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general store in Satoraljauhely #hungary

Judi Wagner
 

I am presently taking a class on JewishGen and my professor suggested I
write and see if anyone has any knowledge of a general store in
Satoraljauhely owned by the KLEIN family in the early 1900's. My
greatgrandfather was Yehuda Lieb (Louis or Lajos) KLEIN, and my grandmother,
Tovah (Etel) KLEIN worked there as a child before she came to the US in
1921. I was also told by my grandmother that the mountains started at the
end of their street, although I have no address. Thank you in advance for
any suggestions.

udi Wagner
Lake Worth, FL


Hungary SIG #Hungary general store in Satoraljauhely #hungary

Judi Wagner
 

I am presently taking a class on JewishGen and my professor suggested I
write and see if anyone has any knowledge of a general store in
Satoraljauhely owned by the KLEIN family in the early 1900's. My
greatgrandfather was Yehuda Lieb (Louis or Lajos) KLEIN, and my grandmother,
Tovah (Etel) KLEIN worked there as a child before she came to the US in
1921. I was also told by my grandmother that the mountains started at the
end of their street, although I have no address. Thank you in advance for
any suggestions.

udi Wagner
Lake Worth, FL


property records for Vyskovo Ukraine (was Visk, Maramaros Hungary) Gaspary Neuwalder family #hungary

sparkygold2@...
 

Hi everyone,
Thanks to H-sig, we just returned >from a fantastic trip to Budapest and
Debrecen helped lots by Michael Taub (Sydney, Australia) and our guides and
interpreters, brother and sister, Dora and Kristof Pataricza, (Budapest),
and found lots of family addresses and graves. Now I want to return in 2013
and find the farm that the Gaspary family owned sometime >from 1890 and 1930
in what was Visk, Maramaros, Hungary in the Carpathian Mountains, now
Vyshkovo, Ukraine. The farm was large, had a number of tenant farmers. The
family's primary residence was in Debrecen and later Budapest, but they
spent summers in Visk. Is there anyone who could assist me with this search?
Warm Regards

Ann Wunsch

Sydney, Australia

Moderator: Off-list please unless response is of general Interest.


Hungary SIG #Hungary property records for Vyskovo Ukraine (was Visk, Maramaros Hungary) Gaspary Neuwalder family #hungary

sparkygold2@...
 

Hi everyone,
Thanks to H-sig, we just returned >from a fantastic trip to Budapest and
Debrecen helped lots by Michael Taub (Sydney, Australia) and our guides and
interpreters, brother and sister, Dora and Kristof Pataricza, (Budapest),
and found lots of family addresses and graves. Now I want to return in 2013
and find the farm that the Gaspary family owned sometime >from 1890 and 1930
in what was Visk, Maramaros, Hungary in the Carpathian Mountains, now
Vyshkovo, Ukraine. The farm was large, had a number of tenant farmers. The
family's primary residence was in Debrecen and later Budapest, but they
spent summers in Visk. Is there anyone who could assist me with this search?
Warm Regards

Ann Wunsch

Sydney, Australia

Moderator: Off-list please unless response is of general Interest.


Re: Kotesova, Slovakia Records #hungary

tom
 

since you mentioned that it's your first time working with microfilm,
i thought i'd give you a couple of tips, which may, or may not, help.

i found that it took me about 2 hours to scan through a roll (i was
looking for a very specific item, the birth record of my grandfather
in bekescsaba), so it's best to budget at least that much time (or a
little more if you expect a lot of "hits"), because it's a nuisance
to have to refind your place, etc. i found the terminology on the
title frames confusing, and not very helpful for "navigation".
(hint: you have to read the label very carefully, and note that they
seem to include an ending title, even if they don't explicitly say:
"start" and "end".)

i found myself chasing a lot of "rabbits", since KLEIN is a very
common name (there were 4 different KLEIN families having babies at
the same time in the same town, pretty much every year, with some
appearing consecutively in the register, one of the fathers was named
"mor" and the other "moritz", with different wives). and there was
more than one congregation, starting with a unified "status quo"
community, >from which an "orthodox" group broke away, each with its
own b/m/d registration.

and i also found that there were two "official" registers on the
films, with slightly *different* information. (one was probably the
real, local registration, and the other for reporting to the central
government. the differences in dates of birth were most likely
copying errors, since there was no obvious reason to shift a date of
birth by 10 days.) but since i was looking for just one bit of
information (the hebrew name), on one single entry, i had to look
through ALL the (jewish) registers for the town. it's best to try to
look through all the records, because there are inconsistencies among
what are supposedly duplicates.

good luck,


....... tom klein, toronto

cyndi@norwitz.net wrote:

Hi all. On Sept 30th I posted asking for help finding a marriage
record. I got several good responses, including someone pointing me
to the film where the marriage record should be. I ordered it >from
LDS and it came in a couple days ago. I plan to head over in the next
few weeks, probably more than once.

This is my first time working with film, and I can't be certain the
records will be easy to deal with. But if anyone is looking for
something, I will keep my eyes open. I can make a scan or a print out
for 25 cents a page (will do scans if I can get my USB stick to work).


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Kotesova, Slovakia Records #hungary

tom
 

since you mentioned that it's your first time working with microfilm,
i thought i'd give you a couple of tips, which may, or may not, help.

i found that it took me about 2 hours to scan through a roll (i was
looking for a very specific item, the birth record of my grandfather
in bekescsaba), so it's best to budget at least that much time (or a
little more if you expect a lot of "hits"), because it's a nuisance
to have to refind your place, etc. i found the terminology on the
title frames confusing, and not very helpful for "navigation".
(hint: you have to read the label very carefully, and note that they
seem to include an ending title, even if they don't explicitly say:
"start" and "end".)

i found myself chasing a lot of "rabbits", since KLEIN is a very
common name (there were 4 different KLEIN families having babies at
the same time in the same town, pretty much every year, with some
appearing consecutively in the register, one of the fathers was named
"mor" and the other "moritz", with different wives). and there was
more than one congregation, starting with a unified "status quo"
community, >from which an "orthodox" group broke away, each with its
own b/m/d registration.

and i also found that there were two "official" registers on the
films, with slightly *different* information. (one was probably the
real, local registration, and the other for reporting to the central
government. the differences in dates of birth were most likely
copying errors, since there was no obvious reason to shift a date of
birth by 10 days.) but since i was looking for just one bit of
information (the hebrew name), on one single entry, i had to look
through ALL the (jewish) registers for the town. it's best to try to
look through all the records, because there are inconsistencies among
what are supposedly duplicates.

good luck,


....... tom klein, toronto

cyndi@norwitz.net wrote:

Hi all. On Sept 30th I posted asking for help finding a marriage
record. I got several good responses, including someone pointing me
to the film where the marriage record should be. I ordered it >from
LDS and it came in a couple days ago. I plan to head over in the next
few weeks, probably more than once.

This is my first time working with film, and I can't be certain the
records will be easy to deal with. But if anyone is looking for
something, I will keep my eyes open. I can make a scan or a print out
for 25 cents a page (will do scans if I can get my USB stick to work).


German Jews in Hungary & Slovakia #hungary

nanophotonic@...
 

Does any know if German-Jews lived in Greater Hungary as well as Slovakia?

My Great-Grandfather's story is very mysterious he never would discuss his family but he did always
say he was a German-Jew.

Though now after he said in the 1920 U.S. Census that his Parents were >from Germany and that he was born in Germany.

Thanks to Lars Menk in Berlin we have found evidence that he might have been >from Slovakia.

And that his name was more correctly Stefan Pollask Obert.

With kind regards all,

Marcus Poulin

nanophotonic@comcast.net

Spokane Valley, Washington, USA.


Hungary SIG #Hungary German Jews in Hungary & Slovakia #hungary

nanophotonic@...
 

Does any know if German-Jews lived in Greater Hungary as well as Slovakia?

My Great-Grandfather's story is very mysterious he never would discuss his family but he did always
say he was a German-Jew.

Though now after he said in the 1920 U.S. Census that his Parents were >from Germany and that he was born in Germany.

Thanks to Lars Menk in Berlin we have found evidence that he might have been >from Slovakia.

And that his name was more correctly Stefan Pollask Obert.

With kind regards all,

Marcus Poulin

nanophotonic@comcast.net

Spokane Valley, Washington, USA.


Book ~ "Who Once Was - The Jewish Bourgeoisie of Vienna 1800-1938, Vol. I" #austria-czech

vrederun@...
 

I heard today of a new Book on the Jews of Vienna.

The book is called "Wer EinmalL War - Das juedische Grossbuergertum Wiens
1800-1938" / "Who Once Was - The Jewish Bourgeoisie of Vienna
1800-1938, Vol. I" by George Gaugusch.

This is the first book with surnames between "A --> K" only.

It is written in German.

"The first volume, published in November 2011 by the
Amalthea-Publisher, includes the letters A - K, contains approximately
1,700 pages, and deals with ca. 250 families. You will find more
information under the following web page www.jewishfamilies.at "

Stacye Mehard

Virginia


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Book ~ "Who Once Was - The Jewish Bourgeoisie of Vienna 1800-1938, Vol. I" #austria-czech

vrederun@...
 

I heard today of a new Book on the Jews of Vienna.

The book is called "Wer EinmalL War - Das juedische Grossbuergertum Wiens
1800-1938" / "Who Once Was - The Jewish Bourgeoisie of Vienna
1800-1938, Vol. I" by George Gaugusch.

This is the first book with surnames between "A --> K" only.

It is written in German.

"The first volume, published in November 2011 by the
Amalthea-Publisher, includes the letters A - K, contains approximately
1,700 pages, and deals with ca. 250 families. You will find more
information under the following web page www.jewishfamilies.at "

Stacye Mehard

Virginia


Troskunai Internal Passport file uploaded to the Ukmerge DRG Shutterfly site #lithuania

Roy Ogus
 

The set of Troskunai Internal Passport records (1920 - 1938), containing
505 records, has been uploaded to the Ukmerge DRG Shutterfly site. The
Troskunai file complements the Ukmerge City (5,831 records) and Utena
Internal Passport (5,686 records) collections which were previously
distributed to members of the DRG.

A reminder that the Internal Passport records have been made available to
the Ukmerge District Research Group through a cooperative arrangement
with Howard Margol's Internal Passport project.

You can learn more about the Ukmerge District Research group, including
the towns that are included in the district at:

http://ukmerge.shutterfly.com

If you are researching any of the towns in Ukmerge District, I would
again like to encourage you to make a contribution to support our record
translation efforts. To make a contribution to the group, please go to:

http://www.litvaksig.org/contribute

and select the Ukmerge group on the District Research Group line of
the table.

A qualifying contribution requires a donation of at least $100 to help
defray the cost of translations, but smaller amounts are always welcome
as well.

Please let me know if you have any questions or need more information about
the group.

Many thanks!

Roy Ogus
Ukmerge Research District Coordinator, LitvakSIG
r_ogus at hotmail.com


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Troskunai Internal Passport file uploaded to the Ukmerge DRG Shutterfly site #lithuania

Roy Ogus
 

The set of Troskunai Internal Passport records (1920 - 1938), containing
505 records, has been uploaded to the Ukmerge DRG Shutterfly site. The
Troskunai file complements the Ukmerge City (5,831 records) and Utena
Internal Passport (5,686 records) collections which were previously
distributed to members of the DRG.

A reminder that the Internal Passport records have been made available to
the Ukmerge District Research Group through a cooperative arrangement
with Howard Margol's Internal Passport project.

You can learn more about the Ukmerge District Research group, including
the towns that are included in the district at:

http://ukmerge.shutterfly.com

If you are researching any of the towns in Ukmerge District, I would
again like to encourage you to make a contribution to support our record
translation efforts. To make a contribution to the group, please go to:

http://www.litvaksig.org/contribute

and select the Ukmerge group on the District Research Group line of
the table.

A qualifying contribution requires a donation of at least $100 to help
defray the cost of translations, but smaller amounts are always welcome
as well.

Please let me know if you have any questions or need more information about
the group.

Many thanks!

Roy Ogus
Ukmerge Research District Coordinator, LitvakSIG
r_ogus at hotmail.com


Vienna hospital, am Steinhof #austria-czech

Robert Fraser
 

Dear Friends -

I read about a year ago on this list (sorry, can't currently
locate the original email) that it was possible to contact
the hospital 'am Steinhof' iin Vienna for information on
people who died there.

It is believed that a great-aunt was a mental patient at am
Steinhof, (now called Otto Wagner Spital, I believe? ) and
may have been a victim of 'experiments' carried out during
the nazi era. I have no information apart >from name and date
of birth, and she cannot be found at many other databases
I've searched - genteam, DoeW etc.

I emailed the hospital at the address given, but it bounced.
The address I was given was

office@gedenkstaettesteinhof.at

Any updates or other helpful suggestions welcomed.

Regards -

Robert Fraser
Perth, Western Australia
Researching:
NOWAK; Moravia, Austria, USA and the world: EISINGER;
Moravia, Vienna, USA and the world
NAGEL; Moravia, Vienna, New York: FINKELSTEIN; Galicia,
Vienna
WORTMANN; Slovakia, USA: KRAUTERBLUTH; Poland, ?


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Vienna hospital, am Steinhof #austria-czech

Robert Fraser
 

Dear Friends -

I read about a year ago on this list (sorry, can't currently
locate the original email) that it was possible to contact
the hospital 'am Steinhof' iin Vienna for information on
people who died there.

It is believed that a great-aunt was a mental patient at am
Steinhof, (now called Otto Wagner Spital, I believe? ) and
may have been a victim of 'experiments' carried out during
the nazi era. I have no information apart >from name and date
of birth, and she cannot be found at many other databases
I've searched - genteam, DoeW etc.

I emailed the hospital at the address given, but it bounced.
The address I was given was

office@gedenkstaettesteinhof.at

Any updates or other helpful suggestions welcomed.

Regards -

Robert Fraser
Perth, Western Australia
Researching:
NOWAK; Moravia, Austria, USA and the world: EISINGER;
Moravia, Vienna, USA and the world
NAGEL; Moravia, Vienna, New York: FINKELSTEIN; Galicia,
Vienna
WORTMANN; Slovakia, USA: KRAUTERBLUTH; Poland, ?


new update on GenTeam #austria-czech

Traude Triebel
 

More than 300.000 new records on www.genteam.at
(GenTeam is free of charge, non-profit oriented, and not tied to any
membership fees. GenTeam is an association of historians and genealogists, who work,
independently or as a team, on databases, and these databases are passed on,
free of charge, to all researchers)

Index of the Book: Wer einmal war (Who once was) by Georg Gaugusch
This database is a register of names >from the book by Georg Gaugusch,
Wereinmal war, the Jewish Upper Class of Vienna 1800-1938. The first volume,
published in November 2011 by the Amalthea-Publisher, includes the letters A
- K, contains approximately 1,700 pages, and deals with ca. 250 families.
You will find more information under the following web page
www.jewishfamilies.at

Obituaries of the Prag Daily Newspaper (Prager Tagblatt)
Once the death announcements >from the Neuen Freien Presse as well those of
the Pester Lloyd could be found on GenTeam, a team was able to review
another important daily newspaper of the Monarchy, the Prager Tagblatt,
between 1877 and 1938, and furnished all as a database to GenTeam

Lodges Members of divers Lodges 1785 -1931
Members of additional Johannislodges and Bnai Brith Lodges in Vienna,
Prag, Elbersfeld, Coblenz, Neudoerfl an der Leitha, Oedenburg, Sagan, Gera and
Weida were added. Surnames and first names are listed, as well as,
according to Lodge, professions, work and private addresses, date of
membership, and date of death of already deceased members

Persons Index for Papers and Documents >from the City Archives
Steyr, Upper Austria
This database reviewed and furnished by Engineer Pabinger contains
references to persons in many sources of the City Archive Steyr. There are,
for example, Council Protocols, the Iron Trail Archive, diverse Calendars
and Newspapers, Indices of Persons >from Marriage Petitions or Death
Announcements, Gazettes, etc. between 1824 - 2011 with data of persons for
the years 1088 and 2011

1. New Indices >from Catholic matrices >from Lower and Upper Austria,
Burgenland, Styria, as well as marriage testimonials >from Bayreuth
>from 1673 - 1915
2. New Indices >from manorial records in Upper Austria and Czech
Republic 1370 -1848
3. New: Obituaries of the Prager Tagblattes (Prag Daily Newspaper)
1877 - 1938
4. New: Obituaries >from different Tyrolean daily newspapers
1815 - 1819
5. Lodges members of various lodges 1785 - 1931
6. New: Index >from the city archive Steyr, Upper Austria 1088-2011
(Sources 1824 - 2011)
7. New: Index of the book Who Once Was (Wer einmal war)
the Jewish Upper Class of Vienna 1800-1938, by Georg Gaugusch


Traude Triebel
A-2700 Wr.Neustadt


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech new update on GenTeam #austria-czech

Traude Triebel
 

More than 300.000 new records on www.genteam.at
(GenTeam is free of charge, non-profit oriented, and not tied to any
membership fees. GenTeam is an association of historians and genealogists, who work,
independently or as a team, on databases, and these databases are passed on,
free of charge, to all researchers)

Index of the Book: Wer einmal war (Who once was) by Georg Gaugusch
This database is a register of names >from the book by Georg Gaugusch,
Wereinmal war, the Jewish Upper Class of Vienna 1800-1938. The first volume,
published in November 2011 by the Amalthea-Publisher, includes the letters A
- K, contains approximately 1,700 pages, and deals with ca. 250 families.
You will find more information under the following web page
www.jewishfamilies.at

Obituaries of the Prag Daily Newspaper (Prager Tagblatt)
Once the death announcements >from the Neuen Freien Presse as well those of
the Pester Lloyd could be found on GenTeam, a team was able to review
another important daily newspaper of the Monarchy, the Prager Tagblatt,
between 1877 and 1938, and furnished all as a database to GenTeam

Lodges Members of divers Lodges 1785 -1931
Members of additional Johannislodges and Bnai Brith Lodges in Vienna,
Prag, Elbersfeld, Coblenz, Neudoerfl an der Leitha, Oedenburg, Sagan, Gera and
Weida were added. Surnames and first names are listed, as well as,
according to Lodge, professions, work and private addresses, date of
membership, and date of death of already deceased members

Persons Index for Papers and Documents >from the City Archives
Steyr, Upper Austria
This database reviewed and furnished by Engineer Pabinger contains
references to persons in many sources of the City Archive Steyr. There are,
for example, Council Protocols, the Iron Trail Archive, diverse Calendars
and Newspapers, Indices of Persons >from Marriage Petitions or Death
Announcements, Gazettes, etc. between 1824 - 2011 with data of persons for
the years 1088 and 2011

1. New Indices >from Catholic matrices >from Lower and Upper Austria,
Burgenland, Styria, as well as marriage testimonials >from Bayreuth
>from 1673 - 1915
2. New Indices >from manorial records in Upper Austria and Czech
Republic 1370 -1848
3. New: Obituaries of the Prager Tagblattes (Prag Daily Newspaper)
1877 - 1938
4. New: Obituaries >from different Tyrolean daily newspapers
1815 - 1819
5. Lodges members of various lodges 1785 - 1931
6. New: Index >from the city archive Steyr, Upper Austria 1088-2011
(Sources 1824 - 2011)
7. New: Index of the book Who Once Was (Wer einmal war)
the Jewish Upper Class of Vienna 1800-1938, by Georg Gaugusch


Traude Triebel
A-2700 Wr.Neustadt


Peitchner=Piotrkow or Pinczow? #lodz #poland

sbloom@...
 

Hi-

Probably just the town of Piotrkow itself, full name now is Piotrkow
Tribunalski. Its very close to Lodz,
and had a high Jewish population, and was a center of Jewish learning
and publication. I suppose there are
other possibilities, such as Pinczow.

You might want to do a JRI-Poland search, and just see which towns
near Lodz come up with family names similar to yours
(assuming you know the names or have a good guess).


Steve Bloom
Central Virginia


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Peitchner=Piotrkow or Pinczow? #lodz #poland

sbloom@...
 

Hi-

Probably just the town of Piotrkow itself, full name now is Piotrkow
Tribunalski. Its very close to Lodz,
and had a high Jewish population, and was a center of Jewish learning
and publication. I suppose there are
other possibilities, such as Pinczow.

You might want to do a JRI-Poland search, and just see which towns
near Lodz come up with family names similar to yours
(assuming you know the names or have a good guess).


Steve Bloom
Central Virginia


Re: German Jews in Hungary & Slovakia #hungary

Cyndi Norwitz
 

I'm sure others will have much better information than me, but I'll
give you what I know.

My "Hungarian" relatives are all >from Slovakia, though many moved to
Budapest in the early 1900's. I was surprised to see several mentions
of German being the native tongue in various documents, as well as
finding some vital records in German.

I tracked down a cousin I didn't know about and have chatted with her
on the phone a couple of times. Her grandfather is >from Slovakia (b.
1863, moved to US in 1890) and, when he got very old, he reverted to
only speaking German. I asked, so he didn't speak Hungarian or
Slovak? Nope, just German (not 100% clear that he didn't *know* those
languages, just that he didn't use them at home or regularly...though
I'm not sure what he spoke in school).

On the other hand, my grandfather (b. 1900, immigrated 1939) (who was
the above relative's nephew and this was a close knit family) spoke
Hungarian. If he also spoke Slovak or German, I never heard of it.
He moved to Budapest as a young man and my mother was born there and
she only spoke Hungarian with her family. My grandmother (>from Kassa/
Kosice) is the one who had German listed as her native tongue on I
think it was her passage over.

I don't know how much of this is because of the "Austra-Hungarian
Empire" where German was a major language vs any of our relatives
being, in fact, "German Jews." I also don't know how the various
countries treated Jews, compared to each other, or if there was
prestige in being associated as one or the other. Nor do I know if
non-Jews in the same areas spoke German. In your GGfa's case, it
could be simply that he moved.

Cyndi Norwitz

On Nov 25, 2011, at 11:45 PM, Marcus%20Poulin wrote:

Does any know if German-Jews lived in Greater Hungary as well as
Slovakia?

My Great-Grandfather's story is very mysterious he never would
discuss his family but he did always
say he was a German-Jew.

Though now after he said in the 1920 U.S. Census that his Parents
were >from Germany and that he was born in Germany.

Thanks to Lars Menk in Berlin we have found evidence that he might
have been >from Slovakia.

And that his name was more correctly Stefan Pollask Obert.


Re: Peitchener, Piotorkow, Poland #lodz #poland

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

When I read the word "Peitchener" out loud is sounds like Pajeczno,
which is in the Lodz "Province."

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
New York, NY

---- Original message ----


Subject: Peitchener, Piotorkow, Poland
From: Wayne Morgan <morgan.wayne@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:03:01 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello:
On a Naturalization document for my wife's grandfather's sister, her
birth place is named as Peitchener, Poland. My previous research
indicated she was born on Lodz. I suspect that Peitchener is a suburb
or nearby town, but with much different spelling.

Can anyone help?
Thanks
Wayne Morgan

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