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Re: ABELES in Bohemia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Since posting a reply to Susan yesterday I have
received at least three rather complex queries on the
ABELES families of Bohemia. I would like to stress
that this was de-novo work and I am no expert on these
families - indeed, I made a mistake which I uncovered
whilst researching the ABELES family, Peter Rohel from
Toronto asked me about [see below]. I will correct it
now.

The posting was substantially correct but, believe it
or not, I found the the wrong Abraham ABELES! I now
know I have found the right one, and it was lucky, as
the clue was in a German footnote and the first note,
connected with his father in the census {vol V p347,
misled me. I need to repeat myself to explain. Susan
wrote:

I. Jehuda ABELES, Branntweinbrenner in H? bei Zedwitz
- Probably born bet. 1760-1770
i. Meyer ABELES, Branntweinbrenner in Petrowitz bei
Rakonitz. Probably born about 1800. Married to
Rosa RUSS etc - and I replied:

I have good news for Susan. Jehuda was one of the many
distillers who took leases on properties and moved
around. By 1793 he was no longer in H? by Zedwitz but
was already settled in Petrowitz/Petrovice Rakonitzer
Kreis as a "Bestand Jude in herrschaftlichen Haus", ie
he had the distilling and potash concession >from the
Lord of the Manor.

His name is given as Juda ABELLES [sic] and he is
married to Anna. A footnote implies he has taken over
this concession >from Herschmann BORGES [Prague]. He is
listed as being zustandig [resident] in Hochlieben.
[Vol V p347]. Now here is the surprise for Susan.
Mayer [Meyer] was already born in 1793 and he is the
last of five brothers - there are also two sisters.

1. There is a note saying that the first-born son
Abraham is already married ie perhaps aged 24 and
living in Chisch/Chiesch/Cyse, ***Saatzer Kreis***,
working in the Cisch [sic] textile factory.
Furthermore, a footnote says he in the ***Saatzer
Kreis***, but was not accepted as a first-born!

Indeed I looked up the ***Saatzer Kreis*** and found
an Alexander ABELES, with two sons Samson and Joachim.
He is a fabric dealer and is resident of Weiten
Trebetitsch {Vol IV p313}.

However, I investigated Chiesch in the ***Elbogen
Kreis*** just now - and lo and behold: we find the
right Abraham ABERLES [sic]
{see Vol 1 p.19} living in Chiesch/Chyse Herrschaft.

The footnote says mysteriously: Not to be considered
as a family because he is the first-born son from
Petrowitz, Rakonitzer Kreis. Abraham is married to
Judith and has a son Samuel; a widow Rachel also lives
with them [perhaps Judith's mother?] and a maid.
Abraham and Rachel are zustandig in Chiesch. Abraham
is the book-keeper in the Hersschaftlichen Compagnie,
which we now know to be a textile company. He was
obviousy an able young man to have got that far in his
early 20s.

Although ABELES is deemed to be such a common name in
Bohemia -there really are not that many ABELES
families. Indeed, in Volume II, which includes Kolin,
there is not one ABELES or variant names. Please note
these variant spellings: ABILLES, ABLILES, ABLES,
ABELLES, ABERLES.

And as we see above, Abraham ABERLES was the son of
Juda ABELLES -so this is an added complication when
looking for links.

Peter Rohel asked me about his Leopold ABELES - born
probably 1810 - 1820 in Cerveny Kostelec which I
assume hopefully is identical to
Schwartzkosteletz/Kostelec nad Cernymi lesy/Cerny
Kostelec: Maria OBERLANDER 1820 - 1887 married Leopold
ABELES Born: ? in Cerveny Kostelec see:
http://tinyurl.co.uk/5fdn

If these places are indeed identical, I can tell Peter
that there were no ABELES {or variant spelling} living
in the town in 1793 [vol II Kaurzimer/Kourimer Kreis].


The Hugo Gold compendium on the Jews and Jewish
communities of Bohemia has a short section in Czech on
Pristoupim in which there is as mention of a Joseph
ABELES in 1920. Peter's ABELES family must have been
settlers in the town after 1793.

I may have more to add on the OBERLANDER family at a
later stage.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: All the references are >from the 1793 Jewish
Census of Bohemia.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: ABELES in Bohemia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Since posting a reply to Susan yesterday I have
received at least three rather complex queries on the
ABELES families of Bohemia. I would like to stress
that this was de-novo work and I am no expert on these
families - indeed, I made a mistake which I uncovered
whilst researching the ABELES family, Peter Rohel from
Toronto asked me about [see below]. I will correct it
now.

The posting was substantially correct but, believe it
or not, I found the the wrong Abraham ABELES! I now
know I have found the right one, and it was lucky, as
the clue was in a German footnote and the first note,
connected with his father in the census {vol V p347,
misled me. I need to repeat myself to explain. Susan
wrote:

I. Jehuda ABELES, Branntweinbrenner in H? bei Zedwitz
- Probably born bet. 1760-1770
i. Meyer ABELES, Branntweinbrenner in Petrowitz bei
Rakonitz. Probably born about 1800. Married to
Rosa RUSS etc - and I replied:

I have good news for Susan. Jehuda was one of the many
distillers who took leases on properties and moved
around. By 1793 he was no longer in H? by Zedwitz but
was already settled in Petrowitz/Petrovice Rakonitzer
Kreis as a "Bestand Jude in herrschaftlichen Haus", ie
he had the distilling and potash concession >from the
Lord of the Manor.

His name is given as Juda ABELLES [sic] and he is
married to Anna. A footnote implies he has taken over
this concession >from Herschmann BORGES [Prague]. He is
listed as being zustandig [resident] in Hochlieben.
[Vol V p347]. Now here is the surprise for Susan.
Mayer [Meyer] was already born in 1793 and he is the
last of five brothers - there are also two sisters.

1. There is a note saying that the first-born son
Abraham is already married ie perhaps aged 24 and
living in Chisch/Chiesch/Cyse, ***Saatzer Kreis***,
working in the Cisch [sic] textile factory.
Furthermore, a footnote says he in the ***Saatzer
Kreis***, but was not accepted as a first-born!

Indeed I looked up the ***Saatzer Kreis*** and found
an Alexander ABELES, with two sons Samson and Joachim.
He is a fabric dealer and is resident of Weiten
Trebetitsch {Vol IV p313}.

However, I investigated Chiesch in the ***Elbogen
Kreis*** just now - and lo and behold: we find the
right Abraham ABERLES [sic]
{see Vol 1 p.19} living in Chiesch/Chyse Herrschaft.

The footnote says mysteriously: Not to be considered
as a family because he is the first-born son from
Petrowitz, Rakonitzer Kreis. Abraham is married to
Judith and has a son Samuel; a widow Rachel also lives
with them [perhaps Judith's mother?] and a maid.
Abraham and Rachel are zustandig in Chiesch. Abraham
is the book-keeper in the Hersschaftlichen Compagnie,
which we now know to be a textile company. He was
obviousy an able young man to have got that far in his
early 20s.

Although ABELES is deemed to be such a common name in
Bohemia -there really are not that many ABELES
families. Indeed, in Volume II, which includes Kolin,
there is not one ABELES or variant names. Please note
these variant spellings: ABILLES, ABLILES, ABLES,
ABELLES, ABERLES.

And as we see above, Abraham ABERLES was the son of
Juda ABELLES -so this is an added complication when
looking for links.

Peter Rohel asked me about his Leopold ABELES - born
probably 1810 - 1820 in Cerveny Kostelec which I
assume hopefully is identical to
Schwartzkosteletz/Kostelec nad Cernymi lesy/Cerny
Kostelec: Maria OBERLANDER 1820 - 1887 married Leopold
ABELES Born: ? in Cerveny Kostelec see:
http://tinyurl.co.uk/5fdn

If these places are indeed identical, I can tell Peter
that there were no ABELES {or variant spelling} living
in the town in 1793 [vol II Kaurzimer/Kourimer Kreis].


The Hugo Gold compendium on the Jews and Jewish
communities of Bohemia has a short section in Czech on
Pristoupim in which there is as mention of a Joseph
ABELES in 1920. Peter's ABELES family must have been
settlers in the town after 1793.

I may have more to add on the OBERLANDER family at a
later stage.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: All the references are >from the 1793 Jewish
Census of Bohemia.


"Kollel Galicia" #rabbinic

Israel P
 

As has been mentioned here before, the offices of Kollel Hibat Zion
(120 Mea Shearin Street, Jerusalem) hold handwritten records of
collections in Galician towns and cities to help support the
Galicianers living in Jerusalem. These files are for the years
~1925-1938, earlier files having been lost when the Old City fell.

The records of the collections are in two metal filing cabinets and
are arranged in eighty-three loose leaf folders in alphabetical
order (Hebrew letters). The purpose of this post is to advise that
the list of communties is now online at
http://www.pikholz.org/KGal/Cabinet.html
with my best efforts at giving the town names in Latin letters.
I am quite sure that this can be improved upon but I would really
appreciate it if corrections were limited to certainties, not guesses.
(We already have enough of those.)

The actual records, which sometimes reflect several collections each
year, do not tell much more than the fact that a particular person
lived in a particular town in a particular year (and how much he
contributed), but there is additional information in some cases.

The records are generally in Hebrew, but at least a few years of
Jaroslav collections (and maybe others as well) have the names in
Latin letters.

As Jacob Rosen said to me earlier this evening, "there is an ocean
of material there" and it is not realistic to think that much can
be gained >from a casual lookup.

Although the kollel is a private organization and these files are not
public property, they are quite good about letting people come in and
look through them, although anyone doing so should be aware of their
sensibilities. And a contribution to the kollel is in order for
anyone spending significant time there.

Their definition of Galicia is somewhat different >from ours, as it
does not include an arc of communities >from Buczacz to Skalat in the
southeastern corner of East Galicia. The files also include Karlsbad,
which while not being in Galicia, certainly had transient and/or ex-
patriate communities which would have supported the brethren in the
Holy Land. Files 84-85 include contributions >from German communities
and that list too is linked >from the above URL, with translation.
(There seem to be no such records >from the largest ex-patriate
community in Europe - Vienna.)

The kollel office also has journals with records of disbursements to
Galicianers in Jerusalem going well back into the 1800s and some
burial records which they say are not in the records of the Hassidic
Burial society.

Israel Pickholtz

[Moderator's Nore: Please address all questions on the database
privately to Mr. Pickholtz at the address iclded below]


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic "Kollel Galicia" #rabbinic

Israel P
 

As has been mentioned here before, the offices of Kollel Hibat Zion
(120 Mea Shearin Street, Jerusalem) hold handwritten records of
collections in Galician towns and cities to help support the
Galicianers living in Jerusalem. These files are for the years
~1925-1938, earlier files having been lost when the Old City fell.

The records of the collections are in two metal filing cabinets and
are arranged in eighty-three loose leaf folders in alphabetical
order (Hebrew letters). The purpose of this post is to advise that
the list of communties is now online at
http://www.pikholz.org/KGal/Cabinet.html
with my best efforts at giving the town names in Latin letters.
I am quite sure that this can be improved upon but I would really
appreciate it if corrections were limited to certainties, not guesses.
(We already have enough of those.)

The actual records, which sometimes reflect several collections each
year, do not tell much more than the fact that a particular person
lived in a particular town in a particular year (and how much he
contributed), but there is additional information in some cases.

The records are generally in Hebrew, but at least a few years of
Jaroslav collections (and maybe others as well) have the names in
Latin letters.

As Jacob Rosen said to me earlier this evening, "there is an ocean
of material there" and it is not realistic to think that much can
be gained >from a casual lookup.

Although the kollel is a private organization and these files are not
public property, they are quite good about letting people come in and
look through them, although anyone doing so should be aware of their
sensibilities. And a contribution to the kollel is in order for
anyone spending significant time there.

Their definition of Galicia is somewhat different >from ours, as it
does not include an arc of communities >from Buczacz to Skalat in the
southeastern corner of East Galicia. The files also include Karlsbad,
which while not being in Galicia, certainly had transient and/or ex-
patriate communities which would have supported the brethren in the
Holy Land. Files 84-85 include contributions >from German communities
and that list too is linked >from the above URL, with translation.
(There seem to be no such records >from the largest ex-patriate
community in Europe - Vienna.)

The kollel office also has journals with records of disbursements to
Galicianers in Jerusalem going well back into the 1800s and some
burial records which they say are not in the records of the Hassidic
Burial society.

Israel Pickholtz

[Moderator's Nore: Please address all questions on the database
privately to Mr. Pickholtz at the address iclded below]


memory books for Ekatirinoslav #ukraine

Irina Kunia <iritrashba@...>
 

Dear Genners,
I received memory books for Ekatirinoslav(Dnepropetrovsk) (published in
2001) >from my relatives, volume 3 part 1 with very important info about
thousands of people who died in action in WW2 or died in Holocaust or
participate in WW2. I know there is Izkor book for Ekatirinoslav in New York
Public library. Anybody knows if it is the same book.

Irit Rashba


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine memory books for Ekatirinoslav #ukraine

Irina Kunia <iritrashba@...>
 

Dear Genners,
I received memory books for Ekatirinoslav(Dnepropetrovsk) (published in
2001) >from my relatives, volume 3 part 1 with very important info about
thousands of people who died in action in WW2 or died in Holocaust or
participate in WW2. I know there is Izkor book for Ekatirinoslav in New York
Public library. Anybody knows if it is the same book.

Irit Rashba


Leivik - a Hebrew Name? Update #ukraine

Rochelle Gershenow
 

Thank you to the many Genners who responded to me privately or on the list
about my inquiry about whether Leivik is a Hebrew name. My father listed
Leivik as his Hebrew name on paperwork for a burial society. I need to know
what Hebrew name to put on his tombstone this coming year. So,I wanted to
determine what was the correct Hebrew name as I didn't think Leivik was
Hebrew. >from somewhere deep down in my memory I remembered my father
telling me that he was called Leibl boychik.

The answers I received >from people ran the gamut:

The Hebrew name is either Aryeh, Judah, Lev, or Levi.
Leivik is either a diminutive of the Hebrew "Levi" or the Yiddish "Leib" or
"Lev."

Well, I did get an answer to my original question, i.e., Leivik is not a
Hebrew name. Now, the decision as to what name to use has to be made.

Rochelle Gershenow
Potomac, MD

Searching: AGINSKY (Belarus; South Africa, USA); CHAIKIN (Priluki/Poltava,
Ukraine); GADISH/GAIDASH/GERIS (Belarus); LECKERMAN/LAKERMAN
(Priluki,Ukraine; or Pennsylvania, USA); LIFSCHITZ (Priluki,Ukraine);
PURINSON/PURINZON/PURRINSON Priluki,Ukraine; Argentina; Israel; USA);
SLONIMSKY (Minsk, Belarus)or SLONIM (USA); SONDEK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK (Lutzin,
Belarus; Ludza, Latvia; USA); SOKOLOFF (Priluki, Ukraine)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Leivik - a Hebrew Name? Update #ukraine

Rochelle Gershenow
 

Thank you to the many Genners who responded to me privately or on the list
about my inquiry about whether Leivik is a Hebrew name. My father listed
Leivik as his Hebrew name on paperwork for a burial society. I need to know
what Hebrew name to put on his tombstone this coming year. So,I wanted to
determine what was the correct Hebrew name as I didn't think Leivik was
Hebrew. >from somewhere deep down in my memory I remembered my father
telling me that he was called Leibl boychik.

The answers I received >from people ran the gamut:

The Hebrew name is either Aryeh, Judah, Lev, or Levi.
Leivik is either a diminutive of the Hebrew "Levi" or the Yiddish "Leib" or
"Lev."

Well, I did get an answer to my original question, i.e., Leivik is not a
Hebrew name. Now, the decision as to what name to use has to be made.

Rochelle Gershenow
Potomac, MD

Searching: AGINSKY (Belarus; South Africa, USA); CHAIKIN (Priluki/Poltava,
Ukraine); GADISH/GAIDASH/GERIS (Belarus); LECKERMAN/LAKERMAN
(Priluki,Ukraine; or Pennsylvania, USA); LIFSCHITZ (Priluki,Ukraine);
PURINSON/PURINZON/PURRINSON Priluki,Ukraine; Argentina; Israel; USA);
SLONIMSKY (Minsk, Belarus)or SLONIM (USA); SONDEK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK (Lutzin,
Belarus; Ludza, Latvia; USA); SOKOLOFF (Priluki, Ukraine)


NULMAN Family #ukraine

Linda Shefler <linsilv@...>
 

I would greatly appreciate hearing >from anyone who is researching the NULMAN
family originally >from Fastov and Kiev. Family members might have emigrated
to Providence, RI; Fall River, MA; Montreal; France; Poland; Argentina or
Israel to name just the known places.
Please respond privately.
Thank you.

Linda Silverman Shefler
Cary, NC
linsilv@nc,rr,com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine NULMAN Family #ukraine

Linda Shefler <linsilv@...>
 

I would greatly appreciate hearing >from anyone who is researching the NULMAN
family originally >from Fastov and Kiev. Family members might have emigrated
to Providence, RI; Fall River, MA; Montreal; France; Poland; Argentina or
Israel to name just the known places.
Please respond privately.
Thank you.

Linda Silverman Shefler
Cary, NC
linsilv@nc,rr,com


Re: Confused about the Yaakov Koppels #rabbinic

MBernet@...
 

On 2006.01.23, Todd Brody <tbrody10@yahoo.com> writes:

I am very confused about the various Yaakov Koppels who lived in the
1700s. I have the following names:

Yaakov Koppel Hasid
Yaakov Koppel Likover
Yaakov Koppel Charif
Yaakov Koppel of Mezhirech
Koppel is a kinnuy of Ya`akov (Jakob -> Jakoble -> Kopele). You can
assume that every Koppel is a Ya`akov.

I found information on three of the above

Jacob Koppel Ben Aaron Sasslower (second half of 17th century),
authority on the masoretic text and cantillation, and author of a
work on the masorah. Jacob Koppel came >from Zaslavl near Ostrog
(Volhynia). He was the author of Nahalat Ya'akov (1686).

Jacob Koppel Ben Moses of Mezhirech (d. c. 1740), Polish kabbalist.
Jacob was influenced by the Shabbatean movement in Poland, and he
himself influenced Hasidism. His main published works are: Sha'arei
Gan Eden (Korets, 1803).

Jacob Harif was Av Bet Din of Leszniow and the province of Podolia.

Michael Bernet, New York


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Confused about the Yaakov Koppels #rabbinic

MBernet@...
 

On 2006.01.23, Todd Brody <tbrody10@yahoo.com> writes:

I am very confused about the various Yaakov Koppels who lived in the
1700s. I have the following names:

Yaakov Koppel Hasid
Yaakov Koppel Likover
Yaakov Koppel Charif
Yaakov Koppel of Mezhirech
Koppel is a kinnuy of Ya`akov (Jakob -> Jakoble -> Kopele). You can
assume that every Koppel is a Ya`akov.

I found information on three of the above

Jacob Koppel Ben Aaron Sasslower (second half of 17th century),
authority on the masoretic text and cantillation, and author of a
work on the masorah. Jacob Koppel came >from Zaslavl near Ostrog
(Volhynia). He was the author of Nahalat Ya'akov (1686).

Jacob Koppel Ben Moses of Mezhirech (d. c. 1740), Polish kabbalist.
Jacob was influenced by the Shabbatean movement in Poland, and he
himself influenced Hasidism. His main published works are: Sha'arei
Gan Eden (Korets, 1803).

Jacob Harif was Av Bet Din of Leszniow and the province of Podolia.

Michael Bernet, New York


Ship Alley #unitedkingdom

E Wolfers <estelle@...>
 

The site Shirley mentions puts Ship Alley next to Wellclose Square, E1,
which is still there and can be found using multimap http://www.multimap.com/ .

Estelle


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Ship Alley #unitedkingdom

E Wolfers <estelle@...>
 

The site Shirley mentions puts Ship Alley next to Wellclose Square, E1,
which is still there and can be found using multimap http://www.multimap.com/ .

Estelle


Ship Alley, London #unitedkingdom

shirley.collier@btinternet.com <shirley.collier@...>
 

Robert

There is an old photograph of Ship Alley on the
following website:

http://www.mernick.co.uk/thhol/p_well02.html

In case you are interested, there are a couple of
companies doing Jewish heritage walks - one of these
is called London Walks and their website is:

http://london.walks.com/

I have been on several walks with them and they have
been first class.

Another one is called Stepping Out but I believe they
are having a short break at the moment.

I have no commercial interest in either of these.

The local history library in Bancroft Road, Stepney
(also in the East End), has produced a leaflet of "do
it yourself" East End walks in conjunction with the
Jewish East End Celebration Society. The library also
has many records on the Jewish East End, and a
wonderful selection of old photographs.

I hope your enjoy your stay in London.

Shirley usually East of London UK
presently Shoham, Israel.

--- robert fraser <robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au>
wrote:

Dear Friends -

I wonder if anyone can point me to a website that
shows pre-WW2 roads in
London, or point me to any related information. The
reason is that I will be
briefly in London in April.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Ship Alley, London #unitedkingdom

shirley.collier@btinternet.com <shirley.collier@...>
 

Robert

There is an old photograph of Ship Alley on the
following website:

http://www.mernick.co.uk/thhol/p_well02.html

In case you are interested, there are a couple of
companies doing Jewish heritage walks - one of these
is called London Walks and their website is:

http://london.walks.com/

I have been on several walks with them and they have
been first class.

Another one is called Stepping Out but I believe they
are having a short break at the moment.

I have no commercial interest in either of these.

The local history library in Bancroft Road, Stepney
(also in the East End), has produced a leaflet of "do
it yourself" East End walks in conjunction with the
Jewish East End Celebration Society. The library also
has many records on the Jewish East End, and a
wonderful selection of old photographs.

I hope your enjoy your stay in London.

Shirley usually East of London UK
presently Shoham, Israel.

--- robert fraser <robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au>
wrote:

Dear Friends -

I wonder if anyone can point me to a website that
shows pre-WW2 roads in
London, or point me to any related information. The
reason is that I will be
briefly in London in April.


Re: Seeking Information in Koln #germany

GSt <beagun27@...>
 

Try the following. They are quite helpful; especially grateful if you give
them some information back.

NS-Dokumentationszentrum (EL-DE-Haus)
National-Socialist Documentation Center and
Museum of Koeln NS-Dokumentationszentrum (EL-DE-Haus).

EL-DE-Haus
Appellhofplatz 23-25
50667 Koeln E-mail: nsdok@stadt-koeln.de

Gunther Steinberg, Portola Valley, California <beagun27@comcast.net>

I am searching my family, and looking for information about the following:
Yeshayahu HOLLANDER. Died: in Koln, Germany.
His daughter, Frieda (HOLLANDER) REICHENSTEIN. Died: in Koln, Germany.
Her husband, Leo Leib REICHENSTEIN. Died: 20/12/1939 in Koln, Germany.
It's the first time for me researching in Germany, so I would ask you how to
go about finding this information? Is there an address in Koln where I can write
to and ask for information? >Shmuel Kehati Tel-Aviv, shmuelk@kehati.co.il


German SIG #Germany Re: Seeking Information in Koln #germany

GSt <beagun27@...>
 

Try the following. They are quite helpful; especially grateful if you give
them some information back.

NS-Dokumentationszentrum (EL-DE-Haus)
National-Socialist Documentation Center and
Museum of Koeln NS-Dokumentationszentrum (EL-DE-Haus).

EL-DE-Haus
Appellhofplatz 23-25
50667 Koeln E-mail: nsdok@stadt-koeln.de

Gunther Steinberg, Portola Valley, California <beagun27@comcast.net>

I am searching my family, and looking for information about the following:
Yeshayahu HOLLANDER. Died: in Koln, Germany.
His daughter, Frieda (HOLLANDER) REICHENSTEIN. Died: in Koln, Germany.
Her husband, Leo Leib REICHENSTEIN. Died: 20/12/1939 in Koln, Germany.
It's the first time for me researching in Germany, so I would ask you how to
go about finding this information? Is there an address in Koln where I can write
to and ask for information? >Shmuel Kehati Tel-Aviv, shmuelk@kehati.co.il


Ship Alley, London #unitedkingdom

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Dear Friends -

I wonder if anyone can point me to a website that shows pre-WW2 roads in
London, or point me to any related information. The reason is that I will be
briefly in London in April, and am curious to find if Ship Alley still
exists. I'm pretty sure that it has been redeveloped, but it did still exist
in the 1950's. It was a narrow alley somewhere in the East End, can't recall
where, and my Parents stayed there briefly with a Mrs Mazin on arrival from
Vienna in mid-1939.

As my hotel is near Liverpool Street, on the fringes of the East End. I
thought that I might try to find it.

Thank you for any pointers.

Robert Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au
Searching:
NOWAK - Moravia, Austria/Vienna - >
EISINGER - Moravia - >
FINKELSTEIN - Galicia, Poland
NAGEL - Austria
KRAUTERBLUTH - ? Galicia


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Ship Alley, London #unitedkingdom

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Dear Friends -

I wonder if anyone can point me to a website that shows pre-WW2 roads in
London, or point me to any related information. The reason is that I will be
briefly in London in April, and am curious to find if Ship Alley still
exists. I'm pretty sure that it has been redeveloped, but it did still exist
in the 1950's. It was a narrow alley somewhere in the East End, can't recall
where, and my Parents stayed there briefly with a Mrs Mazin on arrival from
Vienna in mid-1939.

As my hotel is near Liverpool Street, on the fringes of the East End. I
thought that I might try to find it.

Thank you for any pointers.

Robert Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au
Searching:
NOWAK - Moravia, Austria/Vienna - >
EISINGER - Moravia - >
FINKELSTEIN - Galicia, Poland
NAGEL - Austria
KRAUTERBLUTH - ? Galicia