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Re: LEVI/LEVY/LEVEY roots > WOOLF, NATHAN > BARNETT of London, 1781 #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Janette Levey Frisch tells us she is new to this - so here are a few
hints and possible leads miraculously taking Janette all the way back
to her gtgtgtgt-grandmother Lydia BARNETT born Whitechapel, London in
1781 - unless I have made a serious logical error.

Janette tells us that her gt-grandfather was born in Eastern Europe
in 1878 and came to the USA via Southampton in 1905 - he was known in
the US as Jack LEVY or LEVEY and his name was John Jacob Levy. His
brother was Myer Levy. Jack married Lydia WOOLF.

Here is the wedding in London of Jack [already LEVEY] and Lydia:

Jack LEVEY 1903 Jul-Aug-Sep Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
Lydia WOOLF 1903 Jul-Aug-Sep Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex

Our problem now is to find Jack and Lydia in the censuses of England
and Wales in 1901 or possibly 1891.

The best candidate I have found so far for Jack LEVEY is Jacob LEVY
[born 1878] living as a boarder in 1901 with Ruben PROSOFSKY in the
East End of London; Jacob is a Russian subject.

As for Lydia WOOLF - Janette tells us: <My great grandmother, Lydia
WOOLF had a sister Bertha, who married someone with the surname
Coombs, a sister Cissie, a brother Alfred, another brother Isidore,
and another sister, Leah, b. 1879.>

In the 1901 census of England and Wales,I have found a large WOOLF
family in Whitechapel [East End of London]. There are sons Alfred and
Isidore and a daughter Celia [Cissie] and a Lydia born in 1874 - so
she would have been 4 years older than Jack.

Could this be the right WOOLF family or a red herring? Father Harris
was a tailor and born in Poland. He was a naturalised British
subject. His wife was British-born.

Harris Woolf abt 1852 Poland Head
Elizabeth Woolf abt 1852 Wife
Lydia Woolf abt 1874 born London Daughter
Bernard Woolf abt 1882 born London Son
Isidore Woolf abt 1885 born London Son
Celia Woolf abt 1888 born London Daughter
Alfred Woolf abt 1889 born London Son
Elizabeth Benz abt 1871 born London Servant

Missing sisters Bertha and Leah may already have married.

But look at this - here is the same family in Shoreditch [East End]
in 1891 mistranscribed. Lydia appears as Lyda and 6 years younger!
Celia is Carry; Bertha is Bethea, Bernard is Ben. Lea is not there.

Harris Woolf born abt 1853 Russia, Poland Head - a tailor
Elizabeth Woolf born abt 1853 born London Wife
Bethea Woolf born abt 1879 London Daughter
Ben Woolf born abt 1882 London Son
Lyda Woolf born abt 1880 London Daughter
Isedore Woolf born abt 1885 London Son
Carry Woolf born abt 1888 London Daughter
Alfred Woolf born abt 1889 London Son

It should be possible to go one generation further back at least and
find the wedding of Harris WOOLF and Elizabeth - and could this be it
in 1878? Bertha was born one year later:

Harris WOOLF 1878 Jan-Feb-Mar London City
Lizzie NATHAN 1878 Jan-Feb-Mar London City

I think you can go much further back with the NATHAN family of London
- I believe Elizabeth NATHAN is the daughter of Nathaniel and and Eve
NATHAN both born in London {1818/1820]- and my evidence for this is
that I can see in the 1851 census that Elizabeth's grandmother was
Lydia BARNETT [living with the NATHAN family as mother-in-law] born
in London in 1781 ie Eve was nee BARNETT.

So here's a good reason for Elizabeth's daughter to be named Lydia,
but let's get the Jack/Lydia {WOOLF] LEVEY and Harris/Lizzie {NATHAN}
WOOLF wedding certificates first to see we are on the right track!
This could be Janette's lucky day.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re:LEVI/LEVY/LEVEY roots > WOOLF, NATHAN > BARNETT of London, 1781 #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Janette Levey Frisch tells us she is new to this - so here are a few
hints and possible leads miraculously taking Janette all the way back
to her gtgtgtgt-grandmother Lydia BARNETT born Whitechapel, London in
1781 - unless I have made a serious logical error.

Janette tells us that her gt-grandfather was born in Eastern Europe
in 1878 and came to the USA via Southampton in 1905 - he was known in
the US as Jack LEVY or LEVEY and his name was John Jacob Levy. His
brother was Myer Levy. Jack married Lydia WOOLF.

Here is the wedding in London of Jack [already LEVEY] and Lydia:

Jack LEVEY 1903 Jul-Aug-Sep Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
Lydia WOOLF 1903 Jul-Aug-Sep Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex

Our problem now is to find Jack and Lydia in the censuses of England
and Wales in 1901 or possibly 1891.

The best candidate I have found so far for Jack LEVEY is Jacob LEVY
[born 1878] living as a boarder in 1901 with Ruben PROSOFSKY in the
East End of London; Jacob is a Russian subject.

As for Lydia WOOLF - Janette tells us: <My great grandmother, Lydia
WOOLF had a sister Bertha, who married someone with the surname
Coombs, a sister Cissie, a brother Alfred, another brother Isidore,
and another sister, Leah, b. 1879.>

In the 1901 census of England and Wales,I have found a large WOOLF
family in Whitechapel [East End of London]. There are sons Alfred and
Isidore and a daughter Celia [Cissie] and a Lydia born in 1874 - so
she would have been 4 years older than Jack.

Could this be the right WOOLF family or a red herring? Father Harris
was a tailor and born in Poland. He was a naturalised British
subject. His wife was British-born.

Harris Woolf abt 1852 Poland Head
Elizabeth Woolf abt 1852 Wife
Lydia Woolf abt 1874 born London Daughter
Bernard Woolf abt 1882 born London Son
Isidore Woolf abt 1885 born London Son
Celia Woolf abt 1888 born London Daughter
Alfred Woolf abt 1889 born London Son
Elizabeth Benz abt 1871 born London Servant

Missing sisters Bertha and Leah may already have married.

But look at this - here is the same family in Shoreditch [East End]
in 1891 mistranscribed. Lydia appears as Lyda and 6 years younger!
Celia is Carry; Bertha is Bethea, Bernard is Ben. Lea is not there.

Harris Woolf born abt 1853 Russia, Poland Head - a tailor
Elizabeth Woolf born abt 1853 born London Wife
Bethea Woolf born abt 1879 London Daughter
Ben Woolf born abt 1882 London Son
Lyda Woolf born abt 1880 London Daughter
Isedore Woolf born abt 1885 London Son
Carry Woolf born abt 1888 London Daughter
Alfred Woolf born abt 1889 London Son

It should be possible to go one generation further back at least and
find the wedding of Harris WOOLF and Elizabeth - and could this be it
in 1878? Bertha was born one year later:

Harris WOOLF 1878 Jan-Feb-Mar London City
Lizzie NATHAN 1878 Jan-Feb-Mar London City

I think you can go much further back with the NATHAN family of London
- I believe Elizabeth NATHAN is the daughter of Nathaniel and and Eve
NATHAN both born in London {1818/1820]- and my evidence for this is
that I can see in the 1851 census that Elizabeth's grandmother was
Lydia BARNETT [living with the NATHAN family as mother-in-law] born
in London in 1781 ie Eve was nee BARNETT.

So here's a good reason for Elizabeth's daughter to be named Lydia,
but let's get the Jack/Lydia {WOOLF] LEVEY and Harris/Lizzie {NATHAN}
WOOLF wedding certificates first to see we are on the right track!
This could be Janette's lucky day.

Celia Male [U.K.]


re KLOPMAN/KLAPMAN #latvia

Photographer Anne BREST & Assoc. <digitalphoto@...>
 

Hallo LatvianSIG

I have an envellope addressed to my Great Grandmother Annie MARCUS nee
KLOPMAN/KLAPMAN.
The envellope came >from an S.KLOPMAN/KLAPMAN (it is difficult to see if
it is an "O" or an "A) to Anne MARCUS in Dublin , Ireland, >from a place
called SILALA , Latvia.
Can anyone tell me where that is, or if it has a modern name name?
Does anyone have a KLOPMAN/KLAPMAN in their family? If so, I would like to
hear >from you.

Anne Lapedus BREST, (ex Dublin, Ireland) researching LAPEDUS and KAHN
(Vieksniai, Lithuania). MARCUS and FELDMAN (Ackmene, Lithuania). SHILLMAN
and BENSON (Krustpils, Latvia), MIRRELSON (Kurshan, Courland, Latvia) ,
BREST (Bauska, Latvia) , ORKIN (Zagere, Lithuania) CHAVIN and CHEIN (Zagare,
Lithuania)

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Latvia SIG #Latvia re KLOPMAN/KLAPMAN #latvia

Photographer Anne BREST & Assoc. <digitalphoto@...>
 

Hallo LatvianSIG

I have an envellope addressed to my Great Grandmother Annie MARCUS nee
KLOPMAN/KLAPMAN.
The envellope came >from an S.KLOPMAN/KLAPMAN (it is difficult to see if
it is an "O" or an "A) to Anne MARCUS in Dublin , Ireland, >from a place
called SILALA , Latvia.
Can anyone tell me where that is, or if it has a modern name name?
Does anyone have a KLOPMAN/KLAPMAN in their family? If so, I would like to
hear >from you.

Anne Lapedus BREST, (ex Dublin, Ireland) researching LAPEDUS and KAHN
(Vieksniai, Lithuania). MARCUS and FELDMAN (Ackmene, Lithuania). SHILLMAN
and BENSON (Krustpils, Latvia), MIRRELSON (Kurshan, Courland, Latvia) ,
BREST (Bauska, Latvia) , ORKIN (Zagere, Lithuania) CHAVIN and CHEIN (Zagare,
Lithuania)

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Re: Yanava #belarus

AS <avivas1@...>
 

Yanava might turn out Yonava, Jonava, Lithuanian Latin transcription
matches,- a town in Lithuania with considerable Jewish population bewore
WWII.
Aharon Starovolski
Kiron, Israel
avivas1@smile.net.il
Researching STAROV(W)OLSKI(Y), RUBINSTEIN families >from JASI(O)NOV(W)KA,
BIALOSTOK, POLAND, first half 19C


I am looking for the following towns and their current locations:

Yanava, Poland Researching GOLDSTEIN, SHAPIRO
Kim Formica
CT, USA


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Yanava #belarus

AS <avivas1@...>
 

Yanava might turn out Yonava, Jonava, Lithuanian Latin transcription
matches,- a town in Lithuania with considerable Jewish population bewore
WWII.
Aharon Starovolski
Kiron, Israel
avivas1@smile.net.il
Researching STAROV(W)OLSKI(Y), RUBINSTEIN families >from JASI(O)NOV(W)KA,
BIALOSTOK, POLAND, first half 19C


I am looking for the following towns and their current locations:

Yanava, Poland Researching GOLDSTEIN, SHAPIRO
Kim Formica
CT, USA


Re: Sending Better Inquirioes. #general

david nathan <d.nathan1@...>
 

I would add to Joseph's recommendations the real need for people to add
details of where they are writing from. For the US we need to know both the
city and the state. For other enquiries the country is all that is
necessary. Only a short while ago someone posted a message mentioning an
hotel, but no indication of the city in which it was located.

Please, please please remember that this list reaches people all over the
world, and the US is not the entire world!

David Nathan, London, England

----- Original Message -----
Genners,

A couple of days ago, I got blasted by an inquirer for not realizing that
the inquirer did not know his relative's place of birth. But there is no
way people who want to help can know about your request if you don't give
as much information as you have.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Sending Better Inquirioes. #general

david nathan <d.nathan1@...>
 

I would add to Joseph's recommendations the real need for people to add
details of where they are writing from. For the US we need to know both the
city and the state. For other enquiries the country is all that is
necessary. Only a short while ago someone posted a message mentioning an
hotel, but no indication of the city in which it was located.

Please, please please remember that this list reaches people all over the
world, and the US is not the entire world!

David Nathan, London, England

----- Original Message -----
Genners,

A couple of days ago, I got blasted by an inquirer for not realizing that
the inquirer did not know his relative's place of birth. But there is no
way people who want to help can know about your request if you don't give
as much information as you have.


Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

Deb Katz
 

On 2006.07.11 Joan Hartman <joanhartman@ameritech.net> asked:

Does anyone have any science-based response to [...] an anthropology
blog, which challenges the conventional understanding of the "cohen
gene" (the blog is written anonymously so I cannot evaluate the author's
credentials)
from everything I've read and understand---which is extensive and includes
most of the scientific papers on the subject---the information in the blog
you quoted is fairly accurate. The thing is, it looks like cohanim Jews of
either haplogroup are very much more likely to have the CMH than non-cohanim
Jews and non-Jews...so even though the CMH may have arisen independently in
both haplgroups, there is some kind of connection...and for my money the
connection is geographic and cultural, i.e. for several thousands of years,
the J1's and J2's who developed the CMH were hanging out together...in the
middle east.

As it happens, I have three lineages (one J1f and two J2*) with the CMH...
although only one retained a tradition of cohanim descent. (one of the J2*s)

My best guess theory based on the facts so far is that all priests did not
descend >from one man...but rather >from numerous men (including likely
"Aaron" and his paternal relatives as well as others of the era who may have
"bought" their way into the preisthood or gotten there by other means).
Thus, I don't think the CMH's time to a common ancestor is far off...2500 to
3500 years ago is probably about right. The whole issue of how to
accurately date TMRCA of Y-dna matches is subject to hot debate...in time
they will figure this out and get a better handle on what other genetic
distinctions cohanim may share (i.e. fine tune the CMH) and we will get our
answer.

Debbie Katz
Los Altos CA


DNA Research #DNA Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

Deb Katz
 

On 2006.07.11 Joan Hartman <joanhartman@ameritech.net> asked:

Does anyone have any science-based response to [...] an anthropology
blog, which challenges the conventional understanding of the "cohen
gene" (the blog is written anonymously so I cannot evaluate the author's
credentials)
from everything I've read and understand---which is extensive and includes
most of the scientific papers on the subject---the information in the blog
you quoted is fairly accurate. The thing is, it looks like cohanim Jews of
either haplogroup are very much more likely to have the CMH than non-cohanim
Jews and non-Jews...so even though the CMH may have arisen independently in
both haplgroups, there is some kind of connection...and for my money the
connection is geographic and cultural, i.e. for several thousands of years,
the J1's and J2's who developed the CMH were hanging out together...in the
middle east.

As it happens, I have three lineages (one J1f and two J2*) with the CMH...
although only one retained a tradition of cohanim descent. (one of the J2*s)

My best guess theory based on the facts so far is that all priests did not
descend >from one man...but rather >from numerous men (including likely
"Aaron" and his paternal relatives as well as others of the era who may have
"bought" their way into the preisthood or gotten there by other means).
Thus, I don't think the CMH's time to a common ancestor is far off...2500 to
3500 years ago is probably about right. The whole issue of how to
accurately date TMRCA of Y-dna matches is subject to hot debate...in time
they will figure this out and get a better handle on what other genetic
distinctions cohanim may share (i.e. fine tune the CMH) and we will get our
answer.

Debbie Katz
Los Altos CA


Zloczow Nigun Sought #rabbinic

Joyce Field
 

I have been asked by Meylakh Sheykhet >from Lviv, Ukraine, to inquire
about a Nigun. This is his message to me:

"On July 23, 2006, 15:00, there will be a special ceremony in
Zolochiv (former Zloczow) to commemmorate 14,000 Jews who perished
there. The design, construction of the memorial was prepared by UCSJ
Representation to Ukraine. The survivors >from Israel, US, Australia,
Europe, Diplomats will join the ceremony, including the Nobel Prize
winner in Biology - Professor Roal Hoffman of Princeton University.

We are looking for the Nigun of Reb Yiekhiel Mekhl Zlotchover's Nigun
to play it at the ceremony."

If anyone can help Meylakh locate this nigun, please contact me and
I will forward him the information.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acqisition


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Zloczow Nigun Sought #rabbinic

Joyce Field
 

I have been asked by Meylakh Sheykhet >from Lviv, Ukraine, to inquire
about a Nigun. This is his message to me:

"On July 23, 2006, 15:00, there will be a special ceremony in
Zolochiv (former Zloczow) to commemmorate 14,000 Jews who perished
there. The design, construction of the memorial was prepared by UCSJ
Representation to Ukraine. The survivors >from Israel, US, Australia,
Europe, Diplomats will join the ceremony, including the Nobel Prize
winner in Biology - Professor Roal Hoffman of Princeton University.

We are looking for the Nigun of Reb Yiekhiel Mekhl Zlotchover's Nigun
to play it at the ceremony."

If anyone can help Meylakh locate this nigun, please contact me and
I will forward him the information.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acqisition


Re: the name Christof #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have screened the 153,000 Jewish burials in Vienna and can confirm
that there are no *Christof* but there is a single *Christian*:

TIREL Christian aged 54 died 03.12.1999

and a few Christines:

FRUCHTER Christine aged 84 died 11.12.1989
KREISLER Christine aged 33 died ab 7.05.1885
LANDSTEIN Christine aged 56 died 06.02.1931
PREIS Christine aged 41 died abt 18.12.1927
REINER Christin aged 76 died 21.01.1972
SONNENFELD Christine aged 59 died 03.06.1942
SPAT [umlaut] Christine aged 90 died 23.10.1991
SPITZER Christine aged ? died abt 29.07.1893
WEIL Christine aged 53 died abt 23.04.1928

Hence the use of the name Christine in Vienna was already used in the
late 1800s. As for *Christian* - he is a "one-off"!
 
There is always the possibility that these were Christian girls who
had married Jewish husbands. Christian's origins too needs further
investigation. It is interesting and probably significant to note
that he was born in 1945.  

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: the name Christof #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have screened the 153,000 Jewish burials in Vienna and can confirm
that there are no *Christof* but there is a single *Christian*:

TIREL Christian aged 54 died 03.12.1999

and a few Christines:

FRUCHTER Christine aged 84 died 11.12.1989
KREISLER Christine aged 33 died ab 7.05.1885
LANDSTEIN Christine aged 56 died 06.02.1931
PREIS Christine aged 41 died abt 18.12.1927
REINER Christin aged 76 died 21.01.1972
SONNENFELD Christine aged 59 died 03.06.1942
SPAT [umlaut] Christine aged 90 died 23.10.1991
SPITZER Christine aged ? died abt 29.07.1893
WEIL Christine aged 53 died abt 23.04.1928

Hence the use of the name Christine in Vienna was already used in the
late 1800s. As for *Christian* - he is a "one-off"!
 
There is always the possibility that these were Christian girls who
had married Jewish husbands. Christian's origins too needs further
investigation. It is interesting and probably significant to note
that he was born in 1945.  

Celia Male [U.K.]


need expertise about Grand Rapids Michigan #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

I have started working on my new daughter-in-law's family tree. Is there
anyone out there with knowledge about Grand Rapids Michigan? Please contact
me privately.
Rose Feldman
GITNER, REZNIK - Podolia, Ukraine
EPSTEIN, Ruzhany & Mscibow, Belarus
TREPER, TREPMAN, SOJCHER, FELDMAN, LICHT - Warsaw, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen need expertise about Grand Rapids Michigan #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

I have started working on my new daughter-in-law's family tree. Is there
anyone out there with knowledge about Grand Rapids Michigan? Please contact
me privately.
Rose Feldman
GITNER, REZNIK - Podolia, Ukraine
EPSTEIN, Ruzhany & Mscibow, Belarus
TREPER, TREPMAN, SOJCHER, FELDMAN, LICHT - Warsaw, Poland


Re: Help Translate Yad Vashem Pages - ZILBERMAN, USHER, #general

tom klein <bossman@...>
 

I think you might get a better response if you gave the direct address (url) of
the page(s) that you had in mind. Don't forget that the rest of us, while we
may be willing to help you, might get discouraged at having to sift through a
few dozen hits to find your family.

....... Tom Klein, Toronto

"Alexandra Alznauer" <petiealznauer@earthlink.net> wrote:

Please help me by translating >from Hebrew to English the names and addresses
(and anything else of interest that might not be in the Yad Vashem website's
English translation ) of the Submitters of Pages of Testimony on Yad Vashem
for these people in Lithuania:

"USHER Rakhel" [Freida Rakhel KRUBELINK USHER]
"ZILBERMANN Yaakov" [Yaakov ZILBERMANN]
"SILBERMAN Toba Taube" [Toba or Taube SILBERMAN]
"SILBERMAN Schmuel" in Girtagole [Schmuel SILBERMAN] - Liute BER is the
Submitter
"VINIKAITE Hene" [Hene VINIKAITE]
"KARNOVSKI Chaim" [Chaim KARNOVSKY]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help Translate Yad Vashem Pages - ZILBERMAN, USHER, #general

tom klein <bossman@...>
 

I think you might get a better response if you gave the direct address (url) of
the page(s) that you had in mind. Don't forget that the rest of us, while we
may be willing to help you, might get discouraged at having to sift through a
few dozen hits to find your family.

....... Tom Klein, Toronto

"Alexandra Alznauer" <petiealznauer@earthlink.net> wrote:

Please help me by translating >from Hebrew to English the names and addresses
(and anything else of interest that might not be in the Yad Vashem website's
English translation ) of the Submitters of Pages of Testimony on Yad Vashem
for these people in Lithuania:

"USHER Rakhel" [Freida Rakhel KRUBELINK USHER]
"ZILBERMANN Yaakov" [Yaakov ZILBERMANN]
"SILBERMAN Toba Taube" [Toba or Taube SILBERMAN]
"SILBERMAN Schmuel" in Girtagole [Schmuel SILBERMAN] - Liute BER is the
Submitter
"VINIKAITE Hene" [Hene VINIKAITE]
"KARNOVSKI Chaim" [Chaim KARNOVSKY]


1920s Brooklyn marriage certif lookup needed - KRASNER #general

Jerry Krassner
 

If someone is going to the NYC Municipal Archives and can look up two
Brooklyn (Kings County) marriage certificates for me I would appreciate
it. I believe (but am not positive) that the certificates are located in
cabinets 4 or 5 in the microfilm room. I have the groom's name (Benjamin
KRASNER), dates (July 2, 1927 and December 22,1929) and certificate
numbers (10125 and 199, respectively). I am looking for any info on the
forms- addresses, bride's maiden name (first name Frances), etc. I suspect
one of these certificates is for someone else, but don't know which one,
so really I am only interested in the info on the certificate for Ben and
Frances. Thanks in advance- Jerry Krassner

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


Searching BENEVET, Izmir > New York #general

O.M.
 

Shalom,

I'm looking for details regarding the descendants of Daniel BENEVET
(born in Izmir, Turkey - 1886) and his wife Ester (born in Turkey,
around 1892).

According to the New York groom index, Daniel was married in 1912.

According to the 1930 U.S. federal census, they lived in Bronx, N.Y.
at 1930 and had 3 children: Victoria (born at 1915), David (1916) and
Rose (1921).

The only record refers to the family after 1930 is the death record of
Daniel in the SSDI (1973).

Thanks,

Oded Mann,
Israel