Does anyone have information on the Jewish boxing clubs in Lodz, circa
late 1920s to 1930s? My dad, Abraham SIEDLECKI (b. 1915) was a boxer in
one such club, but he cannot remember much these days.

Thanks,
Lynda Kraar

Does anyone have information on the Jewish boxing clubs in Lodz, circa
late 1920s to 1930s? My dad, Abraham SIEDLECKI (b. 1915) was a boxer in
one such club, but he cannot remember much these days.

Thanks,
Lynda Kraar

Thanks to all my respondents re: "Wlasowces" battalion.

To straighten the facts (as given in searches of the Internet):
The correct account was that this was a Russian organized group led by Gen.
Andreij Vaslov ("Hero of the Soviet Union") of the Soviet Russian army who
was later captured by US troops and handed over to Russia where he was tried
for treason and hung. His POW battalion collaborated with the Germans and
murdered many partisans, Jewish and non-Jewish, in an effort to defeat
Stalin's communist regime and on the way, kill some Jews. Ukrainian
partisans and bandits also joined this "army", but it was not, as I
mistakenly said, "an antisemitic Ukrainian army", but a rebel Russian one.
I apologize if I unintentionally offended anyone by my remark.

Large groups of these "Wlasowces" surrounded the forests in Poland in
cooperation with the German army and mercilessly killed any partisans and
Jews hiding there. When trapped in their bunkers, very few Jews managed to
escape alive even if they surrendered. This is corroborated by personal
testimony of survivors.

Avigdor Ben-Dov

RUTKIEWICZ, SOLARZ, NURZEC, SUSMAN, GOLDBERG, TABAK, WROBEL, KRASNOBORSKI
Ciechanowiec, Sokoly, Tykocin, Zaromb, Zambrow, Lomza, Sklody-Borowe, Bransk
and environs

Thanks to all my respondents re: "Wlasowces" battalion.

To straighten the facts (as given in searches of the Internet):
The correct account was that this was a Russian organized group led by Gen.
Andreij Vaslov ("Hero of the Soviet Union") of the Soviet Russian army who
was later captured by US troops and handed over to Russia where he was tried
for treason and hung. His POW battalion collaborated with the Germans and
murdered many partisans, Jewish and non-Jewish, in an effort to defeat
Stalin's communist regime and on the way, kill some Jews. Ukrainian
partisans and bandits also joined this "army", but it was not, as I
mistakenly said, "an antisemitic Ukrainian army", but a rebel Russian one.
I apologize if I unintentionally offended anyone by my remark.

Large groups of these "Wlasowces" surrounded the forests in Poland in
cooperation with the German army and mercilessly killed any partisans and
Jews hiding there. When trapped in their bunkers, very few Jews managed to
escape alive even if they surrendered. This is corroborated by personal
testimony of survivors.

Avigdor Ben-Dov

RUTKIEWICZ, SOLARZ, NURZEC, SUSMAN, GOLDBERG, TABAK, WROBEL, KRASNOBORSKI
Ciechanowiec, Sokoly, Tykocin, Zaromb, Zambrow, Lomza, Sklody-Borowe, Bransk
and environs

In recent contacts with Kaunas researchers to promote an interest in the
JewishGen Lithuania Internal Passport Project, 1919-1940, I am getting a
frequent response that one's family left Lithuania prior to 1919 and thus
would not be found in the internal passport records.

The purpose of this message is to try to dispel that particular myth. While
your immediate family may have emigrated >from Lithuania in the late 19th or
early 20th c., do not rule out the fact that your grandparents or great
grandparents may have had siblings who remained behind in Lithuania with
their families all the way up until the Shoah.

Even if your parents told you that none of your family was left behind,
don't necessarily believe them because they weren't/aren't genealogists.
When I first got into genealogy in 1993, one of the first questions I asked
my late father was if any of his father's GREENBLATT family members died in
the Holocaust. He gave me a flat-out no, but almost in the same breath he
said that he remembered that as a boy his family used to send packages and
bundles of clothing "over there", which my father helped wrap. His father
would receive letters in return (several of which have survived and are in
my possession), but after the war the letters stopped coming and my father
never wrapped packages for "over there" again.

In the years 1995 through 1997, through the listings in the Extraordinary
Soviet Commission Report at the Archives of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial
Museum in Washington, DC, and in speaking to non-Jewish oldtimers on visits
to my ancestral shtetl of Shat (Seta), Lithuania and to former Jewish
natives of Shat living in Israel and South Africa, I found out that my
great grandfather (who died in Kaunas in 1914) had a brother and sister who
remained in Shat right up until the Holocaust. Not only that, but they each
had 4 young adult offspring who also remained behind. In particular I was
told that one Yankele GREENBLATT (my grandfather's first cousin) perished
at the notorious Ninth Fort in Kaunas, along with his teenage son, Archik
(Aron). Yankele's father, Lipman GREENBLATT, who was known as "Lipe der
Schneider" and was my great grandfather's brother, is listed in the
aforementioned Extraordinary Soviet Commission Report. My great
grandfather's sister, Rochel GREENBLATT RAYZMAN and her husband Chaim Leyb
RAYZMAN (RICEMAN) lived in America at different points and the
aforementioned Yankele GREENBLATT briefly lived in Mexico City in the late
1920's, but sadly they all went back to Lithuania and met such a tragic
fate in the late summer of 1941.

250,000 Lithuanian Jews lost their lives during the Shoah. At least 50,000
Jews alone were killed at the Ninth Fort in Kaunas. They were not somebody
else's family. They were all our families! I would venture to say that
almost every single Lithuanian Jew who stayed behind had at least one
relative who immigrated to America, South Africa, Western Europe, or elsewhere.

The reason I support and promote the JewishGen Lithuania Internal Passport
project is so that the names and identities of previous unknown Lithuanian
Jewish Shoah victims can be uncovered and hopefully a Page of Testimony can
be subsequently filed for them at Yad Vashem. It's possible that the 20th
c. Lithuania Internal Passport records may be the only written
documentation of their existence.

Another reason why the internal passport files are so important is the
wealth of information contained in most of the files. One example is >from
the Rokiskis files - "He came >from Vilnius in 22 May 1930. Asked to prolong
his permission for staying in Lithuania several times. Studied at Vilnius
rabbinic seminary. Escaped to Lithuania avoiding to do the military service
in Polish Army. Lived in Rokiskis since 1933 Oct till 1938 May. In 1940 he
lived in Anyksciai".

So as not to give a false impression, while it can be assumed that the
majority of the people listed in these records later perished in the
Holocaust, not everyone did. My grandfather's cousin, Vandziogala-born
Ginde Leah VYUKER, nee LANGMAN, filed a Lithuanian Internal Passport
Application on 10 Oct 1920 in Kaunas. Two years later and newly widowed, on
8 Oct 1922 she immigrated to America with her 6 children to join her 6
siblings and their widowed mother in St. Paul, MN. She is listed in the
Ellis Island database as "Linda WINKER"; the name she assumed in Minnesota
was Anna Lena WINKER.

For further information about the JewishGen Lithuania Internal Passport
Project please go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/InternalPassports.htm.

Ada Green
adagreen@att.net

In recent contacts with Kaunas researchers to promote an interest in the
JewishGen Lithuania Internal Passport Project, 1919-1940, I am getting a
frequent response that one's family left Lithuania prior to 1919 and thus
would not be found in the internal passport records.

The purpose of this message is to try to dispel that particular myth. While
your immediate family may have emigrated >from Lithuania in the late 19th or
early 20th c., do not rule out the fact that your grandparents or great
grandparents may have had siblings who remained behind in Lithuania with
their families all the way up until the Shoah.

Even if your parents told you that none of your family was left behind,
don't necessarily believe them because they weren't/aren't genealogists.
When I first got into genealogy in 1993, one of the first questions I asked
my late father was if any of his father's GREENBLATT family members died in
the Holocaust. He gave me a flat-out no, but almost in the same breath he
said that he remembered that as a boy his family used to send packages and
bundles of clothing "over there", which my father helped wrap. His father
would receive letters in return (several of which have survived and are in
my possession), but after the war the letters stopped coming and my father
never wrapped packages for "over there" again.

In the years 1995 through 1997, through the listings in the Extraordinary
Soviet Commission Report at the Archives of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial
Museum in Washington, DC, and in speaking to non-Jewish oldtimers on visits
to my ancestral shtetl of Shat (Seta), Lithuania and to former Jewish
natives of Shat living in Israel and South Africa, I found out that my
great grandfather (who died in Kaunas in 1914) had a brother and sister who
remained in Shat right up until the Holocaust. Not only that, but they each
had 4 young adult offspring who also remained behind. In particular I was
told that one Yankele GREENBLATT (my grandfather's first cousin) perished
at the notorious Ninth Fort in Kaunas, along with his teenage son, Archik
(Aron). Yankele's father, Lipman GREENBLATT, who was known as "Lipe der
Schneider" and was my great grandfather's brother, is listed in the
aforementioned Extraordinary Soviet Commission Report. My great
grandfather's sister, Rochel GREENBLATT RAYZMAN and her husband Chaim Leyb
RAYZMAN (RICEMAN) lived in America at different points and the
aforementioned Yankele GREENBLATT briefly lived in Mexico City in the late
1920's, but sadly they all went back to Lithuania and met such a tragic
fate in the late summer of 1941.

250,000 Lithuanian Jews lost their lives during the Shoah. At least 50,000
Jews alone were killed at the Ninth Fort in Kaunas. They were not somebody
else's family. They were all our families! I would venture to say that
almost every single Lithuanian Jew who stayed behind had at least one
relative who immigrated to America, South Africa, Western Europe, or elsewhere.

The reason I support and promote the JewishGen Lithuania Internal Passport
project is so that the names and identities of previous unknown Lithuanian
Jewish Shoah victims can be uncovered and hopefully a Page of Testimony can
be subsequently filed for them at Yad Vashem. It's possible that the 20th
c. Lithuania Internal Passport records may be the only written
documentation of their existence.

Another reason why the internal passport files are so important is the
wealth of information contained in most of the files. One example is >from
the Rokiskis files - "He came >from Vilnius in 22 May 1930. Asked to prolong
his permission for staying in Lithuania several times. Studied at Vilnius
rabbinic seminary. Escaped to Lithuania avoiding to do the military service
in Polish Army. Lived in Rokiskis since 1933 Oct till 1938 May. In 1940 he
lived in Anyksciai".

So as not to give a false impression, while it can be assumed that the
majority of the people listed in these records later perished in the
Holocaust, not everyone did. My grandfather's cousin, Vandziogala-born
Ginde Leah VYUKER, nee LANGMAN, filed a Lithuanian Internal Passport
Application on 10 Oct 1920 in Kaunas. Two years later and newly widowed, on
8 Oct 1922 she immigrated to America with her 6 children to join her 6
siblings and their widowed mother in St. Paul, MN. She is listed in the
Ellis Island database as "Linda WINKER"; the name she assumed in Minnesota
was Anna Lena WINKER.

For further information about the JewishGen Lithuania Internal Passport
Project please go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/InternalPassports.htm.

Ada Green
adagreen@att.net

Michael Bernet asked if there is any connection between a Jewish BONDI
family member and Bondi Beach in Australia.

It is my understanding that the source of the word Bondi, in the name of
famous Bondi Beach, is an aboriginal word meaning sound of tumbling waters
and thus has no connection with any BONDI family. There is also a small
French town called Bondy or Bondi. But whether this name has any connection
with a BONDI family is something I do not know.

Anne Feder Lee
Honolulu, HI
Searching BONDI >from Prague and Vienna.

Michael Bernet asked if there is any connection between a Jewish BONDI
family member and Bondi Beach in Australia.

It is my understanding that the source of the word Bondi, in the name of
famous Bondi Beach, is an aboriginal word meaning sound of tumbling waters
and thus has no connection with any BONDI family. There is also a small
French town called Bondy or Bondi. But whether this name has any connection
with a BONDI family is something I do not know.

Anne Feder Lee
Honolulu, HI
Searching BONDI >from Prague and Vienna.

Mount Hebron Cemetery, New York City has a data base to look up internments
by name or by society. Their interment search allows for a comprehensive
search of all individuals buried at the cemetery.

http://www.mounthebroncemetery.com/search.asp?type=interment

If you know of other cemeteries that have an internment search please e-mail
them to me.

Allan Dolgow
West Sacramento, CA

MODERATOR NOTE: Google does not produce many results of use to Jewish genealogists

Mount Hebron Cemetery, New York City has a data base to look up internments
by name or by society. Their interment search allows for a comprehensive
search of all individuals buried at the cemetery.

http://www.mounthebroncemetery.com/search.asp?type=interment

If you know of other cemeteries that have an internment search please e-mail
them to me.

Allan Dolgow
West Sacramento, CA

MODERATOR NOTE: Google does not produce many results of use to Jewish genealogists

It is reassuring news that the International Tracing Service will open
their record collection.
How soon can we expect to be able to search the data on line???

They will need thousands of people to transcribe the data into digital
format. I am willing to help. How do we get started?

Hans H. Nord Philadelphia area <hhnord@dca.net>

MODERATOR NOTE: The ITS records concern victims >from many countries. This topic
should be discussed in the JGDG ( JewishGen Discussion Group ). Please reply
to Mr. Nord privately and subscribe to the JGDG for further discussion of this.
GerSIG members interested in *** leading *** any new GerSIG
project related to the ITS records can write to gersig@aol.com

It is reassuring news that the International Tracing Service will open
their record collection.
How soon can we expect to be able to search the data on line???

They will need thousands of people to transcribe the data into digital
format. I am willing to help. How do we get started?

Hans H. Nord Philadelphia area <hhnord@dca.net>

MODERATOR NOTE: The ITS records concern victims >from many countries. This topic
should be discussed in the JGDG ( JewishGen Discussion Group ). Please reply
to Mr. Nord privately and subscribe to the JGDG for further discussion of this.
GerSIG members interested in *** leading *** any new GerSIG
project related to the ITS records can write to gersig@aol.com

When searching the 1926/1927, 1928, 1929, or 1930 Poland and Danzig Business
Directories at www.kalter.org/search, search results are now organized
according to geographic region (e.g., Wojewodztwa Tarnopolskie, Wilenskie,
Wolynskie, etc.). This should make it easier to identify relevant results
when many matches to the search term are returned.

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.

When searching the 1926/1927, 1928, 1929, or 1930 Poland and Danzig Business
Directories at www.kalter.org/search, search results are now organized
according to geographic region (e.g., Wojewodztwa Tarnopolskie, Wilenskie,
Wolynskie, etc.). This should make it easier to identify relevant results
when many matches to the search term are returned.

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.

It all depends if you have initial information on the land. If you have the
numbers for Parcel/Section - then you can first find out in which land
registry office the information is held.
The following link will help you find out in which office the records are,
by entering Parcel/Section numbers:

http://www.justice.gov.il/MOJHeb/HagafLrishomMekakein/LeskotRishomHamkarkein/
calc.htm

List (in Hebrew) of land registry offices and contact information (9 offices
all over Israel) can be found at:

http://www.justice.gov.il/MOJHeb/HagafLrishomMekakein/LeskotRishomHamkarkein/
YeziratKesherLishkotHarishum.htm

By approaching the land registry office you will be able to get an extract

from the registry (computerized). This is open to everybody, and subject to

a 59 NIS fee. Extracts may be ordered through the Internet as well, in a few
commercial sites.

By a special request, you may get an "Historical extract" that will show you
who the previous owners of the property were. Since you want to go back to
the 1930's, they will be able to provide you with a photocopy of the
original books, that were written by hand during the British Mandate.

If you can establish sufficient close relationship with the owners (Probate
Order and such) then according to the Land (Registration) Regulations you
will be allowed to have a copy of the Deed, according to which the
transaction was done. The Deed will provide the names of the parties, the
remuneration, a description of the property and sometimes it will provide
the name of the lawyer and/or proxy who were involved in the transaction.

Looking at the file will reveal a power of attorney, if the person did not
execute the transaction by himself.

If you have no information over the property and have just general
information ("family lore" etc.) and it is probable that your relatives
never got to Israel, you can check with the Administrator General's office,
if the property is held by the Administrator General. You can do this by
sending an email to Mr. Aharon Shindler at the Ministry of Justice in
Jerusalem:
For introduction in English at the Ministry of Justice office, see:
http://www.justice.gov.il/MOJEng/AdministratorGeneral/

Absentee Inquiry Form may be downloaded here:
http://www.justice.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/2BDAEF3C-C1B6-4A7B-AA46-
7D617933BF40/0/tofesEnglish.doc

In the form you will see Mr. Shindler's email address.

When you write to the Administrator General, it would be best to tell them
the name of the person who bought the property and to have your documents
ready, since they may require additional information.

By the way, There is no estate (legacies) tax in Israel.

Rony Golan
Ramat Hasharon, Israel

Subject: Re: Land purchase records in Israel in the 1930s
From: "Mathilde Tagger" <tagger@actcom.co.il>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:40:08 +0200
X-Message-Number: 19

Hi Shoshana,
You wrote:
Members of my family purchased land in Israel in the 1930s. The purchases
were done >from the States.
I'm not interested in the land (back taxes < g >) but I'm interested in the
information available in the documents.Is there any way to track these
documents?
-------->
With a simple search on Google for the Israeli Ministry of Justice at:
http://www.justice.gov.il/mojHeb/ , I got the email of a person in charge at
the cadastre (land register) which is: ilanag@justice.gov.il .
You can also call the department of legacies (veaadat haezvonot) or first
read the details at: http://www.justice.gov.il/MOJHeb/VaadatEzvonot/.

A part of the website of the Ministry of Justice is in English but the
Cadastre and the Department of Legacies are not included.

Good luck,

Mathilde Tagger
Jerusalem

It all depends if you have initial information on the land. If you have the
numbers for Parcel/Section - then you can first find out in which land
registry office the information is held.
The following link will help you find out in which office the records are,
by entering Parcel/Section numbers:

http://www.justice.gov.il/MOJHeb/HagafLrishomMekakein/LeskotRishomHamkarkein/
calc.htm

List (in Hebrew) of land registry offices and contact information (9 offices
all over Israel) can be found at:

http://www.justice.gov.il/MOJHeb/HagafLrishomMekakein/LeskotRishomHamkarkein/
YeziratKesherLishkotHarishum.htm

By approaching the land registry office you will be able to get an extract

from the registry (computerized). This is open to everybody, and subject to

a 59 NIS fee. Extracts may be ordered through the Internet as well, in a few
commercial sites.

By a special request, you may get an "Historical extract" that will show you
who the previous owners of the property were. Since you want to go back to
the 1930's, they will be able to provide you with a photocopy of the
original books, that were written by hand during the British Mandate.

If you can establish sufficient close relationship with the owners (Probate
Order and such) then according to the Land (Registration) Regulations you
will be allowed to have a copy of the Deed, according to which the
transaction was done. The Deed will provide the names of the parties, the
remuneration, a description of the property and sometimes it will provide
the name of the lawyer and/or proxy who were involved in the transaction.

Looking at the file will reveal a power of attorney, if the person did not
execute the transaction by himself.

If you have no information over the property and have just general
information ("family lore" etc.) and it is probable that your relatives
never got to Israel, you can check with the Administrator General's office,
if the property is held by the Administrator General. You can do this by
sending an email to Mr. Aharon Shindler at the Ministry of Justice in
Jerusalem:
For introduction in English at the Ministry of Justice office, see:
http://www.justice.gov.il/MOJEng/AdministratorGeneral/

Absentee Inquiry Form may be downloaded here:
http://www.justice.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/2BDAEF3C-C1B6-4A7B-AA46-
7D617933BF40/0/tofesEnglish.doc

In the form you will see Mr. Shindler's email address.

When you write to the Administrator General, it would be best to tell them
the name of the person who bought the property and to have your documents
ready, since they may require additional information.

By the way, There is no estate (legacies) tax in Israel.

Rony Golan
Ramat Hasharon, Israel

Subject: Re: Land purchase records in Israel in the 1930s
From: "Mathilde Tagger" <tagger@actcom.co.il>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:40:08 +0200
X-Message-Number: 19

Hi Shoshana,
You wrote:
Members of my family purchased land in Israel in the 1930s. The purchases
were done >from the States.
I'm not interested in the land (back taxes < g >) but I'm interested in the
information available in the documents.Is there any way to track these
documents?
-------->
With a simple search on Google for the Israeli Ministry of Justice at:
http://www.justice.gov.il/mojHeb/ , I got the email of a person in charge at
the cadastre (land register) which is: ilanag@justice.gov.il .
You can also call the department of legacies (veaadat haezvonot) or first
read the details at: http://www.justice.gov.il/MOJHeb/VaadatEzvonot/.

A part of the website of the Ministry of Justice is in English but the
Cadastre and the Department of Legacies are not included.

Good luck,

Mathilde Tagger
Jerusalem

Does anyone have information on the Jewish boxing clubs in Lodz, circa
late 1920s to 1930s? My dad, Abraham Siedlecki (b. 1915) was a boxer in
one such club, but he cannot remember much these days.

Thanks,
Lynda Kraar

When searching the 1926/1927, 1928, 1929, or 1930 Poland and Danzig Business
Directories at www.kalter.org/search, search results are now organized
according to geographic region (e.g., Wojewodztwa Tarnopolskie, Wilenskie,
Wolynskie, etc.). This should make it easier to identify relevant results
when many matches to the search term are returned.

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.

Does anyone have information on the Jewish boxing clubs in Lodz, circa
late 1920s to 1930s? My dad, Abraham Siedlecki (b. 1915) was a boxer in
one such club, but he cannot remember much these days.

Thanks,
Lynda Kraar

When searching the 1926/1927, 1928, 1929, or 1930 Poland and Danzig Business
Directories at www.kalter.org/search, search results are now organized
according to geographic region (e.g., Wojewodztwa Tarnopolskie, Wilenskie,
Wolynskie, etc.). This should make it easier to identify relevant results
when many matches to the search term are returned.

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.