives in their trees.
It seems he was part Jewish as I have some European Jewish
ethnicity. I'm also interested in learning more about his family
name Nagrocki, also spelled Nagrodzki.

Thanks, Andrea Nicki


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Family Name Nagrocki from Vilkija #lithuania

Andrea Nicki <nicandr4@...>
 

Hi, I'm trying to find out more information about my grandfather
John Nagrocki who was born in Vilkija, Lithuanian in 1898 and
arrived in NY in 1913. It's hard finding information about his
parents. He had a brother, Jurgis (husband of Rose Karnovsky)
and a sister Josephine (wife of John Gailus) who arrived in IL.

He may have had other siblings. I am wondering if there are
any other people out there who have my relatives in their trees.
It seems he was part Jewish as I have some European Jewish
ethnicity. I'm also interested in learning more about his family
name Nagrocki, also spelled Nagrodzki.

Thanks, Andrea Nicki


Panevezys area 7 new files have been added to the Panevezys DRG site. #lithuania

Salinger Ralph
 

Dear Researchers,

If you are searching for your family in the Panevezys area 7 new files have
been added to the Panevezys District Research Group (DRG) site.

They are:

Linkuva 1897Rabbi Electors Lists
Pumpenai 1907-1913 Electors
Zeimelis 1868 Taxpayers unable to pay
Pamusis 1906 -1907 Electors
Pasvalys 1915 Rabbi Electors
Panevezys District 1915 Certificates
Panevezys District 1909 Rabbi Electors

These files will be publicly searchable in the ALD in 18 months' time !

I am hoping that if you do not belong to our group you will join !
Just go to
https://www.litvaksig.org/membership-and-contributions/join-and-contribute/

Ralph
Coordinator Panevezys District Research Group
salinger@...



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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Panevezys area 7 new files have been added to the Panevezys DRG site. #lithuania

Salinger Ralph
 

Dear Researchers,

If you are searching for your family in the Panevezys area 7 new files have
been added to the Panevezys District Research Group (DRG) site.

They are:

Linkuva 1897Rabbi Electors Lists
Pumpenai 1907-1913 Electors
Zeimelis 1868 Taxpayers unable to pay
Pamusis 1906 -1907 Electors
Pasvalys 1915 Rabbi Electors
Panevezys District 1915 Certificates
Panevezys District 1909 Rabbi Electors

These files will be publicly searchable in the ALD in 18 months' time !

I am hoping that if you do not belong to our group you will join !
Just go to
https://www.litvaksig.org/membership-and-contributions/join-and-contribute/

Ralph
Coordinator Panevezys District Research Group
salinger@...



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1987 ALL RUSSIA CENSUS #lithuania

mkaplan27
 

In the 1897 All Russia Census there is a column heading "Other Names".
What does that mean?

-Michael Kaplan


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania 1987 ALL RUSSIA CENSUS #lithuania

mkaplan27
 

In the 1897 All Russia Census there is a column heading "Other Names".
What does that mean?

-Michael Kaplan


Inconsistent Ancestry Results #dna

David Goldman
 

Greetings, all. Here is something I don't understand. Ancestry shows a young
relative whose great-great grandmother was an elder sister to my
grandfather. She is a "very high match" (49 centimorgans shared across 7 DNA
segments) whereas her own sister shows as an "extremely high match" (72
centimorgans shared across 8 DNA segments). I am stumped why two siblings
would not have the same match numbers. The more I get into this the more
confusing it gets!
David Goldman
NYC


DNA Research #DNA Inconsistent Ancestry Results #dna

David Goldman
 

Greetings, all. Here is something I don't understand. Ancestry shows a young
relative whose great-great grandmother was an elder sister to my
grandfather. She is a "very high match" (49 centimorgans shared across 7 DNA
segments) whereas her own sister shows as an "extremely high match" (72
centimorgans shared across 8 DNA segments). I am stumped why two siblings
would not have the same match numbers. The more I get into this the more
confusing it gets!
David Goldman
NYC


Reminder of October's events #unitedkingdom

Raymond Montanjees
 

Fri 5th 10.30-3pm Our regular monthly Friday Library Session. 14,
Charterhouse Buildings. Goswell Rd. London EC1M 7BA. RSVP : Lydia Collins
at library@...

Sun 7th 2-6pm We will be holding, what has become a very successful
special event over the past few years, at our HQ (in the Lecture Room) at
the Society Of Genealogists 14, Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Rd. London
EC1M 7BA.
"Brick Walls & Brush Up" is JGSGB's annual workshop. Mentors will be on
hand to assist those who feel that they need a kick start and a tune up
with their researches. Our extensive Library will be open, computers set up,
refreshments provided and best of all, entrance is FREE !!! RSVPs to :
raymusik@....


Thur 18th 7.30-9.00pm An Education Evening.This time round -
'Getting the most out of Family Search.' Jeanette Rosenberg will be
holding another one of her successful Webinar sessions >from her home.
Contact Jeanette at : jeanette.r.rosenberg@... for further
details.

Sun 21st 2-5pm October's Eastern European Special Interest Group meeting
will welcome once again our Chairman Leigh Dworkin. Leigh will continue with
"The (Berko)wiczes of East Warsaw Part 4" Event will take place at the SOG
14, Charterhouse Buildings. Goswell Rd. London EC1M 7BA in their Lecture Room.

Sun 21st 2-5pm The monthly Sunday Library Session at 14, Charterhouse
Buildings Goswell Rd. London EC1M 7BA.
RSVP : Lydia Collins at library@...

Sun 28th. Event of the year. JGSGB's 25th Annual London One-Day Conference.
10.00-4.30 p.m. It will be held once again at the Jewish Museum, Raymond
Burton House, 129-131 Albert St. London NW1 7NB.
Full details of speakers and ticket application form, please refer to our
Newsletter and/or website. For even further inquiries, please contact JGS'
Secretary and Conference organizer, Martin Hill at
martin.hill44@...,

Raymond Montanjees
PROGRAMME COMMITTEE


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Reminder of October's events #unitedkingdom

Raymond Montanjees
 

Fri 5th 10.30-3pm Our regular monthly Friday Library Session. 14,
Charterhouse Buildings. Goswell Rd. London EC1M 7BA. RSVP : Lydia Collins
at library@...

Sun 7th 2-6pm We will be holding, what has become a very successful
special event over the past few years, at our HQ (in the Lecture Room) at
the Society Of Genealogists 14, Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Rd. London
EC1M 7BA.
"Brick Walls & Brush Up" is JGSGB's annual workshop. Mentors will be on
hand to assist those who feel that they need a kick start and a tune up
with their researches. Our extensive Library will be open, computers set up,
refreshments provided and best of all, entrance is FREE !!! RSVPs to :
raymusik@....


Thur 18th 7.30-9.00pm An Education Evening.This time round -
'Getting the most out of Family Search.' Jeanette Rosenberg will be
holding another one of her successful Webinar sessions >from her home.
Contact Jeanette at : jeanette.r.rosenberg@... for further
details.

Sun 21st 2-5pm October's Eastern European Special Interest Group meeting
will welcome once again our Chairman Leigh Dworkin. Leigh will continue with
"The (Berko)wiczes of East Warsaw Part 4" Event will take place at the SOG
14, Charterhouse Buildings. Goswell Rd. London EC1M 7BA in their Lecture Room.

Sun 21st 2-5pm The monthly Sunday Library Session at 14, Charterhouse
Buildings Goswell Rd. London EC1M 7BA.
RSVP : Lydia Collins at library@...

Sun 28th. Event of the year. JGSGB's 25th Annual London One-Day Conference.
10.00-4.30 p.m. It will be held once again at the Jewish Museum, Raymond
Burton House, 129-131 Albert St. London NW1 7NB.
Full details of speakers and ticket application form, please refer to our
Newsletter and/or website. For even further inquiries, please contact JGS'
Secretary and Conference organizer, Martin Hill at
martin.hill44@...,

Raymond Montanjees
PROGRAMME COMMITTEE


murder in a rabbinical family descendant in Vienna about 1924 #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

Trying to find out information, grave location, obituary or news item
of the day on Milek Blankstein, son of Emauel (Munya) Blankstein who
murdered in Vienna about 1924. He was married to Berta and had a year
old daughter at that time (Ruth). Berta remarried (to Yaakov Chazan
founder of the Mapam party in Israel) and lived in Israel. Milek was a
maternal grandson of Rabbi Aleksander Schmelkes (1823-89), son of
Rabbi Haim Samuel Schmelkes, a descendant of the Rokeah rabbinical
family.

--
Neil Rosenstein


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic murder in a rabbinical family descendant in Vienna about 1924 #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

Trying to find out information, grave location, obituary or news item
of the day on Milek Blankstein, son of Emauel (Munya) Blankstein who
murdered in Vienna about 1924. He was married to Berta and had a year
old daughter at that time (Ruth). Berta remarried (to Yaakov Chazan
founder of the Mapam party in Israel) and lived in Israel. Milek was a
maternal grandson of Rabbi Aleksander Schmelkes (1823-89), son of
Rabbi Haim Samuel Schmelkes, a descendant of the Rokeah rabbinical
family.

--
Neil Rosenstein


Re: FTDNA Family Finder #dna

Batya Olsen
 

This is not an FTDNA issue. This is a genealogy issue for any group
which has a history of intermarriage (ie: cousins marrying cousins.)
In any group that has limited candidates for marriage such as orthodox
Jews or Pacific Islanders or any isolated group, people may end up
marrying cousins - knowingly or unknowingly. Look up "endogamy".
(Sorry but I don't have the specific knowledge to explain this well.)
Endogamy means that our DNA matches often look closer than the actual
relation.

Batya Matzkin Olsen


DNA Research #DNA Re: FTDNA Family Finder #dna

Batya Olsen
 

This is not an FTDNA issue. This is a genealogy issue for any group
which has a history of intermarriage (ie: cousins marrying cousins.)
In any group that has limited candidates for marriage such as orthodox
Jews or Pacific Islanders or any isolated group, people may end up
marrying cousins - knowingly or unknowingly. Look up "endogamy".
(Sorry but I don't have the specific knowledge to explain this well.)
Endogamy means that our DNA matches often look closer than the actual
relation.

Batya Matzkin Olsen


Re: FTDNA Family Finder #dna

rayvenna@...
 

There are two issues at work here. One is endogamy. Jews have been
intermarrying for more than 2,000 years, so everyone is literally
related to everyone else. FTDNA's FamilyFinder accounts for this by
applying an "Ashkenazi filter" to the results which should prevent
people >from appearing closer than they actually are. However, if you
have enough double cousin matches, you're still going to get results
that appear to be closer than they actually are.

The other issue is that autosomal DNA looks at all your ancestors. A
3rd cousin match could be along any line. Most Ashkenazi Jews don't
know all 32 of their 4th-great-grandparents. In addition a "2nd cousin
twice removed" could also potentially show up as a 3rd cousin match
(it's happened in my family).

In my experience, the most effective way to narrow down these results
is to test multiple known cousins and use DNA triangulation to identify
which branch the new "2nd-3rd cousin" is related to. The more known
relatives you have (giving you more data points), the more accurate your
analysis is going to be. It gets insanely expensive, but it does work.
I've identified a number of new branches using this method.

FTDNA is continually adjusting its filter as more people put their trees
online, so their results will improve as people continue to test.

Mindie Kaplan
Baltimore, MD
Splaver and Entes FTDNA surname projects

----- Original Message -----
Hi, everybody I wish the Family Finder could explain better how their
system works. I contacted some of the 2nd-3rd cousin matches, but as
happened with the original FTDNA matches nothing "matches," not names, not
towns.
When I see results with the words 2nd-3rd cousins and looks like high
Centimorgans to segments I assumed it falls into place as it does in
Ancestry. I am told that there are distortions or exaggerations in the
Family Finder results, yet on the other hand we know that "DNA doesn't lie."
So as of right now I am a bit stumped.
David Goldman


DNA Research #DNA Re: FTDNA Family Finder #dna

rayvenna@...
 

There are two issues at work here. One is endogamy. Jews have been
intermarrying for more than 2,000 years, so everyone is literally
related to everyone else. FTDNA's FamilyFinder accounts for this by
applying an "Ashkenazi filter" to the results which should prevent
people >from appearing closer than they actually are. However, if you
have enough double cousin matches, you're still going to get results
that appear to be closer than they actually are.

The other issue is that autosomal DNA looks at all your ancestors. A
3rd cousin match could be along any line. Most Ashkenazi Jews don't
know all 32 of their 4th-great-grandparents. In addition a "2nd cousin
twice removed" could also potentially show up as a 3rd cousin match
(it's happened in my family).

In my experience, the most effective way to narrow down these results
is to test multiple known cousins and use DNA triangulation to identify
which branch the new "2nd-3rd cousin" is related to. The more known
relatives you have (giving you more data points), the more accurate your
analysis is going to be. It gets insanely expensive, but it does work.
I've identified a number of new branches using this method.

FTDNA is continually adjusting its filter as more people put their trees
online, so their results will improve as people continue to test.

Mindie Kaplan
Baltimore, MD
Splaver and Entes FTDNA surname projects

----- Original Message -----
Hi, everybody I wish the Family Finder could explain better how their
system works. I contacted some of the 2nd-3rd cousin matches, but as
happened with the original FTDNA matches nothing "matches," not names, not
towns.
When I see results with the words 2nd-3rd cousins and looks like high
Centimorgans to segments I assumed it falls into place as it does in
Ancestry. I am told that there are distortions or exaggerations in the
Family Finder results, yet on the other hand we know that "DNA doesn't lie."
So as of right now I am a bit stumped.
David Goldman


Files added to the Vilnius District Research Group #lithuania

Jill <ja324435@...>
 

I have just uploaded new files to the Vilnius District Research Group:
1795 Revision lists for Vilnius and Snipiskes and names of property
owners on an 1898 Vilnius historical map. These are in addition to the
thousands of records already available to qualifying contributors.

LitvakSig's Vilnius District Research Group translates records >from this
area and contributors to the Group have access as soon as the
translations are made. These Excel spread sheets can be downloaded to
your computer and you can sort the information any way you like - by
surname, by date, by first name, by town etc. Shtetls in the Vilnius
District are: Antakalnis, Bagaslaviskis, Bezdonys, Ciobiskis, Gelvonai,
Giedraiciai, Inturke, Jasiunai, Joniskes, Laibiskis, Maisiagala,
Mikhalishki, Moletai, Musninkai, Naujoji Vilna, Nemencine, Novygorod,
Paberze, Rudamina, Salcininkai, Sesuoliai, Sirvintos, Snipiskes,
Stundishki, Turgeliai, Vilnius City and Yakubantse.

Please contribute to our group and help us with this work. See the
LitvakSig website for more details about the Vilnius District Research
Group, or you're welcome to contact me directly.

https://www.litvaksig.org/research/district-research/vilnius-district-
research-group

Jill Anderson
Coordinator of the Vilnius District Research Group of LitvakSig
ja324435@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Files added to the Vilnius District Research Group #lithuania

Jill <ja324435@...>
 

I have just uploaded new files to the Vilnius District Research Group:
1795 Revision lists for Vilnius and Snipiskes and names of property
owners on an 1898 Vilnius historical map. These are in addition to the
thousands of records already available to qualifying contributors.

LitvakSig's Vilnius District Research Group translates records >from this
area and contributors to the Group have access as soon as the
translations are made. These Excel spread sheets can be downloaded to
your computer and you can sort the information any way you like - by
surname, by date, by first name, by town etc. Shtetls in the Vilnius
District are: Antakalnis, Bagaslaviskis, Bezdonys, Ciobiskis, Gelvonai,
Giedraiciai, Inturke, Jasiunai, Joniskes, Laibiskis, Maisiagala,
Mikhalishki, Moletai, Musninkai, Naujoji Vilna, Nemencine, Novygorod,
Paberze, Rudamina, Salcininkai, Sesuoliai, Sirvintos, Snipiskes,
Stundishki, Turgeliai, Vilnius City and Yakubantse.

Please contribute to our group and help us with this work. See the
LitvakSig website for more details about the Vilnius District Research
Group, or you're welcome to contact me directly.

https://www.litvaksig.org/research/district-research/vilnius-district-
research-group

Jill Anderson
Coordinator of the Vilnius District Research Group of LitvakSig
ja324435@...


This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #general

Bruce Drake <BDrake@...>
 

In addition to all of the narratives, histories and remembrances of shtetl
life one finds in Yizkor books, I always take pleasure in coming upon "real
-time" accounts of how life and business was conducted (and adjudicated) in
the Jewish towns of Europe. Such an excerpt is ">from the Community Records
of Korelitz" (Karelichy) in Belarus. Here you see how "community chiefs" and
others dealt with a woman who traveled with a non-Jew without a chaperone,
tailors who overcharged for their goods, the struggles - especially for
those not well-off - of the obligation to provide ceremonial meals after a
circumcision or what to do about a Jewish man caught with a married women in
a closed room.

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #general

Bruce Drake <BDrake@...>
 

In addition to all of the narratives, histories and remembrances of shtetl
life one finds in Yizkor books, I always take pleasure in coming upon "real
-time" accounts of how life and business was conducted (and adjudicated) in
the Jewish towns of Europe. Such an excerpt is ">from the Community Records
of Korelitz" (Karelichy) in Belarus. Here you see how "community chiefs" and
others dealt with a woman who traveled with a non-Jew without a chaperone,
tailors who overcharged for their goods, the struggles - especially for
those not well-off - of the obligation to provide ceremonial meals after a
circumcision or what to do about a Jewish man caught with a married women in
a closed room.

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

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