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Re: "Tracing Your Family Roots" #dna

DonnDevine@...
 

On 2007.06.13, Herbert Huebscher <huebsch@optonline.net> wrote:

[...] I would like to call attention to the website "Tracing Your
Family Roots" and the interviews about Jewish Genealogy available
on, and linked to the site.

The most recent interview posted on the site is that of myself [...]
reporting on our on-going DNA based Jewish Genealogy project
regarding the WIRTH group. (WIRTH is an acronym, standing for
the first five families identified as belonging to the group.) [...]
Sorry--I'm not into the multi-media stuff with my dial-up
connection, and will not be attending the IAJGS conference, so have
to ask my questions here:

What are the qualifying characteristics for the WIRTH [acronym, not
surname] group?

Is there a web site (not video) that shows its results?

Donn Devine
Wilmington Delaware USA


DNA Research #DNA Re:"Tracing Your Family Roots" #dna

DonnDevine@...
 

On 2007.06.13, Herbert Huebscher <huebsch@optonline.net> wrote:

[...] I would like to call attention to the website "Tracing Your
Family Roots" and the interviews about Jewish Genealogy available
on, and linked to the site.

The most recent interview posted on the site is that of myself [...]
reporting on our on-going DNA based Jewish Genealogy project
regarding the WIRTH group. (WIRTH is an acronym, standing for
the first five families identified as belonging to the group.) [...]
Sorry--I'm not into the multi-media stuff with my dial-up
connection, and will not be attending the IAJGS conference, so have
to ask my questions here:

What are the qualifying characteristics for the WIRTH [acronym, not
surname] group?

Is there a web site (not video) that shows its results?

Donn Devine
Wilmington Delaware USA


Galician Links in the Museum of Military History & Jewish War Memorial, Vienna #galicia

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

We must not forget this museum which is housed in a spectacular
building - The Arsenal. I am ashamed to say I have never given
myself two days off to visit it.

I am sure there will be records of Galician regiments:

http://www.hgm.or.at/eng/

I particularly wish to see this picture housed in the museum which
should be of interest to at least one Galicia-SIG member. The artist,
Armin HOROVITZ, was a family friend who became a refugee in England.
His father was the famous Habsburg Court painter, Leopold Horovitz.
Isonzo was one of the fiercest battles of WW1 and Galician regiments
were actively involved:

http://www.art-ww1.com/gb/texte/039text.html

For WW1 battles in the Dolomites in which Galician regiments played
a very important role see:

http://www.quaeschning.de/dolomiten/html/c_kriegskalender_1915.htm
http://www.quaeschning.de/dolomiten/html/c_kriegskalender_1916.htm
http://www.quaeschning.de/dolomiten/html/c_kriegskalender_1917.htm
http://www.quaeschning.de/dolomiten/html/c_kriegskalender_1918.htm

find: *Galiz* should get the references.

There are also quite a few Galician soldiers buried in Vienna in
the Zentralfriedhof [were they brought to Vienna as war casualties?]
and nearby is an impressive War Memorial for Jewish soldiers. Some
are definitely Galician. So far no-one has been able to tell me what
the rationale was behind the choice of names engraved on this
memorial. There appears to be no record. I find that very bizarre.
I have photographs I can send you.

Celia Male [U.K.]


HaCohen Hollander from Barnow (Galicia) #rabbinic

Ami Elyasaf
 

I am searching the HaCohen Hollander family >from Barnow (Galicia)
area.

See below for two descendant trees for Shraga Fievel HOLLANDER.

I would like to know the following:
1. Is Shraga Feivel >from tree #1 the same person as in tree #2?
2. If the answer for question 1 is yes, is Bat BIEGELEISEN from
tree #1 Esther Beile >from tree #2 (she might be his 2nd wife)?
3. Are David & Moshe (#4 & #5 at tree #1) Simcha's children (as
appears there) or are they his brothers?

Thanks
Ami Elyasaf

Tree #1:
Shraga Fievel Hacohen HOLLANDER was born Abt. 1815. He married Bat
BIEGELEISEN, daughter of Shlomo BIEGELEISEN and Malka LIPSCHUTZ.
She was born Abt. 1815. Child of Shraga HOLLANDER and Bat
BIEGELEISEN is: Simcha, born Abt. 1840. Children of Simcha
HOLLANDER are: 1 - Rabbi Abraham, born 1865; died 1915. He married
ZUCKER; born in Majdan. Author of: "Tiferet Avraham" 1903 Lived in
Baranow; 1903 ABD Rudnik; 2 - David; 3 - Moshe

Tree #2:
Shrage Feiivish HaCohen HOLLANDER. He married Esther Baile.
Children of Shrage HOLLANDER and Esther Baile are: 1 - Rachel, she
married Abraham Abbish Aaron KLEINBERGER; 2 - Naftuli, born 1859;
died 1934 in Lezhensk. He married Chaja STOLLBACH. She died in
Lezhensk; 3 - Mendel; 4 - Sheindl Perl, she married Avrohom Duvid
ROTH.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Galician Links in the Museum of Military History & Jewish War Memorial, Vienna #galicia

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

We must not forget this museum which is housed in a spectacular
building - The Arsenal. I am ashamed to say I have never given
myself two days off to visit it.

I am sure there will be records of Galician regiments:

http://www.hgm.or.at/eng/

I particularly wish to see this picture housed in the museum which
should be of interest to at least one Galicia-SIG member. The artist,
Armin HOROVITZ, was a family friend who became a refugee in England.
His father was the famous Habsburg Court painter, Leopold Horovitz.
Isonzo was one of the fiercest battles of WW1 and Galician regiments
were actively involved:

http://www.art-ww1.com/gb/texte/039text.html

For WW1 battles in the Dolomites in which Galician regiments played
a very important role see:

http://www.quaeschning.de/dolomiten/html/c_kriegskalender_1915.htm
http://www.quaeschning.de/dolomiten/html/c_kriegskalender_1916.htm
http://www.quaeschning.de/dolomiten/html/c_kriegskalender_1917.htm
http://www.quaeschning.de/dolomiten/html/c_kriegskalender_1918.htm

find: *Galiz* should get the references.

There are also quite a few Galician soldiers buried in Vienna in
the Zentralfriedhof [were they brought to Vienna as war casualties?]
and nearby is an impressive War Memorial for Jewish soldiers. Some
are definitely Galician. So far no-one has been able to tell me what
the rationale was behind the choice of names engraved on this
memorial. There appears to be no record. I find that very bizarre.
I have photographs I can send you.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic HaCohen Hollander from Barnow (Galicia) #rabbinic

Ami Elyasaf
 

I am searching the HaCohen Hollander family >from Barnow (Galicia)
area.

See below for two descendant trees for Shraga Fievel HOLLANDER.

I would like to know the following:
1. Is Shraga Feivel >from tree #1 the same person as in tree #2?
2. If the answer for question 1 is yes, is Bat BIEGELEISEN from
tree #1 Esther Beile >from tree #2 (she might be his 2nd wife)?
3. Are David & Moshe (#4 & #5 at tree #1) Simcha's children (as
appears there) or are they his brothers?

Thanks
Ami Elyasaf

Tree #1:
Shraga Fievel Hacohen HOLLANDER was born Abt. 1815. He married Bat
BIEGELEISEN, daughter of Shlomo BIEGELEISEN and Malka LIPSCHUTZ.
She was born Abt. 1815. Child of Shraga HOLLANDER and Bat
BIEGELEISEN is: Simcha, born Abt. 1840. Children of Simcha
HOLLANDER are: 1 - Rabbi Abraham, born 1865; died 1915. He married
ZUCKER; born in Majdan. Author of: "Tiferet Avraham" 1903 Lived in
Baranow; 1903 ABD Rudnik; 2 - David; 3 - Moshe

Tree #2:
Shrage Feiivish HaCohen HOLLANDER. He married Esther Baile.
Children of Shrage HOLLANDER and Esther Baile are: 1 - Rachel, she
married Abraham Abbish Aaron KLEINBERGER; 2 - Naftuli, born 1859;
died 1934 in Lezhensk. He married Chaja STOLLBACH. She died in
Lezhensk; 3 - Mendel; 4 - Sheindl Perl, she married Avrohom Duvid
ROTH.


HaCohen HOLLANDER from Baranow (Galicia) #galicia

Ami Elyasaf
 

I am searching the HaCohen HOLLANDER family >from Baranow (Galicia)
area.

See below two descendant trees for Shraga Fievel HOLLANDER.

Tree #1:
Shraga Fievel HaCohen HOLLANDER was born abt. 1815. He married Bat
BIEGELEISEN, daughter of Shlomo BIEGELEISEN and Malka LIPSCHUTZ.
She was born abt. 1815. Child of Shraga HOLLANDER and Bat
BIEGELEISEN is: Simcha, born abt. 1840. Children of Simcha HOLLANDER
are: 1 - Rabbi Abraham, born 1865; died 1915. He married ZUCKER;
born in Majdan. Author of: "Tiferet Avraham" 1903. Lived in Baranow;
1903 ABD Rudnik; 2 - David; 3 - Moshe.

Tree #2:
Shrage Feiivish HaCohen HOLLANDER. He married Esther Baile. Children
of Shrage HOLLANDER and Esther Baile are: 1 - Rachel, she married
Abraham Abbish Aaron KLEINBERGER; 2 - Naftuli, born 1859; died 1934
in Lezhensk. He married Chaja STOLLBACH. She died in Lezhensk;
3 - Mendel; 4 - Sheindl Perl, she married Avrohom Duvid ROTH.

I would like to know the following:

1. Is Shraga Feivel >from tree #1 the same person as in tree #2?

2. If the answer for question 1 is yes, is Bat BIEGELEISEN >from tree
#1 Esther Baile >from tree #2? (She might be his second wife.)

3. Are David and Moshe (#4 and #5 at tree #1) Simcha's children (as
appears there) or they are his brothers?

Thanks
Ami Elyasaf

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Unless you have a comment of general interest,
please respond privately.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia HaCohen HOLLANDER from Baranow (Galicia) #galicia

Ami Elyasaf
 

I am searching the HaCohen HOLLANDER family >from Baranow (Galicia)
area.

See below two descendant trees for Shraga Fievel HOLLANDER.

Tree #1:
Shraga Fievel HaCohen HOLLANDER was born abt. 1815. He married Bat
BIEGELEISEN, daughter of Shlomo BIEGELEISEN and Malka LIPSCHUTZ.
She was born abt. 1815. Child of Shraga HOLLANDER and Bat
BIEGELEISEN is: Simcha, born abt. 1840. Children of Simcha HOLLANDER
are: 1 - Rabbi Abraham, born 1865; died 1915. He married ZUCKER;
born in Majdan. Author of: "Tiferet Avraham" 1903. Lived in Baranow;
1903 ABD Rudnik; 2 - David; 3 - Moshe.

Tree #2:
Shrage Feiivish HaCohen HOLLANDER. He married Esther Baile. Children
of Shrage HOLLANDER and Esther Baile are: 1 - Rachel, she married
Abraham Abbish Aaron KLEINBERGER; 2 - Naftuli, born 1859; died 1934
in Lezhensk. He married Chaja STOLLBACH. She died in Lezhensk;
3 - Mendel; 4 - Sheindl Perl, she married Avrohom Duvid ROTH.

I would like to know the following:

1. Is Shraga Feivel >from tree #1 the same person as in tree #2?

2. If the answer for question 1 is yes, is Bat BIEGELEISEN >from tree
#1 Esther Baile >from tree #2? (She might be his second wife.)

3. Are David and Moshe (#4 and #5 at tree #1) Simcha's children (as
appears there) or they are his brothers?

Thanks
Ami Elyasaf

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Unless you have a comment of general interest,
please respond privately.


Translation from Polish and/or Gothic German of one sentence #galicia

roe kard
 

I have posted the first few lines >from a contract >from the 1820's
that includes the names of some of my family members. I am trying
to understand the relationship between them e.g. father - sons? I
think it is Polish and Gothic German, but am not sure. It is one
sentence long. Thank you for your help.

Viewmate: VM10091
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp

Karen Roekard
aka Gitl Chaye Eta Rosenfeld Roekart

roekard@lmi.net
or
roekard@santacruzhag.com


The Grave and Tombstone of Rabbi Isaac Charif of Sambor #galicia

Maly & Ofer Cohen
 

Our grandfather, Rabbi Isaac Charif (surname: Heiselbeck) was the
Rabbi (AB"D) of Sambor in the area of Lvov/Lemberg (at the time
Galicia, Poland; presently part of Western Ukraine), >from 1780
through 1813. He was buried there in the Jewish cemetery. There
are witnesses to the existence of his tombstone until the outbreak
of WW2. The following is an excerpt >from the Sambor Memorial Book
(1980):

"The old Jewish cemetery: In Sambor the old Jewish cemetery was
preserved >from the 1500's until the outbreak of WWII. Among others,
there was the grave of Rabbi Isaac Charif who died in 1813. Next to
his tombstone was one dated 1794 with the Polish eagle symbol on it.
It appears >from the Hebrew inscription to belong to a Moshe
Shmuelewitz who was an officer in the Polish Army..."

In a description of a visit to the cemetery >from 1974, written by
Jack Gardner (Sambor Memorial Book, pp. 235-237), he describes the
cemetery as being decrepit with overturned and broken tombstones.
from the pictures shown there, one can see part of the cemetery with
many tombstones in disrepair. >from the time of his visit, Jack
Gardner, who died a few years ago, tried for many years to restore
and maintain the cemetery. This included erecting a fence around it.

from the available current information, it seems that the cemetery
area is now a grassy fenced in field with no evidence of any
tombstones at all. It is likely that some of the fallen tombstones
are buried underneath the ground. The cemetery also includes a mass
grave of 1200 Jews murdered there in 1943. A number of years ago,
the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis erected some large crosses in middle of the
area. This information was publicized and mentioned in a report to
the American Congress.
www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/2004_Report.pdf

We are trying to gather general information about Sambor, and
specifically information relating to the cemetery before WWII in
order to:
1. find a picture of the grave and particularly the tombstone of
Rabbi Charif
2. determine the exact location of the gravesite in the field area
3. try to gather pictures of graves of the Heiselbeck family members
(descendents of Rabbi Charif's son).

We would be very grateful to you if you would be able to assist us
in the following manner:

a. Provide a list of people that are still alive who lived in Sambor
in the 1930's or who may have a connection to someone who may
remember the location of the gravesite.
b. Provide any pictures, lists, entries, documents relating to the
old Jewish cemetery in Sambor.
c. Any additional information that you think would be helpful in our
search.

Pre-war Sambor had approximately 6,000 Jews. In the years preceding
WWII there were many Sambor inhabitants that moved to various
locations in Europe, the United States and Israel. We would like to
believe that someone - somewhere, one of the Sambor families have a
photograph of the gravesite and tombstone of Rabbi Isaac Charif >from
before the war.

Please forward this request to anyone whom you think may be able to
assist us in any way possible.

Thanking you in advance,

Respectfully yours,

The SIH group (descendants of Rabbi Isaac Charif)
Please write to: Ofer Cohen, Jerusalem, omcohen@013.net.il


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Translation from Polish and/or Gothic German of one sentence #galicia

roe kard
 

I have posted the first few lines >from a contract >from the 1820's
that includes the names of some of my family members. I am trying
to understand the relationship between them e.g. father - sons? I
think it is Polish and Gothic German, but am not sure. It is one
sentence long. Thank you for your help.

Viewmate: VM10091
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp

Karen Roekard
aka Gitl Chaye Eta Rosenfeld Roekart

roekard@lmi.net
or
roekard@santacruzhag.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia The Grave and Tombstone of Rabbi Isaac Charif of Sambor #galicia

Maly & Ofer Cohen
 

Our grandfather, Rabbi Isaac Charif (surname: Heiselbeck) was the
Rabbi (AB"D) of Sambor in the area of Lvov/Lemberg (at the time
Galicia, Poland; presently part of Western Ukraine), >from 1780
through 1813. He was buried there in the Jewish cemetery. There
are witnesses to the existence of his tombstone until the outbreak
of WW2. The following is an excerpt >from the Sambor Memorial Book
(1980):

"The old Jewish cemetery: In Sambor the old Jewish cemetery was
preserved >from the 1500's until the outbreak of WWII. Among others,
there was the grave of Rabbi Isaac Charif who died in 1813. Next to
his tombstone was one dated 1794 with the Polish eagle symbol on it.
It appears >from the Hebrew inscription to belong to a Moshe
Shmuelewitz who was an officer in the Polish Army..."

In a description of a visit to the cemetery >from 1974, written by
Jack Gardner (Sambor Memorial Book, pp. 235-237), he describes the
cemetery as being decrepit with overturned and broken tombstones.
from the pictures shown there, one can see part of the cemetery with
many tombstones in disrepair. >from the time of his visit, Jack
Gardner, who died a few years ago, tried for many years to restore
and maintain the cemetery. This included erecting a fence around it.

from the available current information, it seems that the cemetery
area is now a grassy fenced in field with no evidence of any
tombstones at all. It is likely that some of the fallen tombstones
are buried underneath the ground. The cemetery also includes a mass
grave of 1200 Jews murdered there in 1943. A number of years ago,
the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis erected some large crosses in middle of the
area. This information was publicized and mentioned in a report to
the American Congress.
www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/2004_Report.pdf

We are trying to gather general information about Sambor, and
specifically information relating to the cemetery before WWII in
order to:
1. find a picture of the grave and particularly the tombstone of
Rabbi Charif
2. determine the exact location of the gravesite in the field area
3. try to gather pictures of graves of the Heiselbeck family members
(descendents of Rabbi Charif's son).

We would be very grateful to you if you would be able to assist us
in the following manner:

a. Provide a list of people that are still alive who lived in Sambor
in the 1930's or who may have a connection to someone who may
remember the location of the gravesite.
b. Provide any pictures, lists, entries, documents relating to the
old Jewish cemetery in Sambor.
c. Any additional information that you think would be helpful in our
search.

Pre-war Sambor had approximately 6,000 Jews. In the years preceding
WWII there were many Sambor inhabitants that moved to various
locations in Europe, the United States and Israel. We would like to
believe that someone - somewhere, one of the Sambor families have a
photograph of the gravesite and tombstone of Rabbi Isaac Charif >from
before the war.

Please forward this request to anyone whom you think may be able to
assist us in any way possible.

Thanking you in advance,

Respectfully yours,

The SIH group (descendants of Rabbi Isaac Charif)
Please write to: Ofer Cohen, Jerusalem, omcohen@013.net.il


Re: Beheaded by Cossaks #galicia

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
 

Hello -

My in-laws emigrated >from Jitomir, Russia in 1919, and the family
were repeatedly told horror stories of the pogroms - beheadings,
Rabbis being buried alive, rapes.

When we lived together at the shore during the summers after my
marriage I was awakened many times by my dear Mother-in-law's
screams at night - almost ghost-like!

In the mornings she didn't remember her screams - but she always
relived her experiences and I've never forgotten her memories!

Sylvia
Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
President Emerita
JGSPBCI, FL
USA

David Birnbaum <David-b@orbotech.com> wrote...

My family, who came >from the Grimaylow area, were affected by the
famous pogrom in Proskurov - see
http://www.west.net/~jazz/felshtin/redcross.html

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please limit comments on these terrible events
to those that occurred in or affected Galician towns.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Beheaded by Cossaks #galicia

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
 

Hello -

My in-laws emigrated >from Jitomir, Russia in 1919, and the family
were repeatedly told horror stories of the pogroms - beheadings,
Rabbis being buried alive, rapes.

When we lived together at the shore during the summers after my
marriage I was awakened many times by my dear Mother-in-law's
screams at night - almost ghost-like!

In the mornings she didn't remember her screams - but she always
relived her experiences and I've never forgotten her memories!

Sylvia
Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
President Emerita
JGSPBCI, FL
USA

David Birnbaum <David-b@orbotech.com> wrote...

My family, who came >from the Grimaylow area, were affected by the
famous pogrom in Proskurov - see
http://www.west.net/~jazz/felshtin/redcross.html

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please limit comments on these terrible events
to those that occurred in or affected Galician towns.


Galicians in the Austro-Hungarian army #galicia

J.C.Keiner <j.c.keiner@...>
 

I tried some years ago to locate any records of both my
grandfathers, who served in the Austro-Hungarian army in WWI. One
grandfather, Yisroel Aharon Keiner, born in Tarnow, Galicia in 1875,
but living in Rzepiennik, near Gorlice, served in the Isonzo in the
huge Somme-like battles there. I was told by my father that he was
buried alive by enemy bombardment but still survived, one of 37
survivors of a regiment of over 800.The other grandfather, Avrohom
Jeruchim, born in Kanczuga in 1869, but living in Berlin, served in
Przemysl in an administrative capacity--my mother was born in 1918
and did not see him as a toddler till she was over 2 years old.

When I first tried to trace records of these grandfathers, a
military researcher specialising in WWI Jewish service was very
sceptical about the story of Yisroel Aharon, pointing out that a
man of over 40 would have been unlikely to have been in front line
service. However, I subsequently acquired a book by John R Schindler
called Isonzo: The Forgotten Sacrifice of the Great War. [URL of
commercial website deleted by Moderator.]

This details the lists of regiments which served in the war. It
also describes the last few of the 12 Isonzo battles, by which time
the Austro-Hungarian empire was in its last throes. He describes the
desperation which led to Galician and other recruits who included
virtually untrained men in their forties and others being drafted in,
plus bombardments which buried regiments alive. So, as always, my
father's stories turned out to be true.

I also wrote to the Kriegsarchiv Vienna, and was told that unless
either grandfather was killed, an officer or had won an individual
medal, there would be no records there. They also said that all the
Galician regiment records had been passed over to the Polish
authorities and that in most cases, the successor nations had
destroyed the records out of hostility to their former colonial
masters.

I think the only way to find out would be via local historians in
the Galician villages in question. As recently discussed on this
list, the hugely destructive flood of 1927 would have destroyed many
archives in any case. There must still be Polish descendants in
Rzepiennik and other places who know exactly which regiments their
grandfathers and fathers served in. Schindler's book enables one to
identify which of these served in the Isonzo. I am sure that
somewhere there would be a photo of the regiment with the men who
served in it. But which regiment and where?

Incidentally, Schindler shows what great care the A-H army took to
provide for the different religions in the army. He shows statuary
which includes Bosnian soldiers clearly wearing Islamic headgear.

My other grandfather, Avraham Jeruchim was sentimentally loyal to
his memories of the A-H army. His favourite tune was apparently the
Radetzky March, the signatory march of the A-H army. That would
hardly be the case if he had been treated anti-semitically or even
less than respectfully in the army, even as a man by then well into
his forties.

Judy Keiner
London, England

Seeking families: FROMMER, ZELLERKRAUT, EISNER, GREER (Kanczuga);
METH (Krakow, Rzeszow, Blazowa); GUTTMAN, RAAB, KISTER, FRIESNER
(Sudovaya Visniya); KEINER, TELLER, FUHRER, BIRNBAUM, DEMBITZER
(Tarnow, Rczepiennik)


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Galicians in the Austro-Hungarian army #galicia

J.C.Keiner <j.c.keiner@...>
 

I tried some years ago to locate any records of both my
grandfathers, who served in the Austro-Hungarian army in WWI. One
grandfather, Yisroel Aharon Keiner, born in Tarnow, Galicia in 1875,
but living in Rzepiennik, near Gorlice, served in the Isonzo in the
huge Somme-like battles there. I was told by my father that he was
buried alive by enemy bombardment but still survived, one of 37
survivors of a regiment of over 800.The other grandfather, Avrohom
Jeruchim, born in Kanczuga in 1869, but living in Berlin, served in
Przemysl in an administrative capacity--my mother was born in 1918
and did not see him as a toddler till she was over 2 years old.

When I first tried to trace records of these grandfathers, a
military researcher specialising in WWI Jewish service was very
sceptical about the story of Yisroel Aharon, pointing out that a
man of over 40 would have been unlikely to have been in front line
service. However, I subsequently acquired a book by John R Schindler
called Isonzo: The Forgotten Sacrifice of the Great War. [URL of
commercial website deleted by Moderator.]

This details the lists of regiments which served in the war. It
also describes the last few of the 12 Isonzo battles, by which time
the Austro-Hungarian empire was in its last throes. He describes the
desperation which led to Galician and other recruits who included
virtually untrained men in their forties and others being drafted in,
plus bombardments which buried regiments alive. So, as always, my
father's stories turned out to be true.

I also wrote to the Kriegsarchiv Vienna, and was told that unless
either grandfather was killed, an officer or had won an individual
medal, there would be no records there. They also said that all the
Galician regiment records had been passed over to the Polish
authorities and that in most cases, the successor nations had
destroyed the records out of hostility to their former colonial
masters.

I think the only way to find out would be via local historians in
the Galician villages in question. As recently discussed on this
list, the hugely destructive flood of 1927 would have destroyed many
archives in any case. There must still be Polish descendants in
Rzepiennik and other places who know exactly which regiments their
grandfathers and fathers served in. Schindler's book enables one to
identify which of these served in the Isonzo. I am sure that
somewhere there would be a photo of the regiment with the men who
served in it. But which regiment and where?

Incidentally, Schindler shows what great care the A-H army took to
provide for the different religions in the army. He shows statuary
which includes Bosnian soldiers clearly wearing Islamic headgear.

My other grandfather, Avraham Jeruchim was sentimentally loyal to
his memories of the A-H army. His favourite tune was apparently the
Radetzky March, the signatory march of the A-H army. That would
hardly be the case if he had been treated anti-semitically or even
less than respectfully in the army, even as a man by then well into
his forties.

Judy Keiner
London, England

Seeking families: FROMMER, ZELLERKRAUT, EISNER, GREER (Kanczuga);
METH (Krakow, Rzeszow, Blazowa); GUTTMAN, RAAB, KISTER, FRIESNER
(Sudovaya Visniya); KEINER, TELLER, FUHRER, BIRNBAUM, DEMBITZER
(Tarnow, Rczepiennik)


Gesher Galicia Website Update-IAJGS Conference #galicia

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

The Gesher Galicia website home page has just been updated with
details about all Galician programming at the IAJGS conference...
lectures, special events, films, luncheon, book orders and more.

Go to: http://www.geshergalicia.org

to see all-things-Galician scheduled for Salt Lake City in July at
a glance!

Pamela Weisberger
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) meeting at the IAJGS Conference in Salt Lake City #galicia

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

The Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) meeting at the Salt
Lake City IAJGS Conference is scheduled for :

- Day: Wednesday, July 18, 2007
- Time: 8:15 AM - 9:30 AM
- Room: Granite Conference Center

If you plan to attend please let me know so I can bring material
relevant to your research.

KRRG includes the following Administrative Districts:
Kolbuszowa - Lancut - Mielec - Nisko - Pilzno
Ropczyce - Rzeszow - Strzyzow - Tarnobrzeg

Over 200 shtetlach are included in KRRG. Here are some of the towns
in this region:

Blazowa, Debica, Kanczuga, Lancut, Lezajsk, Majdan, Mielec, Nisko,
Pilzno, Przeworsk, Ropczyce, Radomysl Wielki, Rzeszow, Rozwadow,
Rudnik, Sedziszow, Sokolow Mlp., Strzyzow, Tarnobrzeg, Tyczyn,
Ulanow and Zolynia

For a complete list of towns being researched by members of our
group, please write me or go to:
www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolbuszowa/shtetlachlist.html

Susana Leistner Bloch, Coordinator
Kolbuszowa Region Research Group
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolbuszowa/


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Gesher Galicia Website Update-IAJGS Conference #galicia

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

The Gesher Galicia website home page has just been updated with
details about all Galician programming at the IAJGS conference...
lectures, special events, films, luncheon, book orders and more.

Go to: http://www.geshergalicia.org

to see all-things-Galician scheduled for Salt Lake City in July at
a glance!

Pamela Weisberger
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) meeting at the IAJGS Conference in Salt Lake City #galicia

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

The Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) meeting at the Salt
Lake City IAJGS Conference is scheduled for :

- Day: Wednesday, July 18, 2007
- Time: 8:15 AM - 9:30 AM
- Room: Granite Conference Center

If you plan to attend please let me know so I can bring material
relevant to your research.

KRRG includes the following Administrative Districts:
Kolbuszowa - Lancut - Mielec - Nisko - Pilzno
Ropczyce - Rzeszow - Strzyzow - Tarnobrzeg

Over 200 shtetlach are included in KRRG. Here are some of the towns
in this region:

Blazowa, Debica, Kanczuga, Lancut, Lezajsk, Majdan, Mielec, Nisko,
Pilzno, Przeworsk, Ropczyce, Radomysl Wielki, Rzeszow, Rozwadow,
Rudnik, Sedziszow, Sokolow Mlp., Strzyzow, Tarnobrzeg, Tyczyn,
Ulanow and Zolynia

For a complete list of towns being researched by members of our
group, please write me or go to:
www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolbuszowa/shtetlachlist.html

Susana Leistner Bloch, Coordinator
Kolbuszowa Region Research Group
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolbuszowa/