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Different surnames for 37Y exact match #dna

Joyce Oshrin <joshrin@...>
 

I have written to the 2 names that had a 37Y exact match to our
families' DNA. Neither has answered me as their surnames are
different and they probably think we are not related.. But that can
happen.

When indexing the records >from my town of Koden, Lublin,
Poland/Russia, I found a lot of surname changes.

1. In the early 1810/22 years when the people finally took a
surname, one family. had a surname ( I'll say it was SEGAL).. A few
years later, the three brothers all had different surnames, ( SEGAL,
KAUFMAN, BITNER - I'm making up these names). That's the names they
permanently kept. If your last name was Kaufman today, you'd get
hits on the Segal name and probably wonder why.

2. Two different women had illegitimate babies. Their fathers came
to the clerk and registered the babies and the father's name. The
fathers in each case were married to other women. The babies were
given their mother's surname.

3. In my case, the ancestry might go back before Jews had surnames.
My farthest ancestor, Mordecai Szeyderman ( 1773-abt 1830) had
Itzek. Itzek changed his surname to Szeynersznayder. There are
Szeydermans in Koden. Are they related? Did Mordecai have brothers
who picked different surnames? Were any of their descendents those
who were picked up by DNA in my brother's DNA match? I'll never know
unless the men with our 37Y match answer me and let me know where
their families originated?

4. The father of one woman came to the clerk, twice in 3 years to
register the birth of child. Each time he gave his daughter's name
and said the name of the father was unknown. The 2 boys were given
her maiden name as she was unmarried. It could be that she was
married to a Christian and the clerk deliberately left off this
information and the name. I have no idea why this was done or
recorded in this manner. Anyone tracing a DNA descendant of these
boys would have problems.

This is just a suggestion why a DNA surname search may not come up
with your surname.

Joyce Oshrin
joshrin@Att.net


DNA Research #DNA Different surnames for 37Y exact match #dna

Joyce Oshrin <joshrin@...>
 

I have written to the 2 names that had a 37Y exact match to our
families' DNA. Neither has answered me as their surnames are
different and they probably think we are not related.. But that can
happen.

When indexing the records >from my town of Koden, Lublin,
Poland/Russia, I found a lot of surname changes.

1. In the early 1810/22 years when the people finally took a
surname, one family. had a surname ( I'll say it was SEGAL).. A few
years later, the three brothers all had different surnames, ( SEGAL,
KAUFMAN, BITNER - I'm making up these names). That's the names they
permanently kept. If your last name was Kaufman today, you'd get
hits on the Segal name and probably wonder why.

2. Two different women had illegitimate babies. Their fathers came
to the clerk and registered the babies and the father's name. The
fathers in each case were married to other women. The babies were
given their mother's surname.

3. In my case, the ancestry might go back before Jews had surnames.
My farthest ancestor, Mordecai Szeyderman ( 1773-abt 1830) had
Itzek. Itzek changed his surname to Szeynersznayder. There are
Szeydermans in Koden. Are they related? Did Mordecai have brothers
who picked different surnames? Were any of their descendents those
who were picked up by DNA in my brother's DNA match? I'll never know
unless the men with our 37Y match answer me and let me know where
their families originated?

4. The father of one woman came to the clerk, twice in 3 years to
register the birth of child. Each time he gave his daughter's name
and said the name of the father was unknown. The 2 boys were given
her maiden name as she was unmarried. It could be that she was
married to a Christian and the clerk deliberately left off this
information and the name. I have no idea why this was done or
recorded in this manner. Anyone tracing a DNA descendant of these
boys would have problems.

This is just a suggestion why a DNA surname search may not come up
with your surname.

Joyce Oshrin
joshrin@Att.net


R' Michel APOTISHKER #rabbinic

Shoshana L. Boublil
 

I am trying to find biographical and geneological information on
R' Michel APOTISHKER (sp?) who was a Talmid Chaver of the Ba'al
HaTanya.

Any information would be welcome, especially his connection with the
SEGAL family tree.

Shoshana L. Boublil

Researching:
KORB; SKAIST; RABIN; RUBNICH; EPSTEIN; SHERESHEVSKY; OSHEROVITZ;
JOFFE; SEGAL; LEVINE; SHAPIRO; BOUBLIL; ARBIB(ARBIV); KISH.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic R' Michel APOTISHKER #rabbinic

Shoshana L. Boublil
 

I am trying to find biographical and geneological information on
R' Michel APOTISHKER (sp?) who was a Talmid Chaver of the Ba'al
HaTanya.

Any information would be welcome, especially his connection with the
SEGAL family tree.

Shoshana L. Boublil

Researching:
KORB; SKAIST; RABIN; RUBNICH; EPSTEIN; SHERESHEVSKY; OSHEROVITZ;
JOFFE; SEGAL; LEVINE; SHAPIRO; BOUBLIL; ARBIB(ARBIV); KISH.


Alexeiver Rov #rabbinic

Shoshana L. Boublil
 

I am trying to find biographical and geneological information on the
Alexeiver (sp?) Rov, who, if I am not mistaken, was called R' Baruch
RABINOWICH.

Thank you,

Shoshana L. Boublil
Ramat Gan, Israel

Researching:
KORB; SKAIST; RABIN; RUBNICH; EPSTEIN; SHERESHEVSKY; OSHEROVITZ;
JOFFE; KRAMER; SEGAL; LEVINE; SHAPIRO; BOUBLIL; ARBIB(ARBIV); KISH.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Alexeiver Rov #rabbinic

Shoshana L. Boublil
 

I am trying to find biographical and geneological information on the
Alexeiver (sp?) Rov, who, if I am not mistaken, was called R' Baruch
RABINOWICH.

Thank you,

Shoshana L. Boublil
Ramat Gan, Israel

Researching:
KORB; SKAIST; RABIN; RUBNICH; EPSTEIN; SHERESHEVSKY; OSHEROVITZ;
JOFFE; KRAMER; SEGAL; LEVINE; SHAPIRO; BOUBLIL; ARBIB(ARBIV); KISH.


Additions to Holocaust Database #france

Joyce Field
 

We are pleased to announce additions to the Holocaust Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/. With this update,
there are now 1,141,316 records in this collection of databases.

-The Dachau Concentration Camp records have been updated again. This
database now contains 157,960 records. The data entry concluded some
time ago, but the validation of the data entry by Peter Lande of
USHMM is ongoing. The end is near, however.

-The Lublin Ghetto Listings, April 1942, contains 4,587 records.

-World Jewish Congress Collection contains 72,899 records of
Holocaust survivors. The index of files at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/0131_index.html should
be accessed to understand the contents of the database.

Our thanks to all the persons involved in preparing these databases
for their online presentation. Their names appear in the
introductions to the individual databases.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition


French SIG #France Additions to Holocaust Database #france

Joyce Field
 

We are pleased to announce additions to the Holocaust Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/. With this update,
there are now 1,141,316 records in this collection of databases.

-The Dachau Concentration Camp records have been updated again. This
database now contains 157,960 records. The data entry concluded some
time ago, but the validation of the data entry by Peter Lande of
USHMM is ongoing. The end is near, however.

-The Lublin Ghetto Listings, April 1942, contains 4,587 records.

-World Jewish Congress Collection contains 72,899 records of
Holocaust survivors. The index of files at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/0131_index.html should
be accessed to understand the contents of the database.

Our thanks to all the persons involved in preparing these databases
for their online presentation. Their names appear in the
introductions to the individual databases.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition


LOEBL #france

Juan Carlos Emden
 

I am looking to find descendants of the LOEBL family previously living
9 rue de l' Echelle in Paris.

Juan Carlos EMDEN in Valparaiso, Chile

MODERATOR NOTE: If you have not done so already, you may also
search the JewishGen Family Finder at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/
to find others who researching the same surnames and places. If you
create your own entry as well, using the "enter/modify" option,
you will make your information available to other researchers who
will then be able to find you. You should also give us some indication
of the time frame that this family was living in Paris.


French SIG #France LOEBL #france

Juan Carlos Emden
 

I am looking to find descendants of the LOEBL family previously living
9 rue de l' Echelle in Paris.

Juan Carlos EMDEN in Valparaiso, Chile

MODERATOR NOTE: If you have not done so already, you may also
search the JewishGen Family Finder at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/
to find others who researching the same surnames and places. If you
create your own entry as well, using the "enter/modify" option,
you will make your information available to other researchers who
will then be able to find you. You should also give us some indication
of the time frame that this family was living in Paris.


Additions to Holocaust Database #romania

Joyce Field
 

We are pleased to announce additions to the Holocaust Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/. With this update,
there are now 1,141,316 records in this collection of databases.

-The Dachau Concentration Camp records have been updated again. This
database now contains 157,960 records. The data entry concluded some
time ago, but the validation of the data entry by Peter Lande of
USHMM is ongoing. The end is near, however.

-The Lublin Ghetto Listings, April 1942, contains 4,587 records.

-World Jewish Congress Collection contains 72,899 records of
Holocaust survivors. The index of files at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/0131_index.html should
be accessed to understand the contents of the database.

Our thanks to all the persons involved in preparing these databases
for their online presentation. Their names appear in the
introductions to the individual databases.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition


Romania SIG #Romania Additions to Holocaust Database #romania

Joyce Field
 

We are pleased to announce additions to the Holocaust Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/. With this update,
there are now 1,141,316 records in this collection of databases.

-The Dachau Concentration Camp records have been updated again. This
database now contains 157,960 records. The data entry concluded some
time ago, but the validation of the data entry by Peter Lande of
USHMM is ongoing. The end is near, however.

-The Lublin Ghetto Listings, April 1942, contains 4,587 records.

-World Jewish Congress Collection contains 72,899 records of
Holocaust survivors. The index of files at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/0131_index.html should
be accessed to understand the contents of the database.

Our thanks to all the persons involved in preparing these databases
for their online presentation. Their names appear in the
introductions to the individual databases.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition


Additions to Holocaust Database #belarus

Joyce Field
 

We are pleased to announce additions to the Holocaust Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/. With this update,
there are now 1,141,316 records in this collection of databases.

-The Dachau Concentration Camp records have been updated again. This
database now contains 157,960 records. The data entry concluded some
time ago, but the validation of the data entry by Peter Lande of
USHMM is ongoing. The end is near, however.

-The Lublin Ghetto Listings, April 1942, contains 4,587 records.

-World Jewish Congress Collection contains 72,899 records of
Holocaust survivors. The index of files at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/0131_index.html should
be accessed to understand the contents of the database.

Our thanks to all the persons involved in preparing these databases
for their online presentation. Their names appear in the
introductions to the individual databases.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition


Additions to Holocaust Database #yizkorbooks

Joyce Field
 

We are pleased to announce additions to the Holocaust Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/. With this update,
there are now 1,141,316 records in this collection of databases.

-The Dachau Concentration Camp records have been updated again. This
database now contains 157,960 records. The data entry concluded some
time ago, but the validation of the data entry by Peter Lande of
USHMM is ongoing. The end is near, however.

-The Lublin Ghetto Listings, April 1942, contains 4,587 records.

-World Jewish Congress Collection contains 72,899 records of
Holocaust survivors. The index of files at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/0131_index.html should
be accessed to understand the contents of the database.

Our thanks to all the persons involved in preparing these databases
for their online presentation. Their names appear in the
introductions to the individual databases.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition


Belarus SIG #Belarus Additions to Holocaust Database #belarus

Joyce Field
 

We are pleased to announce additions to the Holocaust Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/. With this update,
there are now 1,141,316 records in this collection of databases.

-The Dachau Concentration Camp records have been updated again. This
database now contains 157,960 records. The data entry concluded some
time ago, but the validation of the data entry by Peter Lande of
USHMM is ongoing. The end is near, however.

-The Lublin Ghetto Listings, April 1942, contains 4,587 records.

-World Jewish Congress Collection contains 72,899 records of
Holocaust survivors. The index of files at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/0131_index.html should
be accessed to understand the contents of the database.

Our thanks to all the persons involved in preparing these databases
for their online presentation. Their names appear in the
introductions to the individual databases.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Additions to Holocaust Database #yizkorbooks

Joyce Field
 

We are pleased to announce additions to the Holocaust Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/. With this update,
there are now 1,141,316 records in this collection of databases.

-The Dachau Concentration Camp records have been updated again. This
database now contains 157,960 records. The data entry concluded some
time ago, but the validation of the data entry by Peter Lande of
USHMM is ongoing. The end is near, however.

-The Lublin Ghetto Listings, April 1942, contains 4,587 records.

-World Jewish Congress Collection contains 72,899 records of
Holocaust survivors. The index of files at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/0131_index.html should
be accessed to understand the contents of the database.

Our thanks to all the persons involved in preparing these databases
for their online presentation. Their names appear in the
introductions to the individual databases.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition


Sam Zulty Ellis Island #belarus

franck
 

Hello,


39 Zulty,Sam Kernize, Russia 1914 40y
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/kurenets/k_pages/k_ellis.html


I would like to know where is Kernize (city) in Russia ?


Franck d'Almeida-Zolty
France
franck.d-almeida@wanadoo.fr


Belarus SIG #Belarus Sam Zulty Ellis Island #belarus

franck
 

Hello,


39 Zulty,Sam Kernize, Russia 1914 40y
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/kurenets/k_pages/k_ellis.html


I would like to know where is Kernize (city) in Russia ?


Franck d'Almeida-Zolty
France
franck.d-almeida@wanadoo.fr


LAPSER- surname insight into meaning of name? #general

BRENERDA@...
 

With the addition of millions of names >from passenger lists put online by a
commercial site and some excellent detective work by me, after 30 years of
searching, I found the arrival of my ancestors on 3 Jun 1857 on the John
Bertram out of Hamburg into New York.

I write to see if anyone can shed some light onto the meaning of the
surname, as recorded, of LAPSER. First a bit of background information.

The family is Jewish >from Koschmin, Pleschen, Posen, Prussia. By the 1860
census the surname had become LEVY (LEVI). The occupation listed on the
passenger manifest was cap maker. A brother or cousin already in the US was
also a cap maker. His surname, >from the 1850 to 1870 census evolved >from LEWIN
to LEBER to LEVY. Of course, I fully understand the possibility of error on
part of the census enumerator.

The head of the household's 1868 tombstone states that he was Shmuel Eliezer
ben Kasriel (Solomon Eleazer on marriage register in 1878 of his son).
Koschmin records, provided to me as a response to a previous posting refer,
several times, to a Kasriel LEWY or LEWI. (I have not yet viewed the microfilms.)

Some additional background would be the changes of names >from the passenger
list to those used in the 1870 census and thereafter. (1860 census is
somewhat illegible)

LAPSER TO LEVY

Leiser to Louis or Sylvester Louis (person above)
Bertha to Rebecca (1860 census looks like "Petta")
Ernestine to Esther (1860 census looks like "(Heista)
Marie to Mary (1860 census is Mary)
Moritz to Morris (1860 census is Morris)
Jacob stayed as Jacob.

Can anyone help me understand the derivation of the names? I can find
nothing online about LAPSER. I do understand the given name changes as
Americazation of the names. I also understand, although the manifest is very
clear and legible, that LAPSER itself could be the recorders interpretation
of what he heard.

Thank you!

David Brener, Fargo, ND


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LAPSER- surname insight into meaning of name? #general

BRENERDA@...
 

With the addition of millions of names >from passenger lists put online by a
commercial site and some excellent detective work by me, after 30 years of
searching, I found the arrival of my ancestors on 3 Jun 1857 on the John
Bertram out of Hamburg into New York.

I write to see if anyone can shed some light onto the meaning of the
surname, as recorded, of LAPSER. First a bit of background information.

The family is Jewish >from Koschmin, Pleschen, Posen, Prussia. By the 1860
census the surname had become LEVY (LEVI). The occupation listed on the
passenger manifest was cap maker. A brother or cousin already in the US was
also a cap maker. His surname, >from the 1850 to 1870 census evolved >from LEWIN
to LEBER to LEVY. Of course, I fully understand the possibility of error on
part of the census enumerator.

The head of the household's 1868 tombstone states that he was Shmuel Eliezer
ben Kasriel (Solomon Eleazer on marriage register in 1878 of his son).
Koschmin records, provided to me as a response to a previous posting refer,
several times, to a Kasriel LEWY or LEWI. (I have not yet viewed the microfilms.)

Some additional background would be the changes of names >from the passenger
list to those used in the 1870 census and thereafter. (1860 census is
somewhat illegible)

LAPSER TO LEVY

Leiser to Louis or Sylvester Louis (person above)
Bertha to Rebecca (1860 census looks like "Petta")
Ernestine to Esther (1860 census looks like "(Heista)
Marie to Mary (1860 census is Mary)
Moritz to Morris (1860 census is Morris)
Jacob stayed as Jacob.

Can anyone help me understand the derivation of the names? I can find
nothing online about LAPSER. I do understand the given name changes as
Americazation of the names. I also understand, although the manifest is very
clear and legible, that LAPSER itself could be the recorders interpretation
of what he heard.

Thank you!

David Brener, Fargo, ND