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Re: PERITZ family from Breslau #germany

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Careful! The film in question is not quite as labeled. It does indeed
contain records of births in Breslau in 1846-1872, but only a fraction
of them, because it is neither a synagogue register nor a local court
civil register.

Instead, it's a midwife's register. It records the 2000+ births that
*one* particular Jewish midwife in Breslau attended. Consider the size
of the Breslau Jewish community in those days, this cannot be more than
20% of the total births.

That said, I have a rough transcription of the register. There would
seem to have been at least two wives associated with Adolph PERITZ--or
perhaps two Adolph PERITZes. The dates do not rule out either
possibility. Adolph P and Dorel (common kinnui for Sara) WIELUNER are
listed twice: Minna (28 Sep 1858) and Max (31 Dec 1861). The other
wife, Dorel KEMPNER, had children by Adolph P. in the preceding years.
No Ismar among them.

[Minna and Max...perhaps he was a mathematician...8-)]

If Ismar was born later and doesn't appear here that could mean any
number of things, e.g., that the family had moved to a different part of
town, or that the midwife who kept the register wasn't available that night.

Those who look at this register may be amused by the cartoons on the
front cover--a father coming to fetch the midwife, and the midwife
traipsing along in the middle of the night.

On a more general note, this film is one of the "Gatermann" films, most
of which were made at the end of WW II >from items in the Breslau Jewish
Community Archive. The originals are lost. The descriptions in the LDS
catalogue generally follow those at the beginning of each film, and are
often inaccurate. Some items are essentially illegible.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA

Hermann da Fonseca-Wollheim wrote:
The Mormons have a film "Breslau - Birth register 1846-1872" (Film #
1184383) where you should find the parents of Ismar PERITZ. If they were born
in Breslau, you could probably also find the grand-parents in another film.

Rich Robinson, Daly City, California <richrobinson2005@yahoo.com> wrote:
...His parents were Adolph and Sarah PERITZ (her unmarried name is also
given, WIELUNER). I would be grateful for anyone who has information or can
recommend sources to consult ....


German SIG #Germany Re: AW: PERITZ family from Breslau #germany

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Careful! The film in question is not quite as labeled. It does indeed
contain records of births in Breslau in 1846-1872, but only a fraction
of them, because it is neither a synagogue register nor a local court
civil register.

Instead, it's a midwife's register. It records the 2000+ births that
*one* particular Jewish midwife in Breslau attended. Consider the size
of the Breslau Jewish community in those days, this cannot be more than
20% of the total births.

That said, I have a rough transcription of the register. There would
seem to have been at least two wives associated with Adolph PERITZ--or
perhaps two Adolph PERITZes. The dates do not rule out either
possibility. Adolph P and Dorel (common kinnui for Sara) WIELUNER are
listed twice: Minna (28 Sep 1858) and Max (31 Dec 1861). The other
wife, Dorel KEMPNER, had children by Adolph P. in the preceding years.
No Ismar among them.

[Minna and Max...perhaps he was a mathematician...8-)]

If Ismar was born later and doesn't appear here that could mean any
number of things, e.g., that the family had moved to a different part of
town, or that the midwife who kept the register wasn't available that night.

Those who look at this register may be amused by the cartoons on the
front cover--a father coming to fetch the midwife, and the midwife
traipsing along in the middle of the night.

On a more general note, this film is one of the "Gatermann" films, most
of which were made at the end of WW II >from items in the Breslau Jewish
Community Archive. The originals are lost. The descriptions in the LDS
catalogue generally follow those at the beginning of each film, and are
often inaccurate. Some items are essentially illegible.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA

Hermann da Fonseca-Wollheim wrote:
The Mormons have a film "Breslau - Birth register 1846-1872" (Film #
1184383) where you should find the parents of Ismar PERITZ. If they were born
in Breslau, you could probably also find the grand-parents in another film.

Rich Robinson, Daly City, California <richrobinson2005@yahoo.com> wrote:
...His parents were Adolph and Sarah PERITZ (her unmarried name is also
given, WIELUNER). I would be grateful for anyone who has information or can
recommend sources to consult ....


Volunteers required #usa

JPLowens@...
 

The enthusiastic support for a proposal to enhance the Early American SIG
website must be matched by offers to do the work required.

This is a volunteer organization.

All the endorsements of well-meaning proposals are meaningless
without volunteers.

Any proposal must be in keeping with JewishGen guidelines.

A project manager would have to work with JewishGen,
coordinate the work of the other volunteers
and find and guide one with the technical expertise required.

Future messages in support of improving the EA SIG
should include descriptions of what the sender is willing to do
to help make those improvements happen.

John Paul Lowens, Suburban NYC


Early American SIG #USA Volunteers required #usa

JPLowens@...
 

The enthusiastic support for a proposal to enhance the Early American SIG
website must be matched by offers to do the work required.

This is a volunteer organization.

All the endorsements of well-meaning proposals are meaningless
without volunteers.

Any proposal must be in keeping with JewishGen guidelines.

A project manager would have to work with JewishGen,
coordinate the work of the other volunteers
and find and guide one with the technical expertise required.

Future messages in support of improving the EA SIG
should include descriptions of what the sender is willing to do
to help make those improvements happen.

John Paul Lowens, Suburban NYC


Re: Helene Kenvin's web proposal #usa

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

I know very little about early American Jewish life, having only identified
a few distant relatives who were here before 1880. So, the ideas below
might be impractical or redundant:

1) How about compiling a list of all towns in the U.S. that had a synagogue
before the year 1880? Perhaps, some major institutions might be willing to
help with such a project, if it has not already been done (perhaps, such a
list has already been published?).

2) How about organizing volunteers on a town-by-town basis to try to record
the names of all Jews who lived in the smaller of these towns (i.e., not New
York) prior to 1880, >from census records, cemetery records, etc?

3) It might also be helpful to contact the towns' historical societies and
public libraries. I have received large amounts of genealogical/historical
material >from the historical society of Ligonier, Indiana and the public
library of LaCrosse, Wisconsin, which I have not found publicly elsewhere
(and which I intend to donate to the Leo Baeck Institute). Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu near Washington, D.C.


Early American SIG #USA Re: Helene Kenvin's web proposal #usa

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

I know very little about early American Jewish life, having only identified
a few distant relatives who were here before 1880. So, the ideas below
might be impractical or redundant:

1) How about compiling a list of all towns in the U.S. that had a synagogue
before the year 1880? Perhaps, some major institutions might be willing to
help with such a project, if it has not already been done (perhaps, such a
list has already been published?).

2) How about organizing volunteers on a town-by-town basis to try to record
the names of all Jews who lived in the smaller of these towns (i.e., not New
York) prior to 1880, >from census records, cemetery records, etc?

3) It might also be helpful to contact the towns' historical societies and
public libraries. I have received large amounts of genealogical/historical
material >from the historical society of Ligonier, Indiana and the public
library of LaCrosse, Wisconsin, which I have not found publicly elsewhere
(and which I intend to donate to the Leo Baeck Institute). Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu near Washington, D.C.


American community links #usa

Joyce Field
 

I think it would be a wonderful research project to create "American
Jewish community links." Yes, there could be links to JOWBR. Yes,
more American cemeteries need to be photographed and the inscriptions
translated, if necessary, and the data and photos donated to JOWBR.

Hadassah Lipsius told me at the New York conference that she was
astounded at the ovewhelming response to the cemetery tours organized
by the conference. People are coming to recognize the valuable
genealogical information available on tombstone inscriptions. There
are many abandoned cemeteries in small towns across the U.S. It
would be a major contribution to US Jewish history if the burial records
were in one central database. The Early American SIG can help this happen.

The SIG might want to consider having a research coordinator to work
with JewishGen staff on implementing these important projects.

Kudos to Helene Kenvin for her suggestions.

Joyce Field JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition


Early American SIG #USA American community links #usa

Joyce Field
 

I think it would be a wonderful research project to create "American
Jewish community links." Yes, there could be links to JOWBR. Yes,
more American cemeteries need to be photographed and the inscriptions
translated, if necessary, and the data and photos donated to JOWBR.

Hadassah Lipsius told me at the New York conference that she was
astounded at the ovewhelming response to the cemetery tours organized
by the conference. People are coming to recognize the valuable
genealogical information available on tombstone inscriptions. There
are many abandoned cemeteries in small towns across the U.S. It
would be a major contribution to US Jewish history if the burial records
were in one central database. The Early American SIG can help this happen.

The SIG might want to consider having a research coordinator to work
with JewishGen staff on implementing these important projects.

Kudos to Helene Kenvin for her suggestions.

Joyce Field JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition


Replacing a military grave marker #usa

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear All,
During the conference I visited my ggp's and great uncle's graves at Mt
Carmel Cemetery. My uncle died at 19 in 1919 in WWI France and has a military
marker. After 87 years in the elements the marker is very worn and cannot be
read.

Has anyone ever had a military marker replaced through the Department of
Veterans Affairs? Or ever tried to have the marker replaced? What were the
costs involved?
If you have any information or hints you can share [by private Email], that would
be great. Best Regards,

Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272) Corona, California YLCA87@aol.com


Early American SIG #USA Replacing a military grave marker #usa

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear All,
During the conference I visited my ggp's and great uncle's graves at Mt
Carmel Cemetery. My uncle died at 19 in 1919 in WWI France and has a military
marker. After 87 years in the elements the marker is very worn and cannot be
read.

Has anyone ever had a military marker replaced through the Department of
Veterans Affairs? Or ever tried to have the marker replaced? What were the
costs involved?
If you have any information or hints you can share [by private Email], that would
be great. Best Regards,

Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272) Corona, California YLCA87@aol.com


STEINBERG (Keydan and NY) #rabbinic

estelle
 

The translation given to me of the Yiddish inscription on my
ggrandfather's tall obelisk tombstone in Washington Cemetery,
Brooklyn, says he is Rav haGaon Yisroel Tzadok STEINBERG (1837-1926)
son of Shlomo Zalman >from Keiden.

It also says he was great among those who knew Torah and stems from
sages. His wife, Yetta Rivka (1842-1913), a teacher, daughter of
Reb Yosef >from Rosein is buried next to him.

How can I learn more about these men? I could not find them on the
rabbinic database of JewishGen. I believe Yisroel Tzaddok
(Israel/Isadore?) came to NY about 1880.

I would appreciate help.

Estelle Guttman
Reston, VA


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic STEINBERG (Keydan and NY) #rabbinic

estelle
 

The translation given to me of the Yiddish inscription on my
ggrandfather's tall obelisk tombstone in Washington Cemetery,
Brooklyn, says he is Rav haGaon Yisroel Tzadok STEINBERG (1837-1926)
son of Shlomo Zalman >from Keiden.

It also says he was great among those who knew Torah and stems from
sages. His wife, Yetta Rivka (1842-1913), a teacher, daughter of
Reb Yosef >from Rosein is buried next to him.

How can I learn more about these men? I could not find them on the
rabbinic database of JewishGen. I believe Yisroel Tzaddok
(Israel/Isadore?) came to NY about 1880.

I would appreciate help.

Estelle Guttman
Reston, VA


Re: Proposal on Early American Site #usa

V2268@...
 

This proposal sounds as if succesful it could advance our understanding not
only of Jewish history and identity in America but expose the social conditions
that forced so many immigrants to change their names in part or entirely due
to religious reasons. It could contribute to the ongoing discourse on the
problems in historical analysis of the earliest period of colonization as well,
which for so long have been characterized by a disregard for the fact that
Portuguese and Spanish and some others were here well before the English. And, of
course, it may help each of us determine our relationship to the Jewish people
at large.

Victoria Bennett San Jose, CA v2268@cs.com


Early American SIG #USA Re: Proposal on Early American Site #usa

V2268@...
 

This proposal sounds as if succesful it could advance our understanding not
only of Jewish history and identity in America but expose the social conditions
that forced so many immigrants to change their names in part or entirely due
to religious reasons. It could contribute to the ongoing discourse on the
problems in historical analysis of the earliest period of colonization as well,
which for so long have been characterized by a disregard for the fact that
Portuguese and Spanish and some others were here well before the English. And, of
course, it may help each of us determine our relationship to the Jewish people
at large.

Victoria Bennett San Jose, CA v2268@cs.com


Re: Proposal For A Different Kind of Web Site for Early American SIG #usa

DonnDevine@...
 

In a message dated 8/23/2006 Helene Kenvin hekenvin@bellsouth.net writes
My name is Helene Kenvin. Some of my ancestors emigrated here before
1860 -- possibly as early as 1846, but they definitely were here for the
1860 census. I am a long-time lurker on the EAS email list.
<snip>
I envision a large site similar to Shtetlinks, with sub-sites for
19th century American-Jewish communities throughout the US. The time-frame
might include anything before 1910.


Helene, I heartily endorese your proposal, and am only sorry that time
doesn't permit me to help.

My one concern, however, is your suggestion to broaden the coverage to as
late as 1910. I've always been a bit uncomfortable that the current 1880 limit
goes a bit too far, overlapping the beginnings of the heavy Jewish
immigration >from various areas of central and eastern Europe, most of which are
altready covered by SIGs, and some Web presence, of their own.

With that caution, I would certainly find what you propose very
useful.However, without the special focus of the Early American SIG, the
substantial 1840-1870 Jewish immigration may tend to be lost among the far
greater numbers of later arrivals.

Donn Devine Wilmington, Delaware. USA DonnDevine@aol.com


Early American SIG #USA Re: Proposal For A Different Kind of Web Site for Early American SIG #usa

DonnDevine@...
 

In a message dated 8/23/2006 Helene Kenvin hekenvin@bellsouth.net writes
My name is Helene Kenvin. Some of my ancestors emigrated here before
1860 -- possibly as early as 1846, but they definitely were here for the
1860 census. I am a long-time lurker on the EAS email list.
<snip>
I envision a large site similar to Shtetlinks, with sub-sites for
19th century American-Jewish communities throughout the US. The time-frame
might include anything before 1910.


Helene, I heartily endorese your proposal, and am only sorry that time
doesn't permit me to help.

My one concern, however, is your suggestion to broaden the coverage to as
late as 1910. I've always been a bit uncomfortable that the current 1880 limit
goes a bit too far, overlapping the beginnings of the heavy Jewish
immigration >from various areas of central and eastern Europe, most of which are
altready covered by SIGs, and some Web presence, of their own.

With that caution, I would certainly find what you propose very
useful.However, without the special focus of the Early American SIG, the
substantial 1840-1870 Jewish immigration may tend to be lost among the far
greater numbers of later arrivals.

Donn Devine Wilmington, Delaware. USA DonnDevine@aol.com


Replacing a military grave marker #germany

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear All,
During the conference I visited my ggp's and great uncle's graves at Mt.
Carmel Cemetery. My uncle died at 19 in 1919 in WWI France and has a military
marker. After 87 years in the elements the marker is very worn and cannot be
read.

Has anyone ever had a military marker replaced through the Department of
Veterans Affairs? Or ever tried to have the marker replaced? What were the
costs involved?
If you have any information or hints you can share, that would be great.
Best Regards,

Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272) Corona, California YLCA87@aol.com


German SIG #Germany Replacing a military grave marker #germany

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear All,
During the conference I visited my ggp's and great uncle's graves at Mt.
Carmel Cemetery. My uncle died at 19 in 1919 in WWI France and has a military
marker. After 87 years in the elements the marker is very worn and cannot be
read.

Has anyone ever had a military marker replaced through the Department of
Veterans Affairs? Or ever tried to have the marker replaced? What were the
costs involved?
If you have any information or hints you can share, that would be great.
Best Regards,

Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272) Corona, California YLCA87@aol.com


Rabbi Moshe Soloveichik who died Gottingen in 1896 #germany

Stephen Denker
 

In 2003 there was a Rabbinic SIG posting about Rabbi Moshe SOLOVEICHIK, head
of the Great Yeshiva of Suwalki. On page 120 of the Suwalki Yizkor Book
there is this passage: "Rabbi Moshe son of Rabbi Yaakov SOLOVEICHIK,
son-in-law of the elder of the religious court judge Rabbi Naftali Prendel,
was active in community work in Suwalk. He died in Gottingen in 1896."
Photographs of his gravestone do not say "HaLevi" after his name on the
stone. The Brisker SOLOVEICHIK rabbinic family members are Leviim and that
fact was invariably given as an integral part of their name on title pages
of their publications, gravestones, etc.

As far as I know, although there are Brisker rabbis named Moshe and Yaakov,
there is no Moshe son of Yaacov and he is not mentioned in any Brisker
SOLOVEICHIK biography.

So Rabbi Moshe ben Yaakov SOLOVEICHIK, a Yisroel and not a Levi, presumably
was of a different rabbinic SOLOVEICHIK family than the famous Brisk
rabbinic dynasty.

I would appreciate any information about this rabbinic SOLOVEICHIK family.
My great grandmother, born 1841, was a SOLOVEICHIK. I am unsure if she was
a Levi or a Yisroel.

Stephen Denker Brookline, MA <spdenker@rcn.com>


Re: Descendancy from the Kotzker #rabbinic

AryeDon@aol.com
 

On 2006.08.23, Linda Greenbaum <dgreenfam@aol.com> writes:

According to family lore, my husband, David, is a sixth generation
descendent of the Kotzker Rabbi. We believe he is descended >from a
child of Menachem Mendel and his first wife, Glicke. Does anyone
know the name(s) and birth dates of their children( besides Dovid
MORGENSTERN b. 1809)
Dear Linda,

While I am sure that there are people who would like to help, you
will have to provide more information, like names of your husband's
parents, grandparents and so on.

There was a daughter (Sarah Zinnah MORGENSTERN) who married Avraham
BORENSTEIN, the 1st Sochatchover Rebbe, author of the Avnei Nezer.

Sincerely,
Rabbi Arye Don Gordon
Los Angeles, US